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Post by doogiew on Jan 1, 2020 19:38:26 GMT -6
True. Teams need to get younger as time goes by. So where is all the youth and depth who will be carrying this team moving forward and replacing the current aging stars? If we are supposed to be hanging our hats on Dach and Boqvist only, this is a sad state of affairs. And with all the injuries the team has, now would be the time for the next wave to be making their presence felt. Problem is, the next wave doesn’t exist. No Bueno. Guess you missed Sikura,Highmore and Wedin come up from Rockford and contribute...….missed em myself. Other than a few decent D prospects we got next to nothing! That's a lot of the reason Stan felt he could deal the Joker with the likes of Mitchell, Gilbert Beaudin. It's also the reason he wouldn't deal Perlini without insisting Yzerman send Regula. I believe he needed Regula so that he could at least look like he knew what he was doing dealing Joker. The defense is in great shape on the youth front even if two of the four pan out and become the player most believe they will. Nylander not working out the way needed is the downfall. You have to win trading a young D man like joker and that didn't happen. Stan and the scouting staff with the exception of a couple of scouts in western Canada are piss poor judges of offensive talent. This is more than apparent in that two of the teams better forwards have come from Europe in Panarin and the jury is out still on Kubalik. At this point Kubalik is still just an average player. These players were also signed not drafted. While other teams are scoring with their second and even third rounders Stan is paying a shell game. Making trades for other teams AHL players that don't pan out. Still Stan holds on to a player like Sikura trying to pass him off to the hockey world as an NHL player. The best forward to come on this season is Carpenter the most serviceable at 1000000 a season yet still a cemented fourth line. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 1, 2020 21:14:46 GMT -6
“ We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them”.~Albert Einstein.
We need a totally new way of thinking of a different person on this. I know, I know we’ve seen this team win 4 in a row, but they’re still in last in the central. This is such a tough climb out of Buffalo Bills pit, more than likely the playoffs are gone. So let’s start prepping for the next phase!!!
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Post by hsbob on Jan 2, 2020 10:54:33 GMT -6
Guess you missed Sikura,Highmore and Wedin come up from Rockford and contribute...….missed em myself. Other than a few decent D prospects we got next to nothing! That's a lot of the reason Stan felt he could deal the Joker with the likes of Mitchell, Gilbert Beaudin. It's also the reason he wouldn't deal Perlini without insisting Yzerman send Regula. I believe he needed Regula so that he could at least look like he knew what he was doing dealing Joker. The defense is in great shape on the youth front even if two of the four pan out and become the player most believe they will. Nylander not working out the way needed is the downfall. You have to win trading a young D man like joker and that didn't happen. Stan and the scouting staff with the exception of a couple of scouts in western Canada are piss poor judges of offensive talent. This is more than apparent in that two of the teams better forwards have come from Europe in Panarin and the jury is out still on Kubalik. At this point Kubalik is still just an average player. These players were also signed not drafted. While other teams are scoring with their second and even third rounders Stan is paying a shell game. Making trades for other teams AHL players that don't pan out. Still Stan holds on to a player like Sikura trying to pass him off to the hockey world as an NHL player. The best forward to come on this season is Carpenter the most serviceable at 1000000 a season yet still a cemented fourth line. IMO,it comes down to proper player assessment with our young D-men as it always does...... Joker. I still don't know what JC didn't see that Q did when he put the 19yro in his opening night line-up and fed him big minutes with Keith,I never thought I'd hear Q utter the term "giddy" but he described the Joker just that way during the team's 6-1-3 start. His WC coach also liked him against NHL players for the Finns later that year and Kruger likes him a bunch this year. The Joker's almost 20lbs heavier than either Boq,Mitch or Beau and was more ready as this season shows us. Keeping the right-shot,HNL ready Joker negates the need for one of the D acquisitions and saves the team over 3M dollars...….who needs 3M dollars? I believe this is a MIS-assessment. Gilbert. I truly believe that the FO is just as surprised with his emergence as any of us are or they don't bring in two high priced vets and they have him in the opening night line up as deserved. The big,kid played three years of NCAA hockey an hour and a half away at the GM's own alma mater and had a solid AHL season under his belt for an Org that shoulda known what they had. He's 23,he was ready and might also have negated the need for a pricey vet himself,another 3M savings ...…..mis-assessment. Boqvist. I like the speedy,right shot D-man and I'd also like to see him hang another 10-15lbs of groceries on that 19yro frame. Kieth likes him too. Mitchell's having a good year in college and Beaudin's adjusting to professional hockey but it's still hard to predict what we'll get from the two under-sized 20 year olds IMO. I understand the 'trade from a strength to help a weakness' defense of the Joker trade since we're short on forward prospects but the other four young D-men we've discussed had one NHL game under their belts(Gilbert) last summer and that's a bit of a stretch as was the acquisition of Nylander. When it comes to MIS-assessments,I truly believe not moving Gus when he had real value was a real dandy. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jan 2, 2020 12:13:41 GMT -6
“ We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them”.~Albert Einstein. We need a totally new way of thinking of a different person on this. I know, I know we’ve seen this team win 4 in a row, but they’re still in last in the central. This is such a tough climb out of Buffalo Bills pit, more than likely the playoffs are gone. So let’s start prepping for the next phase!!! a.k.a. an exercise in futility like Wile E. Coyote would undertake. One thing I noticed when crunching the numbers through the halfway point is that the team has only 2 ROWs when the 'hawks score 1 or 2 goals. The bulk of the wins of the team are when they score 3+ goals. We only have a single shutout and if we hold the opposition to a goal it either goes to the shootout, or we annihilate them with O. This year the team is hinging on 2 things: Goaltending--which has been the case since 2016 de facto, and Team O--which has been mostly Kane. Kane of course can't do it all by himself, so the trend this year is that the 'hawks win when they get secondary and tertiary scoring--as long as it's a typical night for the goaltending (meaning brick-wall mode). The Team D, as it has been since 2016, is a complete write-off. Thus, I agree with the " 3 in a row" (we have the isles, jackets, and flames in our pocket...before that the devils embarrassed the whole team). The team this year lives and dies by secondary scoring and all it takes is someone going cold and then were losing games <pick a number>-1. The fact is we got a -226 shot differential at the halfway point with 36.3 SA/GP. That's bad. It bodes poorly for possession, shot suppression, and the level the goalies have to play at *just* to tread water. Thus the only hope is outscoring the opponents. So yeah--someone else has to take a look at what we got, because the back-end game plan hasn't worked since the last cup--irrespective of coach. I'm not expecting any real change before 2023 unless the front office cleans house. |
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Post by shooter 61 on Jan 6, 2020 12:17:10 GMT -6
that is Stan's problem, Kelly finds us jems and Stan trades them away , until they get a new GM that trusts his scouts I can't see this getting any better, just look at this year, Perlini who was by no means lighting the lamp, but to not give him a chance to grow, we trade him and pay big for Nylander, when he has done nothing when given the chance,
I wish he would have at least let him play a few games with Strome and cat, then we could have had Johnny, Kane and either Saad or Kubalik , would have given us two good lines and two thirds of a third,
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Post by mvr on Jan 7, 2020 17:54:25 GMT -6
Hold your nose.
Can it really be true that Stan is negotiating on a long term deal with GUS --- three or four years at $4 plus million/year?
I am ok with a one or two year extension (given Gus' very low bargaining position right now), but there is no way I would consider any term longer than that.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 7, 2020 18:01:06 GMT -6
Hold your nose. Can it really be true that Stan is negotiating on a long term deal with GUS --- three or four years at $4 plus million/year? I am ok with a one or two year extension (given Gus' very low bargaining position right now), but there is no way I would consider any term longer than that. 1-2 years at 1.5 per would be at best he should offer. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 7, 2020 18:33:03 GMT -6
Hold your nose. Can it really be true that Stan is negotiating on a long term deal with GUS --- three or four years at $4 plus million/year? I am ok with a one or two year extension (given Gus' very low bargaining position right now), but there is no way I would consider any term longer than that. Sure it can be true,I called for a Gus re-do right after the Seabs debacle....my only surprise is it hasn't happened yet to be honest. How can a team ever part with a "gift from God"? |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 7, 2020 20:08:45 GMT -6
2/27
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these are your d pairings for the foreseeable future if this is true.
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Post by vadarx on Jan 7, 2020 20:09:57 GMT -6
Hold your nose. Can it really be true that Stan is negotiating on a long term deal with GUS --- three or four years at $4 plus million/year? I am ok with a one or two year extension (given Gus' very low bargaining position right now), but there is no way I would consider any term longer than that. I just threw up in my mouth a little. either trade him at the deadline or his rights at the draft for whatever you can get. Mitchell or DeHaan takes his spot next season. |
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Post by shooter61 on Jan 7, 2020 22:05:51 GMT -6
well dam it all
god dam Stan
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Post by shooter61 on Jan 7, 2020 22:06:29 GMT -6
Every time i look at this line up I get pissed off
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Post by BigT on Jan 8, 2020 21:33:54 GMT -6
well dam it all god dam Stan At some point, Stan is no longer to blame. The people that keep him employed are. He’ll keep screwing up as long as long as they let him. Yes he’s awful, but he should not be allowed to continue this insanity!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jan 9, 2020 12:07:57 GMT -6
well dam it all god dam Stan At some point, Stan is no longer to blame. The people that keep him employed are. He’ll keep screwing up as long as long as they let him. Yes he’s awful, but he should not be allowed to continue this insanity!!! If the 'hawks manage to actually make the playoffs, I could understand (even though I wholeheartedly wouldn't agree with) them keeping Stan on. If the 'hawks don't make the playoffs, there's literally no valid excuse not to can his ass--It was bad enough the the 'hawks didn't can both him and Q after 2018 and instead let them hide behind the Crawford is Injured excuse. I would be pissed (although not shocked) if he and JC tried to hide behind Seabrook/DeHaan/Shaw/Saad excuse. If McDonut is snowed by that? We're in for a few Pullfordian years ahead...and it'll be his fault. The only hope then is to hit Rocky in the pocketbook. |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 9, 2020 23:49:38 GMT -6
At some point, Stan is no longer to blame. The people that keep him employed are. He’ll keep screwing up as long as long as they let him. Yes he’s awful, but he should not be allowed to continue this insanity!!! If the 'hawks manage to actually make the playoffs, I could understand (even though I wholeheartedly wouldn't agree with) them keeping Stan on. If the 'hawks don't make the playoffs, there's literally no valid excuse not to can his ass--It was bad enough the the 'hawks didn't can both him and Q after 2018 and instead let them hide behind the Crawford is Injured excuse. I would be pissed (although not shocked) if he and JC tried to hide behind Seabrook/DeHaan/Shaw/Saad excuse. If McDonut is snowed by that? We're in for a few Pullfordian years ahead...and it'll be his fault. The only hope then is to hit Rocky in the pocketbook. on the hiding behind injuries, I fully expect that to be the case now with Strome also injured. I think that will be the story. that and the team not giving enough effort (which isn't necessarily false). it shouldn't keep SB from being fired, though. on the Rocky note, 4th most valuable franchise in the league, one of only 5 teams worth more than a billion dollars. sellout streak still continues. sadly, it is gonna be some years probably before his pocketbook feels any effects. .. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 10, 2020 9:02:14 GMT -6
“No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it”~ Albert Einstein.
I sure hope Rockwell is a fan of Al!!!
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Post by LordKOTL on Jan 10, 2020 9:25:36 GMT -6
If the 'hawks manage to actually make the playoffs, I could understand (even though I wholeheartedly wouldn't agree with) them keeping Stan on. If the 'hawks don't make the playoffs, there's literally no valid excuse not to can his ass--It was bad enough the the 'hawks didn't can both him and Q after 2018 and instead let them hide behind the Crawford is Injured excuse. I would be pissed (although not shocked) if he and JC tried to hide behind Seabrook/DeHaan/Shaw/Saad excuse. If McDonut is snowed by that? We're in for a few Pullfordian years ahead...and it'll be his fault. The only hope then is to hit Rocky in the pocketbook. on the hiding behind injuries, I fully expect that to be the case now with Strome also injured. I think that will be the story. that and the team not giving enough effort (which isn't necessarily false). it shouldn't keep SB from being fired, though. on the Rocky note, 4th most valuable franchise in the league, one of only 5 teams worth more than a billion dollars. sellout streak still continues. sadly, it is gonna be some years probably before his pocketbook feels any effects. .. ...and that's the problem. The positive thing is that unlike Crawford in 2018: None of Strome, DeHaan, Saad, Shaw, and Seabrook (neither individually nor collectively) were carrying the rest of the team's carcasses near the playoff line. When all of them were healthy (and even Lehner playing lights out), the team was below the bubble at best and bottom-feeder at worst, so there is a slight chance that the upper brass would see it as the team wasn't going anywhere, anyway; and that the injury excuse, much like a hippie, simply won't wash. That might just be enough to get the upper brass to see though their chemically-induced fog and realize that it's going to take fresh eyes on the personnel we got to make any changes--and Bowman the Lesser has got to go. I do agree that I think the excuse might come into play. I also agree that it shouldn't save JC or Bowman the Lesser's skin. We'll see though. With the way the 'hawks have been playing since de facto 2018 and with no real change in sight (i.e. new personnel, but same shit different game), I would think the sellout streak would be shaky-at-best. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 13, 2020 1:39:56 GMT -6
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Post by Tater on Jan 13, 2020 1:47:20 GMT -6
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Post by shooter61 on Jan 13, 2020 20:12:32 GMT -6
when strome, saad and then shaw,get back their is no reason why we couldn't put out 2 good lines, and a dam good third
88, 19 8
12,14,77
20,65,64/91//92--- just cause ya have to give him a chance
But you mark my words , we will see sikura,up there
Maybe even move Dach down to 3rd
untill shaw gets back think we will see kane down there too
posted this in the game thread but think it should go here
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Post by acesandeights on Jan 14, 2020 12:09:13 GMT -6
I still get a bit nervous when I think about when the trade deadline approaches and the Hawks maybe about where they are now; out of a playoff spot but still hanging around within shouting distance. And maybe they're on one of their decent streaks just before the deadline.
I fear Stan may become an optimist and think "let's make a playoff push", and might make move(s) that won't be for the long term interest of trying to build a contender. I hope not because I don't see the team going anywhere even if they did manage to get in as a late seed; they still give up more shots against than anyone else.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 14, 2020 17:11:16 GMT -6
How valid is Barstool sports? That made me throw up a little 🤢 I hope and pray that Rocky wakes up and lets Bowman go before he completely destroys this franchise. And especially before he gives Gus or Sikura contracts. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 14, 2020 17:34:56 GMT -6
How valid is Barstool sports? That made me throw up a little 🤢 I hope and pray that Rocky wakes up and lets Bowman go before he completely destroys this franchise. And especially before he gives Gus or Sikura contracts. I listen to Spittin Chiclits, I thing they’re quite honest and don’t wanna say things that aren’t true. They’re part of the Bar Stool Sports family. I’d have to think that it’s not Eklund. But maybe that person is? So I’m not sure at this point. I sure hope not. It would be the death knell for the franchise!!! |
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 15, 2020 16:39:24 GMT -6
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Post by tincup on Jan 15, 2020 17:50:15 GMT -6
Don’t think so. Another dman coming off shoulder surgery that isn’t that much of an upgrade to what we have now plus three more years. Time to live or die with what we have and what’s in the pipeline. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 18:04:28 GMT -6
Don’t think so. Another dman coming off shoulder surgery that isn’t that much of an upgrade to what we have now plus three more years. Time to live or die with what we have and what’s in the pipeline. That's a clear sign of Bowman seriously looking at trading for him! |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 15, 2020 18:16:51 GMT -6
Don’t think so. Another dman coming off shoulder surgery that isn’t that much of an upgrade to what we have now plus three more years. Time to live or die with what we have and what’s in the pipeline. yeah we don't need any more defensemen. time to embrace what we have on d and embrace what we are on offense and load up at wing if we are gonna be acquiring anyone.... imo, anyway |
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Post by tincup on Jan 15, 2020 19:01:22 GMT -6
Plus Smitty has two tonight. His worth has doubled! |
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Post by shooter61 on Jan 16, 2020 19:37:01 GMT -6
Would I ever love to see Turk slid in and take JC job
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 17, 2020 16:11:14 GMT -6
nhl.com have just named the Chicago Blackhawks as franchise of the decade. woot! woot! time to announce that SB and Mcdonut extension now.
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