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Post by BigT on Nov 7, 2019 7:07:40 GMT -6
I’m hearing a lot of rumblings right now. It’s starting to sound like Colliton may be let go. It is starting to sound like Stan may stay. My best guess right now is that Stan and McD are very tight, and it will take McD to retire to get rid of the Bowman’s. I did read an interview with McCub last season and he said he definitely won’t be working when he’s 70. He’s 66 now. Hopefully on his 67th bday next May he’ll retire and Stan will be gone too. Anyways, it’s really starting to sound like Colliton will be gone by Yanksgiving if he doesn’t turn it around. The only way I see this happening is if he lets the run and gun!!! So Rocky has no say in this? McDonut is the captain of the ship? When is the owner gonna grow a nut sack and clean house? It’s looking more and more like Rocky was simply at the right place at the right time just like SB was. What else has he done besides putting the home games back on tv? Oh yeah, he endorsed the firing of the GM who helped build the Cup teams in order to appease Scotty and give his son the job. And he also endorsed the firing of one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. And he has raised ticket prices a significant amount over the last decade. Pathetic. The apple usually doesn’t fall far from the tree. My disdain for this franchise hasn’t been this high since the 1990’s - mid 2000’s. Rocky lets the president of hockey opps make that decision. I’m quite positive that Rocky is in on it. Due to all the reasons you bring up Phil, I think they’re gonna fire Colliton real soon, and Stan will make it sound like they’re in good hands with Crawford etc. Spin the PR machine and for some reason people believe him....... again. I think now from the info that I hear, Stan lasts the year. Hopefully all I heard is wrong, and Stan is let go. I’m honestly willing to give JC a shot without Stan around. I feel Stan is forcing his will on him so he can see his team. This rarely ever works, and I feel if Stan was fired, JC could totally do what he wanted and die on that hill. If it’s more of the same, then he gone!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 7, 2019 7:41:37 GMT -6
Isn't it exciting the Yotes are moving to the Central in 2021/2022?
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Post by hsbob on Nov 7, 2019 8:54:41 GMT -6
The house needs to be cleaned from top to bottom with what has gone on here the last few years. And it isn’t just the player personal decisions. The decision to bring in JC to replace Q in hindsight looks like it was made by a bunch of 4th graders. And not just because JC isn’t an NHL coach, but also because Q clearly still is. Error in judgement on both sides of the equation and not even in the ballpark of being close to correct on either side. Simply pathetic. i'm not going to question bowman's decision to hire JC because at the time i was all for it. i had a really good feeling about it at the time. young coach, success wherever he's coached, new fresh direction/ideas...etc. it appears i was wrong. last season we had a really long stretch of good hockey after a really long stretch of bad. for the life of me idk why he doesn't just say **** it and take another stab at the old run and gun. at least try and save his job. The young coach was mis-handled and possibly set up by the FO to some extent IMO gt. JC’s career was off to a good start in Europe and Rockford,another year or two working with the kids and one or two as an assistant gives him the experience and the cred........the cred’s still important. When Q was let go the FO continued to say this is a PO team putting tons of pressure on an inexperienced HC and that situation woulda been a tough one for any coach. As far as the present,I’d go back to an offense style too because in theory Maatta and de Haan should improve things in their end and the combo of Lehner and a hungry,rested CC to spell him should be a big improvement over those areas from last year. I’d be more patient if the defensive scheme was leading to solid hockey in our own end but all’s it’s done so far is completely stifle the offense while still allowing 50 SOG’s against. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 7, 2019 9:48:18 GMT -6
i'm not going to question bowman's decision to hire JC because at the time i was all for it. i had a really good feeling about it at the time. young coach, success wherever he's coached, new fresh direction/ideas...etc. it appears i was wrong. last season we had a really long stretch of good hockey after a really long stretch of bad. for the life of me idk why he doesn't just say **** it and take another stab at the old run and gun. at least try and save his job. The young coach was mis-handled and possibly set up by the FO to some extent IMO gt. JC’s career was off to a good start in Europe and Rockford,another year or two working with the kids and one or two as an assistant gives him the experience and the cred........the cred’s still important. When Q was let go the FO continued to say this is a PO team putting tons of pressure on an inexperienced HC and that situation woulda been a tough one for any coach. As far as the present,I’d go back to an offense style too because in theory Maatta and de Haan should improve things in their end and the combo of Lehner and a hungry,rested CC to spell him should be a big improvement over those areas from last year. I’d be more patient if the defensive scheme was leading to solid hockey in our own end but all’s it’s done so far is completely stifle the offense while still allowing 50 SOG’s against. That really has been what I had been saying about JC. IMO he was hired to replace Q in 3-5 years. I was under the opinion he was going to work with Q as the direction of the team system. Then he could have retired in a few years afterward and become kind of a mentor to JC at that point. Now this has failed due to whatever the rift between Q and SB was/is and JC gets caught up in it. This has become the Pulford syndrome, SB thinks he's coaching the team. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 7, 2019 10:42:52 GMT -6
The young coach was mis-handled and possibly set up by the FO to some extent IMO gt. JC’s career was off to a good start in Europe and Rockford,another year or two working with the kids and one or two as an assistant gives him the experience and the cred........the cred’s still important. When Q was let go the FO continued to say this is a PO team putting tons of pressure on an inexperienced HC and that situation woulda been a tough one for any coach. As far as the present,I’d go back to an offense style too because in theory Maatta and de Haan should improve things in their end and the combo of Lehner and a hungry,rested CC to spell him should be a big improvement over those areas from last year. I’d be more patient if the defensive scheme was leading to solid hockey in our own end but all’s it’s done so far is completely stifle the offense while still allowing 50 SOG’s against. That really has been what I had been saying about JC. IMO he was hired to replace Q in 3-5 years. I was under the opinion he was going to work with Q as the direction of the team system. Then he could have retired in a few years afterward and become kind of a mentor to JC at that point. Now this has failed due to whatever the rift between Q and SB was/is and JC gets caught up in it. This has become the Pulford syndrome, SB thinks he's coaching the team. We can disagree about how much blame falls at JC’s feet but we do agree that he was put into a tough situation,SB has a ready made fall guy this way......doesn’t he? |
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Post by BigT on Nov 7, 2019 10:55:14 GMT -6
I agree Bob. My only defense of JC ( and I’m not quick at all to defend him) is that he’s literally a puppet. You can see his blank and frustrated stare, he seems to say the wrong things, probably because it wasn’t his decision. I think Stan is now in full control. He doesn’t want a coach like Q or even Crawford to tell him he doesn’t know anything and to do it this way. Stans been doing it solely his way since he’s traded Panera and Hammer. And the team couldn’t be worse since. I warned people that Stan had no clue what to do. I wouldn’t be surprised if any of the good moves that have happened were due to the other people around him advising him. He’s just not a hockey guy, and it’s showing.
My guess is the core group was revolting against Stan and not Q or JC. It’s quite evident that Stan has screwed over the core group here. The contracts, the trading of other core guys, the mismanagement and now just making moves to make them. He’s the worlds biggest fraud and he’s been exposed to the max now. This has to end. I would like to see if JC actually has any good ideas? I still don’t buy that he’s this bad, this reeks of Bowman(s)!!!
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Post by hsbob on Nov 7, 2019 11:11:24 GMT -6
I agree Bob. My only defense of JC ( and I’m not quick at all to defend him) is that he’s literally a puppet. You can see his blank and frustrated stare, he seems to say the wrong things, probably because it wasn’t his decision. I think Stan is now in full control. He doesn’t want a coach like Q or even Crawford to tell him he doesn’t know anything and to do it this way. Stans been doing it solely his way since he’s traded Panera and Hammer. And the team couldn’t be worse since. I warned people that Stan had no clue what to do. I wouldn’t be surprised if any of the good moves that have happened were due to the other people around him advising him. He’s just not a hockey guy, and it’s showing. My guess is the core group was revolting against Stan and not Q or JC. It’s quite evident that Stan has screwed over the core group here. The contracts, the trading of other core guys, the mismanagement and now just making moves to make them. He’s the worlds biggest fraud and he’s been exposed to the max now. This has to end. I would like to see if JC actually has any good ideas? I still don’t buy that he’s this bad, this reeks of Bowman(s)!!! I can’t agree with the ‘fraud’ label T but I’ve lost a lotta confidence in SB’ ability over the last few years. Ive lost confidence in the ‘other people’ around him too because trading a young,NHL ready D-man for a forward project should have been vetoed by his staff and that staff should have INSISTED on moving Gus last summer while he still had value. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 11:25:57 GMT -6
I agree Bob. My only defense of JC ( and I’m not quick at all to defend him) is that he’s literally a puppet. You can see his blank and frustrated stare, he seems to say the wrong things, probably because it wasn’t his decision. I think Stan is now in full control. He doesn’t want a coach like Q or even Crawford to tell him he doesn’t know anything and to do it this way. Stans been doing it solely his way since he’s traded Panera and Hammer. And the team couldn’t be worse since. I warned people that Stan had no clue what to do. I wouldn’t be surprised if any of the good moves that have happened were due to the other people around him advising him. He’s just not a hockey guy, and it’s showing. My guess is the core group was revolting against Stan and not Q or JC. It’s quite evident that Stan has screwed over the core group here. The contracts, the trading of other core guys, the mismanagement and now just making moves to make them. He’s the worlds biggest fraud and he’s been exposed to the max now. This has to end. I would like to see if JC actually has any good ideas? I still don’t buy that he’s this bad, this reeks of Bowman(s)!!! I can’t agree with the ‘fraud’ label T but I’ve lost a lotta confidence in SB’ ability over the last few years. Ive lost confidence in the ‘other people’ around him too because trading a young,NHL ready D-man for a forward project should have been vetoed by his staff and that staff should have INSISTED on moving Gus last summer while he still had value. Hey Bob, just think if Bowman, instead of trading Joker for Nylander, he instead traded Gus. I'm guessing that could have brought not only Nylander, but possibly a pick or another player after his 60 point season last year. And the Hawks would have a 19 year old defenseman with an upside over a 27 year old who couldn't crack an NHL roster regularly until last year. |
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Post by doogiew on Nov 7, 2019 12:25:52 GMT -6
OK a coach needs systems but a good coach adapts systems to the team he has. Whether JC likes it or not Bowman has stuck him with an offensive team. A team so powerful offensively I think they could out score any team in the league. You have one of the best player makers in the league in Kane. You have Toews one of the best faceoff men and two way forwards.
The lineup wreaks of 20 to 30 goal scorers Saad Cat Strome Nylander Kubalik Shaw. That's the thing you have t let players play to their strength and make your systems adapt. Look at what good coachses and GM'S have done around the league. The Oilers are in a constant battle for first place with Two players really. This coach has the players in my opinion but he must figure out how to achieve what it is he wants and an do with in. Been a coach for years and I know first hand with kids you cant force anything on a player.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 7, 2019 16:52:52 GMT -6
I can’t agree with the ‘fraud’ label T but I’ve lost a lotta confidence in SB’ ability over the last few years. Ive lost confidence in the ‘other people’ around him too because trading a young,NHL ready D-man for a forward project should have been vetoed by his staff and that staff should have INSISTED on moving Gus last summer while he still had value. Hey Bob, just think if Bowman, instead of trading Joker for Nylander, he instead traded Gus. I'm guessing that could have brought not only Nylander, but possibly a pick or another player after his 60 point season last year. And the Hawks would have a 19 year old defenseman with an upside over a 27 year old who couldn't crack an NHL roster regularly until last year. Wish I could like your post more than once my friend! Gus for Nylander and a bit more keeps Joker(R) and avoids having to get both Maata(L) and de Haan(L) and that saves over 3M if space still matters. |
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Post by babyhawk on Nov 9, 2019 6:31:42 GMT -6
BB, are you Tman?
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 9, 2019 7:46:05 GMT -6
Yes babyhawk, it's me. Welcome to the Hawk fans new forum. |
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Post by gigecj on Nov 9, 2019 11:00:14 GMT -6
We need a coach like this again. That's a poster-worthy photo of him. Still, the way Arthur Wirtz fired him is one of the most classless acts in sports |
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Post by gigecj on Nov 9, 2019 11:02:45 GMT -6
Isn't it exciting the Yotes are moving to the Central in 2021/2022? Can't wait... NOT Somehow, Phoenix winds up a midwestern kind of town. It's bad enough Colorado is considered as such. Seriously, I've always had a problem with an insignia of a coyote howling to represent an NHL team. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 9, 2019 11:16:42 GMT -6
Isn't it exciting the Yotes are moving to the Central in 2021/2022? Can't wait... NOT Somehow, Phoenix winds up a midwestern kind of town. It's bad enough Colorado is considered as such. Seriously, I've always had a problem with an insignia of a coyote howling to represent an NHL team. To me they should go back to the 3 division format. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 17:40:35 GMT -6
Isn't it exciting the Yotes are moving to the Central in 2021/2022? I don't understand awarding a team to another west coast team. I thought they'd look at midwest, either Kansas City or Milwaukee. Having a west coast team in the central division is idiotic. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 9, 2019 18:05:54 GMT -6
Isn't it exciting the Yotes are moving to the Central in 2021/2022? I don't understand awarding a team to another west coast team. I thought they'd look at midwest, either Kansas City or Milwaukee. Having a west coast team in the central division is idiotic. I would have thought Houston would have been better choice, a no to Milwaukee. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 10, 2019 8:37:40 GMT -6
Can't wait... NOT Somehow, Phoenix winds up a midwestern kind of town. It's bad enough Colorado is considered as such. Seriously, I've always had a problem with an insignia of a coyote howling to represent an NHL team. To me they should go back to the 3 division format. I feel divisional playoff should be cast aside, we should have the top 16 teams play in the playoffs. Teams should play their geographical neighbours more often to keep that rivalry feel to games. But I feel games would mean a lot more if there’s 6-7 bubble teams fighting for the last spot. Also this way, there’s no team from any conference getting in due to a weaker conference. I think to move forward with this type of format makes the most sense!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 10, 2019 8:47:06 GMT -6
To me they should go back to the 3 division format. I feel divisional playoff should be cast aside, we should have the top 16 teams play in the playoffs. Teams should play their geographical neighbours more often to keep that rivalry feel to games. But I feel games would mean a lot more if there’s 6-7 bubble teams fighting for the last spot. Also this way, there’s no team from any conference getting in due to a weaker conference. I think to move forward with this type of format makes the most sense!!! With the divisional alignment coming how is Winnipeg and Arizona rivals? Really screwed up there. The 3 division tier they had before was best as far as geographical rivals. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 10, 2019 8:50:24 GMT -6
I feel divisional playoff should be cast aside, we should have the top 16 teams play in the playoffs. Teams should play their geographical neighbours more often to keep that rivalry feel to games. But I feel games would mean a lot more if there’s 6-7 bubble teams fighting for the last spot. Also this way, there’s no team from any conference getting in due to a weaker conference. I think to move forward with this type of format makes the most sense!!! With the divisional alignment coming how is Winnipeg and Arizona rivals? Really screwed up there. The 3 division tier they had before was best as far as geographical rivals. Maybe you didn’t get my post? I don’t want any divisions at all. Let all the teams battle it out for the top 16 spots. To increase rivalry, teams should play their geographical neighbours. Super simple and no one can complain about a weaker conference/division!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 10, 2019 9:04:13 GMT -6
With the divisional alignment coming how is Winnipeg and Arizona rivals? Really screwed up there. The 3 division tier they had before was best as far as geographical rivals. Maybe you didn’t get my post? I don’t want any divisions at all. Let all the teams battle it out for the top 16 spots. To increase rivalry, teams should play their geographical neighbours. Super simple and no one can complain about a weaker conference/division!!! I understood that point, but then how do you have the PO format? 1-16 2-15 3-14 etc, etc,....? |
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Post by BigT on Nov 10, 2019 18:25:07 GMT -6
Maybe you didn’t get my post? I don’t want any divisions at all. Let all the teams battle it out for the top 16 spots. To increase rivalry, teams should play their geographical neighbours. Super simple and no one can complain about a weaker conference/division!!! I understood that point, but then how do you have the PO format? 1-16 2-15 3-14 etc, etc,....? That’s exactly it!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 19:46:47 GMT -6
I understood that point, but then how do you have the PO format? 1-16 2-15 3-14 etc, etc,....? That’s exactly it!!! I had also suggested that the non-playoff teams have some sort of tournament for the #1 pick. This would stop teams from tanking games at the end of the season. Eventually a bottom 16 round robin played with little fan fare or TV coverage. Just local TV. |
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Post by doogiew on Nov 11, 2019 8:04:10 GMT -6
Hey Bob, just think if Bowman, instead of trading Joker for Nylander, he instead traded Gus. I'm guessing that could have brought not only Nylander, but possibly a pick or another player after his 60 point season last year. And the Hawks would have a 19 year old defenseman with an upside over a 27 year old who couldn't crack an NHL roster regularly until last year. Wish I could like your post more than once my friend! Gus for Nylander and a bit more keeps Joker(R) and avoids having to get both Maata(L) and de Haan(L) and that saves over 3M if space still matters. Regardless of for who just trade Gus |
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 11, 2019 13:07:48 GMT -6
I had also suggested that the non-playoff teams have some sort of tournament for the #1 pick. This would stop teams from tanking games at the end of the season. Eventually a bottom 16 round robin played with little fan fare or TV coverage. Just local TV. Not gonna work. Theoretically, the #17 team just outside of the PO can beat the crap out of all the other teams below and win the #1. It defeats the purpose of “crappiest team get #1”. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 11, 2019 13:21:19 GMT -6
My objection would be then you could end up with a Cup series of like Rangers/Islanders.
The rest of the country would be uninterested in a "subway" series.
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Post by BigT on Nov 11, 2019 17:31:29 GMT -6
My objection would be then you could end up with a Cup series of like Rangers/Islanders. The rest of the country would be uninterested in a "subway" series. It’s possible, but there will always be finals no one gives a shite about. Like last years. I had zero interest in watching that, both teams didn’t interest me much. And I believe the ratings were pretty bad too!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 11, 2019 17:40:38 GMT -6
My objection would be then you could end up with a Cup series of like Rangers/Islanders. The rest of the country would be uninterested in a "subway" series. It’s possible, but there will always be finals no one gives a shite about. Like last years. I had zero interest in watching that, both teams didn’t interest me much. And I believe the ratings were pretty bad too!!! The Blues made it interesting for me since the Blues are in our division. And I have a couple friends who are Blues fans. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 11, 2019 18:53:45 GMT -6
It’s possible, but there will always be finals no one gives a shite about. Like last years. I had zero interest in watching that, both teams didn’t interest me much. And I believe the ratings were pretty bad too!!! The Blues made it interesting for me since the Blues are in our division. And I have a couple friends who are Blues fans. You need a couple of new friends!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 11, 2019 18:57:29 GMT -6
The Blues made it interesting for me since the Blues are in our division. And I have a couple friends who are Blues fans. You need a couple of new friends!!! HAHA, sad but true. |
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