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Post by LordKOTL on Aug 21, 2023 7:54:46 GMT -6
I think for our definition of expectation vs reality, Dach is up there. He was supposed to be the next #1C and he was barely top 6 and not a center.
I would say he and Barker are on equal footing. But it's likely the person who made that list doesn't remember Barker.
He might have found a groove elsewhere, and yeah, Bowman the Beancounter ruined his development as much as Bowman botched both Boqvist and Joker, but I think Dach gets this on Expectation vs Reality on his own.
And to think, we could have had Byram instead.
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Post by steamer on Aug 21, 2023 9:06:58 GMT -6
Not sure where the line is drawn between a disappointment and a bust. Some on this list are NHL starters but certainly have not lived up to expectations for a first rounder. Others are truly busts. Dach a disappointment for sure and maybe on his way to a bust IMO.
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Post by Nikos on Aug 21, 2023 9:17:22 GMT -6
I think for our definition of expectation vs reality, Dach is up there. He was supposed to be the next #1C and he was barely top 6 and not a center. I would say he and Barker are on equal footing. But it's likely the person who made that list doesn't remember Barker. He might have found a groove elsewhere, and yeah, Bowman the Beancounter ruined his development as much as Bowman botched both Boqvist and Joker, but I think Dach gets this on Expectation vs Reality on his own. And to think, we could have had Byram instead. Or Dylan Cozens. Btw, Byram was just named top dmen under 23
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Post by mikeveisor on Aug 21, 2023 9:19:07 GMT -6
I think for our definition of expectation vs reality, Dach is up there. He was supposed to be the next #1C and he was barely top 6 and not a center. I would say he and Barker are on equal footing. But it's likely the person who made that list doesn't remember Barker. Jack Skille is in there, too. Imagine the dynasty (and bigger cap hell issues) if Hawks' brass did not swing and miss so hard on the Barker/Skille years of drafting. Suppose maybe they balance out the Toews and Kane years to some degree, though - law of averages in drafting teenagers.
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 21, 2023 9:49:52 GMT -6
I think for our definition of expectation vs reality, Dach is up there. He was supposed to be the next #1C and he was barely top 6 and not a center. I would say he and Barker are on equal footing. But it's likely the person who made that list doesn't remember Barker. Jack Skille is in there, too. Imagine the dynasty (and bigger cap hell issues) if Hawks' brass did not swing and miss so hard on the Barker/Skille years of drafting. Suppose maybe they balance out the Toews and Kane years to some degree, though - law of averages in drafting teenagers. The original list was 2010 and onwards. But going back further i'd put beach ahead of skille as far as bigger bust. Skille (7th overall) had underwhelming numbers but still had a 368 game career. (Just 79 with chicago) Beach (11th overall) never played a game in the league.
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Post by Nikos on Aug 21, 2023 10:26:30 GMT -6
Jack Skille is in there, too. Imagine the dynasty (and bigger cap hell issues) if Hawks' brass did not swing and miss so hard on the Barker/Skille years of drafting. Suppose maybe they balance out the Toews and Kane years to some degree, though - law of averages in drafting teenagers. The original list was 2010 and onwards. But going back further i'd put beach ahead of skille as far as bigger bust. Skille (7th overall) had underwhelming numbers but still had a 368 game career. (Just 79 with chicago) Beach (11th overall) never played a game in the league. I believe Beach was a Tallon pick and agree much bigger bust than Skille, although Skille was a top 10 pick and Beach was #11 I believe. It just proves that the projections and development of these 1st round picks (17-18 year old kids) is definitely a work in progress and emphasizes the importance of having the most talented people in these positions.
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Post by LordKOTL on Aug 21, 2023 19:24:26 GMT -6
I think for our definition of expectation vs reality, Dach is up there. He was supposed to be the next #1C and he was barely top 6 and not a center. I would say he and Barker are on equal footing. But it's likely the person who made that list doesn't remember Barker. Jack Skille is in there, too. Imagine the dynasty (and bigger cap hell issues) if Hawks' brass did not swing and miss so hard on the Barker/Skille years of drafting. Suppose maybe they balance out the Toews and Kane years to some degree, though - law of averages in drafting teenagers. Almost forgot about him... Definition of a bust.
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Post by LordKOTL on Aug 21, 2023 19:25:54 GMT -6
I think for our definition of expectation vs reality, Dach is up there. He was supposed to be the next #1C and he was barely top 6 and not a center. I would say he and Barker are on equal footing. But it's likely the person who made that list doesn't remember Barker. He might have found a groove elsewhere, and yeah, Bowman the Beancounter ruined his development as much as Bowman botched both Boqvist and Joker, but I think Dach gets this on Expectation vs Reality on his own. And to think, we could have had Byram instead. Or Dylan Cozens. Btw, Byram was just named top dmen under 23 We needed D because none of Bowman's projects were showing much of anything... I wanted Byram. I could have lived with Cozens, but Byram should have been the pick.
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 22, 2023 9:11:16 GMT -6
Atta' boy hags!
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Post by Nikos on Aug 22, 2023 11:04:02 GMT -6
Happy for Hagel. It will be interesting once we make the 2024 1st round pick the total return for Hagel.
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Post by Nikos on Aug 22, 2023 11:13:09 GMT -6
Or Dylan Cozens. Btw, Byram was just named top dmen under 23 We needed D because none of Bowman's projects were showing much of anything... I wanted Byram. I could have lived with Cozens, but Byram should have been the pick. What I recall was he was projected as #1 dmen and those do not come often and if you get a chance to grab one you do.
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 22, 2023 12:00:39 GMT -6
Happy for Hagel. It will be interesting once we make the 2024 1st round pick the total return for Hagel. Going to take a few years to really let the dust settle to see which team won the deal. For the time being it seems both sides are pretty happy with how things played out.
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 22, 2023 12:13:29 GMT -6
Hagel is a good of an example of any that hard work still counts for a lot in life. The kid is set for life now. I bet his folks are proud as hell.
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Post by steamer on Aug 22, 2023 12:50:20 GMT -6
Hagel is a good of an example of any that hard work still counts for a lot in life. The kid is set for life now. I bet his folks are proud as hell. Very happy to see him “make it”. Do wonder how TB can afford all these salaries.
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Post by LordKOTL on Aug 22, 2023 13:19:42 GMT -6
Good for him; well deserved.
Now here's hoping the picks Kyle from Chicago got pan out.
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 22, 2023 13:29:13 GMT -6
Hagel is a good of an example of any that hard work still counts for a lot in life. The kid is set for life now. I bet his folks are proud as hell. Very happy to see him “make it”. Do wonder how TB can afford all these salaries. This might give you some idea where TB is at. Stamkos due next year as well. Edit:
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 22, 2023 21:44:29 GMT -6
Hagel is a good of an example of any that hard work still counts for a lot in life. The kid is set for life now. I bet his folks are proud as hell. Very happy to see him “make it”. Do wonder how TB can afford all these salaries. Seen this as well. They're really not in that bad of shape actually. Father time might have a say in this though.
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 23, 2023 8:14:15 GMT -6
I thought this was somewhat interesting.
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Post by steamer on Aug 23, 2023 8:45:36 GMT -6
I thought this was somewhat interesting. Kind of startling actually!
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 23, 2023 9:27:34 GMT -6
I thought this was somewhat interesting. Kind of startling actually! It is. It's no wonder he's got 139 more goals than assists.
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Post by T-man2010 on Aug 23, 2023 18:02:06 GMT -6
I thought this was somewhat interesting. Kind of startling actually! Is that SOG or just shots taken?
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 23, 2023 20:50:23 GMT -6
Mathews signed a 4yr extension worth 53 million, 13.25 a year.
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Post by steamer on Aug 23, 2023 22:26:11 GMT -6
He’s a bona fide superstar but that is a helluva lot of $$. Is that US dollars?
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Post by vadarx on Aug 23, 2023 22:36:59 GMT -6
He’s a bona fide superstar but that is a helluva lot of $$. Is that US dollars? aye. highest paid player in the league now, until 2 years from now when McDavid is due...
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Post by phill9 on Aug 24, 2023 5:52:19 GMT -6
He’s a bona fide superstar but that is a helluva lot of $$. Is that US dollars? aye. highest paid player in the league now, until 2 years from now when McDavid is due... And by the time Bedard is eligible, he may be looking at a contract worth over 15 million per year
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Post by Nikos on Aug 24, 2023 5:58:55 GMT -6
Mathews signed a 4yr extension worth 53 million, 13.25 a year. Glad he got paid so to end the reports that Hawks looking to trade for him. Great player just not the right player for Hawks young team. Nylander is next at $10M+ possibly and still will come up short for a title IMO. They still have goaltending and D issues.
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Post by vadarx on Aug 24, 2023 7:45:16 GMT -6
Mathews signed a 4yr extension worth 53 million, 13.25 a year. Glad he got paid so to end the reports that Hawks looking to trade for him. Great player just not the right player for Hawks young team. Nylander is next at $10M+ possibly and still will come up short for a title IMO. They still have goaltending and D issues. if they had any sense at all, they'd be trying to trade Nylander. imo, anyway.
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 24, 2023 8:57:08 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Aug 24, 2023 9:43:28 GMT -6
Pretty low bridge deal considering he was the #1 overall pick, although Rangers up against cap. Kirby Dach drafted a year earlier got more money and term. It will be interesting how he progresses in the next two years and if he starts to reach his potential will the Rangers reward him after this deal expires and cap is much higher.
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Post by steamer on Aug 24, 2023 11:40:06 GMT -6
Yes Lafreniere was a fairly highly touted #1 overall so this is a bit sobering. Not sure whether the talent isn’t quite as expected? Or not used properly - or not well developed by NY coaching staff?
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