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Post by 2old4this on Jan 1, 2024 17:56:03 GMT -6
Kane: 3 Cups as a Blackhawk Chelios: 0 Cups as a Blackhawk, 2 as a wang, both of which were paraded around the city as if we should be happy for him. mystery solved. Chelios didn't have any say as to the roster, it's not his fault dollar Bill didn't want to pay any of his star players. So no, NOT MYSTERY solved. If you guys think Chelios is a POS, so you should with Kane. Otherwise they both should be celebrated for what they brought to the team. Chelios was the team captain, Kane couldn't get an A on his jersey until late in his Chicago career, mostly because for many of those years he didn't play much defense. Did he have a great career in Chicago? Yes. Did Chelios? Again, Yes!
As for parading the Cup around Chicago......Chelios was born and raised in Chicago. What does every other player who ever lifted the Cup do? Figure out a remote island where nobody knows what hockey is and parade the Cup? He brought it HOME like every other NHL player who's name is on the cup did.
Why don't you just sign in? Everybody knows who you are anyway. BTW, your thoughts on Chelios are right on. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 2, 2024 13:48:02 GMT -6
#1 Neither Kane or Chelios asked to be traded.
#2 NOBODY was givin' up a 1st round pick for 2-3 months of a one-legged Patrick Kane......period! Not shutting it down in Feb/March and getting the procedure then was a 'favor' and that 'favor' very well might have been NY's 1st but Florida had a wheelbarrow full of 'Balls' in last year's PO's and the Rags just had 'Low-T'.
#3 The Hawks' young GM made it perfectly clear Kane wasn't wanted here for any $$$ or term............ALL bets are off at that point!
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Post by guest on Jan 2, 2024 15:40:14 GMT -6
#1 Neither Kane or Chelios asked to be traded. #2 NOBODY was givin' up a 1st round pick for 2-3 months of a one-legged Patrick Kane......period! Not shutting it down in Feb/March and getting the procedure then was a 'favor' and that 'favor' very well might have been NY's 1st but Florida had a wheelbarrow full of 'Balls' in last year's PO's and the Rags just had 'Low-T'. #3 The Hawks' young GM made it perfectly clear Kane wasn't wanted here for any $$$ or term............ALL bets are off at that point! Where did I say Kane asked to be traded? What I said was he made it public he would only accept a trade to the Rangers. And once that came out, I agree with you.....the Rangers weren't going to give up much of anything to get him. Why should they when they knew it was the Rangers or nobody? Throw in several teams trying to get Kane, and the return would have been more. When teams are desperate to get a player to put them over the top, they often overpay. Kane made sure the Rangers wouldn't have to when he went public he wouldn't play anywhere else.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jan 2, 2024 17:48:57 GMT -6
#1 Neither Kane or Chelios asked to be traded. #2 NOBODY was givin' up a 1st round pick for 2-3 months of a one-legged Patrick Kane......period! Not shutting it down in Feb/March and getting the procedure then was a 'favor' and that 'favor' very well might have been NY's 1st but Florida had a wheelbarrow full of 'Balls' in last year's PO's and the Rags just had 'Low-T'. #3 The Hawks' young GM made it perfectly clear Kane wasn't wanted here for any $$$ or term............ALL bets are off at that point! Where did I say Kane asked to be traded? What I said was he made it public he would only accept a trade to the Rangers. And once that came out, I agree with you.....the Rangers weren't going to give up much of anything to get him. Why should they when they knew it was the Rangers or nobody? Throw in several teams trying to get Kane, and the return would have been more. When teams are desperate to get a player to put them over the top, they often overpay. Kane made sure the Rangers wouldn't have to when he went public he wouldn't play anywhere else.
Kane was doing what made sense for him, which is perfectly understandable. The Hawks were not going to resign him and wanted to trade him. Kane wanted to be traded to the place that made sense for him. That is how it should be: both parties are looking to do what's best for them. Anything else would be what's called an asymmetry of norms, which is when it's presumed that the employer should act in their business interests but the employee has to adhere to some moral framework. This is business. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 3, 2024 12:25:38 GMT -6
#1 Neither Kane or Chelios asked to be traded. #2 NOBODY was givin' up a 1st round pick for 2-3 months of a one-legged Patrick Kane......period! Not shutting it down in Feb/March and getting the procedure then was a 'favor' and that 'favor' very well might have been NY's 1st but Florida had a wheelbarrow full of 'Balls' in last year's PO's and the Rags just had 'Low-T'. #3 The Hawks' young GM made it perfectly clear Kane wasn't wanted here for any $$$ or term............ALL bets are off at that point! Where did I say Kane asked to be traded? What I said was he made it public he would only accept a trade to the Rangers. And once that came out, I agree with you.....the Rangers weren't going to give up much of anything to get him. Why should they when they knew it was the Rangers or nobody? Throw in several teams trying to get Kane, and the return would have been more. When teams are desperate to get a player to put them over the top, they often overpay. Kane made sure the Rangers wouldn't have to when he went public he wouldn't play anywhere else.
I agree with you.......the Rangers or anybody else weren't going to give-up much for a 35yro,one legged player coming off the worst season of his career. 35yro Claude Giroux brought a 1st and Owen Tippett in return from his only accepted destination(Fla) the summer before,was that because Phily had a better GM or because Giroux was healthy? |
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Post by 2old4this on Jan 15, 2024 0:29:32 GMT -6
Patrick Kane left his game today with a lower body injury. No further information was forthcoming. Gotta hope it wasn't related to his hip surgery.
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Post by nighbor on Jan 15, 2024 0:46:17 GMT -6
Patrick Kane left his game today with a lower body injury. No further information was forthcoming. Gotta hope it wasn't related to his hip surgery. The highlights showed him taking a hard hit into the boards. |
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Post by Hockey is great on Jan 15, 2024 7:54:09 GMT -6
Hopefully Kane is ok
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Post by BigT on Jan 15, 2024 10:53:51 GMT -6
Kaner is currently 121 back of Modano’s record. I hope he’s ok, and can get to within 80’points of Modano this year. It would be possible to get the record next season. He’s only 35. So it is possible. If his corpus can hold up!!!
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 15, 2024 12:31:22 GMT -6
Patrick Kane left his game today with a lower body injury. No further information was forthcoming. Gotta hope it wasn't related to his hip surgery. are hips considered lower-body? (serious question) always get confused with these broad injury reports from the NHL. |
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Post by steamer on Jan 15, 2024 12:36:13 GMT -6
Patrick Kane left his game today with a lower body injury. No further information was forthcoming. Gotta hope it wasn't related to his hip surgery. are hips considered lower-body? (serious question) always get confused with these broad injury reports from the NHL. Don’t know for certain but think the waist is the dividing line and if so, hip would be lower body. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 16, 2024 23:36:34 GMT -6
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Feb 22, 2024 6:29:42 GMT -6
Hey Bob, so I would really like your take on this. Pat Kane said last summer, and I am semi quoting this, if he was approached by management about finishing his career in Chicago he most likely would’ve stayed a Hawk for the remainder of his career. Do you buy that, or do you think he was saying that because know one was approaching him about signing a contract? I don’t want to get into what could of been or should of been, but I think part of me as much as KD is doing a good job feels he dropped the ball on this one. Kane and Toews(yes his medical history posed a huge problem) could of really helped the kids. Even if Kaner played on this years team, they would still be near the bottom for the potential of a top 5 pick. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 22, 2024 7:45:57 GMT -6
Hey Bob, so I would really like your take on this. Pat Kane said last summer, and I am semi quoting this, if he was approached by management about finishing his career in Chicago he most likely would’ve stayed a Hawk for the remainder of his career. Do you buy that, or do you think he was saying that because know one was approaching him about signing a contract? I don’t want to get into what could have been or should have been, but I think part of me as much as KD is doing a good job feels he dropped the ball on this one. Kane and Toews(yes his medical history posed a huge problem) could have really helped the kids. Even if Kaner played on this years team, they would still be near the bottom for the potential of a top 5 pick. I’m definitely not Bob, but I’ll chime in for a second. My boy had a game in Detroit the day Kane made those comments. It was early December I believe. But this year has been a whirlwind. Anyways, after Kaner signed in Detroit, like right after. He had an interview saying he was hanging on to hope that the Hawks would at least call. Even if nothing came of it, he would a liked to at least hear from them. He said he was open to staying there. With that said. My opinion. The Hawks roster is much worse than all of us thought. Hawks have enough draft fodder. And have 4 first rounders in the next two drafts. Just fuckin sign Kane. The pp would be unbelievable. I’ve changed my tune on that front. Chances are AA and Hall will be shit once coming back from those injuries. Or not very productive. They owe it to Bedard. Time has passed. Kane nor Toews are stealing the kids thunder. But imagine the numbers the kid will put up having Kaner saucing biscuits to him? The Hawks need help, rushing prospects will not help. I’m sure Kane will sign a one year deal and take it from there. Nik Lidstrom signed 3 contracts his last 3 years. Just took her year by year. Do the same with Kane. Let him come home to finish off that gawd dam record!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 22, 2024 9:31:12 GMT -6
Hey Bob, so I would really like your take on this. Pat Kane said last summer, and I am semi quoting this, if he was approached by management about finishing his career in Chicago he most likely would’ve stayed a Hawk for the remainder of his career. Do you buy that, or do you think he was saying that because know one was approaching him about signing a contract? I don’t want to get into what could of been or should of been, but I think part of me as much as KD is doing a good job feels he dropped the ball on this one. Kane and Toews(yes his medical history posed a huge problem) could of really helped the kids. Even if Kaner played on this years team, they would still be near the bottom for the potential of a top 5 pick. Well I'm definitely not BigT either and I couldn't have summed it up any better than he did. As he mentioned,Kane wouldn't have stolen Bedard's thunder,he would have helped it become a thunderstorm! A big,tough bastard like Foligno on that line too? When's the last time Kane had a big tough bastard on his line? I watch a LOT of other teams and every dammed one of em either have former star players in the booth,between the benches,behind the benches or in the FO. Danny and his young GM see NO value in any association with former star players what soever,even Edzo had to go. |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 22, 2024 13:27:04 GMT -6
I still have no issues with what happened with 88, tbh, and I think they handled 19 about as well as they could. with Tazer, someone had to make the tough decision there. he never wanted to hang em up in Chicago, but his body needed him to.
I think that I agree with Big-T, though. enough time has passed that bringing back 88 next season wouldn't be an issue. the fans would love having him back (and not playing for a hated rival) and he and 98 would be a helluva combo for a season or two. plus, you can see the growth already in 98 just from the beginning of the season. this is his team now.
I don't see it happening, though.
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Post by BigT on Feb 23, 2024 6:37:09 GMT -6
I watched the Winged Wheel game last night vs the Avs. The wings won in OT 2-1. Kane got the winner. He looked really good in the game. Really good.
Kane seems to be back 💯. So I’m back on the sign Kane wagon. None of the fill here is gonna help that much. At the current pace of the rebuild, the team will take another 4-5 years before playoffs is relevant. We’ve seen with Reichel that it doesn’t always pan out. Not giving up on him. But it’s definitely not going as planned.
At some point here soon. They’ve gotta get some real help. Can’t let Bedard play with scraps for 5 years. I get it, this year is over. Hawks get a good pick, and have a ton of other picks. Plus 2 more first rounders next year. Hall will be washed up next year. At 33 he won’t do too much coming off of major knee surgery. He didn’t do much in his little bit of time this year. AA may never be the same. The don’t know if Signing Kane to a one or two year deal steals anyone’s thunder, and I’m sure Kane will do nothing but promote the kid. As for the dressing room, I think there’s really no one around anymore to take away the “organic” growth of the kids in there. Kane knows what his role is now. And if anything, he bough time has passed for him not to usurp the new king. I think another year of being on the bottom will really set things backwards as everyone will be questioning whether KD has a clue what he’s doing. Imagine if he didn’t get Bedard? How much worse would this look? The team has gotta be better next year. And i believe Kane makes them better and buys time till the kids are ready.
Also, Celebrini has said that no matter where he’s picked. He’s leaning towards staying at Boston. And I’d think just about everyone else in the draft may not make it either. So there’s no immediate help coming from the draft this year!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 23, 2024 7:02:22 GMT -6
I watched the Winged Wheel game last night vs the Avs. The wings won in OT 2-1. Kane got the winner. He looked really good in the game. Really good. Kane seems to be back 💯. So I’m back on the sign Kane wagon. None of the fill here is gonna help that much. At the current pace of the rebuild, the team will take another 4-5 years before playoffs is relevant. We’ve seen with Reichel that it doesn’t always pan out. Not giving up on him. But it’s definitely not going as planned. At some point here soon. They’ve gotta get some real help. Can’t let Bedard play with scraps for 5 years. I get it, this year is over. Hawks get a good pick, and have a ton of other picks. Plus 2 more first rounders next year. Hall will be washed up next year. At 33 he won’t do too much coming off of major knee surgery. He didn’t do much in his little bit of time this year. AA may never be the same. The don’t know if Signing Kane to a one or two year deal steals anyone’s thunder, and I’m sure Kane will do nothing but promote the kid. As for the dressing room, I think there’s really no one around anymore to take away the “organic” growth of the kids in there. Kane knows what his role is now. And if anything, he bough time has passed for him not to usurp the new king. I think another year of being on the bottom will really set things backwards as everyone will be questioning whether KD has a clue what he’s doing. Imagine if he didn’t get Bedard? How much worse would this look? The team has gotta be better next year. And i believe Kane makes them better and buys time till the kids are ready. Also, Celebrini has said that no matter where he’s picked. He’s leaning towards staying at Boston. And I’d think just about everyone else in the draft may not make it either. So there’s no immediate help coming from the draft this year!!! If detroit makes the playoffs, Kane will not sign here, he will resign with the Wings. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 23, 2024 7:44:30 GMT -6
If he does. Good for him. Just echoing his comments from 2.5 months ago. He wants to be a Hawk. Things change. and I’m sure the Hawks could afford to overpay him. Give him a 1 year 8 million deal. And leave the door open for another!!!
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Feb 23, 2024 8:19:12 GMT -6
If he does. Good for him. Just echoing his comments from 2.5 months ago. He wants to be a Hawk. Things change. and I’m sure the Hawks could afford to overpay him. Give him a 1 year 8 million deal. And leave the door open for another!!! Hey T, Great comments on the Kane situation, do you believe not signing Kane had anything to do with him being apart of the team during the sexual abuse scandal and or Kane being part of Stan’s regime at the time? |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Feb 23, 2024 8:23:52 GMT -6
Hey Bob, so I would really like your take on this. Pat Kane said last summer, and I am semi quoting this, if he was approached by management about finishing his career in Chicago he most likely would’ve stayed a Hawk for the remainder of his career. Do you buy that, or do you think he was saying that because know one was approaching him about signing a contract? I don’t want to get into what could have been or should have been, but I think part of me as much as KD is doing a good job feels he dropped the ball on this one. Kane and Toews(yes his medical history posed a huge problem) could have really helped the kids. Even if Kaner played on this years team, they would still be near the bottom for the potential of a top 5 pick. I’m definitely not Bob, but I’ll chime in for a second. My boy had a game in Detroit the day Kane made those comments. It was early December I believe. But this year has been a whirlwind. Anyways, after Kaner signed in Detroit, like right after. He had an interview saying he was hanging on to hope that the Hawks would at least call. Even if nothing came of it, he would a liked to at least hear from them. He said he was open to staying there. With that said. My opinion. The Hawks roster is much worse than all of us thought. Hawks have enough draft fodder. And have 4 first rounders in the next two drafts. Just fuckin sign Kane. The pp would be unbelievable. I’ve changed my tune on that front. Chances are AA and Hall will be shit once coming back from those injuries. Or not very productive. They owe it to Bedard. Time has passed. Kane nor Toews are stealing the kids thunder. But imagine the numbers the kid will put up having Kaner saucing biscuits to him? The Hawks need help, rushing prospects will not help. I’m sure Kane will sign a one year deal and take it from there. Nik Lidstrom signed 3 contracts his last 3 years. Just took her year by year. Do the same with Kane. Let him come home to finish off that gawd dam record!!! Hey T, I know through the years since Kaner and Tazer were signed Bob has been a huge advocate of those 2, and after the comments I had read from Pat Kane, It ran through my mind that he definitely can’t be happy about that, knowing Kaner could still be here. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 23, 2024 10:08:00 GMT -6
If he does. Good for him. Just echoing his comments from 2.5 months ago. He wants to be a Hawk. Things change. and I’m sure the Hawks could afford to overpay him. Give him a 1 year 8 million deal. And leave the door open for another!!! Hey T, Great comments on the Kane situation, do you believe not signing Kane had anything to do with him being apart of the team during the sexual abuse scandal and or Kane being part of Stan’s regime at the time? I’ve steered away from that as much as I could. I’ve been on record here stating that I had heard, a long time before they were ever mentioned in it. That the org wanted anyone named in that report gone for good. And I believe the org has done just that. In that report and Beach’s interviews, he claims that not only did 19/88 know, but they ridiculed him. Now. I’m not being the social police here. If they did in fact do that. At 20/21. Do they not get a chance to say they’re sorry to him? And move on? I mean. We live in a society of 2nd chances. So, I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong. But I’ve said worse as a young man and didn’t have to worry about repercussions, cuz I wasn’t in the public eye. I think if anything. 19/88 reaching out to him, and saying they’re sorry may actually be great for the healing. I’m sure they’re not the same people they were at 20/21. Also, it does the team a disservice and the fans by just kicking these guys to the curb with no explanation. I personally would bring em both back now. I would have either as a captain or and A. Let them know their role, if not. Thank you for all that you did, and we’ll have a night in your honour. But I think everyone needs closure one way or another!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 23, 2024 11:21:29 GMT -6
I’m definitely not Bob, but I’ll chime in for a second. My boy had a game in Detroit the day Kane made those comments. It was early December I believe. But this year has been a whirlwind. Anyways, after Kaner signed in Detroit, like right after. He had an interview saying he was hanging on to hope that the Hawks would at least call. Even if nothing came of it, he would a liked to at least hear from them. He said he was open to staying there. With that said. My opinion. The Hawks roster is much worse than all of us thought. Hawks have enough draft fodder. And have 4 first rounders in the next two drafts. Just fuckin sign Kane. The pp would be unbelievable. I’ve changed my tune on that front. Chances are AA and Hall will be shit once coming back from those injuries. Or not very productive. They owe it to Bedard. Time has passed. Kane nor Toews are stealing the kids thunder. But imagine the numbers the kid will put up having Kaner saucing biscuits to him? The Hawks need help, rushing prospects will not help. I’m sure Kane will sign a one year deal and take it from there. Nik Lidstrom signed 3 contracts his last 3 years. Just took her year by year. Do the same with Kane. Let him come home to finish off that gawd dam record!!! Hey T, I know through the years since Kaner and Tazer were signed Bob has been a huge advocate of those 2, and after the comments I had read from Pat Kane, It ran through my mind that he definitely can’t be happy about that, knowing Kaner could still be here. I've had more than my say about the departure of all of my favorite Hawk players but I come to grips with it when I get to watch most of em thriving and enjoying their career's on their new teams. It takes a little channel surfin' but I'm a virtuoso with that remote now and I get familiar with a few more teams along the way while Danny and his millennials "take the game in a new direction". |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 23, 2024 12:09:13 GMT -6
Hey T, Great comments on the Kane situation, do you believe not signing Kane had anything to do with him being apart of the team during the sexual abuse scandal and or Kane being part of Stan’s regime at the time? I’ve steered away from that as much as I could. I’ve been on record here stating that I had heard, a long time before they were ever mentioned in it. That the org wanted anyone named in that report gone for good. And I believe the org has done just that. In that report and Beach’s interviews, he claims that not only did 19/88 know, but they ridiculed him. Now. I’m not being the social police here. If they did in fact do that. At 20/21. Do they not get a chance to say they’re sorry to him? And move on? I mean. We live in a society of 2nd chances. So, I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong. But I’ve said worse as a young man and didn’t have to worry about repercussions, cuz I wasn’t in the public eye. I think if anything. 19/88 reaching out to him, and saying they’re sorry may actually be great for the healing. I’m sure they’re not the same people they were at 20/21. Also, it does the team a disservice and the fans by just kicking these guys to the curb with no explanation. I personally would bring em both back now. I would have either as a captain or and A. Let them know their role, if not. Thank you for all that you did, and we’ll have a night in your honour. But I think everyone needs closure one way or another!!! Johnny might have worn the 'C' but weren't he and Kane the two youngest starting players on the squad then? Wasn't Big Hoss one of the game's greatest and highly respected veterans in any room? He remains beyond reproach,and rightly so because he did nothing wrong,but he also did nothing. Well respected veteran John Madden.....ditto. Veteran Brent Sopel? He was boisterous,indignant and pointed fingers once the story broke over a decade later but he did what the other veterans did at the time and what every other player and coach did. It only reflects poorly on the team's two youngest players at the time? Is there any doubt that Marian Hossa would be welcome with open arms by the Org if he decided to return stateside and wanted to be involved with coaching or a FO career? Wasn't the team's current Advisor,Hockey Operations,Brian Campbell a long tenured veteran in that '2010' locker room too? Jr gave his reasons when he publicly dis-invited both Kane and Toews back,let's take him at his word. Same reasons Kane will never come back but the team has it's 'ICON' and they'll honor him this weekend.....again...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhFYZPCdQH4Once was more than enough for me! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Feb 23, 2024 13:03:58 GMT -6
I’ve steered away from that as much as I could. I’ve been on record here stating that I had heard, a long time before they were ever mentioned in it. That the org wanted anyone named in that report gone for good. And I believe the org has done just that. In that report and Beach’s interviews, he claims that not only did 19/88 know, but they ridiculed him. Now. I’m not being the social police here. If they did in fact do that. At 20/21. Do they not get a chance to say they’re sorry to him? And move on? I mean. We live in a society of 2nd chances. So, I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong. But I’ve said worse as a young man and didn’t have to worry about repercussions, cuz I wasn’t in the public eye. I think if anything. 19/88 reaching out to him, and saying they’re sorry may actually be great for the healing. I’m sure they’re not the same people they were at 20/21. Also, it does the team a disservice and the fans by just kicking these guys to the curb with no explanation. I personally would bring em both back now. I would have either as a captain or and A. Let them know their role, if not. Thank you for all that you did, and we’ll have a night in your honour. But I think everyone needs closure one way or another!!! Johnny might have worn the 'C' but weren't he and Kane the two youngest starting players on the squad then? Wasn't Big Hoss one of the game's greatest and highly respected veterans in any room? He remains beyond reproach,and rightly so because he did nothing wrong,but he also did nothing. Well respected veteran John Madden.....ditto. Veteran Brent Sopel? He was boisterous,indignant and pointed fingers once the story broke over a decade later but he did what the other veterans did at the time and what every other player and coach did. It only reflects poorly on the team's two youngest players at the time? Is there any doubt that Marian Hossa would be welcome with open arms by the Org if he decided to return stateside and wanted to be involved with coaching or a FO career? Wasn't the team's current Advisor,Hockey Operations,Brian Campbell a long tenured veteran in that '2010' locker room too? Jr gave his reasons when he publicly dis-invited both Kane and Toews back,let's take him at his word. Same reasons Kane will never come back but the team has it's 'ICON' and they'll honor him this weekend.....again...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhFYZPCdQH4Once was more than enough for me! Classic CC telling the fans what to do. Lets not forget Frazier still working for the Hawks. KD learned from his mentor get rid of people who could threaten you had nothing to do with Beach. I am glad CC heard me at the first game. I will not boo Sunday but I will borrow one of my Daughters 88s and my woman will be proudly wearing her Seabrook jersey. Only shame is I will not be able to go down for warmups to let 88 know how much I appreciate him! This was not a Beach thing. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 23, 2024 13:22:27 GMT -6
I for one am not on the side of sewer Toews and Kane. I agreed last year that they needed a newer direction. I think the room now has Foligno as surrogate captain and Bedard is next in line. So would it really hurt the org to have say even both of them back? I see a team really hurting for help now, and I’m not sure it’s in anyone’s best interest to suffer like this again. If they add nothing but kids, it’ll more fun to watch, but same results. So why not take a Toews to play 60 games? Or Kane to break the record? It gives fans something to look forward too. If Cheli can come back after all the shit smearing he did (and some of it was justified), I don’t see why having Toews and Kane back would be that awful. Have they really dug a line in the sand that deep? Are they gonna shun them forever? Have to think that without the org exploiting everything those two did, they’d be a lot less rich because of it. And the league in general.
As for the Beach thing. Everyone fuckin knew. Everyone. It’d be a lot easier placing the blame at the feet of McCub. The org knew when they fired him. So to blame the younger kids on the team is shitty for all involved. They “Made this team Great Again”!!!
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Feb 24, 2024 7:08:42 GMT -6
I for one am not on the side of sewer Toews and Kane. I agreed last year that they needed a newer direction. I think the room now has Foligno as surrogate captain and Bedard is next in line. So would it really hurt the org to have say even both of them back? I see a team really hurting for help now, and I’m not sure it’s in anyone’s best interest to suffer like this again. If they add nothing but kids, it’ll more fun to watch, but same results. So why not take a Toews to play 60 games? Or Kane to break the record? It gives fans something to look forward too. If Cheli can come back after all the shit smearing he did (and some of it was justified), I don’t see why having Toews and Kane back would be that awful. Have they really dug a line in the sand that deep? Are they gonna shun them forever? Have to think that without the org exploiting everything those two did, they’d be a lot less rich because of it. And the league in general. As for the Beach thing. Everyone fuckin knew. Everyone. It’d be a lot easier placing the blame at the feet of McCub. The org knew when they fired him. So to blame the younger kids on the team is shitty for all involved. They “Made this team Great Again”!!! The one thing about the entire situation is when there is a Kane or Toews or for that matter any player from the 2010 team there will always be a direct correlation between the 2. My initial quote on Kaner coming back, was not directed at bringing up old memories, but again, as great as it will be to see Kane at the UC Sunday night one can never really forget what had transpired. Like Bowman, McCub, Q, Toews and Kane may always be synonymous with the whole Beach scandal regardless of there age. As the 2 corner pieces of the team, many on the outside don’t view the same sentiments as us Hawks fan. I personally believe, being my opinion and only my opinion that KD and Danny didn’t want any of that old regime around including past players. I agree 100% both those players did with others make the team great again, but that will always be the past, now we move on. A flow of memories and emotions will be on hand Sunday for past and present Hawks, I guess it’s time to live in the new moment with Bedard and company. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 24, 2024 8:56:15 GMT -6
I for one am not on the side of sewer Toews and Kane. I agreed last year that they needed a newer direction. I think the room now has Foligno as surrogate captain and Bedard is next in line. So would it really hurt the org to have say even both of them back? I see a team really hurting for help now, and I’m not sure it’s in anyone’s best interest to suffer like this again. If they add nothing but kids, it’ll more fun to watch, but same results. So why not take a Toews to play 60 games? Or Kane to break the record? It gives fans something to look forward too. If Cheli can come back after all the shit smearing he did (and some of it was justified), I don’t see why having Toews and Kane back would be that awful. Have they really dug a line in the sand that deep? Are they gonna shun them forever? Have to think that without the org exploiting everything those two did, they’d be a lot less rich because of it. And the league in general. As for the Beach thing. Everyone fuckin knew. Everyone. It’d be a lot easier placing the blame at the feet of McCub. The org knew when they fired him. So to blame the younger kids on the team is shitty for all involved. They “Made this team Great Again”!!! The one thing about the entire situation is when there is a Kane or Toews or for that matter any player from the 2010 team there will always be a direct correlation between the 2. My initial quote on Kaner coming back, was not directed at bringing up old memories, but again, as great as it will be to see Kane at the UC Sunday night one can never really forget what had transpired. Like Bowman, McCub, Q, Toews and Kane may always be synonymous with the whole Beach scandal regardless of there age. As the 2 corner pieces of the team, many on the outside don’t view the same sentiments as us Hawks fan. I personally believe, being my opinion and only my opinion that KD and Danny didn’t want any of that old regime around including past players. I agree 100% both those players did with others make the team great again, but that will always be the past, now we move on. A flow of memories and emotions will be on hand Sunday for past and present Hawks, I guess it’s time to live in the new moment with Bedard and company. I’ve said those exact same words my man. I agree. It’s a tragedy in many respects. I think the org went for the most visible people on the team and just ousted them. I actually heard from someone who works in the NHL that the Hawks are turning the page and that 19/88 will not be around. And that was almost 2 years ago. And look what happened. So I think it’s safe to say neither will be back. Maybe after 10-15 years they’ll bring em in for some celebration. But that depends. Anyways, it was good to see Duncan Keith at the game last night. My guess is the Oilers are looking at someone on the Hawks!!! |
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Post by mikeveisor on Feb 24, 2024 9:51:53 GMT -6
The one thing about the entire situation is when there is a Kane or Toews or for that matter any player from the 2010 team there will always be a direct correlation between the 2. My initial quote on Kaner coming back, was not directed at bringing up old memories, but again, as great as it will be to see Kane at the UC Sunday night one can never really forget what had transpired. Like Bowman, McCub, Q, Toews and Kane may always be synonymous with the whole Beach scandal regardless of there age. As the 2 corner pieces of the team, many on the outside don’t view the same sentiments as us Hawks fan. I personally believe, being my opinion and only my opinion that KD and Danny didn’t want any of that old regime around including past players. I agree 100% both those players did with others make the team great again, but that will always be the past, now we move on. A flow of memories and emotions will be on hand Sunday for past and present Hawks, I guess it’s time to live in the new moment with Bedard and company. I’ve said those exact same words my man. I agree. It’s a tragedy in many respects. I think the org went for the most visible people on the team and just ousted them. I actually heard from someone who works in the NHL that the Hawks are turning the page and that 19/88 will not be around. And that was almost 2 years ago. And look what happened. So I think it’s safe to say neither will be back. Maybe after 10-15 years they’ll bring em in for some celebration. But that depends. Anyways, it was good to see Duncan Keith at the game last night. My guess is the Oilers are looking at someone on the Hawks!!! I never thought Chelios would be back, and he obviously is. The team will need to bring both back at some point - I don't see either 19 or 88 being handed out to anyone else ever again. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 24, 2024 10:43:58 GMT -6
I for one am not on the side of sewer Toews and Kane. I agreed last year that they needed a newer direction. I think the room now has Foligno as surrogate captain and Bedard is next in line. So would it really hurt the org to have say even both of them back? I see a team really hurting for help now, and I’m not sure it’s in anyone’s best interest to suffer like this again. If they add nothing but kids, it’ll more fun to watch, but same results. So why not take a Toews to play 60 games? Or Kane to break the record? It gives fans something to look forward too. If Cheli can come back after all the shit smearing he did (and some of it was justified), I don’t see why having Toews and Kane back would be that awful. Have they really dug a line in the sand that deep? Are they gonna shun them forever? Have to think that without the org exploiting everything those two did, they’d be a lot less rich because of it. And the league in general. As for the Beach thing. Everyone fuckin knew. Everyone. It’d be a lot easier placing the blame at the feet of McCub. The org knew when they fired him. So to blame the younger kids on the team is shitty for all involved. They “Made this team Great Again”!!! The one thing about the entire situation is when there is a Kane or Toews or for that matter any player from the 2010 team there will always be a direct correlation between the 2. My initial quote on Kaner coming back, was not directed at bringing up old memories, but again, as great as it will be to see Kane at the UC Sunday night one can never really forget what had transpired. Like Bowman, McCub, Q, Toews and Kane may always be synonymous with the whole Beach scandal regardless of there age. As the 2 corner pieces of the team, many on the outside don’t view the same sentiments as us Hawks fan. I personally believe, being my opinion and only my opinion that KD and Danny didn’t want any of that old regime around including past players. I agree 100% both those players did with others make the team great again, but that will always be the past, now we move on. A flow of memories and emotions will be on hand Sunday for past and present Hawks, I guess it’s time to live in the new moment with Bedard and company. It's fair to point out K&T were the most famous,most recognizable and most highly-paid faces of the franchise,that alone makes it easy for the biased and the uninformed to associate them with the scandal more so than the other players on the roster at the time I guess. Their accomplishments,sacrifices and team leadership since apparently not withstanding. They were also the only two left. As far as Danny and the Jr's not wanting players from the old regime around,that went for Kane and Toews and even Edzo for some reason but Campbell and Fraser are both employed by the front office/hockey opps. Big Hoss seems to be held in high regard by the Org too after his well deserved jersey retirement and what sounded like an open invitation to join the coaching staff or FO if he desired. Just SOME of the players from the old regime. The reasons given by Jr for not wanting either cup winner back was some gibberish about young players not having a voice or developing properly with the two here. Totally ignoring the many good,young players who came-up with K&T over the years. Detroit's HC and locker room couldn't be happier with how signing Kane has worked-out so far. This ain't the first time soemone's suggested I'm living in the past if I take a moment for fond remembrance of Chicago's greatest hockey era ever and that's okay because they are fond memories for me. Is living in the "new moment" resurrecting Chris Chelios' tarnished reputation? Isn't living in the "new moment" really living in the future and what it promises? Retiring #7 for Chelios and Little Jaime's new criteria for jersey/number retirement means Brent Seabrook is shit outta luck since you can't retire a number twice and I wouldn't look for any other cup winner seeing the honor for years to come......YEARS. That'd be living in the past too. |
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