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Post by mvr on Feb 24, 2024 10:48:15 GMT -6
Kane and Toews are no longer a part of the organization because they challenged Davidson about the direction of the franchise.
The general manager felt threatened by their continued presence.
Regardless of what anyone says, this is the reason, at least in my opinion. It is the only explanation that makes any real sense.
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 24, 2024 12:18:52 GMT -6
When you see Kane being defended by Leddy and Saad in the corner, just doesn't seem real.
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Post by 2old4this on Feb 26, 2024 13:19:27 GMT -6
Kane and Toews are no longer a part of the organization because they challenged Davidson about the direction of the franchise. The general manager felt threatened by their continued presence. Regardless of what anyone says, this is the reason, at least in my opinion. It is the only explanation that makes any real sense. Davidson wanted to get rid of everybody over the age of 26 or so. He wanted the draft picks. Your suggestion has merit, but it wasn't the main reason. IMHO. |
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Post by mvr on Feb 26, 2024 15:11:01 GMT -6
Kane and Toews are no longer a part of the organization because they challenged Davidson about the direction of the franchise. The general manager felt threatened by their continued presence. Regardless of what anyone says, this is the reason, at least in my opinion. It is the only explanation that makes any real sense. Davidson wanted to get rid of everybody over the age of 26 or so. He wanted the draft picks. Your suggestion has merit, but it wasn't the main reason. IMHO. Davidson received a late 2nd and mid-round pick for Kane. Based on the odds, neither likely will ever play in the NHL. The picks are candy-coated lottery picks to distract from the harsh decision to part with a franchise legend. Management wanted Kane and Toews gone because the star players represented a check on the new regime's authority. Detroit signed Kane to a very affordable short-term contract for this year. Likely he would have re-signed in Chicago gladly if management was willing to spend to the cap and assemble an NHL roster for this year. The player was not offered a contract. Davidson subtracted far more from last year's terrible roster (Domi, Kane, Toews, McCabe, Lafferty etc) than he added (Hall, Foligno, Perry etc). The injuries are part of the equation, sure, but this team was built to lose, and to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. Seeing Kane score the winning goal last night for the Winged Wheel was very sad. it will even worse next year if Toews signs with a contender such as Toronto. |
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Post by 2old4this on Feb 26, 2024 15:54:46 GMT -6
Seeing Kane score the winning goal last night for the Winged Wheel was very sad. Sad isn't a fact....it's an opinion. I saw a ton of Hawks fans expressing wild and delirious joy at being able to cheer for the Kaner one last time. IMHO, they outnumbered those who were sad by a wide margin. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 26, 2024 16:26:19 GMT -6
Davidson wanted to get rid of everybody over the age of 26 or so. He wanted the draft picks. Your suggestion has merit, but it wasn't the main reason. IMHO. Davidson received a late 2nd and mid-round pick for Kane. Based on the odds, neither likely will ever play in the NHL. The picks are candy-coated lottery picks to distract from the harsh decision to part with a franchise legend. Management wanted Kane and Toews gone because the star players represented a check on the new regime's authority. Detroit signed Kane to a very affordable short-term contract for this year. Likely he would have re-signed in Chicago gladly if management was willing to spend to the cap and assemble an NHL roster for this year. The player was not offered a contract. Davidson subtracted far more from last year's terrible roster (Domi, Kane, Toews, McCabe, Lafferty etc) than he added (Hall, Foligno, Perry etc). The injuries are part of the equation, sure, but this team was built to lose, and to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. Seeing Kane score the winning goal last night for the Winged Wheel was very sad. it will even worse next year if Toews signs with a contender such as Toronto. I’m gonna say Kane stays in Detroit, and Toews officially retires. They were talking on Zawaski last night about Toews. How no one has heard from him, and no word of him skating. So I doubt he ever plays again. That’s what they were saying. I don’t agree with spending to the cap ceiling “just cuz you got it”. There has to be a plan in place. However. With the cap space and injuries, plus the amount of free agents this team will have at seasons end. KD really should have looked for some help longer term. I’ve never been a fan of dumpster diving. Megna and Beavillier were nothing more than warm bodies. Also there’s the major injuries to Hall, AA. So they may never be the same again. So I’d like to see him make some lateral moves now, and in the off season. I’d like to see some of that. With some other help brought in. The cap space is there. No need for a repeat of this year!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 26, 2024 17:40:24 GMT -6
Davidson received a late 2nd and mid-round pick for Kane. Based on the odds, neither likely will ever play in the NHL. The picks are candy-coated lottery picks to distract from the harsh decision to part with a franchise legend. Management wanted Kane and Toews gone because the star players represented a check on the new regime's authority. Detroit signed Kane to a very affordable short-term contract for this year. Likely he would have re-signed in Chicago gladly if management was willing to spend to the cap and assemble an NHL roster for this year. The player was not offered a contract. Davidson subtracted far more from last year's terrible roster (Domi, Kane, Toews, McCabe, Lafferty etc) than he added (Hall, Foligno, Perry etc). The injuries are part of the equation, sure, but this team was built to lose, and to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. Seeing Kane score the winning goal last night for the Winged Wheel was very sad. it will even worse next year if Toews signs with a contender such as Toronto. I’m gonna say Kane stays in Detroit, and Toews officially retires. They were talking on Zawaski last night about Toews. How no one has heard from him, and no word of him skating. So I doubt he ever plays again. That’s what they were saying. I don’t agree with spending to the cap ceiling “just cuz you got it”. There has to be a plan in place. However. With the cap space and injuries, plus the amount of free agents this team will have at seasons end. KD really should have looked for some help longer term. I’ve never been a fan of dumpster diving. Megna and Beavillier were nothing more than warm bodies. Also there’s the major injuries to Hall, AA. So they may never be the same again. So I’d like to see him make some lateral moves now, and in the off season. I’d like to see some of that. With some other help brought in. The cap space is there. No need for a repeat of this year!!! in regard to saving cap space and The Plan, I believe KfC is following the Yzerplan: bottom out, get rid of all onerous contracts, accumulate numerous prospects, and accumulate cap space for when the time is right to spend it. the only thing I think KfC has done wrong so far is his lack of cap space use to add guys he can trade at the deadline (to add more picks/prospects). I think this continue to happen due to the pressure to start winning soon with 98 on the roster. I hope that it doesn't, but we will see. there should be no rush here, 98 or not. he needs to understand we are trying to build a team that will be a winner for the entire back half/two-thirds of his career and it going to take a little time. the first few seasons of his career might not see a ton of winning, but, if done right, after that he could/should see A LOT of winning... |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Feb 26, 2024 19:33:18 GMT -6
I’m gonna say Kane stays in Detroit, and Toews officially retires. They were talking on Zawaski last night about Toews. How no one has heard from him, and no word of him skating. So I doubt he ever plays again. That’s what they were saying. I don’t agree with spending to the cap ceiling “just cuz you got it”. There has to be a plan in place. However. With the cap space and injuries, plus the amount of free agents this team will have at seasons end. KD really should have looked for some help longer term. I’ve never been a fan of dumpster diving. Megna and Beavillier were nothing more than warm bodies. Also there’s the major injuries to Hall, AA. So they may never be the same again. So I’d like to see him make some lateral moves now, and in the off season. I’d like to see some of that. With some other help brought in. The cap space is there. No need for a repeat of this year!!! in regard to saving cap space and The Plan, I believe KfC is following the Yzerplan: bottom out, get rid of all onerous contracts, accumulate numerous prospects, and accumulate cap space for when the time is right to spend it. the only thing I think KfC has done wrong so far is his lack of cap space use to add guys he can trade at the deadline (to add more picks/prospects). I think this continue to happen due to the pressure to start winning soon with 98 on the roster. I hope that it doesn't, but we will see. there should be no rush here, 98 or not. he needs to understand we are trying to build a team that will be a winner for the entire back half/two-thirds of his career and it going to take a little time. the first few seasons of his career might not see a ton of winning, but, if done right, after that he could/should see A LOT of winning... Is the Yzerplan actually working? Detroit, perhaps, has a pretty good chance to make the playoffs this years, after many years of absences. However, in a couple of years, many of their "core" will start aging out. The Hawks certainly have a pretty wide window with Bedard, but as we have seen Bedard does not a whole team make. So, we'll see whether the Yzerplan is, in fact, the Wiser Plan. |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 26, 2024 19:51:31 GMT -6
in regard to saving cap space and The Plan, I believe KfC is following the Yzerplan: bottom out, get rid of all onerous contracts, accumulate numerous prospects, and accumulate cap space for when the time is right to spend it. the only thing I think KfC has done wrong so far is his lack of cap space use to add guys he can trade at the deadline (to add more picks/prospects). I think this continue to happen due to the pressure to start winning soon with 98 on the roster. I hope that it doesn't, but we will see. there should be no rush here, 98 or not. he needs to understand we are trying to build a team that will be a winner for the entire back half/two-thirds of his career and it going to take a little time. the first few seasons of his career might not see a ton of winning, but, if done right, after that he could/should see A LOT of winning... Is the Yzerplan actually working? Detroit, perhaps, has a pretty good chance to make the playoffs this years, after many years of absences. However, in a couple of years, many of their "core" will start aging out. The Hawks certainly have a pretty wide window with Bedard, but as we have seen Bedard does not a whole team make. So, we'll see whether the Yzerplan is, in fact, the Wiser Plan. what core? Larkin and Debrincat are 27 and 26, respectively. otherwise, their core of players are all still in their early 20's or even late teens. none of Perron, Kane, Chariot, etc are part of their core. they have one of the best young dmen in the league. the Athletic is doing their annual prospect pool ranking and they've reached the top 3 with no mention of the wangs yet (the 'hawks were 7th. cuz Bedard nor KK count). in other words, they have a bunch more coming still. their weaknesses, imo, are in net and their lack of a superstar type to be the face of the team. I dunno how they'll get a Bedard type, but they have Cossa and sharty turncoat Augustine in their system now and one of them is likely to be The Guy in a few years. we all better hope the Yzerplan is the way to go, because from I've seen, KfC is pretty much following what Stevie Y has done. the main difference is we are going to have a couple top top guys to build around, whereas the wangs have not, and having those players might necessitate speeding up the rebuild. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 27, 2024 9:04:37 GMT -6
Kane and Toews are no longer a part of the organization because they challenged Davidson about the direction of the franchise. The general manager felt threatened by their continued presence. Regardless of what anyone says, this is the reason, at least in my opinion. It is the only explanation that makes any real sense. You're right about one thing, that's your opinion. KDs been very clear from the start and Toews and Kane publicly said they didn't wanna be part of a rebuild. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 27, 2024 9:48:46 GMT -6
Kane and Toews are no longer a part of the organization because they challenged Davidson about the direction of the franchise. The general manager felt threatened by their continued presence. Regardless of what anyone says, this is the reason, at least in my opinion. It is the only explanation that makes any real sense. You're right about one thing, that's your opinion. KDs been very clear from the start and Toews and Kane publicly said they didn't wanna be part of a rebuild.I think many people forget this. If they didn't want to be a part of a rebuild, then what were we supposed to do? Force them? If the rumor was true that Kane was only willing to be traded to New York and say on waiving until the last minute, then I'm glad that KD got anything at all. |
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Post by mvr on Feb 27, 2024 11:42:35 GMT -6
Kane and Toews are no longer a part of the organization because they challenged Davidson about the direction of the franchise. The general manager felt threatened by their continued presence. Regardless of what anyone says, this is the reason, at least in my opinion. It is the only explanation that makes any real sense. You're right about one thing, that's your opinion. KDs been very clear from the start and Toews and Kane publicly said they didn't wanna be part of a rebuild. Kane said he waited for a phone call from Chicago (after the draft), and was surprised that it never came. These are his words, not mine. There are rebuilds, and then there are rebuilds. One approach involves keeping your star players while committing to a youth movement and focussing on the future (such as what LA is doing). A more extreme example is what Davidson is doing now which saves money while eliminating all potential threats. Former GM Bob Pulford basically did the same thing in the late 1970s; however, even he (despite his paranoia) did not have the cojones to give away the great Tony Esposito (despite rumours that he tried to replace him with Rogie Vachon). Unlike Davidson, Pulford's teams never tanked because Tony O kept the team reasonably competitive through the early 1980s until Doug Wilson, Bob Murray et al were ready to compete. Last year's team, however, was truly terrible, finishing third last. Davidson subtracted Kane, Toews, Domi, Lafferty, McCabe, C. Jones, Kharia and Stalock from that bottom feeder, replacing these veterans with two cap dumps (Foligno and Hall) and an aging fourth-liner (Perry). And you seriously argue that he is not deliberately tanking again? |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 27, 2024 13:12:55 GMT -6
Is the Yzerplan actually working? Detroit, perhaps, has a pretty good chance to make the playoffs this years, after many years of absences. However, in a couple of years, many of their "core" will start aging out. The Hawks certainly have a pretty wide window with Bedard, but as we have seen Bedard does not a whole team make. So, we'll see whether the Yzerplan is, in fact, the Wiser Plan. what core? Larkin and Debrincat are 27 and 26, respectively. otherwise, their core of players are all still in their early 20's or even late teens. none of Perron, Kane, Chariot, etc are part of their core. they have one of the best young dmen in the league. the Athletic is doing their annual prospect pool ranking and they've reached the top 3 with no mention of the wangs yet (the 'hawks were 7th. cuz Bedard nor KK count). in other words, they have a bunch more coming still. their weaknesses, imo, are in net and their lack of a superstar type to be the face of the team. I dunno how they'll get a Bedard type, but they have Cossa and sharty turncoat Augustine in their system now and one of them is likely to be The Guy in a few years. we all better hope the Yzerplan is the way to go, because from I've seen, KfC is pretty much following what Stevie Y has done. the main difference is we are going to have a couple top top guys to build around, whereas the wangs have not, and having those players might necessitate speeding up the rebuild. Dylan Larkin's coming off consecutive 30+ goal seasons,he's on pace for 36,he's a point-a-game playmaker now,he's an outstanding two-way and PK center and he wins well over 50% of his draws every year(54.4% this year and last).....we're gonna have a couple better than him.....do tell. We don't really even have one yet. I enjoy the type of game that both Kane and Bedard play but that Toews/Larkin-type of big two-way centers win cups! 21yro Lucas Raymond could easily end his 3rd season with 25/70 and I guess a 26yro winger who averages 34gls a year isn't a "top guy" either? No mention of the Wings at #3? That's cause they're at #4......... thehockeywriters.com/nhl-farm-system-rankings/The Athletic's 'pay-walled' or I'd have posted it. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Feb 27, 2024 13:24:51 GMT -6
Is the Yzerplan actually working? Detroit, perhaps, has a pretty good chance to make the playoffs this years, after many years of absences. However, in a couple of years, many of their "core" will start aging out. The Hawks certainly have a pretty wide window with Bedard, but as we have seen Bedard does not a whole team make. So, we'll see whether the Yzerplan is, in fact, the Wiser Plan. what core? Larkin and Debrincat are 27 and 26, respectively. otherwise, their core of players are all still in their early 20's or even late teens. none of Perron, Kane, Chariot, etc are part of their core. they have one of the best young dmen in the league. the Athletic is doing their annual prospect pool ranking and they've reached the top 3 with no mention of the wangs yet (the 'hawks were 7th. cuz Bedard nor KK count). in other words, they have a bunch more coming still. their weaknesses, imo, are in net and their lack of a superstar type to be the face of the team. I dunno how they'll get a Bedard type, but they have Cossa and sharty turncoat Augustine in their system now and one of them is likely to be The Guy in a few years. we all better hope the Yzerplan is the way to go, because from I've seen, KfC is pretty much following what Stevie Y has done. the main difference is we are going to have a couple top top guys to build around, whereas the wangs have not, and having those players might necessitate speeding up the rebuild. No one that I can see is in their late teens. Veleno, Seider, and Raymond are in their early 20's, more or less. I guess I was using the term "core" loosely, including the supporting cast, which may age out quickly. In any case, it seems like it was only yesterday, but the last cup Chicago won, Kane and Toews were 26/27; core D was late 20's or around 30, in the case of Keith. Now, not every teams follows the same template, but the gods of wining are fickle. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Feb 27, 2024 13:36:39 GMT -6
what core? Larkin and Debrincat are 27 and 26, respectively. otherwise, their core of players are all still in their early 20's or even late teens. none of Perron, Kane, Chariot, etc are part of their core. they have one of the best young dmen in the league. the Athletic is doing their annual prospect pool ranking and they've reached the top 3 with no mention of the wangs yet (the 'hawks were 7th. cuz Bedard nor KK count). in other words, they have a bunch more coming still. their weaknesses, imo, are in net and their lack of a superstar type to be the face of the team. I dunno how they'll get a Bedard type, but they have Cossa and sharty turncoat Augustine in their system now and one of them is likely to be The Guy in a few years. we all better hope the Yzerplan is the way to go, because from I've seen, KfC is pretty much following what Stevie Y has done. the main difference is we are going to have a couple top top guys to build around, whereas the wangs have not, and having those players might necessitate speeding up the rebuild. Dylan Larkin's coming off consecutive 30+ goal seasons,he's on pace for 36,he's a point-a-game playmaker now,he's an outstanding two-way and PK center and he wins well over 50% of his draws every year(54.4% this year and last).....we're gonna have a couple better than him.....do tell. We don't really even have one yet. I enjoy the type of game that both Kane and Bedard play but that Toews/Larkin-type of big two-way centers win cups! 21yro Lucas Raymond could easily end his 3rd season with 25/70 and I guess a 26yro winger who averages 34gls a year isn't a "top guy" either? No mention of the Wings at #3? That's cause they're at #4......... thehockeywriters.com/nhl-farm-system-rankings/The Athletic's 'pay-walled' or I'd have posted it. I thought the Wings looked like crap against the Hawks. I was not impressed. However, that could be explained by a bad attitude with regard to playing a very subpar team, despite the fact that they are desperate for points in trying to reach the playoffs. How a team would not come out full force with a good chance to get 2 points is way beyond me, but, then again, I truly do not understand the modern athlete's mentality 50% of the time. In general though, the Wings are a pretty decent team even with their deficiencies. Maybe they even have enough cap space to add some improvements to their squad. I don't follow them closely enough to know. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 27, 2024 13:42:03 GMT -6
You're right about one thing, that's your opinion. KDs been very clear from the start and Toews and Kane publicly said they didn't wanna be part of a rebuild.I think many people forget this. If they didn't want to be a part of a rebuild, then what were we supposed to do? Force them? If the rumor was true that Kane was only willing to be traded to New York and say on waiving until the last minute, then I'm glad that KD got anything at all. That was a few years ago when both said a total rebuild didn't interest them and why should it have after the team just added S Jones and MAF for 16.5M back in '2021'. The fact remains,neither player ever asked to be traded and Kane didn't have to waive at all but he went to NY on one leg so the team could get something and was still a jagoff for it.....right. 35yro Claude Giroux also gave his team only Fla as an accepted destination the year before yet the Flyers still fetched a return of a 1st a 3rd and outstanding young forward Owen Tippett......THAT's a return! Let's not forget this gem....."now that we got rid of his BF DeBrincat,maybe Kane will be pissed-off enough to waive/leave". He wasn't wanted here and not just by management. You're glad KD got anything at all and I'm glad KD got his disrespectful face rubbed in it Sunday myself. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 27, 2024 13:54:07 GMT -6
Dylan Larkin's coming off consecutive 30+ goal seasons,he's on pace for 36,he's a point-a-game playmaker now,he's an outstanding two-way and PK center and he wins well over 50% of his draws every year(54.4% this year and last).....we're gonna have a couple better than him.....do tell. We don't really even have one yet. I enjoy the type of game that both Kane and Bedard play but that Toews/Larkin-type of big two-way centers win cups! 21yro Lucas Raymond could easily end his 3rd season with 25/70 and I guess a 26yro winger who averages 34gls a year isn't a "top guy" either? No mention of the Wings at #3? That's cause they're at #4......... thehockeywriters.com/nhl-farm-system-rankings/The Athletic's 'pay-walled' or I'd have posted it. I thought the Wings looked like crap against the Hawks. I was not impressed. However, that could be explained by a bad attitude with regard to playing a very subpar team, despite the fact that they are desperate for points in trying to reach the playoffs. How a team would not come out full force with a good chance to get 2 points is way beyond me, but, then again, I truly do not understand the modern athlete's mentality 50% of the time. In general though, the Wings are a pretty decent team even with their deficiencies. Maybe they even have enough cap space to add some improvements to their squad. I don't follow them closely enough to know. Guess you missed the nationally televised,6-1 drubbing of St Louis the day before.....that's okay. That was a classic 'trap' game for the Wings who were going back-back and then had to sit and listen to that bullshit for two hours before the game and it was pretty much Chicago's PO game for the year.....Wings still won. |
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Post by 2old4this on Feb 27, 2024 13:57:28 GMT -6
! Let's not forget this gem....."now that we got rid of his BF DeBrincat,maybe Kane will be pissed-off enough to waive/leave". He wasn't wanted here and not just by management. You're glad KD got anything at all and I'm glad KD got his disrespectful face rubbed in it Sunday myself. LOL. |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 27, 2024 15:43:05 GMT -6
what core? Larkin and Debrincat are 27 and 26, respectively. otherwise, their core of players are all still in their early 20's or even late teens. none of Perron, Kane, Chariot, etc are part of their core. they have one of the best young dmen in the league. the Athletic is doing their annual prospect pool ranking and they've reached the top 3 with no mention of the wangs yet (the 'hawks were 7th. cuz Bedard nor KK count). in other words, they have a bunch more coming still. their weaknesses, imo, are in net and their lack of a superstar type to be the face of the team. I dunno how they'll get a Bedard type, but they have Cossa and sharty turncoat Augustine in their system now and one of them is likely to be The Guy in a few years. we all better hope the Yzerplan is the way to go, because from I've seen, KfC is pretty much following what Stevie Y has done. the main difference is we are going to have a couple top top guys to build around, whereas the wangs have not, and having those players might necessitate speeding up the rebuild. Dylan Larkin's coming off consecutive 30+ goal seasons,he's on pace for 36,he's a point-a-game playmaker now,he's an outstanding two-way and PK center and he wins well over 50% of his draws every year(54.4% this year and last).....we're gonna have a couple better than him.....do tell. We don't really even have one yet. I enjoy the type of game that both Kane and Bedard play but that Toews/Larkin-type of big two-way centers win cups! 21yro Lucas Raymond could easily end his 3rd season with 25/70 and I guess a 26yro winger who averages 34gls a year isn't a "top guy" either? No mention of the Wings at #3? That's cause they're at #4......... thehockeywriters.com/nhl-farm-system-rankings/The Athletic's 'pay-walled' or I'd have posted it. I gotta tell ya, Bob, I'm not 100 on why you seem to be jumping on me here when I was defending the idea that the wangs were going to be good for a long while... because I suggested that the wangs don't have a Bedard level player on their team? Larks is awesome and I've always been bummed that he ended up on the wangs, but I'm not sure he is a superstar. same with Debrincat. both great players who could be big pieces for Cup winners, but neither is The Guy. at no point did I say we had better centers than Larkin. we are years behind detroit in the rebuilding process. as far as Raymond goes, he is in the same vein as the previously mentioned forwards, good piece but not the star. there is a reason the wangs have improved so much since 88 got there, they needed a superstar to take them to the next level. Seider is really good (although I'm not sure he is top pp, Hedman-level good, yet). the point you highlighted that I was making is more easily explained when comparing Yzerman's previous team to his current one: where is Kucherov? they've got guys like Point and Stammer (to a lesser extent, for sure), but they don't have a guy that might win an Art Ross. maybe their Vasilevskiy is on the way, but in how many years? that is what I was stating as my concern, will they be able to get the guy that is on video game covers and TV commercials? the guy that is the straw that stirs the drink, ya know? could they win the Cup without that player? maybe so, but as we've seen year after year, it seems like that happens much less often than a team with a superstar on it. even Vegas had Eichel last year. also, your linking their prospect pool ranking with the hockey writers further proved my point. I said they hadn't appeared anywhere yet because they had yet to announce their ranking, ie, they are going to be near or at the top of the list. today's edition were the Sharks, who are ranked 4th, meaning the wangs will be in the top 3 in another publication to go along with the #4 ranking you posted here. long story short, the wangs are going to be good for a long while here. the question for me is how good will they end up being? |
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Post by mvr on Feb 27, 2024 18:45:04 GMT -6
I think many people forget this. If they didn't want to be a part of a rebuild, then what were we supposed to do? Force them? If the rumor was true that Kane was only willing to be traded to New York and say on waiving until the last minute, then I'm glad that KD got anything at all. That was a few years ago when both said a total rebuild didn't interest them and why should it have after the team just added S Jones and MAF for 16.5M back in '20'21'. The fact remains,neithe player ever asked to be traded and Kane didn't have to waive at all but he went to NY on one leg so the team could get something and was still a jagoff for it.....right. 35yro Claude Giroux also gave his team only Fla as an accepted destination the year before yet the Flyers still fetched a return of a 1st a 3rd and outstanding young forward Owen Tippett......THAT's a return! Let's not forget this gem....."now that we got rid of his BF DeBrincat,maybe Kane will be pissed-off enough to waive/leave". He wasn't wanted here and not just by management. You're glad KD got anything at all and I'm glad KD got his disrespectful face rubbed in it Sunday myself. Kane maintained just enough self-control not to flip the bird to Chicago's management team as he did his skate-around in celebration following the overtime goal. But it seemed quite clear what was going through his head. I was thinking much the same thing. What a shame.........I would have loved to have seen him score the goal against the visitors as he had done so many times before. Is Kane just about done? I don't think so. Is Toews? We shall see (but sadly, if he does lace them up again it won't be here given the present general manager's insecurities). |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 27, 2024 23:41:41 GMT -6
i'm shocked these guys have 974,000 followers on twitter. (sorry....gotta' click on it to open it) x.com/RocAndManuch/status/1762494184525873603?s=20oops...read it wrong, it's just 974 followers. honestly? i don't give a shit what anyone on these boards thinks one way or the other. i'm sure most of us here realize there is some degree of merit on both sides of the arguement....but to have a podcast yet have such an uninformed one-angle opinion? ok...a quick search tells me these clowns are out of phoenix. enough said. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 28, 2024 13:30:58 GMT -6
Dylan Larkin's coming off consecutive 30+ goal seasons,he's on pace for 36,he's a point-a-game playmaker now,he's an outstanding two-way and PK center and he wins well over 50% of his draws every year(54.4% this year and last).....we're gonna have a couple better than him.....do tell. We don't really even have one yet. I enjoy the type of game that both Kane and Bedard play but that Toews/Larkin-type of big two-way centers win cups! 21yro Lucas Raymond could easily end his 3rd season with 25/70 and I guess a 26yro winger who averages 34gls a year isn't a "top guy" either? No mention of the Wings at #3? That's cause they're at #4......... thehockeywriters.com/nhl-farm-system-rankings/The Athletic's 'pay-walled' or I'd have posted it. I gotta tell ya, Bob, I'm not 100 on why you seem to be jumping on me here when I was defending the idea that the wangs were going to be good for a long while... because I suggested that the wangs don't have a Bedard level player on their team? Larks is awesome and I've always been bummed that he ended up on the wangs, but I'm not sure he is a superstar. same with Debrincat. both great players who could be big pieces for Cup winners, but neither is The Guy. at no point did I say we had better centers than Larkin. we are years behind detroit in the rebuilding process. as far as Raymond goes, he is in the same vein as the previously mentioned forwards, good piece but not the star. there is a reason the wangs have improved so much since 88 got there, they needed a superstar to take them to the next level. Seider is really good (although I'm not sure he is top pp, Hedman-level good, yet). the point you highlighted that I was making is more easily explained when comparing Yzerman's previous team to his current one: where is Kucherov? they've got guys like Point and Stammer (to a lesser extent, for sure), but they don't have a guy that might win an Art Ross. maybe their Vasilevskiy is on the way, but in how many years? that is what I was stating as my concern, will they be able to get the guy that is on video game covers and TV commercials? the guy that is the straw that stirs the drink, ya know? could they win the Cup without that player? maybe so, but as we've seen year after year, it seems like that happens much less often than a team with a superstar on it. even Vegas had Eichel last year. also, your linking their prospect pool ranking with the hockey writers further proved my point. I said they hadn't appeared anywhere yet because they had yet to announce their ranking, ie, they are going to be near or at the top of the list. today's edition were the Sharks, who are ranked 4th, meaning the wangs will be in the top 3 in another publication to go along with the #4 ranking you posted here. long story short, the wangs are going to be good for a long while here. the question for me is how good will they end up being? I only listed player's stats and ages,and a link to a prospect pool rating I found,I didn't intend anything personal and I apologize if I came across that way. We can disagree what a superstar is or who has the right 'Guy',that's more than okay. Kane was 'The Guy' filling the net and the highlight reels here and he earned the 'Showtime' moniker when it mattered most....the PO's,but it was JT doing battle with,outplaying and shutting down his counterparts(with a lotta help from Big Hoss) that made the difference in a lot of series. I therefore think JT was every bit 'The Guy' and Larkin's all-around game is very similar IMO. How many 6'1" 200lb,30+ goal scoring,40+ assist,solid two-way and PK,54%FO centers are there in the league? DeBrincat's averages 36gls per for his career,he's had two @40+ and one that was one pace for 50+ before Covid shut it down,he has as many or more helpers than goals these days and he's about to play his seventh consecutive season w/o missing a single game to injury.......the kid answers the friggin' bell. I'm not sure what more 'The Cat' has to do to be considered a superstar or 'The Guy',but if you said prove it in the PO's......I'd agree. Lucas Raymond's on pace for 24/70+ after two solid seasons,I wouldn't consider him a superstar either,but I'm sure you'd agree he has a lot of room to improve at 21! Seider has the size and reach to go along with good skating ability,his play in his own end is top-pair worthy,he's developing a little snarl,he's a steady 40-50pt producer,good penalty killer and durable as hell,playing em ALL his first three years. Certainly the 'potential' and the 'blueprint' for a true #1 large-framed,right shot D-man at only 22. If your point is Detroit hasn't had lottery luck resulting in any #1 over-all picks,it's well taken. Stevie Y DID have that lottery luck in TB when he got Stamkos as a #1 O/A and Hedman @#2 but he found Kucherov @#28 and Point @#59 and Sergachev in a JIM DANDY of a trade. Does anybody's system have a Stamkos,a Point,a Kucherov,a Hedman or a Vasilevskiy? Great,young players still enter the league just about every year and having highly rated prospect pools like the Hawks and Wings do have to help the odds. |
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Post by 2old4this on Apr 2, 2024 8:43:27 GMT -6
Yesterday saw the return of "Showtime", as Kaner nailed a shot skating away from the net on the right side. It's gonna be on all the recaps of the game, plays of the week, and probably plays of the year. Try and catch it. Maybe someone can find a replay somewhere and post it here.
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 2, 2024 8:56:35 GMT -6
Yesterday saw the return of "Showtime", as Kaner nailed a shot skating away from the net on the right side. It's gonna be on all the recaps of the game, plays of the week, and probably plays of the year. Try and catch it. Maybe someone can find a replay somewhere and post it here. the man's always had a great backhand. on his way to his 16th twenty goal (or more) season. only once has he failed to hit 20 goals...he had 15 goals (and 66 assists) in the 56 games he played in the covid shortened season of 20/21. |
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Post by 2old4this on Apr 2, 2024 9:53:01 GMT -6
Yesterday saw the return of "Showtime", as Kaner nailed a shot skating away from the net on the right side. It's gonna be on all the recaps of the game, plays of the week, and probably plays of the year. Try and catch it. Maybe someone can find a replay somewhere and post it here. the man's always had a great backhand. on his way to his 16th twenty goal (or more) season. only once has he failed to hit 20 goals...he had 15 goals (and 66 assists) in the 56 games he played in the covid shortened season of 20/21. Ask and ye shall receive! Thanks, GT. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 2, 2024 12:16:23 GMT -6
88 can quit scoring for a couple weeks here. I think he's shown his worth for the free agency market this summer, he can let the wangs fall out of the playoff race now...
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Post by Granada on Apr 2, 2024 12:34:48 GMT -6
88 can quit scoring for a couple weeks here. I think he's shown his worth for the free agency market this summer, he can let the wangs fall out of the playoff race now... Preach, Vadar. I don't like rooting for Washington and Ovechkin's current record endeavor, but if I have to pick, I'd chose that over the Wangs. Fuck Detroit. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 2, 2024 14:21:46 GMT -6
88 can quit scoring for a couple weeks here. I think he's shown his worth for the free agency market this summer, he can let the wangs fall out of the playoff race now... Preach, Vadar. I don't like rooting for Washington and Ovechkin's current record endeavor, but if I have to pick, I'd chose that over the Wangs. Fuck Detroit. indeed. 88 has carried them, too. they're shit when he doesn't play. I'd be looking to cash in or get in with a team that is closer this summer if I were him. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 2, 2024 14:44:28 GMT -6
TB's on a 10-2-1 stretch of hockey after adding Duclair and Dumba for a 3rd and a 7th(they also got a 7th back),and with their loss to Det last night,still with a strong grip on the 1st WC spot though. Tort's rant filled,five game losing streak actually has the Flyers behind the Caps for 3rd in the Met and behind the Wings for the last WC spot by P% at the moment... www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/flyers-hc-tortorella-fires-shots-in-fedotov-s-debut-soft-embarrassing/ar-BB1kXvY2 With no Hawks' PO hockey on the horizon for a while,I'd enjoy watching Kane,Cat,Hagel and Strome all make it,advancing would be another story but who knows. And,since none of em left for more $$$ through free agency,asked to be traded or bad-mouthed the team after they were,I wish em all well. |
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Post by 2old4this on Apr 2, 2024 15:43:22 GMT -6
We seem to be drifting away from the original thread subject....Paddy Kane.
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