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Post by vadarx on Feb 26, 2020 23:45:46 GMT -6
I heard from a St,Louis scout they never offered Robin a contract,and was never in their plans going forward, If that was the case then why the hell bring him here in case we needed another starting quality goaltender if Crow went down at any point in our playoff run this season. playoff team. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 27, 2020 9:01:57 GMT -6
I haven't spent much time defending Ol'Stanbo lately but maybe he did intend to re-sign Lehner when he acquired him but something changed his mind,the Isle didn't offer him a re-do either. He never seems to be happy anywhere and he's happy to say so to the press,I think the open book nature of his personality wears on management. There was no need to make the not taking a discount next time statement in an interview,that's something for negotiations not public comsumtion…..just say how happy you are here and will do anything to stay...….and then ask for the moon like everybody else!LOL!
It's not the Hawks fault if he sold himself short in the past and 5M might not be a discount......it might be the biggest contract he ever sees.
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 27, 2020 9:09:24 GMT -6
I heard from a St,Louis scout they never offered Robin a contract,and was never in their plans going forward, If that was the case then why the hell bring him here What plans? LOL!  |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 27, 2020 9:24:57 GMT -6
I heard from a St,Louis scout they never offered Robin a contract,and was never in their plans going forward, If that was the case then why the hell bring him here in case we needed another starting quality goaltender if Crow went down at any point in our playoff run this season. playoff team. I'm in the same line of thinking. Maybe SB, JC and mgmt believed at the beginning of the season that they assembled a play-off team and wanted a goalie insurance just in case CC goes down. But then, reality hits around TDL, they realize the team needs more than just a 5m back-up goalie for next season and they didn't want to lose Lehner for nothing.
They (the management) have to admit to themselves that this team, as it is, is not a play-offs team. So I would expect them to do "more" this offseason to improve the team. Last offseason, SB loaded on defense and bottom 6 Fs, probably because that's what they thought are needed.
5h1t! I'm rambling and lost my train of thought lol. I guess my point is, a big, BIG change has to happen. If not firing JC, then he has to adjust and change the way he's coaching. If not firing SB, he has to change his "vision" or his "plan" whatever that may be. Maybe a major player acquisition to help the top-6 F and/or top D pairing. Otherwise, next season is just going to be more of the same <- which I'm 90% sure will happen. The roster we see at TB's game tonight will be the same opening night next season (with minimal changes)
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Post by shooter61 on Feb 27, 2020 9:44:07 GMT -6
I heard from a St,Louis scout they never offered Robin a contract,and was never in their plans going forward, If that was the case then why the hell bring him here What plans? LOL! LOL YOU ARE SO RIGHT , just pisses me off that they wouldn't at least offer him a contract, |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 27, 2020 10:35:36 GMT -6
LOL YOU ARE SO RIGHT , just pisses me off that they wouldn't at least offer him a contract, Iv'e never heard of a GM or player say a contract was offered but turned down. Always negotiations are on going is all I have ever heard. Now one rumor was that they were OK on the dollar amount but Lehener wanted more years. Probably 6 years. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 27, 2020 10:53:16 GMT -6
in case we needed another starting quality goaltender if Crow went down at any point in our playoff run this season. playoff team. I'm in the same line of thinking. Maybe SB, JC and mgmt believed at the beginning of the season that they assembled a play-off team and wanted a goalie insurance just in case CC goes down. But then, reality hits around TDL, they realize the team needs more than just a 5m back-up goalie for next season and they didn't want to lose Lehner for nothing.
They (the management) have to admit to themselves that this team, as it is, is not a play-offs team. So I would expect them to do "more" this offseason to improve the team. Last offseason, SB loaded on defense and bottom 6 Fs, probably because that's what they thought are needed.
5h1t! I'm rambling and lost my train of thought lol. I guess my point is, a big, BIG change has to happen. If not firing JC, then he has to adjust and change the way he's coaching. If not firing SB, he has to change his "vision" or his "plan" whatever that may be. Maybe a major player acquisition to help the top-6 F and/or top D pairing. Otherwise, next season is just going to be more of the same <- which I'm 90% sure will happen. The roster we see at TB's game tonight will be the same opening night next season (with minimal changes)
I dunno if I have any faith what so ever in SB improving this team next summer squish. Last summer he acquired 21M worth of players,traded a 2nd and a 3rd,the team's best,young D-man and a starting center and THIS is the result? He'll have nowhere near that opportunity next summer. Some of those deals will actually handcuff the cap more than last year,Lehner's 5M is gone but D-Cat's 6.5M kicks in and Strome will get a raise to at least a few mil if kept and I hope he is because the team is woefully short of centers. God knows what it'll take to re-do Kubalik too. If Shaw and de Haan do end up on LTIR,the space only becomes available after the first game which handcuffs our resident genius even more. Two more years of Maata @4m and one more of Smith @3.5M do us no favors either. Maybe they bite the bullet with Seabs deal and retain $$$ or buy him out as many other teams have done if they see no value and that's if he's healthy......if not,he becomes another big chunk of cap space that isn't available until after game one if he's on LTIR. They probably have to move Saad too if they plan to acquire an impact player and that leave's a hole too but I might take the chance if it wasn't SB making the decision. I've also been told that FA's might no longer want to come here any longer,so there's that too. Stanbo will be handcuffed next summer and he should be in handcuffs for what he did last summer! |
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Post by shooter61 on Feb 27, 2020 11:11:15 GMT -6
LOL YOU ARE SO RIGHT , just pisses me off that they wouldn't at least offer him a contract, Iv'e never heard of a GM or player say a contract was offered but turned down. Always negotiations are on going is all I have ever heard. Now one rumor was that they were OK on the dollar amount but Lehener wanted more years. Probably 6 years. I heard from a St.louis scout , that we didn't offer him one |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 27, 2020 11:32:51 GMT -6
I'm in the same line of thinking. Maybe SB, JC and mgmt believed at the beginning of the season that they assembled a play-off team and wanted a goalie insurance just in case CC goes down. But then, reality hits around TDL, they realize the team needs more than just a 5m back-up goalie for next season and they didn't want to lose Lehner for nothing.
They (the management) have to admit to themselves that this team, as it is, is not a play-offs team. So I would expect them to do "more" this offseason to improve the team. Last offseason, SB loaded on defense and bottom 6 Fs, probably because that's what they thought are needed.
5h1t! I'm rambling and lost my train of thought lol. I guess my point is, a big, BIG change has to happen. If not firing JC, then he has to adjust and change the way he's coaching. If not firing SB, he has to change his "vision" or his "plan" whatever that may be. Maybe a major player acquisition to help the top-6 F and/or top D pairing. Otherwise, next season is just going to be more of the same <- which I'm 90% sure will happen. The roster we see at TB's game tonight will be the same opening night next season (with minimal changes)
I dunno if I have any faith what so ever in SB improving this team next summer squish. Last summer he acquired 21M worth of players,traded a 2nd and a 3rd,the team's best,young D-man and a starting center and THIS is the result? He'll have nowhere near that opportunity next summer. Some of those deals will actually handcuff the cap more than last year,Lehner's 5M is gone but D-Cat's 6.5M kicks in and Strome will get a raise to at least a few mil if kept and I hope he is because the team is woefully short of centers. God knows what it'll take to re-do Kubalik too. If Shaw and de Haan do end up on LTIR,the space only becomes available after the first game which handcuffs our resident genius even more. Two more years of Maata @4m and one more of Smith @3.5M do us no favors either. Maybe they bite the bullet with Seabs deal and retain $$$ or buy him out as many other teams have done if they see no value and that's if he's healthy......if not,he becomes another big chunk of cap space that isn't available until after game one if he's on LTIR. They probably have to move Saad too if they plan to acquire an impact player and that leave's a hole too but I might take the chance if it wasn't SB making the decision. I've also been told that FA's might no longer want to come here any longer,so there's that too. Stanbo will be handcuffed next summer and he should be in handcuffs for what he did last summer! yea, I have no faith either. I'm just trying to make sense and be optimist of the situation. I still have yet to see any hint or sign that SB's job is in jeopardy. So I'm trying to take in that he will still be at the helm leading this ship next season. 
at least replace the coach
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Post by jacksalmon on Feb 27, 2020 15:10:11 GMT -6
I haven't spent much time defending Ol'Stanbo lately but maybe he did intend to re-sign Lehner when he acquired him but something changed his mind,the Isle didn't offer him a re-do either. He never seems to be happy anywhere and he's happy to say so to the press,I think the open book nature of his personality wears on management. There was no need to make the not taking a discount next time statement in an interview,that's something for negotiations not public comsumtion…..just say how happy you are here and will do anything to stay...….and then ask for the moon like everybody else!LOL! It's not the Hawks fault if he sold himself short in the past and 5M might not be a discount......it might be the biggest contract he ever sees. Good point, Bob. That type of public comment tells other teams that the Hawks would be willing to give him away for any offer. As long as anyone is a member of his current team, he should keep his mouth shut about his intentions or the team's offers. As an "employee", he owes that to his "employer". |
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Post by jacksalmon on Feb 27, 2020 15:12:19 GMT -6
I'm in the same line of thinking. Maybe SB, JC and mgmt believed at the beginning of the season that they assembled a play-off team and wanted a goalie insurance just in case CC goes down. But then, reality hits around TDL, they realize the team needs more than just a 5m back-up goalie for next season and they didn't want to lose Lehner for nothing.
They (the management) have to admit to themselves that this team, as it is, is not a play-offs team. So I would expect them to do "more" this offseason to improve the team. Last offseason, SB loaded on defense and bottom 6 Fs, probably because that's what they thought are needed.
5h1t! I'm rambling and lost my train of thought lol. I guess my point is, a big, BIG change has to happen. If not firing JC, then he has to adjust and change the way he's coaching. If not firing SB, he has to change his "vision" or his "plan" whatever that may be. Maybe a major player acquisition to help the top-6 F and/or top D pairing. Otherwise, next season is just going to be more of the same <- which I'm 90% sure will happen. The roster we see at TB's game tonight will be the same opening night next season (with minimal changes)
I dunno if I have any faith what so ever in SB improving this team next summer squish. Last summer he acquired 21M worth of players,traded a 2nd and a 3rd,the team's best,young D-man and a starting center and THIS is the result? He'll have nowhere near that opportunity next summer. Some of those deals will actually handcuff the cap more than last year,Lehner's 5M is gone but D-Cat's 6.5M kicks in and Strome will get a raise to at least a few mil if kept and I hope he is because the team is woefully short of centers. God knows what it'll take to re-do Kubalik too. If Shaw and de Haan do end up on LTIR,the space only becomes available after the first game which handcuffs our resident genius even more. Two more years of Maata @4m and one more of Smith @3.5M do us no favors either. Maybe they bite the bullet with Seabs deal and retain $$$ or buy him out as many other teams have done if they see no value and that's if he's healthy......if not,he becomes another big chunk of cap space that isn't available until after game one if he's on LTIR. They probably have to move Saad too if they plan to acquire an impact player and that leave's a hole too but I might take the chance if it wasn't SB making the decision. I've also been told that FA's might no longer want to come here any longer,so there's that too. Stanbo will be handcuffed next summer and he should be in handcuffs for what he did last summer! As you know, I am already in pessimist territory, but your post pushed me to the point where I might never get back to the border. Not that your post wasn't accurate. It was and that is what so depressing. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 27, 2020 16:46:32 GMT -6
I haven't spent much time defending Ol'Stanbo lately but maybe he did intend to re-sign Lehner when he acquired him but something changed his mind,the Isle didn't offer him a re-do either. He never seems to be happy anywhere and he's happy to say so to the press,I think the open book nature of his personality wears on management. There was no need to make the not taking a discount next time statement in an interview,that's something for negotiations not public comsumtion…..just say how happy you are here and will do anything to stay...….and then ask for the moon like everybody else!LOL! It's not the Hawks fault if he sold himself short in the past and 5M might not be a discount......it might be the biggest contract he ever sees.
“I mean, I didn’t play much in the beginning or the middle-beginning of the season, even if I played really well and had a good camp. Eventually I took over, and I think I won like nine out of 10, 12 out of 15, and we walked up one point behind a playoff spot. Then all of a sudden I found myself on the bench for no reason. That was tough. Plus, negotiations had totally died out.”
“I thought there was a future there, and I did everything to get a future there, and I still couldn’t get a future there. In the end, the last couple weeks were tough mentally to kind of find a motivation needed.”
When asked if he hopes to have a future with the Knights beyond this season, Lehner said: “I don’t hope anymore. We’ll see what happens this summer.”
Since Jan. 1, Lehner is 4-4-1 with a 3.58 GAA and .897 save percentage.www.reviewjournal.com/sports/goldenknights/robin-lehner-rips-blackhawks-says-he-didnt-get-fair-chance-1967601/i think you said it pretty well bobby boy. i doubt he really thinks like this, but it's almost as he saw crawford as the definite backup goalie, that he had the #1 spot all sewed up when he inked his contract. he got us within a sniff of a p/o spot, then basically shat the bed the rest of the way. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 28, 2020 7:47:40 GMT -6
I haven't spent much time defending Ol'Stanbo lately but maybe he did intend to re-sign Lehner when he acquired him but something changed his mind,the Isle didn't offer him a re-do either. He never seems to be happy anywhere and he's happy to say so to the press,I think the open book nature of his personality wears on management. There was no need to make the not taking a discount next time statement in an interview,that's something for negotiations not public comsumtion…..just say how happy you are here and will do anything to stay...….and then ask for the moon like everybody else!LOL! It's not the Hawks fault if he sold himself short in the past and 5M might not be a discount......it might be the biggest contract he ever sees.
“I mean, I didn’t play much in the beginning or the middle-beginning of the season, even if I played really well and had a good camp. Eventually I took over, and I think I won like nine out of 10, 12 out of 15, and we walked up one point behind a playoff spot. Then all of a sudden I found myself on the bench for no reason. That was tough. Plus, negotiations had totally died out.”
“I thought there was a future there, and I did everything to get a future there, and I still couldn’t get a future there. In the end, the last couple weeks were tough mentally to kind of find a motivation needed.”
When asked if he hopes to have a future with the Knights beyond this season, Lehner said: “I don’t hope anymore. We’ll see what happens this summer.”
Since Jan. 1, Lehner is 4-4-1 with a 3.58 GAA and .897 save percentage.www.reviewjournal.com/sports/goldenknights/robin-lehner-rips-blackhawks-says-he-didnt-get-fair-chance-1967601/i think you said it pretty well bobby boy. i doubt he really thinks like this, but it's almost as he saw crawford as the definite backup goalie, that he had the #1 spot all sewed up when he inked his contract. he got us within a sniff of a p/o spot, then basically shat the bed the rest of the way. He gets to watch MAF pitch a shutout against the Oil first game after the trade,it's not like things work out for the guy to be honest!LOL! That's actually the second interview since the trade(is he doing a daily bitch fest?),the first one said he never received an offer and this one said negotiations had "died out" which suggests their were negotiations at some point so saying he never received an offer might be wrong. He saw his fair share of games and saw more than CC before his game went south and he started throwing rebounds around like crazy. He was promised a fair chance to play and he got one. "I didn't play much in the beginning or the middle-beginning of the season"? If I recall there was a rotation that included him and one GT would only play consecutive games if they won and played well which he did a number of times. I believe Lehner had more starts than CC when he left. "I found myself on the bench for no reason"......he found himself on the bench because he was playing poorly. I remember an interview early on(he does his share of em) where he mentioned how he was good with sharing the net with CC and how they supported each other but now he was mis-treated...…..seems to be a pattern with him. "I don't hope any more",this is a dark dude. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 28, 2020 7:54:55 GMT -6
I dunno if I have any faith what so ever in SB improving this team next summer squish. Last summer he acquired 21M worth of players,traded a 2nd and a 3rd,the team's best,young D-man and a starting center and THIS is the result? He'll have nowhere near that opportunity next summer. Some of those deals will actually handcuff the cap more than last year,Lehner's 5M is gone but D-Cat's 6.5M kicks in and Strome will get a raise to at least a few mil if kept and I hope he is because the team is woefully short of centers. God knows what it'll take to re-do Kubalik too. If Shaw and de Haan do end up on LTIR,the space only becomes available after the first game which handcuffs our resident genius even more. Two more years of Maata @4m and one more of Smith @3.5M do us no favors either. Maybe they bite the bullet with Seabs deal and retain $$$ or buy him out as many other teams have done if they see no value and that's if he's healthy......if not,he becomes another big chunk of cap space that isn't available until after game one if he's on LTIR. They probably have to move Saad too if they plan to acquire an impact player and that leave's a hole too but I might take the chance if it wasn't SB making the decision. I've also been told that FA's might no longer want to come here any longer,so there's that too. Stanbo will be handcuffed next summer and he should be in handcuffs for what he did last summer! As you know, I am already in pessimist territory, but your post pushed me to the point where I might never get back to the border. Not that your post wasn't accurate. It was and that is what so depressing. You don't need any help from me when it comes to pessimism my friend and yes, I do have a problem finding any optimism while the guy who put us here is still in charge. |
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Post by shooter61 on Feb 28, 2020 8:42:33 GMT -6
I can see us going on a roll now that the play off are a pipe dream , and finish a couple points out ,
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Post by hsbob on Feb 28, 2020 9:15:32 GMT -6
I can see us going on a roll now that the play off are a pipe dream , and finish a couple points out , Otherwise known as 'no man's land' |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 25, 2020 8:33:10 GMT -6
I hope so too, but I'm kinda afraid of who his "own guys" will be.
I hear that. The good news is that in hockey executives and coaches usually don’t go into their last year of a contract without a new one. I think Stan was given till the end of his deal to turn things around. It isn’t even close. So I think we may even see a move before the draft if the Hawks do end up playing this thing and get launched early. I would have to think there’s a contingency plan in place. If Stan is re-signed. We have major structural issues within the walls of the Hawks org!!! I know the 1st phase of the lottery is Friday night but I'm still not sure when the actual draft happens. I've read a few articles about how the current FO and scouting staff have already done the work and will get a chance to make the picks. If this happens,SB will also make the offseason decisions. I hope you're right about SB because I've had my fill but I just don't know any more. Do the next five games decide the direction of the team for the next decade? IMO,if SB was gonna go,he woulda went with McD. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 25, 2020 9:01:23 GMT -6
I hear that. The good news is that in hockey executives and coaches usually don’t go into their last year of a contract without a new one. I think Stan was given till the end of his deal to turn things around. It isn’t even close. So I think we may even see a move before the draft if the Hawks do end up playing this thing and get launched early. I would have to think there’s a contingency plan in place. If Stan is re-signed. We have major structural issues within the walls of the Hawks org!!! I know the 1st phase of the lottery is Friday night but I'm still not sure when the actual draft happens. I've read a few articles about how the current FO and scouting staff have already done the work and will get a chance to make the picks. If this happens,SB will also make the offseason decisions. I hope you're right about SB because I've had my fill but I just don't know any more. Do the next five games decide the direction of the team for the next decade? IMO,if SB was gonna go,he woulda went with McD. If they had a new direction with Stan, he’d have a contract extension by now. This is his last kick at this to win a Cup. Due to his previous moves, Stan is 100% chasing the dream. He feels this team can win with his tutelage. He’s sold the upper brass on his plan. But now his time is limited. Remember last year or last summer I believe when Stan reportedly had a contract extension? I believe McD wanted to give it to him and Rocky was reluctant. Again, if Stan was safe beyond this next year, they’d show it to him. It’s very convenient that Stan and JC both have their contracts expire at the same time. So I’d have to think Stan has very little input on this draft, and I doubt he had much last year. I think the scouting staff will be the catalyst for the draft!!! |
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Post by shooter61 on Jun 25, 2020 9:16:48 GMT -6
I don't have a problem with that Kelly has done a great job drafting players, till Stan trades them for quick fixes,
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Post by BigT on Jun 25, 2020 12:42:04 GMT -6
I don't have a problem with that Kelly has done a great job drafting players, till Stan trades them for quick fixes, I believe Stan had an agenda to draft smaller players and a lot of Americans or players from the American system. There’s a lot of good players there, but you can’t just draft like that. I think last years draft was more on the scouting staff. They went bigger to make up for lost time. Not one scouting agency had Dach at 3. So I think they were making a statement. And they’ll do the same this year!!! |
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Post by nighbor on Jun 26, 2020 2:23:14 GMT -6
I don't have a problem with that Kelly has done a great job drafting players, till Stan trades them for quick fixes, I believe Stan had an agenda to draft smaller players and a lot of Americans or players from the American system. There’s a lot of good players there, but you can’t just draft like that. I think last years draft was more on the scouting staff. They went bigger to make up for lost time. Not one scouting agency had Dach at 3. So I think they were making a statement. And they’ll do the same this year!!! Team success had guaranteed that Stan had late round picks. He also had to supply Q with players he needed to win championships by sacrificing picks and prospects. Even you do not believe there are thirty big fast strong skilled players available every draft. As the big highly skilled players are taken it is necessary to witch to the best player available who just happens to be smaller. Q's high tempo game plan did not require big lumbering players but rather it required quick mobile movers and shakers. Do not get tangled up, pounce on loose puck and move it as quickly as possible was his mantra. Keep the pressure on. Stan's agenda was to get the best players available regardless of size. Stan no longer playing second fiddle to Q and in a better draft position has bigger players to choose from and now with better draft positioning you want to deprive Stan of his due by giving credit to others. A big problem has been that Tallon was placed on a pedestal based on the drafting of two no brainers Toews and Kane. You are overlooking two of has epic fails Jack Skille at 7th (2005) and Kyle Beach at 11th (2008). Why has super GM Tallon in ten years not built a championship team in Florida. Even now with top coach Q they are no better than the Maple Leafs. To the fact no scouting agency had Dach at 3 is shame on them. Stan needed help now especially he needed a big talented strong center and Dach fit the bill. Stan is still GM and he will be the one who makes the drafting decisions based on the information made available by those in his scouting department.
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Post by Tater on Jun 26, 2020 2:36:03 GMT -6
Team success had guaranteed that Stan had late round picks. He also had to supply Q with players he needed to win championships by sacrificing picks and prospects. Even you do not believe there are thirty big fast strong skilled players available every draft. As the big highly skilled players are taken it is necessary to witch to the best player available who just happens to be smaller. Q's high tempo game plan did not require big lumbering players but rather it required quick mobile movers and shakers. Do not get tangled up, pounce on loose puck and move it as quickly as possible was his mantra. Keep the pressure on. Stan's agenda was to get the best players available regardless of size. Stan no longer playing second fiddle to Q and in a better draft position has bigger players to choose from and now with better draft positioning you want to deprive Stan of his due by giving credit to others. A big problem has been that Tallon was placed on a pedestal based on the drafting of two no brainers Toews and Kane. You are overlooking two of has epic fails Jack Skille at 7th (2005) and Kyle Beach at 11th (2008). Why has super GM Tallon in ten years not built a championship team in Florida. Even now with top coach Q they are no better than the Maple Leafs. To the fact no scouting agency had Dach at 3 is shame on them. Stan needed help now especially he needed a big talented strong center and Dach fit the bill. Stan is still GM and he will be the one who makes the drafting decisions based on the information made available by those in his scouting department.
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Post by hsbob on Jun 26, 2020 6:54:13 GMT -6
I like Dach but when did the Hawks become the NHL 'draft kings' for F's sake? Dach looks good for his age but eight goals leaves me wanting and 33% at the dot suggests we might have a young winger on our hands. He looks very promising for his age and size but much development is necessary. What do we got other than three grossly undersized,unproven D prospects. Q and McD are getting credit for every worthless SB pick these days and the only good Blackhawk hockey I've seen in years is in re-run.....great coach and great superstar players brought us three cups!
Name one forward at Rockford who can come in and help...…….I give you Dylan Sikura!LOL!
Chicago better lose the family affair bullshit and get some hockey people in here!
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Post by hsbob on Jun 26, 2020 6:55:04 GMT -6
I like Dach but when did the Hawks become the NHL 'draft kings' for F's sake? Dach looks good for his age but eight goals leaves me wanting and 33% at the dot suggests we might have a young winger on our hands. He looks very promising for his age and size but much development is necessary. What else we got other than three grossly undersized,unproven D prospects. Q and McD are getting credit for every worthless SB pick these days and the only good Blackhawk hockey I've seen in years is in re-run.....great coach and great superstar player brought us three cups! Name one forward at Rockford who can come in and help...…….I give you Dylan Sikura!LOL! Chicago better lose the family affair bullshit and get some hockey people in here! Tried to edit but I quoted the bastard instead. Anyways,Q's been gone for two years and we're still in last place.....NO? |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 26, 2020 8:04:00 GMT -6
I believe Stan had an agenda to draft smaller players and a lot of Americans or players from the American system. There’s a lot of good players there, but you can’t just draft like that. I think last years draft was more on the scouting staff. They went bigger to make up for lost time. Not one scouting agency had Dach at 3. So I think they were making a statement. And they’ll do the same this year!!! Team success had guaranteed that Stan had late round picks. He also had to supply Q with players he needed to win championships by sacrificing picks and prospects. Even you do not believe there are thirty big fast strong skilled players available every draft. As the big highly skilled players are taken it is necessary to witch to the best player available who just happens to be smaller. Q's high tempo game plan did not require big lumbering players but rather it required quick mobile movers and shakers. Do not get tangled up, pounce on loose puck and move it as quickly as possible was his mantra. Keep the pressure on. Stan's agenda was to get the best players available regardless of size. Stan no longer playing second fiddle to Q and in a better draft position has bigger players to choose from and now with better draft positioning you want to deprive Stan of his due by giving credit to others. A big problem has been that Tallon was placed on a pedestal based on the drafting of two no brainers Toews and Kane. You are overlooking two of has epic fails Jack Skille at 7th (2005) and Kyle Beach at 11th (2008). Why has super GM Tallon in ten years not built a championship team in Florida. Even now with top coach Q they are no better than the Maple Leafs. To the fact no scouting agency had Dach at 3 is shame on them. Stan needed help now especially he needed a big talented strong center and Dach fit the bill. Stan is still GM and he will be the one who makes the drafting decisions based on the information made available by those in his scouting department.
Ehhh...I'm with Bob on this. Dach really didn't fit the bill of what was needed. I don't hate the kid--he certainly isn't the bust that Barker was, but he also wasn't the "help now" that Toews was--granted, Toews also had an additional year of development between draft and debut. If Dach fit the bill he would have definitively wrested the #2C position from Strome. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 26, 2020 8:21:24 GMT -6
Team success had guaranteed that Stan had late round picks. He also had to supply Q with players he needed to win championships by sacrificing picks and prospects. Even you do not believe there are thirty big fast strong skilled players available every draft. As the big highly skilled players are taken it is necessary to witch to the best player available who just happens to be smaller. Q's high tempo game plan did not require big lumbering players but rather it required quick mobile movers and shakers. Do not get tangled up, pounce on loose puck and move it as quickly as possible was his mantra. Keep the pressure on. Stan's agenda was to get the best players available regardless of size. Stan no longer playing second fiddle to Q and in a better draft position has bigger players to choose from and now with better draft positioning you want to deprive Stan of his due by giving credit to others. A big problem has been that Tallon was placed on a pedestal based on the drafting of two no brainers Toews and Kane. You are overlooking two of has epic fails Jack Skille at 7th (2005) and Kyle Beach at 11th (2008). Why has super GM Tallon in ten years not built a championship team in Florida. Even now with top coach Q they are no better than the Maple Leafs. To the fact no scouting agency had Dach at 3 is shame on them. Stan needed help now especially he needed a big talented strong center and Dach fit the bill. Stan is still GM and he will be the one who makes the drafting decisions based on the information made available by those in his scouting department.
Ehhh...I'm with Bob on this. Dach really didn't fit the bill of what was needed. I don't hate the kid--he certainly isn't the bust that Barker was, but he also wasn't the "help now" that Toews was--granted, Toews also had an additional year of development between draft and debut. If Dach fit the bill he would have definitively wrested the #2C position from Strome. I'm not saying the kid doesn't have huge potential and the size to withstand the league,his hockey IQ seems good too. We have to keep in mind that he made the league @18 but I do believe he woulda been more ready with another year in minors but maybe not. Kirby Dach might turn out to be an outstanding pick but that's still to be determined IMO. Interesting you mention Strome because I believe SB is hellbent on moving him which leaves a massive load on an aging Toews and big duties for a 19yro center who may not be ready for that yet. I'm still not sure what soured JC on Strome after less than a game in but separating Strome and D-Cat has definitely soured me on JC! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 8:28:08 GMT -6
I believe Stan had an agenda to draft smaller players and a lot of Americans or players from the American system. There’s a lot of good players there, but you can’t just draft like that. I think last years draft was more on the scouting staff. They went bigger to make up for lost time. Not one scouting agency had Dach at 3. So I think they were making a statement. And they’ll do the same this year!!! Team success had guaranteed that Stan had late round picks. He also had to supply Q with players he needed to win championships by sacrificing picks and prospects. Even you do not believe there are thirty big fast strong skilled players available every draft. As the big highly skilled players are taken it is necessary to witch to the best player available who just happens to be smaller. Q's high tempo game plan did not require big lumbering players but rather it required quick mobile movers and shakers. Do not get tangled up, pounce on loose puck and move it as quickly as possible was his mantra. Keep the pressure on. Stan's agenda was to get the best players available regardless of size. Stan no longer playing second fiddle to Q and in a better draft position has bigger players to choose from and now with better draft positioning you want to deprive Stan of his due by giving credit to others. A big problem has been that Tallon was placed on a pedestal based on the drafting of two no brainers Toews and Kane. You are overlooking two of has epic fails Jack Skille at 7th (2005) and Kyle Beach at 11th (2008). Why has super GM Tallon in ten years not built a championship team in Florida. Even now with top coach Q they are no better than the Maple Leafs. To the fact no scouting agency had Dach at 3 is shame on them. Stan needed help now especially he needed a big talented strong center and Dach fit the bill. Stan is still GM and he will be the one who makes the drafting decisions based on the information made available by those in his scouting department.
In 2015/16 season Dale Tallon built the Florida Panthers into a division winning, 103 point team. Then the Panthers made the mistake of relieving him of his duties, replacing him with Tom Rowe, who went on to knock the Panthers back several years, firing Gerard Gallant and setting the team in disarray. The Panthers realized their mistake and reinstated Tallon and he has been slowly trying to correct the issues that Rowe made, but it's not something that can be corrected in a season. And Q is in just his first year with the Panthers, so implementing a new system takes time as well. There is a lot of talent on the Panthers and I believe they are moving in the right direction.
As for your statements on Bowman, he inherited a powerhouse and lived on the work done by Mike Smith and Dale Tallon. He did nothing more then tweak the core. He got little to nothing back in return for his trades over the years, and he's done absolutely NOTHING to resolve the cap hell Tallon was supposed to have put the Hawks in. In fact, as Bob has stated frequently, even this past off season when he finally had money to spend, he squandered it on crap! And the year before, he spent it on the likes of crap! He's proven time and time again he doesn't have a clue, and as the core ages and/or retires, his flaws become more and more glaring. He's never been a good GM, and he's not even a good bean counter, which was supposed to be his forte! He never belonged in the position, he should have been fired before Q, or at the very least, with Q.
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 26, 2020 9:11:07 GMT -6
Ehhh...I'm with Bob on this. Dach really didn't fit the bill of what was needed. I don't hate the kid--he certainly isn't the bust that Barker was, but he also wasn't the "help now" that Toews was--granted, Toews also had an additional year of development between draft and debut. If Dach fit the bill he would have definitively wrested the #2C position from Strome. I'm not saying the kid doesn't have huge potential and the size to withstand the league,his hockey IQ seems good too. We have to keep in mind that he made the league @18 but I do believe he woulda been more ready with another year in minors but maybe not. Kirby Dach might turn out to be an outstanding pick but that's still to be determined IMO. Interesting you mention Strome because I believe SB is hellbent on moving him which leaves a massive load on an aging Toews and big duties for a 19yro center who may not be ready for that yet. I'm still not sure what soured JC on Strome after less than a game in but separating Strome and D-Cat has definitely soured me on JC! I agree. Kid does have potential but it's kinda early in his development. If he had that extra year like Toews did--who knows? Maybe he would have torn it up and did the equivalent of embarrassing the entire Avs team. Not every kid can come in and tear it up at 18 like Kane did--especially in positions like Center, Defense, and Goalie. I think going into this year there was a lot of expectations on Dach's shoulders and Dach did reasonably well for an 18 year old center, but plugging the holes down the middle (which would have "fit the bill") was not something Dach did--nor should he have ever been tasked to do so. That's on Stan and JC. |
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Post by shooter 61 on Jun 26, 2020 9:57:25 GMT -6
I believe Stan had an agenda to draft smaller players and a lot of Americans or players from the American system. There’s a lot of good players there, but you can’t just draft like that. I think last years draft was more on the scouting staff. They went bigger to make up for lost time. Not one scouting agency had Dach at 3. So I think they were making a statement. And they’ll do the same this year!!! Team success had guaranteed that Stan had late round picks. He also had to supply Q with players he needed to win championships by sacrificing picks and prospects. Even you do not believe there are thirty big fast strong skilled players available every draft. As the big highly skilled players are taken it is necessary to witch to the best player available who just happens to be smaller. Q's high tempo game plan did not require big lumbering players but rather it required quick mobile movers and shakers. Do not get tangled up, pounce on loose puck and move it as quickly as possible was his mantra. Keep the pressure on. Stan's agenda was to get the best players available regardless of size. Stan no longer playing second fiddle to Q and in a better draft position has bigger players to choose from and now with better draft positioning you want to deprive Stan of his due by giving credit to others. A big problem has been that Tallon was placed on a pedestal based on the drafting of two no brainers Toews and Kane. You are overlooking two of has epic fails Jack Skille at 7th (2005) and Kyle Beach at 11th (2008). Why has super GM Tallon in ten years not built a championship team in Florida. Even now with top coach Q they are no better than the Maple Leafs. To the fact no scouting agency had Dach at 3 is shame on them. Stan needed help now especially he needed a big talented strong center and Dach fit the bill. Stan is still GM and he will be the one who makes the drafting decisions based on the information made available by those in his scouting department.
I don't agree I see that we took the best players , and it shows by their stats, whether they be US collage , or major jr, It just happens that some are smaller than others , go back to the drafts, who would you have taken other than what the hawks drafted, |
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Post by BigT on Jun 26, 2020 16:24:41 GMT -6
I believe Stan had an agenda to draft smaller players and a lot of Americans or players from the American system. There’s a lot of good players there, but you can’t just draft like that. I think last years draft was more on the scouting staff. They went bigger to make up for lost time. Not one scouting agency had Dach at 3. So I think they were making a statement. And they’ll do the same this year!!! Team success had guaranteed that Stan had late round picks. He also had to supply Q with players he needed to win championships by sacrificing picks and prospects. Even you do not believe there are thirty big fast strong skilled players available every draft. As the big highly skilled players are taken it is necessary to witch to the best player available who just happens to be smaller. Q's high tempo game plan did not require big lumbering players but rather it required quick mobile movers and shakers. Do not get tangled up, pounce on loose puck and move it as quickly as possible was his mantra. Keep the pressure on. Stan's agenda was to get the best players available regardless of size. Stan no longer playing second fiddle to Q and in a better draft position has bigger players to choose from and now with better draft positioning you want to deprive Stan of his due by giving credit to others. A big problem has been that Tallon was placed on a pedestal based on the drafting of two no brainers Toews and Kane. You are overlooking two of has epic fails Jack Skille at 7th (2005) and Kyle Beach at 11th (2008). Why has super GM Tallon in ten years not built a championship team in Florida. Even now with top coach Q they are no better than the Maple Leafs. To the fact no scouting agency had Dach at 3 is shame on them. Stan needed help now especially he needed a big talented strong center and Dach fit the bill. Stan is still GM and he will be the one who makes the drafting decisions based on the information made available by those in his scouting department.
I don’t know. Everything you say sounds great to Stan Bowman. I’d bet he’d say “EXACTLY, RIGHT?” Truth of the matter is, Stan Bowman has had more picks than you care to mention. He’s traded a lot of guys away for picks and prospects and he’s failed for a decade. At some point you have to concede to the fact that he just doesn’t land many, and he definitely doesn’t develop any decent players. The farm has been a disaster ever since he plucked the last few of his predecessors picks. At some point every GM has their own guys. It’s just the way she goes. Stan’s guys pretty much are a step or two lower than what we had. Even Pitt developed quite a few picks over the last 5-7 years. Stan Bowman? Not much. And before anyone says you need high picks to get good players is not paying attention. Yes the best come out of the top. But I’ve seen Dcat come out of a second round. I’ve seen Teravainen middle first round. But he either trades them or ruins them, like he is with Dcat. And yes, this year is proof positive that Dcat will be ruined if they keep pulling the stunts they did this past year. He’ll be requesting a trade soon if he keeps being played with 3/4 liners. He did what Q said and they won because of it. Then he started to flex some muscle he didn’t have and he thought he could trade away top players for next tier players and it crushed the team. He wanted his own team, so he got rid of the guy that was mainly in charge.... Q. Ever since Q was sacked, the team has been horrible to double horrible to triple horrible. Blaming it on draft position is nothing more than excuses. Stan has had a #8 pick and a #3. The team hasn’t gotten better. It’s gotten worse. He also had the luxury of picking early in the 2nd round now too. So the picks have been there, the money was there the past 2 summers, and now he’s out of excuses and so are his loyalists. It’s just time to shed the Bowman skin and start fresh. GMs rarely last as long as he does. I guess any of his fans can wear that as a badge. And I say take it and run. I warned everyone this would happen!!! |
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