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Post by hawks27 on Jun 12, 2024 15:00:34 GMT -6
With Hall and AA both making healthy,triumphant returns next year,how much more top-six help would the team need? I know you're being facetious but this year is much different than last year. This team needs long-term top-six help. Kane (and Toews) would just be like the guys you just mentioned (Hall and AA): short-term band-aids. There is no difference between either group as far as health and futures with this team go. AA in no way is comparable to Toews or Kane. The guy can really skate fast, but he handles the puck like a live grenade. He should look into speed skating so he doesn't have to contend with that "slippery black thing" that seems to avoid his stick most of the time. |
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Post by Granada on Jun 13, 2024 7:14:30 GMT -6
I know you're being facetious but this year is much different than last year. This team needs long-term top-six help. Kane (and Toews) would just be like the guys you just mentioned (Hall and AA): short-term band-aids. There is no difference between either group as far as health and futures with this team go. AA in no way is comparable to Toews or Kane. The guy can really skate fast, but he handles the puck like a live grenade. He should look into speed skating so he doesn't have to contend with that "slippery black thing" that seems to avoid his stick most of the time. They're similar in the following ways: injury-prone, over 30, and only short-term options. I think you're missing the context of the conversation. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 13, 2024 10:27:34 GMT -6
I know you're being facetious but this year is much different than last year. This team needs long-term top-six help. Kane (and Toews) would just be like the guys you just mentioned (Hall and AA): short-term band-aids. There is no difference between either group as far as health and futures with this team go. AA in no way is comparable to Toews or Kane. The guy can really skate fast, but he handles the puck like a live grenade. He should look into speed skating so he doesn't have to contend with that "slippery black thing" that seems to avoid his stick most of the time. It looks like the new FO will entertain just about any old,injury-prone,short-term options except the two that salvaged the franchise their intitled asses work for! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 13, 2024 13:05:52 GMT -6
I'm not upset by this, to nobody's surprise I'm sure. It would have been nice to see him back, but I don't blame Davidson for wanting to move on and explore other options. At the end of the day, retreads never work. I'm glad we have a GM that is confident in his decisions and doesn't re-sign players he's jettisoned at the drop of a hat, like his predecessor. Even if Kane has a great year, he'd just be a band-aid. This team needs to focus on logical medium-to-long-term, top-six solutions. With Hall and AA both making healthy,triumphant returns next year,how much more top-six help would the team need? Can Hall, AA, Toews, or Kane be the ones to go into the front of the net, do the dirty work, win board battles, etc. for Bedard and Chevy? Over the course of the whole year? In my opinion: Hall, maybe. There might be better long-term options. Toews maybe, but he's not a long-term solution nor would I think he'd want to play Troy Brouwer at this point of his life--even though I think Toews would be nothing but good for those two from an experience/leadership level (assuming he'd want to). I think guys like Hall, AA, Foligno, etc. are not long-term solutions for the physical presence who can keep up with Bedard/Chevy which we need on the top line. To me, thy might be more 2nd line/3rd line players long-term. In a pinch they worked okay last year but I do think that's a need--as well as having a plan B, C, and D for Reichel if he fails again. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 14, 2024 7:49:41 GMT -6
With Hall and AA both making healthy,triumphant returns next year,how much more top-six help would the team need? Can Hall, AA, Toews, or Kane be the ones to go into the front of the net, do the dirty work, win board battles, etc. for Bedard and Chevy? Over the course of the whole year? In my opinion: Hall, maybe. There might be better long-term options. Toews maybe, but he's not a long-term solution nor would I think he'd want to play Troy Brouwer at this point of his life--even though I think Toews would be nothing but good for those two from an experience/leadership level (assuming he'd want to). I think guys like Hall, AA, Foligno, etc. are not long-term solutions for the physical presence who can keep up with Bedard/Chevy which we need on the top line. To me, thy might be more 2nd line/3rd line players long-term. In a pinch they worked okay last year but I do think that's a need--as well as having a plan B, C, and D for Reichel if he fails again. It'll have to be Hall and AA,the other two are 'persona non grata',we ought to get something for 10.4M. I don't think either one of us expects Patrick Kane to go to the net-front,do the dirty work or win a lotta board battles,it's never been his forte. What I would expect,is a massive benefit for Bedard. I'm not just referring to numbers/production either,I'm referring to proper development in his all-importnt first few years. Patrick Kane has more wisdom and insight on coming into the league as a smaller,18yro,eltie player to share than the entire Org combined IMO. That being said,I hope he ends-up with a contender. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 14, 2024 11:08:01 GMT -6
Can Hall, AA, Toews, or Kane be the ones to go into the front of the net, do the dirty work, win board battles, etc. for Bedard and Chevy? Over the course of the whole year? In my opinion: Hall, maybe. There might be better long-term options. Toews maybe, but he's not a long-term solution nor would I think he'd want to play Troy Brouwer at this point of his life--even though I think Toews would be nothing but good for those two from an experience/leadership level (assuming he'd want to). I think guys like Hall, AA, Foligno, etc. are not long-term solutions for the physical presence who can keep up with Bedard/Chevy which we need on the top line. To me, thy might be more 2nd line/3rd line players long-term. In a pinch they worked okay last year but I do think that's a need--as well as having a plan B, C, and D for Reichel if he fails again. It'll have to be Hall and AA,the other two are 'persona non grata',we ought to get something for 10.4M. I don't think either one of us expects Patrick Kane to go to the net-front,do the dirty work or win a lotta board battles,it's never been his forte. What I would expect,is a massive benefit for Bedard. I'm not just referring to numbers/production either,I'm referring to proper development in his all-importnt first few years. Patrick Kane has more wisdom and insight on coming into the league as a smaller,18yro,eltie player to share than the entire Org combined IMO. That being said,I hope he ends-up with a contender.  I don't disagree; but my assertion was pointing out that the top 6 needs help, specifically long-term help. On one hand, I agree with you that on paper, Toews and Kane would be some of the best mentors for Bedard. On the other hand though, retreads haven't worked, so I accept that they likely won't be back. That being said, did Toews and Kane have HoF mentors? Not until Hossa arrived in 2010. So, there is still hope for Bedard, Chevy, Vlassic, Korch, et. al. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 15, 2024 9:44:21 GMT -6
It'll have to be Hall and AA,the other two are 'persona non grata',we ought to get something for 10.4M. I don't think either one of us expects Patrick Kane to go to the net-front,do the dirty work or win a lotta board battles,it's never been his forte. What I would expect,is a massive benefit for Bedard. I'm not just referring to numbers/production either,I'm referring to proper development in his all-importnt first few years. Patrick Kane has more wisdom and insight on coming into the league as a smaller,18yro,eltie player to share than the entire Org combined IMO. That being said,I hope he ends-up with a contender. I don't disagree; but my assertion was pointing out that the top 6 needs help, specifically long-term help. On one hand, I agree with you that on paper, Toews and Kane would be some of the best mentors for Bedard. On the other hand though, retreads haven't worked, so I accept that they likely won't be back. That being said, did Toews and Kane have HoF mentors? Not until Hossa arrived in 2010. So, there is still hope for Bedard, Chevy, Vlassic, Korch, et. al. To be clear,I am NOT advocting for the return of either player,Kane deserves to play for a contender and it looks like JT has no interest in playing for another team,if at all. Not sure what bringing back previous players in the past has to do with Patrick Kane but I guess it did give you the opportunity to refer to him as just a 'retread' .......NICE! Many have pointed-out the vets who were here when K&T first joined the team,Hof? Maybe not but solid vets none the less AND Patrick Kane also had a HC who played very much the same style and is in the HoF his first season. Bedard had a veteran,defensive defenseman for his HC and how much elite NHL forward input he got from the AC's is what? Foligno's been outstanding as a mentor,but he played an altogether different game than Bedard plays and everybody else is either very young or just a stop-gap. They can do whatever they want,it concerns me less and less,and there's more than just hope for Bedard,Chevy,Vlasic,Korch, et al........they're gonna be a dynasty. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 28, 2024 6:58:40 GMT -6
sounding a lot like 88 will head back to Broadway this summer.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 28, 2024 9:10:16 GMT -6
sounding a lot like 88 will head back to Broadway this summer. Works for me hope he stays east |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 28, 2024 19:45:34 GMT -6
sounding a lot like 88 will head back to Broadway this summer. Les Miserables ? |
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Post by 2old4this on Jun 29, 2024 20:09:26 GMT -6
Hawks are searching for a top six forward, and perhaps a middle six forward as well.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 30, 2024 16:37:13 GMT -6
sounding a lot like 88 will head back to Broadway this summer. and now it sounds like he is staying in detroit. edit: on a one year deal, no less. sounds to me like Stevie Y is about to push his chips in... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 30, 2024 18:20:12 GMT -6
sounding a lot like 88 will head back to Broadway this summer. and now it sounds like he is staying in detroit. edit: on a one year deal, no less. sounds to me like Stevie Y is about to push his chips in... more than a bit surprised on the term. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 30, 2024 19:02:45 GMT -6
and now it sounds like he is staying in detroit. edit: on a one year deal, no less. sounds to me like Stevie Y is about to push his chips in... more than a bit surprised on the term. yeah, same here, if it ends up being true. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 30, 2024 20:32:45 GMT -6
i'd think all bonuses are achievable.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 30, 2024 20:39:17 GMT -6
the only thing that make sense to me here is that he doesn't want to be tied down anywhere. I am absolutely shocked he didn't go for more term.
seems like a pretty good deal for 88, though. he should easily hit every bonus if he stays healthy, sans maybe the playoff bonus.
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Post by squishy24 on Jun 30, 2024 23:38:10 GMT -6
i'd think all bonuses are achievable. Thats automatic 5.5m at 10 games in. Also, the contract has a full NTC |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 1, 2024 0:00:25 GMT -6
i'd think all bonuses are achievable. Thats automatic 5.5m at 10 games in. Also, the contract has a full NTC doubts will always linger about kane's longevity. but to me that contracts a huge bargain...especially for a one year deal. his .94 points/game was second on the team behind only larkin's 1.01. and kane led the team with 7 GWGs despite playing just 50 games. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2024 0:38:00 GMT -6
Thats automatic 5.5m at 10 games in. Also, the contract has a full NTC doubts will always linger about kane's longevity. but to me that contracts a huge bargain...especially for a one year deal. his .94 points/game was second on the team behind only larkin's 1.01. and kane led the team with 7 GWGs despite playing just 50 games. it is a monster bargain. I have to think that is on purpose. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 1, 2024 0:42:15 GMT -6
doubts will always linger about kane's longevity. but to me that contracts a huge bargain...especially for a one year deal. his .94 points/game was second on the team behind only larkin's 1.01. and kane led the team with 7 GWGs despite playing just 50 games. it is a monster bargain. I have to think that is on purpose. i guess you mean so there's $$ left over to sign others? |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2024 0:51:49 GMT -6
it is a monster bargain. I have to think that is on purpose. i guess you mean so there's $$ left over to sign others? yep. and no term. |
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Post by Granada on Jul 1, 2024 6:58:00 GMT -6
the only thing that make sense to me here is that he doesn't want to be tied down anywhere. I am absolutely shocked he didn't go for more term. seems like a pretty good deal for 88, though. he should easily hit every bonus if he stays healthy, sans maybe the playoff bonus. I was a little surprised by the term too, but I have to wonder if maybe this was the best he could get in the end. I mean the guy will be 36 this November. I think teams are still a bit weary about him. It makes sense overall. He's familiar with Detroit. They missed the playoffs by one point last year. It's essentially a 5.5 million contract; the 10 game incentive is just a formality and is a bit silly in all honesty. The other million is iffy but not impossible. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 1, 2024 9:26:21 GMT -6
lost in those comments by KfC is the possibility that they've already talked and Kane said "nah" and that he wants a shot to win it all again. yet here is KfC being the one who will take the shots for not bringing him back... If thats the case why not just be transparent? it's not in his DNA. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 1, 2024 9:44:08 GMT -6
the only thing that make sense to me here is that he doesn't want to be tied down anywhere. I am absolutely shocked he didn't go for more term. seems like a pretty good deal for 88, though. he should easily hit every bonus if he stays healthy, sans maybe the playoff bonus. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kane finish-up in Detroit on a series of one-year deals and I wouldn't be surprised if he and Stevie Y have some mutual understanding. It gives the team yearly flexibility,Kane would have to stay healthy of course and the team would have to improve too. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2024 12:44:21 GMT -6
the only thing that make sense to me here is that he doesn't want to be tied down anywhere. I am absolutely shocked he didn't go for more term. seems like a pretty good deal for 88, though. he should easily hit every bonus if he stays healthy, sans maybe the playoff bonus. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kane finish-up in Detroit on a series of one-year deals and I wouldn't be surprised if he and Stevie Y have some mutual understanding. It gives the team yearly flexibility,Kane would have to stay healthy of course and the team would have to improve too. yeah, I'm thinking the same. |
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