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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 17:25:49 GMT -6
Reading the game day threads where so many are calling for Collitons firing. I've only seen a very few games right after he was hired so I can't speak on his competence, but here's the thing. He's just another in a long list of failures by Stan Bowman, yet Bowman continues to hold his job. I don't disagree that Colliton wasn't ready to coach an NHL team, especially replacing a HOF coach that led the team to championships who has gotten off to a great start in Florida with the GM who built the championship teams in Chicago. But why are so many singling him out and not looking at who made the decision to hire him?
How many years does Bowman get to prove he's a failure and will never be able to build a winning team. If not for Toews, Kane, Keith this team would be lucky to win 20 games a season and that's solely on Bowman.
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 23, 2019 9:33:24 GMT -6
Reading the game day threads where so many are calling for Collitons firing. I've only seen a very few games right after he was hired so I can't speak on his competence, but here's the thing. He's just another in a long list of failures by Stan Bowman, yet Bowman continues to hold his job. I don't disagree that Colliton wasn't ready to coach an NHL team, especially replacing a HOF coach that led the team to championships who has gotten off to a great start in Florida with the GM who built the championship teams in Chicago. But why are so many singling him out and not looking at who made the decision to hire him? How many years does Bowman get to prove he's a failure and will never be able to build a winning team. If not for Toews, Kane, Keith this team would be lucky to win 20 games a season and that's solely on Bowman. Actually no one is singling out JC. Its been years that EVERYONE wants SB out. But thats beating a dead horse. I guess people get tired of saying that same thing over and over again, so JC is the new target (not that they dont deserve it) |
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Post by BigT on Nov 23, 2019 9:53:36 GMT -6
Reading the game day threads where so many are calling for Collitons firing. I've only seen a very few games right after he was hired so I can't speak on his competence, but here's the thing. He's just another in a long list of failures by Stan Bowman, yet Bowman continues to hold his job. I don't disagree that Colliton wasn't ready to coach an NHL team, especially replacing a HOF coach that led the team to championships who has gotten off to a great start in Florida with the GM who built the championship teams in Chicago. But why are so many singling him out and not looking at who made the decision to hire him? How many years does Bowman get to prove he's a failure and will never be able to build a winning team. If not for Toews, Kane, Keith this team would be lucky to win 20 games a season and that's solely on Bowman. Actually no one is singling out JC. Its been years that EVERYONE wants SB out. But thats beating a dead horse. I guess people get tired of saying that same thing over and over again, so JC is the new target (not that they dont deserve it) Whoa whoa whoa. I don’t care about the horse, cuz it’s dead, but I’ll still beat it cuz it makes me feel better. Ya, bits of flesh fly off as you whack away at it, it gets messy and some say it’s just an abomination now, but that horse has ruined your hockey team. I feel that horse will beat long after it’s gone and biodegraded. Stan as we know isn’t much of a hockey guy, counts at a 4th grade level and seems to have trouble making friends. Now that Q is gone, he’s doing the classic business model, never hired anyone smarter than you, cuz they’ll take your job. And Colliton is just that. Did anyone really expect Stan to hire an experienced coach? He needed a yes man to push his agenda so he can finally say “I told you I could do it”. Well, if this team fails to reach the post season again, I don’t know how he can have anymore slogans to save his job. I also feel that the same disorder that Stan suffers from, the ol “never hire anyone smarter than you” disorder, severely hampers McD. He also doesn’t want a true hockey guy in there cuz he’d be obsolete farm machinery too!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 23, 2019 12:09:18 GMT -6
Actually no one is singling out JC. Its been years that EVERYONE wants SB out. But thats beating a dead horse. I guess people get tired of saying that same thing over and over again, so JC is the new target (not that they dont deserve it) Whoa whoa whoa. I don’t care about the horse, cuz it’s dead, but I’ll still beat it cuz it makes me feel better. Ya, bits of flesh fly off as you whack away at it, it gets messy and some say it’s just an abomination now, but that horse has ruined your hockey team. I feel that horse will beat long after it’s gone and biodegraded. Stan as we know isn’t much of a hockey guy, counts at a 4th grade level and seems to have trouble making friends. Now that Q is gone, he’s doing the classic business model, never hired anyone smarter than you, cuz they’ll take your job. And Colliton is just that. Did anyone really expect Stan to hire an experienced coach? He needed a yes man to push his agenda so he can finally say “I told you I could do it”. Well, if this team fails to reach the post season again, I don’t know how he can have anymore slogans to save his job. I also feel that the same disorder that Stan suffers from, the ol “never hire anyone smarter than you” disorder, severely hampers McD. He also doesn’t want a true hockey guy in there cuz he’d be obsolete farm machinery too!!! I've said it countless times before, if SB was smart, he would hire a GM, a real GM that is, and he stays at VP title he also has. That way he can take the glory of hiring a brilliant GM. Then he can run around and say "Look at what MY brilliant GM has done!" |
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 24, 2019 1:03:52 GMT -6
Reading the game day threads where so many are calling for Collitons firing. I've only seen a very few games right after he was hired so I can't speak on his competence, but here's the thing. He's just another in a long list of failures by Stan Bowman, yet Bowman continues to hold his job. I don't disagree that Colliton wasn't ready to coach an NHL team, especially replacing a HOF coach that led the team to championships who has gotten off to a great start in Florida with the GM who built the championship teams in Chicago. But why are so many singling him out and not looking at who made the decision to hire him? How many years does Bowman get to prove he's a failure and will never be able to build a winning team. If not for Toews, Kane, Keith this team would be lucky to win 20 games a season and that's solely on Bowman. Well bigt answered your question, bowman bashing is still as fun as ever. I think your question should go up the food chain, why is Rocky allowing this clown show to continue? He seems to be unscathed from all the blame. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 24, 2019 6:49:41 GMT -6
Reading the game day threads where so many are calling for Collitons firing. I've only seen a very few games right after he was hired so I can't speak on his competence, but here's the thing. He's just another in a long list of failures by Stan Bowman, yet Bowman continues to hold his job. I don't disagree that Colliton wasn't ready to coach an NHL team, especially replacing a HOF coach that led the team to championships who has gotten off to a great start in Florida with the GM who built the championship teams in Chicago. But why are so many singling him out and not looking at who made the decision to hire him? How many years does Bowman get to prove he's a failure and will never be able to build a winning team. If not for Toews, Kane, Keith this team would be lucky to win 20 games a season and that's solely on Bowman. Well bigt answered your question, bowman bashing is still as fun as ever. I think your question should go up the food chain, why is Rocky allowing this clown show to continue? He seems to be unscathed from all the blame. I hate to say it, but I think Rocky, McD and Stan all don’t want people under them that aren’t smarter than them. Or are some type of threat to them. Tallon was as much of a hockey guy as any, and they cast him aside, then Q was here and he was also cast aside. 2 of the best hockey guys in the game and both were not good enough here. Right now, the only real hockey guy I see is Marc Crawford, and I’m sure Colliton doesn’t care for him, cuz he’s more than likely the contingency plan. From Stan on down to the coaching staff, this thing reeks of inexperience and ego’s. Even with McD, he likes to have his say too. I think it’s just about time for a fresh set of eyes to gaze upon this here hockey team!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 24, 2019 9:32:08 GMT -6
Well bigt answered your question, bowman bashing is still as fun as ever. I think your question should go up the food chain, why is Rocky allowing this clown show to continue? He seems to be unscathed from all the blame. I hate to say it, but I think Rocky, McD and Stan all don’t want people under them that aren’t smarter than them. Or are some type of threat to them. Tallon was as much of a hockey guy as any, and they cast him aside, then Q was here and he was also cast aside. 2 of the best hockey guys in the game and both were not good enough here. Right now, the only real hockey guy I see is Marc Crawford, and I’m sure Colliton doesn’t care for him, cuz he’s more than likely the contingency plan. From Stan on down to the coaching staff, this thing reeks of inexperience and ego’s. Even with McD, he likes to have his say too. I think it’s just about time for a fresh set of eyes to gaze upon this here hockey team!!! Toronto figured Lou's best days were behind him and the Caps saw little need for their cup winning HC too...…...hockey fans on the 'Island' are extremely pleased with these two decisions! |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 24, 2019 9:36:19 GMT -6
I looked at Khudobin's numbers the last two years after he shut us down last night and I'm reminded he signer for 500K less than we signed Ward for in the summer of '18'......just a fact. Lehner signer for 1.5M that summer too.
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 24, 2019 9:52:59 GMT -6
I hate to say it, but I think Rocky, McD and Stan all don’t want people under them that aren’t smarter than them. Or are some type of threat to them. Tallon was as much of a hockey guy as any, and they cast him aside, then Q was here and he was also cast aside. 2 of the best hockey guys in the game and both were not good enough here. Right now, the only real hockey guy I see is Marc Crawford, and I’m sure Colliton doesn’t care for him, cuz he’s more than likely the contingency plan. From Stan on down to the coaching staff, this thing reeks of inexperience and ego’s. Even with McD, he likes to have his say too. I think it’s just about time for a fresh set of eyes to gaze upon this here hockey team!!! Toronto figured Lou's best days were behind him and the Caps saw little need for their cup winning HC too...…...hockey fans on the 'Island' are extremely pleased with these two decisions! The Caps don't seem to be suffering any ill-effects of letting their cup winning coach go. And I like Barry Trotz, I think he is an outstanding coach. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 24, 2019 10:23:40 GMT -6
Toronto figured Lou's best days were behind him and the Caps saw little need for their cup winning HC too...…...hockey fans on the 'Island' are extremely pleased with these two decisions! The Caps don't seem to be suffering any ill-effects of letting their cup winning coach go. And I like Barry Trotz, I think he is an outstanding coach. They're off to a great start but a first round exit after a cup win is an ill-effect as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 24, 2019 10:42:14 GMT -6
The Caps don't seem to be suffering any ill-effects of letting their cup winning coach go. And I like Barry Trotz, I think he is an outstanding coach. They're off to a great start but a first round exit after a cup win is an ill-effect as far as I'm concerned. We had 2 consecutive 1st round exits after our cup win. 2010/2011 & 2015/2016 And yet we still had the same coach. Who knows whats in store for the Caps in the post season. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 24, 2019 14:02:31 GMT -6
They're off to a great start but a first round exit after a cup win is an ill-effect as far as I'm concerned. We had 2 consecutive 1st round exits after our cup win. 2010/2011 & 2015/2016 And yet we still had the same coach. Who knows whats in store for the Caps in the post season. Did the Caps lose half their cup winning team to the salary cap like the Hawks? If you think firing a coach the summer after he won a cup is a good idea......I don’t know what to say. |
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Post by doogiew on Nov 24, 2019 14:40:18 GMT -6
Bowman is an accountant! Yes his father was a hockey man in his time had great teams and was successful. When he had less than great teams he to was a flop. I'm not a Scotty Bowman fan and I'm certainly not a fan of Stan. My bitching however is fruitless I wish it weren't cause I'd love to put the boot to both him and his decrepit old man.
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Post by nighbor on Nov 24, 2019 15:33:50 GMT -6
Well bigt answered your question, bowman bashing is still as fun as ever. I think your question should go up the food chain, why is Rocky allowing this clown show to continue? He seems to be unscathed from all the blame. I hate to say it, but I think Rocky, McD and Stan all don’t want people under them that aren’t smarter than them. Or are some type of threat to them. Tallon was as much of a hockey guy as any, and they cast him aside, then Q was here and he was also cast aside. 2 of the best hockey guys in the game and both were not good enough here. Right now, the only real hockey guy I see is Marc Crawford, and I’m sure Colliton doesn’t care for him, cuz he’s more than likely the contingency plan. From Stan on down to the coaching staff, this thing reeks of inexperience and ego’s. Even with McD, he likes to have his say too. I think it’s just about time for a fresh set of eyes to gaze upon this here hockey team!!! JC like Q surrounded himself with trusted coaches. Crawford was an assistant to JC in successfully campaigns in Sweden. It is hard to believe Crawford would stab JC in the back by withholding helpful suggestions on how to improve this seasons club. If he cannot help fix the team this season how is he magically going to be able to turn it around next season if he is in charge. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 25, 2019 6:54:37 GMT -6
I hate to say it, but I think Rocky, McD and Stan all don’t want people under them that aren’t smarter than them. Or are some type of threat to them. Tallon was as much of a hockey guy as any, and they cast him aside, then Q was here and he was also cast aside. 2 of the best hockey guys in the game and both were not good enough here. Right now, the only real hockey guy I see is Marc Crawford, and I’m sure Colliton doesn’t care for him, cuz he’s more than likely the contingency plan. From Stan on down to the coaching staff, this thing reeks of inexperience and ego’s. Even with McD, he likes to have his say too. I think it’s just about time for a fresh set of eyes to gaze upon this here hockey team!!! JC like Q surrounded himself with trusted coaches. Crawford was an assistant to JC in successfully campaigns in Sweden. It is hard to believe Crawford would stab JC in the back by withholding helpful suggestions on how to improve this seasons club. If he cannot help fix the team this season how is he magically going to be able to turn it around next season if he is in charge. Simply because the players are tuning out the head coach. The head coach is doing things his way, and it’s failing. Who said Crawford was with holding info? And where did this conspiracy come from? JC is Stans puppet so he can have his way. That’s not a knock on Stan, every GM wants their own coach in there. I just disagree that JC is the right guy at the right time. That’s all!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 25, 2019 8:49:47 GMT -6
Wasn't SB a cute little kid? And who said SB don't know Hockey? LOL  |
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Post by BigT on Nov 25, 2019 10:21:46 GMT -6
Wasn't SB a cute little kid? And who said SB don't know Hockey? LOL View AttachmentSad thing is, his dad is still doing that to this day!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 25, 2019 10:29:33 GMT -6
Wasn't SB a cute little kid? And who said SB don't know Hockey? LOL Sad thing is, his dad is still doing that to this day!!! But you got to love the strap on skates. Like old roller skates. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 25, 2019 12:41:35 GMT -6
Sad thing is, his dad is still doing that to this day!!! But you got to love the strap on skates. Like old roller skates. You lost me at strap on!!! |
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Post by nighbor on Nov 25, 2019 14:29:33 GMT -6
JC like Q surrounded himself with trusted coaches. Crawford was an assistant to JC in successfully campaigns in Sweden. It is hard to believe Crawford would stab JC in the back by withholding helpful suggestions on how to improve this seasons club. If he cannot help fix the team this season how is he magically going to be able to turn it around next season if he is in charge. Simply because the players are tuning out the head coach. The head coach is doing things his way, and it’s failing. Who said Crawford was with holding info? And where did this conspiracy come from? JC is Stans puppet so he can have his way. That’s not a knock on Stan, every GM wants their own coach in there. I just disagree that JC is the right guy at the right time. That’s all!!! First of all, JC is not a puppet. I suspect that he is as much of his own man as you are. It is to JC's benefit for his coaching future to have a winning team so why allow a GM who posters say knows nothing about hockey tell him how to coach. Your insinuation that the players are tuning him out is the only conspiracy theory I see. Coaches continually hold meetings to improve the product. Crawford is JC's trusted assistant so if he knew what to do he would inform JC who would be willing to give it a shot. Remember the important thing to JC is his future and that depends on how this team performs. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 27, 2019 15:54:57 GMT -6
I moved all the Peters comments to a new thread in the NHL boards
Peters/Babcock
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Post by doogiew on Nov 27, 2019 17:46:29 GMT -6
Simply because the players are tuning out the head coach. The head coach is doing things his way, and it’s failing. Who said Crawford was with holding info? And where did this conspiracy come from? JC is Stans puppet so he can have his way. That’s not a knock on Stan, every GM wants their own coach in there. I just disagree that JC is the right guy at the right time. That’s all!!! First of all, JC is not a puppet. I suspect that he is as much of his own man as you are. It is to JC's benefit for his coaching future to have a winning team so why allow a GM who posters say knows nothing about hockey tell him how to coach. Your insinuation that the players are tuning him out is the only conspiracy theory I see. Coaches continually hold meetings to improve the product. Crawford is JC's trusted assistant so if he knew what to do he would inform JC who would be willing to give it a shot. Remember the important thing to JC is his future and that depends on how this team performs. JC is young but he's learning on the job which would be fine if he were coaching a younger club these guys are expected to win and make the Playoffs.A good thing for JC is I believe his veterans are winners and so i his coaching staff so he can always lean on them. This isn't Kindergarten however and sending players to the press box to teach them a lesson is getting old as fans want to see the best players in every game. Players want to play and they don't sign new contracts to either play in the minors or watch from the press box. This is only one of the mistakes he has made. Then again I guess it's better than calling them names, or beating them. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 27, 2019 17:51:54 GMT -6
First of all, JC is not a puppet. I suspect that he is as much of his own man as you are. It is to JC's benefit for his coaching future to have a winning team so why allow a GM who posters say knows nothing about hockey tell him how to coach. Your insinuation that the players are tuning him out is the only conspiracy theory I see. Coaches continually hold meetings to improve the product. Crawford is JC's trusted assistant so if he knew what to do he would inform JC who would be willing to give it a shot. Remember the important thing to JC is his future and that depends on how this team performs. JC is young but he's learning on the job which would be fine if he were coaching a younger club these guys are expected to win and make the Playoffs.A good thing for JC is I believe his veterans are winners and so i his coaching staff so he can always lean on them. This isn't Kindergarten however and sending players to the press box to teach them a lesson is getting old as fans want to see the best players in every game. Players want to play and they don't sign new contracts to either play in the minors or watch from the press box. This is only one of the mistakes he has made. Then again I guess it's better than calling them names, or beating them. Did you say the same thing when Q sat out Seabs? Or when he would bench a player for making a mistake? Like he always did to rookies. Remember he would bench Leddy for entire periods. Just have him sit at the end of the bench. These things piss off a player no doubt, but it sparks something under their behinds. Since Seabs was benched he has been a house on fire. He developed that wicked backhander even.  |
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 27, 2019 17:59:23 GMT -6
Simply because the players are tuning out the head coach. The head coach is doing things his way, and it’s failing. Who said Crawford was with holding info? And where did this conspiracy come from? JC is Stans puppet so he can have his way. That’s not a knock on Stan, every GM wants their own coach in there. I just disagree that JC is the right guy at the right time. That’s all!!! First of all, JC is not a puppet. I suspect that he is as much of his own man as you are. It is to JC's benefit for his coaching future to have a winning team so why allow a GM who posters say knows nothing about hockey tell him how to coach. Your insinuation that the players are tuning him out is the only conspiracy theory I see. Coaches continually hold meetings to improve the product. Crawford is JC's trusted assistant so if he knew what to do he would inform JC who would be willing to give it a shot. Remember the important thing to JC is his future and that depends on how this team performs. Well, Bowman *is* his boss...Winning does better his future employment, but if he steps on Stan's toes to do so he might get his walking papers sooner rather than later--especially if his play for winning contradict's Stan's and ends up blowing up in his face. |
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Post by vonbeck on Nov 30, 2019 20:53:09 GMT -6
Jesus, I said this before and I'll say it again, Bowman needs to go. Sooner rather than later. In fact this entire front office needs to go. McDougnut knows nothing and I mean nothing about Hockey. The Hawks scouts are meh at best. Bowman is riding his dads coattails and nothing more. As much as I love Rocky he is not a knowledgeable hockey guy, but shit they need to clean the front office ASAP.
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Post by angoti on Nov 30, 2019 21:54:01 GMT -6
Jesus, I said this before and I'll say it again, Bowman needs to go. Sooner rather than later. In fact this entire front office needs to go. McDougnut knows nothing and I mean nothing about Hockey. The Hawks scouts are meh at best. Bowman is riding his dads coattails and nothing more. As much as I love Rocky he is not a knowledgeable hockey guy, but shit they need to clean the front office ASAP. I have to agree with this.. they’re not playing for JC.. and I don’t see any change.. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 30, 2019 22:21:41 GMT -6
Jesus, I said this before and I'll say it again, Bowman needs to go. Sooner rather than later. In fact this entire front office needs to go. McDougnut knows nothing and I mean nothing about Hockey. The Hawks scouts are meh at best. Bowman is riding his dads coattails and nothing more. As much as I love Rocky he is not a knowledgeable hockey guy, but shit they need to clean the front office ASAP. I have to agree with this.. they’re not playing for JC.. and I don’t see any change.. Doesn't even look like they're playing for their own pride. |
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Post by Tater on Dec 1, 2019 2:40:21 GMT -6
I have to agree with this.. they’re not playing for JC.. and I don’t see any change.. Sad but true (minus a couple players).
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Post by BigT on Dec 1, 2019 7:59:56 GMT -6
I have to agree with this.. they’re not playing for JC.. and I don’t see any change.. Doesn't even look like they're playing for their own pride. Honest question to you and everyone else. If a coach is making your life at the rink and sometimes off the ice bad. Would you honestly play hard for them? Especially when they have no clue what they’re doing? If you play hard for them and make them look ok, they’ll last and make your life worse cuz they think that their stupid ways work. Now, I believe they play hard but are being out coached horribly, the players see this and are doing what they’re told. But it’s tough to keep doing something when it’s failing. He loosened the leash for a bit, and now he goes right back to what he was doing. I know many will say Kane is busting his arse just due to his point streak, but truth is, he’s digging it the most. He’s not even helping out defensively at all it seems. But Toews will get the most slack due to his offensive numbers but the guy is playing in his own end more than he should be. It’s like JC is running a 2-3 system with Toews out there. And it’s tough for our two forwards to create much with Toews being basically a 3rd Dman. Kids like Nylander will fail miserably in this type of environment. He’s not overly physical and he doesn’t care to play defensive hockey. So if they want him to look good, he should be out there with Toews and Kane. Put Saad on the 2nd line!!! |
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Post by doogiew on Dec 2, 2019 10:33:38 GMT -6
Doesn't even look like they're playing for their own pride. Honest question to you and everyone else. If a coach is making your life at the rink and sometimes off the ice bad. Would you honestly play hard for them? Especially when they have no clue what they’re doing? If you play hard for them and make them look ok, they’ll last and make your life worse cuz they think that their stupid ways work. Now, I believe they play hard but are being out coached horribly, the players see this and are doing what they’re told. But it’s tough to keep doing something when it’s failing. He loosened the leash for a bit, and now he goes right back to what he was doing. I know many will say Kane is busting his arse just due to his point streak, but truth is, he’s digging it the most. He’s not even helping out defensively at all it seems. But Toews will get the most slack due to his offensive numbers but the guy is playing in his own end more than he should be. It’s like JC is running a 2-3 system with Toews out there. And it’s tough for our two forwards to create much with Toews being basically a 3rd Dman. Kids like Nylander will fail miserably in this type of environment. He’s not overly physical and he doesn’t care to play defensive hockey. So if they want him to look good, he should be out there with Toews and Kane. Put Saad on the 2nd line!!! All makes sense T I've being saying fro the start of season that they tuned him out. Caggulia and Strome being out with concussions says a lot. Two players playing in situations and circumstance that they aren't used to or equipped for. This is one hell of a league to start teaching players different and in some cases dangerous skills, that take many ear to get down. Sometimes you can't t each size. |
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