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Post by BigT on Nov 12, 2023 13:07:44 GMT -6
They had to do something. Players clearly quit on him!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 12, 2023 14:20:33 GMT -6
10th coach in 15 years for edmonton. woodcroft was 76-32-12 going into this season and had won 3 playoff series. things went to shit in a hurry this year for him.
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Post by tincup on Nov 12, 2023 14:38:50 GMT -6
10th coach in 15 years for edmonton. woodcroft was 76-32-12 going into this season and had won 3 playoff series. things went to shit in a hurry this year for him. His new system didn’t go over well. Soft goaltending and very poor shooting % didn’t help. When their league leading PP faltered it exposed a lack of scoring depth and masked some of their other problems. So they tried weird line combo’s trying to spread out the scoring. Remember how well that worked here? Should have just overloaded that one good line. Critics here say it was a system built more around the Hyman types and less about the stars, trying to build a better overall team dynamic along the lines of a Boston. Limit the shots, quick transition incorporating the defense, you know, like every other team wants. Maybe they just don’t have the right players. Didn’t look like everyone understood and there was some awful lazy play. I’m sure they’ll turn it around but I think they would have done that anyways.
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Post by tincup on Nov 12, 2023 15:15:07 GMT -6
They had to do something. Players clearly quit on him!!! Just the important ones I think. Hyman, RNH, …those type of guys aren’t coach killers. Just heard Knoblauch’s presser…usual cliches…nothing groundbreaking.
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 12, 2023 23:54:40 GMT -6
They had to do something. Players clearly quit on him!!! Just the important ones I think. Hyman, RNH, …those type of guys aren’t coach killers. Just heard Knoblauch’s presser…usual cliches…nothing groundbreaking. I’m sure making the playoffs is still the priority, but will they actually make it?
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 13, 2023 7:20:06 GMT -6
10th coach in 15 years for edmonton. woodcroft was 76-32-12 going into this season and had won 3 playoff series. things went to shit in a hurry this year for him. And 5 in 8yrs for McDavid.
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 14, 2023 16:58:44 GMT -6
that's travelling, no? speaking of obscure basketball references in hockey...on "32 thoughts: the podcast" (elliotte friedman's/jeff marek's podcast) they have a section at the end where they answer some questions from viewer mail or voice mail. a few episodes back a guy asked if the nhl would ever consider a "shot clock" type of rule on 3 on 3 o/t where after 30 seconds or whatever after you gain possession you have to give the puck back if you don't score, and the situation repeats itself going the other way. friedman said at one time the league considered trying it but that's as far as it got. i do think that while the 3 on 3 is still great to watch, it's not near as good as it used to be. it's evolved into too much cycling the puck out of the "o" zone back to the neutral zone (if not further). in other words, it's become too strategic and not enough end to end chaos. there'd be a few rules to hammer out but i wish they'd give it a go. imho, the 3 on 3 could become a lot more exciting again. They also mentioned, like in basketball, a “backcourt” violation. When you cant go back after you cross the halfcourt, in hockey’s case, im guessing they either meant the redline or maybe the blueline. I dont like either proposal, but i prefer this backcourt one than the shotclock Well, apparently it's still on the table.
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Post by Nikos on Nov 14, 2023 17:12:52 GMT -6
They also mentioned, like in basketball, a “backcourt” violation. When you cant go back after you cross the halfcourt, in hockey’s case, im guessing they either meant the redline or maybe the blueline. I dont like either proposal, but i prefer this backcourt one than the shotclock Well, apparently it's still on the table. The looping has taken away from the back-and-forth end to end scoring chances. They need to do something as it was an exciting 5 minutes and sometimes breathtaking, now it is let's see if we can tire them out and hope their guys bump into each other or get caught out of position (Boring)
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 15, 2023 4:09:30 GMT -6
Kane watch;
“ John Shannon of The Bob McCown podcast tweeted that unrestricted free agent forward Patrick Kane met with the Toronto Maple Leafs today. While the news is sure to get fans and hockey pundits talking, it is just the beginning of the process. Kane has been training in nearby Oakville, Ontario and likely talked to the Maple Leafs first because of proximity.
Shannon followed up his first tweet by adding that the Florida Panthers, Tampa Bay Lightning, Carolina Hurricanes, Dallas Stars and Buffalo Sabres appear to be on the list of interest teams. While most of those teams have come up before in rumors, Dallas and Tampa Bay are a couple of new teams on the list.
ESPN’s Greg Wyshynski further added to the Kane speculation tonight as he believes that Kane will interview up to eight teams this week including the Detroit Red Wings and New York Rangers who have both been mentioned in recent weeks.“
-prohockeyrumors
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 15, 2023 4:35:56 GMT -6
Kane watch; “ -prohockeyrumors If it's a cup he wants, i still think new york would be his first choice, but i still hope he goes to buffalo. Toronto would be interesting if for nothing else other than to see the fan reaction. And personally i hope he stays out of florida.
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Post by tincup on Nov 15, 2023 5:13:41 GMT -6
Kane watch; “ -prohockeyrumors If it's a cup he wants, i still think new york would be his first choice, but i still hope he goes to buffalo. Toronto would be interesting if for nothing else other than to see the fan reaction. And personally i hope he stays out of florida. Buffalo or Carolina I could handle. But to be honest, it still seems like a longshot as to whether his return is successful. The odds for a pro athlete getting this type of surgery and resuming a career seems to be pretty slim going by results seen so far. Maybe he’s the one to break the ice, so to speak.
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 15, 2023 5:44:17 GMT -6
If it's a cup he wants, i still think new york would be his first choice, but i still hope he goes to buffalo. Toronto would be interesting if for nothing else other than to see the fan reaction. And personally i hope he stays out of florida. Buffalo or Carolina I could handle. But to be honest, it still seems like a longshot as to whether his return is successful. The odds for a pro athlete getting this type of surgery and resuming a career seems to be pretty slim going by results seen so far. Maybe he’s the one to break the ice, so to speak. maybe that gives the leafs the advantage because he's training in oakville which is like 25 miles from toronto...but of course every team that wants a sniff will have eyes on him there. anyhoo...i hope kane defies the odds. i'm sure most here feel the same. edit: another thing most would agree on is that if PK didn't feel physically like he could do it he'd just call it a career.
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 15, 2023 6:37:00 GMT -6
i'd hate to be a g.m.
kadri's 33 with 6 X 7 mill remaining and boo f****** hoo...he doesn't want a rebuild. he's done slightly more than jack-shit in calgary and he thinks he can dictate what the team does? some of these players are so full of themselves. if you want a trade then just ask for one ffs.
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Post by BigT on Nov 15, 2023 7:00:20 GMT -6
I don’t think Kane will be asking for the most. But even the Leaves are hard pressed to add a guy at league minimum. Sure they could put someone on waivers. Most notably Reaves. Save a million there and send down another young kid. But a trade more than likely has to occur. If they traded Klingberg to Calgary for Zadorov, they’d save close to a million. But they’d have to give up a first rounder. Waive Reaves and they can give Kane a deal of 2 million. So adding Kane and Zadorov may actually push the team over the top.
We’ll see soon enough. I know Mathews has been an advocate for Kane. So has M Tkachuk in Florida. I think either of those teams fits the bill better for Kane. I think Kane may end up in Buffalo to end his career. But not now. If the hip lasts, he’ll play for another 3-4 years like Pavelski.
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Post by BigT on Nov 15, 2023 7:08:33 GMT -6
i'd hate to be a g.m. kadri's 33 with 6 X 7 mill remaining and boo f****** hoo...he doesn't want a rebuild. he's done slightly more than jack-shit in calgary and he thinks he can dictate what the team does? some of these players are so full of themselves. if you want a trade then just ask for one ffs. The worst part about Kadri is he had a choice over a year ago. Many teams wanted him. He clearly stated that this contract was for him. He’s taken too many hometown discounts. And this is his payday. So he took the money, and now whines when the team gets bad. I wouldn’t trade him. Simply because you’d have to eat a good chunk and probably sweeten the deal. I’d say too bad. I’d put him on waivers and see if anyone would take him for nothing!!!
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Post by steamer on Nov 15, 2023 10:19:20 GMT -6
Don’t see Kane giving Leafs what they really need.
No tears for Flames or for Kadri - good luck to both!
Bolts have been shut out twice in a row - haven’t scored a goal since the Hawks beat ‘em. Nice to lay a 3rd blanking on them tomorrow night.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 15, 2023 10:20:59 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 15, 2023 11:24:13 GMT -6
i'd hate to be a g.m. kadri's 33 with 6 X 7 mill remaining and boo f****** hoo...he doesn't want a rebuild. he's done slightly more than jack-shit in calgary and he thinks he can dictate what the team does? some of these players are so full of themselves. if you want a trade then just ask for one ffs. The worst part about Kadri is he had a choice over a year ago. Many teams wanted him. He clearly stated that this contract was for him. He’s taken too many hometown discounts. And this is his payday. So he took the money, and now whines when the team gets bad. I wouldn’t trade him. Simply because you’d have to eat a good chunk and probably sweeten the deal. I’d say too bad. I’d put him on waivers and see if anyone would take him for nothing!!! Don't think he was whinning about it, just doesn't want a part of a rebuild.
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Post by Nikos on Nov 15, 2023 12:04:42 GMT -6
i'd hate to be a g.m. kadri's 33 with 6 X 7 mill remaining and boo f****** hoo...he doesn't want a rebuild. he's done slightly more than jack-shit in calgary and he thinks he can dictate what the team does? some of these players are so full of themselves. if you want a trade then just ask for one ffs. The worst part about Kadri is he had a choice over a year ago. Many teams wanted him. He clearly stated that this contract was for him. He’s taken too many hometown discounts. And this is his payday. So he took the money, and now whines when the team gets bad. I wouldn’t trade him. Simply because you’d have to eat a good chunk and probably sweeten the deal. I’d say too bad. I’d put him on waivers and see if anyone would take him for nothing!!! The Flames are a mess and it’s only bound to get worse. Players want out, the stars are frustrated, the coaching situation isn’t completely solved, and the aftermath of Darryl Sutter still looms large over this team IMO. Brace yourself for dark days Calgary fans.
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 15, 2023 13:50:07 GMT -6
They also mentioned, like in basketball, a “backcourt” violation. When you cant go back after you cross the halfcourt, in hockey’s case, im guessing they either meant the redline or maybe the blueline. I dont like either proposal, but i prefer this backcourt one than the shotclock Well, apparently it's still on the table. The law of unintended consequences always applies. 5 min O/T implemented to reduce ties? Teams still play to tie. Reduce the players in O/T to 4-4 and implement a shootout? Teams will play to not get beat and not to win. Open up the ice more with 3-3? Teams go into looping defensive shells. You can also bet whatever they do to try to stop teams in overtime from looping, teams will exploit that, too.
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Post by irmaks on Nov 16, 2023 14:51:35 GMT -6
Interesting read in Athletic about Erik Gustaffson. Is it same guy? Erik Gustafsson, New York Rangers The defender has really been everything the Rangers have needed and more. He’s provided more than just more puck-moving on their third pair, and the team now has three reliable pairs to lean on. Similar to last year, he’s stepped up when his team’s top defender has been sidelined with injury. Last year it was John Carlson in Washington, and now Adam Fox in New York. Gustafsson’s taken on a more significant role at even strength and on the top power-play unit since and has helped keep this team afloat. On the season as a whole, he’s had one of the best two-way influences at five-on-five and has helped keep the power play clicking. Gustafsson may be the best value signing in the league, at $825,000 on the cap — and he’d probably be a welcome addition to any of the previous teams that opted to move on from him
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Post by steamer on Nov 16, 2023 16:40:07 GMT -6
Well Gus was pretty good in the offensive zone but not so much in his own end.
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Post by BigT on Nov 16, 2023 22:14:26 GMT -6
For what it’s worth. I have some insider info here. The Leaves are very interested in Kane. However the man that possesses his number will have to be traded first. And #88 on the leaves is heavily being shopped as they cannot afford him after this year.
One destination is Chicago. I’ve heard this many times over that the Hawks would be interested in the better Nylander.
Basically if the Leaves could get a decent return for Nylander. They’d have the Cap Space to add Kane and Zadorov. I think the team would be much better than what they are now!!!
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Post by tincup on Nov 16, 2023 23:37:05 GMT -6
For what it’s worth. I have some insider info here. The Leaves are very interested in Kane. However the man that possesses his number will have to be traded first. And #88 on the leaves is heavily being shopped as they cannot afford him after this year. One destination is Chicago. I’ve heard this many times over that the Hawks would be interested in the better Nylander. Basically if the Leaves could get a decent return for Nylander. They’d have the Cap Space to add Kane and Zadorov. I think the team would be much better than what they are now!!! So two guys the Hawks had no use for anymore are enough to put the Leafs over the top? Strange world. And is this really the time to take on someone who could just be a rental? And even if he did extend here I thought they weren’t ready for expensive upgrades yet.
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Post by BigT on Nov 17, 2023 7:15:54 GMT -6
For what it’s worth. I have some insider info here. The Leaves are very interested in Kane. However the man that possesses his number will have to be traded first. And #88 on the leaves is heavily being shopped as they cannot afford him after this year. One destination is Chicago. I’ve heard this many times over that the Hawks would be interested in the better Nylander. Basically if the Leaves could get a decent return for Nylander. They’d have the Cap Space to add Kane and Zadorov. I think the team would be much better than what they are now!!! So two guys the Hawks had no use for anymore are enough to put the Leafs over the top? Strange world. And is this really the time to take on someone who could just be a rental? And even if he did extend here I thought they weren’t ready for expensive upgrades yet. It sounds like the Hawks wanna get Bedard some help. I’m not saying this happens. But there’s been a lot of talk about this. Leaves would like their 2025 1st rounder back too. There’s a lot of moving parts here. Treliving had Zadorov in Calgary. He probably wants him back. Leaves cannot afford Nylander. Might as well get away from him now. Kane costs no assets. And probably around 2 million. Zadorov is around 3.75. Nylander is almost 7. Again. This is something that has been talked about. Leaves nation is buzzing right now with this. We’ll see what happens next week when the Leaves get back. Kane has to be signed within the next 2 weeks. So we’ll see soon!!!
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Post by Nikos on Nov 17, 2023 8:25:54 GMT -6
After a slow start Michkov is up to 11 goals, 13 assists, and 24 points in 25 games this season. Some compared skill wise to Bedard. I know Flyers have to wait, remains to be seen if the 2-6 teams in last draft made the right decision. Michkov .71 pts per game minimum, 50 games is highest for anyone in KHL under 20. Malkin was .69 in 132 games.
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 17, 2023 9:14:05 GMT -6
So two guys the Hawks had no use for anymore are enough to put the Leafs over the top? Strange world. And is this really the time to take on someone who could just be a rental? And even if he did extend here I thought they weren’t ready for expensive upgrades yet. It sounds like the Hawks wanna get Bedard some help. I’m not saying this happens. But there’s been a lot of talk about this. Leaves would like their 2025 1st rounder back too. There’s a lot of moving parts here. Treliving had Zadorov in Calgary. He probably wants him back. Leaves cannot afford Nylander. Might as well get away from him now. Kane costs no assets. And probably around 2 million. Zadorov is around 3.75. Nylander is almost 7. Again. This is something that has been talked about. Leaves nation is buzzing right now with this. We’ll see what happens next week when the Leaves get back. Kane has to be signed within the next 2 weeks. So we’ll see soon!!! Nylander is 27 and making 7 mill. What he worth, 8-10 a year and I'm sure he'll want max 8 years to carry him to 35.
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Post by vadarx on Nov 17, 2023 10:04:09 GMT -6
For what it’s worth. I have some insider info here. The Leaves are very interested in Kane. However the man that possesses his number will have to be traded first. And #88 on the leaves is heavily being shopped as they cannot afford him after this year. One destination is Chicago. I’ve heard this many times over that the Hawks would be interested in the better Nylander. Basically if the Leaves could get a decent return for Nylander. They’d have the Cap Space to add Kane and Zadorov. I think the team would be much better than what they are now!!! nooooooooo thank you.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 17, 2023 11:46:16 GMT -6
Interesting read in Athletic about Erik Gustaffson. Is it same guy? Erik Gustafsson, New York Rangers The defender has really been everything the Rangers have needed and more. He’s provided more than just more puck-moving on their third pair, and the team now has three reliable pairs to lean on. Similar to last year, he’s stepped up when his team’s top defender has been sidelined with injury. Last year it was John Carlson in Washington, and now Adam Fox in New York. Gustafsson’s taken on a more significant role at even strength and on the top power-play unit since and has helped keep this team afloat. On the season as a whole, he’s had one of the best two-way influences at five-on-five and has helped keep the power play clicking. Gustafsson may be the best value signing in the league, at $825,000 on the cap — and he’d probably be a welcome addition to any of the previous teams that opted to move on from him A guy has to wonder what three year's worth of Harry Potter's 'chicken with it's head cut off' system had to do with this? Name a single young D-man who developed at all under his 'tutelage'. The list of young D-men who didn't is a long one...... Forsling,Joker,Gus,Rutta and Boqvist all made it out alive and forged a career afterward,the 1st four are pretty solid but Boqvist still struggles with consistency and health but he's still pretty young and was rushed into the league and Mitchell draws-in occasionally on a loaded Boston team too. Other than Gus' offensive season fattening-up on the PP did any of these players improve here? That leaves,Beaudin,Carlsson,Gilbert,Kalynuk,Stillman,Ragula,Koekkoek and Galvas.......did any of these young D-men improve here under 'Potter'? Revisit Erik Gustafson's early career and we'll see him getting 41gms@23 and 35gms the next season under Q,those seasons didn't end with the offensive numbers we'd see the following year but they were okay(5gls 30pts in his 1st 76gms)but he was also +11 and +1 his 1st 2 seasons. This was almost the exact amount of games Forsling saw under Q in his 1st 2 seasons.....roughly half......it's called developing a young D-man. 'Gus' was the epitome of the 'chicken with it's head cut off' the rest of his time here in his own end,and he developed bad habits chasin' forwards all the way out to the blue-line. 'Gus' will never be a defensive stalwart, but it takes time and some good coaching for a D-man to leave those bad habits behind,and Laviolette's a good one. Forsling and Joker both ended-up good defensive D-men elsewhere,but remember both were dealt in the summer of '19' and neither were exposed to the ill-fated system to a large degree like 'Gus' was.......'Gus' was encouraged to play the way he did when he was here!
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Post by hsbob on Nov 17, 2023 12:29:13 GMT -6
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