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Post by Nikos on Nov 17, 2023 13:33:35 GMT -6
It sounds like the Hawks wanna get Bedard some help. I’m not saying this happens. But there’s been a lot of talk about this. Leaves would like their 2025 1st rounder back too. There’s a lot of moving parts here. Treliving had Zadorov in Calgary. He probably wants him back. Leaves cannot afford Nylander. Might as well get away from him now. Kane costs no assets. And probably around 2 million. Zadorov is around 3.75. Nylander is almost 7. Again. This is something that has been talked about. Leaves nation is buzzing right now with this. We’ll see what happens next week when the Leaves get back. Kane has to be signed within the next 2 weeks. So we’ll see soon!!! Nylander is 27 and making 7 mill. What he worth, 8-10 a year and I'm sure he'll want max 8 years to carry him to 35. The are some reports out there he is looking for north of $10M. I will pass, yes Bedard needs help, I believe we should look at someone under 25. I know hsbob has mentioned Elias Pettersson from Vancouver.
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Post by vadarx on Nov 17, 2023 15:03:21 GMT -6
Nylander is 27 and making 7 mill. What he worth, 8-10 a year and I'm sure he'll want max 8 years to carry him to 35. The are some reports out there he is looking for north of $10M. I will pass, yes Bedard needs help, I believe we should look at someone under 25. I know hsbob has mentioned Elias Pettersson from Vancouver. I'd give Pettersson 10+ way before I'd give it to Nylander. I just can't grasp giving Nylander that much money, personally. let someone else do that.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 18, 2023 11:10:48 GMT -6
Nylander is 27 and making 7 mill. What he worth, 8-10 a year and I'm sure he'll want max 8 years to carry him to 35. The are some reports out there he is looking for north of $10M. I will pass, yes Bedard needs help, I believe we should look at someone under 25. I know hsbob has mentioned Elias Pettersson from Vancouver. Rumors were,he was unsure of the team's direction but the Canuck's start might put those rumors to bed. There's no way Van doesn't re-do the guy and I have to think staying is looking pretty DAM good right now. I'd like to hear Nuckluck's opinion of his 12-4-1 team and his thoughts on Bedard.......when's the last time we heard from him?
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Post by vadarx on Nov 18, 2023 11:17:45 GMT -6
The are some reports out there he is looking for north of $10M. I will pass, yes Bedard needs help, I believe we should look at someone under 25. I know hsbob has mentioned Elias Pettersson from Vancouver. Rumors were,he was unsure of the team's direction but the Canuck's start might put those rumors to bed. There's no way Van doesn't re-do the guy and I have to think staying is looking pretty DAM good right now. I'd like to hear Nuckluck's opinion of his 12-4-1 team and his thoughts on Bedard.......when's the last time we heard from him? yeah, I'd love to add him, but no way does Vancouver let him get out of BC...
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 18, 2023 14:06:51 GMT -6
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Post by steamer on Nov 18, 2023 14:24:37 GMT -6
Looks a bit rough - eh?
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Post by BigT on Nov 18, 2023 17:07:50 GMT -6
Funny thing is. I remember watching that draft. Brian Burke said “I talked to Kenny Holland last night, he said he’s taking a Dman”. Then He bites on Zadina. That’s too bad. Holland is losing his way by the day!!!
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Post by tincup on Nov 18, 2023 17:53:23 GMT -6
Funny thing is. I remember watching that draft. Brian Burke said “I talked to Kenny Holland last night, he said he’s taking a Dman”. Then He bites on Zadina. That’s too bad. Holland is losing his way by the day!!! I wish he would have taken that dman and I wish it would have been Boqvist.
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 18, 2023 19:16:14 GMT -6
looks like a guy that knows he's f***ed up badly.
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 18, 2023 22:19:46 GMT -6
absolutely an extremely useless factoid.
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 19, 2023 23:05:31 GMT -6
So two guys the Hawks had no use for anymore are enough to put the Leafs over the top? Strange world. And is this really the time to take on someone who could just be a rental? And even if he did extend here I thought they weren’t ready for expensive upgrades yet. It sounds like the Hawks wanna get Bedard some help. I’m not saying this happens. But there’s been a lot of talk about this. Leaves would like their 2025 1st rounder back too. There’s a lot of moving parts here. Treliving had Zadorov in Calgary. He probably wants him back. Leaves cannot afford Nylander. Might as well get away from him now. Kane costs no assets. And probably around 2 million. Zadorov is around 3.75. Nylander is almost 7. Again. This is something that has been talked about. Leaves nation is buzzing right now with this. We’ll see what happens next week when the Leaves get back. Kane has to be signed within the next 2 weeks. So we’ll see soon!!! I'm not fully against it, but if they want to send out Nylander the Greater and get their pick back, I'd hope we'd send someone back--like AA or Murph. Beyond that we'd have Nylander, Jones, and in a few years Bedard commanding a fuckton of cap. It's be nice if they'd take someone superfluous off of our hands as well. Plus, Nylander the Greater has a 10-team No-trade list. I couldn't see why he wouldn't waive to play with Bedard, but it could be a possibility.
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Post by BigT on Nov 20, 2023 7:24:52 GMT -6
It sounds like the Hawks wanna get Bedard some help. I’m not saying this happens. But there’s been a lot of talk about this. Leaves would like their 2025 1st rounder back too. There’s a lot of moving parts here. Treliving had Zadorov in Calgary. He probably wants him back. Leaves cannot afford Nylander. Might as well get away from him now. Kane costs no assets. And probably around 2 million. Zadorov is around 3.75. Nylander is almost 7. Again. This is something that has been talked about. Leaves nation is buzzing right now with this. We’ll see what happens next week when the Leaves get back. Kane has to be signed within the next 2 weeks. So we’ll see soon!!! I'm not fully against it, but if they want to send out Nylander the Greater and get their pick back, I'd hope we'd send someone back--like AA or Murph. Beyond that we'd have Nylander, Jones, and in a few years Bedard commanding a fuckton of cap. It's be nice if they'd take someone superfluous off of our hands as well. Plus, Nylander the Greater has a 10-team No-trade list. I couldn't see why he wouldn't waive to play with Bedard, but it could be a possibility. I’m not saying it’s what I want. It sounds like the Hawks want to get him help. And fast track the rebuild. The cap is supposed to go up a lot over the next two years. But we’ll wait and see about that. I honestly think this years draft is the last at the bottom. They want free agents and more kids coming in. I think regardless we’ll see 6 new faces. So 6 will be gone. I see maybe 2-3 kids making it. Maybe KD wants to get a head start on Nylander? Anyways. Just cuz KD wants that player doesn’t mean they’ll trade him. And even if Toronta wanted to trade him, doesn’t mean the Hawks will give up much or anything at this point. I heard from a very reliable source that there were talks of this. Toronta would have to be able to bolster their lineup. Like I said, get Kane and Zadorov. And have some cap flexibility for other things. So no, they wouldn’t be taking back salary. There’s a lot of moving parts. But from Toronta’s side. They’ve expressed interest in Zadorov. Kane has already met with them. They will 100% loose Nylander this summer. If anything. I could see KD doing them a favour and taking back Klingberg. And only sending them their 2025 first rounder back. Klingberg has just this year. So it won’t hurt. Plus the Hawks have a lot of cap space over the next two years coming off, Perry 4, Foligno 4, Hall 5, Murphy 4.4, Donato 3, there’s over 20 million coming off and most positions filled with kids. I’m not worried about the cap at all. And if it does rise by the reported 8-10 million. Nylander is free basically!!!
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Post by hsbob on Nov 20, 2023 10:26:33 GMT -6
The team finds itself in 31st place this morning,Bedard's worth the price of admission and they're a hard working group again this year.......I'm OK with this! You won't see this old 'sour-puss' criticizing players or the HC after losses because I get it.
Adding what looks to be a top three pick in each round in next year's draft alone to a system that was already rated #5 BEFORE drafting Bedard is an embarrassment of riches in itself,the surplus above and beyond the 'riches' is a mind-numbing' two 1st's and two 2nd's the next two drafts! All of their own and a few surplus picks the following years as well. Now add this BONANZA' to a nearly unlimited amount of cap-space to help other teams facilitate trades at this year's TDL and the summer and the opportunity to improve this team is also nearly unlimited........time to pluck a good,young player or two away from trade partners vs more picks?
Bedard's all that,KK's settling into what will be a full year of development at the only level that really matters and even a few young guys left over from the last regime like Kurashev,Reichell and Vlasic are finding their next levels. Neither Kaiser or Phillips have looked out of place and are both getting IMPORTANT experience and 20yro Allen and EDM are getting AHL games in too. That's six D-men between 19-22,four seeing NHL games and all with size......all are also left shot. Does anyone not see some redundancy here?
Like I said,I get another uncompetitive season but 'irrelevance' will have to be a thing of the past at some point and I bet that point can't come soon enough for young Mr Bedard!
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 20, 2023 11:40:24 GMT -6
I'm not fully against it, but if they want to send out Nylander the Greater and get their pick back, I'd hope we'd send someone back--like AA or Murph. Beyond that we'd have Nylander, Jones, and in a few years Bedard commanding a fuckton of cap. It's be nice if they'd take someone superfluous off of our hands as well. Plus, Nylander the Greater has a 10-team No-trade list. I couldn't see why he wouldn't waive to play with Bedard, but it could be a possibility. I’m not saying it’s what I want. It sounds like the Hawks want to get him help. And fast track the rebuild. The cap is supposed to go up a lot over the next two years. But we’ll wait and see about that. I honestly think this years draft is the last at the bottom. They want free agents and more kids coming in. I think regardless we’ll see 6 new faces. So 6 will be gone. I see maybe 2-3 kids making it. Maybe KD wants to get a head start on Nylander? Anyways. Just cuz KD wants that player doesn’t mean they’ll trade him. And even if Toronta wanted to trade him, doesn’t mean the Hawks will give up much or anything at this point. I heard from a very reliable source that there were talks of this. Toronta would have to be able to bolster their lineup. Like I said, get Kane and Zadorov. And have some cap flexibility for other things. So no, they wouldn’t be taking back salary. There’s a lot of moving parts. But from Toronta’s side. They’ve expressed interest in Zadorov. Kane has already met with them. They will 100% loose Nylander this summer. If anything. I could see KD doing them a favour and taking back Klingberg. And only sending them their 2025 first rounder back. Klingberg has just this year. So it won’t hurt. Plus the Hawks have a lot of cap space over the next two years coming off, Perry 4, Foligno 4, Hall 5, Murphy 4.4, Donato 3, there’s over 20 million coming off and most positions filled with kids. I’m not worried about the cap at all. And if it does rise by the reported 8-10 million. Nylander is free basically!!! Until the vets come off of the books we have vets blocking kids. I'm less worried about the short-timers and more worrying about the long-timers. Jones ain't going anywhere. This isn't an EA game on easy mode (and event then I think there isn't a move). Murph and AA are the next longest ones. If we are potentially adding another duration deal (i.e. resigning a guy like Nylander the Greater), it'd help clearing out a slot taken up by a superfluous very signed for a time to allow either a kid or a better, younger player to come in.
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Post by Nikos on Nov 20, 2023 12:05:41 GMT -6
I’m not saying it’s what I want. It sounds like the Hawks want to get him help. And fast track the rebuild. The cap is supposed to go up a lot over the next two years. But we’ll wait and see about that. I honestly think this years draft is the last at the bottom. They want free agents and more kids coming in. I think regardless we’ll see 6 new faces. So 6 will be gone. I see maybe 2-3 kids making it. Maybe KD wants to get a head start on Nylander? Anyways. Just cuz KD wants that player doesn’t mean they’ll trade him. And even if Toronta wanted to trade him, doesn’t mean the Hawks will give up much or anything at this point. I heard from a very reliable source that there were talks of this. Toronta would have to be able to bolster their lineup. Like I said, get Kane and Zadorov. And have some cap flexibility for other things. So no, they wouldn’t be taking back salary. There’s a lot of moving parts. But from Toronta’s side. They’ve expressed interest in Zadorov. Kane has already met with them. They will 100% loose Nylander this summer. If anything. I could see KD doing them a favour and taking back Klingberg. And only sending them their 2025 first rounder back. Klingberg has just this year. So it won’t hurt. Plus the Hawks have a lot of cap space over the next two years coming off, Perry 4, Foligno 4, Hall 5, Murphy 4.4, Donato 3, there’s over 20 million coming off and most positions filled with kids. I’m not worried about the cap at all. And if it does rise by the reported 8-10 million. Nylander is free basically!!! Until the vets come off of the books we have vets blocking kids. I'm less worried about the short-timers and more worrying about the long-timers. Jones ain't going anywhere. This isn't an EA game on easy mode (and event then I think there isn't a move). Murph and AA are the next longest ones. If we are potentially adding another duration deal (i.e. resigning a guy like Nylander the Greater), it'd help clearing out a slot taken up by a superfluous very signed for a time to allow either a kid or a better, younger player to come in. I agree it should be a pay cap slot like Perry, Foligno, AA or Murphy not Reese Johnson.
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 20, 2023 14:42:19 GMT -6
Any thoughts on the Lucic issue?
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Post by BigT on Nov 20, 2023 14:57:11 GMT -6
The team finds itself in 31st place this morning,Bedard's worth the price of admission and they're a hard working group again this year.......I'm OK with this! You won't see this old 'sour-puss' criticizing players or the HC after losses because I get it. Adding what looks to be a top three pick in each round in next year's draft alone to a system that was already rated #5 BEFORE drafting Bedard is an embarrassment of riches in itself,the surplus above and beyond the 'riches' is a mind-numbing' two 1st's and two 2nd's the next two drafts! All of their own and a few surplus picks the following years as well. Now add this BONANZA' to a nearly unlimited amount of cap-space to help other teams facilitate trades at this year's TDL and the summer and the opportunity to improve this team is also nearly unlimited........time to pluck a good,young player or two away from trade partners vs more picks? Bedard's all that,KK's settling into what will be a full year of development at the only level that really matters and even a few young guys left over from the last regime like Kurashev,Reichell and Vlasic are finding their next levels. Neither Kaiser or Phillips have looked out of place and are both getting IMPORTANT experience and 20yro Allen and EDM are getting AHL games in too. That's six D-men between 19-22,four seeing NHL games and all with size......all are also left shot. Does anyone not see some redundancy here? Like I said,I get another uncompetitive season but 'irrelevance' will have to be a thing of the past at some point and I bet that point can't come soon enough for young Mr Bedard! I feel within the next 6 months, we’ll see 2-3 of those Dmen traded in lateral moves. Trade from a strength to aid a weakness. The system severely lacks right Dmen. So I look for them to trade for one and draft a few. If the Hawks miss out on the top 2 big name forwards in this years draft. Then I feel they’ll take a Dman. Sam Dickinson is a beast for Hunters London Knights. While another lefty. He draws a lot of comparisons to Seabrook. It’d be hard to pass that up. 6’3” 205. I think this would be the way to go. Let him go back for another year, and you got one hell of a Dman coming. Now either trade, sign or draft a few righties and things are ok!!!
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Post by BigT on Nov 20, 2023 15:14:36 GMT -6
Any thoughts on the Lucic issue? I’m guessing his NHL days are done. I really don’t wanna kick him when he’s down. His age, mixed with this incident, I don’t think he makes it back. Because there’ll be massive league blowback and discipline too. I hope he gets it all figured out. I’ve heard he’s a hell of a guy!!!
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Post by Nikos on Nov 20, 2023 19:08:33 GMT -6
Any thoughts on the Lucic issue? I’m guessing his NHL days are done. I really don’t wanna kick him when he’s down. His age, mixed with this incident, I don’t think he makes it back. Because there’ll be massive league blowback and discipline too. I hope he gets it all figured out. I’ve heard he’s a hell of a guy!!! Hope he figures it out, was close to signing with Hawks by some reports.
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Post by mikeveisor on Nov 21, 2023 8:07:10 GMT -6
I’m guessing his NHL days are done. I really don’t wanna kick him when he’s down. His age, mixed with this incident, I don’t think he makes it back. Because there’ll be massive league blowback and discipline too. I hope he gets it all figured out. I’ve heard he’s a hell of a guy!!! Hope he figures it out, was close to signing with Hawks by some reports. This kinda reminds me of the Dave Duerson incident in 2005 with his wife at hotel - by all outward appearances, great player and great person. Then the effects of playing a rough/tumble sport manifest in that type of domestic disturbance. "Mild aggression" as an early stage symptom of CTE? Speculating, yes, but perhaps this leads to something beneficial happening in the advancement of treatment for sports-related head trauma? Dave Duerson appeared to be "a hell of a guy," too, for years just as ML has.
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 21, 2023 9:47:09 GMT -6
Any thoughts on the Lucic issue? If it's like the Voynov or Bobby Hull issue, the dude should be in jail. If it's like the Varlamov issue, his partner should be. Not enough information for me to make a judgement.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 21, 2023 11:45:13 GMT -6
I’m not saying it’s what I want. It sounds like the Hawks want to get him help. And fast track the rebuild. The cap is supposed to go up a lot over the next two years. But we’ll wait and see about that. I honestly think this years draft is the last at the bottom. They want free agents and more kids coming in. I think regardless we’ll see 6 new faces. So 6 will be gone. I see maybe 2-3 kids making it. Maybe KD wants to get a head start on Nylander? Anyways. Just cuz KD wants that player doesn’t mean they’ll trade him. And even if Toronta wanted to trade him, doesn’t mean the Hawks will give up much or anything at this point. I heard from a very reliable source that there were talks of this. Toronta would have to be able to bolster their lineup. Like I said, get Kane and Zadorov. And have some cap flexibility for other things. So no, they wouldn’t be taking back salary. There’s a lot of moving parts. But from Toronta’s side. They’ve expressed interest in Zadorov. Kane has already met with them. They will 100% loose Nylander this summer. If anything. I could see KD doing them a favour and taking back Klingberg. And only sending them their 2025 first rounder back. Klingberg has just this year. So it won’t hurt. Plus the Hawks have a lot of cap space over the next two years coming off, Perry 4, Foligno 4, Hall 5, Murphy 4.4, Donato 3, there’s over 20 million coming off and most positions filled with kids. I’m not worried about the cap at all. And if it does rise by the reported 8-10 million. Nylander is free basically!!! Until the vets come off of the books we have vets blocking kids. I'm less worried about the short-timers and more worrying about the long-timers. Jones ain't going anywhere. This isn't an EA game on easy mode (and event then I think there isn't a move). Murph and AA are the next longest ones. If we are potentially adding another duration deal (i.e. resigning a guy like Nylander the Greater), it'd help clearing out a slot taken up by a superfluous very signed for a time to allow either a kid or a better, younger player to come in. We got a firm grip on Jones' deal for sure but he's the only 'long-timer' on the team. The team will have only four players under contract in two years,one's Jones,two are Bedard and KK and Murph will be in his last year if still here at that point and 75.3M in cap-space WITH Jones and Murphy. Is there a team in the league with fewer problematic contract obligations? Even DUMBASS's parting gift S Jones will only have four years left at that point and he'll only be 31 but,that full NMC and a bonus structure that almost excludes a buy-out will still be a problem but cap increases by then alone should cover Jones entire deal. Few new,rebuilding GM's inherit such a blank-slate,most have to deal with aging,high paid players to buy-out and few if any have young talent to trade for draft assets. I've suggested parting with some of the mountain of draft picks(just some)for a few good players in their early 20's because the age factor works but even I don't think the time's come for max deals for players in their late 20's but they'll have to pay somebody. The team will have 10 players under contract next year and they'll have to spend 31M somehow........just to reach the floor. Those 10 players next year will undoubtedly be 11 when Vlasic is re-done and probably 12 if Phillips is also re-done,that's room for a bunch of kids with a bunch of kids already on the roster. The team has every opportunity to become competitive w/o trading a single prospect or pick of their own and then add a good,young player or three a year from their system to that competitive team. There has to be something other than waiting and hoping with so much potential to improve. No rebuild has ever been entirely 'in-house' and this one doesn't have to be either,good young players will be available and NO team comes close to the Hawks ability a pluck a few.
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 21, 2023 11:53:51 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Nov 21, 2023 14:23:43 GMT -6
Good post Bob. I feel the time is nigh to start looking at longer term options. If you wait on all your picks like Colorado did. It takes 10+ years. They were cheap back in 2011/12 and didn’t want to sign many long term deals. It did end up working out for them. But they are the perfect example of waiting on their guys, then when they insert them, the team takes a massive step back due growing pains. They already had 2nd overall Landeskog, and #1 overall Mackinnon by 2013. They started to rise and made the playoffs, then fell apart and took Rantinen at #10 in 2015. Then were down for another 4-5 years. They ended up with Makar at #4 in 2017. So it took them 7 drafts to get their core 4. Then it took a few years to get rolling.
I’m not interested in that. I think they wasted the first half of Mackinnon and Landeskog’s careers. Now those two have spent significant time on the IR. I feel that teams wind is almost closed. The cap is killing them and their guys are getting nothing but older.
I think it’s best to get other teams players. It happens all the time. Hawks did it 2 years ago!!!
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Post by hsbob on Nov 22, 2023 13:11:40 GMT -6
Good post Bob. I feel the time is nigh to start looking at longer term options. If you wait on all your picks like Colorado did. It takes 10+ years. They were cheap back in 2011/12 and didn’t want to sign many long term deals. It did end up working out for them. But they are the perfect example of waiting on their guys, then when they insert them, the team takes a massive step back due growing pains. They already had 2nd overall Landeskog, and #1 overall Mackinnon by 2013. They started to rise and made the playoffs, then fell apart and took Rantinen at #10 in 2015. Then were down for another 4-5 years. They ended up with Makar at #4 in 2017. So it took them 7 drafts to get their core 4. Then it took a few years to get rolling. I’m not interested in that. I think they wasted the first half of Mackinnon and Landeskog’s careers. Now those two have spent significant time on the IR. I feel that teams wind is almost closed. The cap is killing them and their guys are getting nothing but older. I think it’s best to get other teams players. It happens all the time. Hawks did it 2 years ago!!! My desire for a few good,young players in their early 20's doesn't come from any uncertainty in the team's system what so ever,I believe it deserves it's high rating. I just like the idea of a few good,established players in their mid 20's on the roster when more kids start to show-up for a few reasons. 'RELIVANCE' is the first reason..... I don't think it's time for any UFA splashes yet myself,the team can afford one or two to be honest but the average UFA is 27-30 when available and that age window doesn't fit the rebuild time-line.......I understand this. I also don't expect a PO contending team for another few years either,but more bottom feeding after this year will see youngsters entering an uncompetitive environment and I think a competitive environment is a better situation. An already competitive team that has the ability to 'layer-in' a few good,young players every year for 3-4 years in a row sounds ideal to me,for the team and the young players,assuring none are rushed. I can understand someone's trepidation as far as changing the direction of the rebuild,but I'm not advocating for a change in direction. I don't advocate trading any of the prospects and there's no need to but redundancies will occur,like our over-abundance of young,LS D-men. I don't advocate trading any of the team's own draft picks either, but some of the surplus could be used to improve the team at a quicker rate........as could the mountain of cap-space w/o mortgaging the future one bit......if they chose to.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Nov 22, 2023 17:57:56 GMT -6
Walstrom ,Frost just to name a few that's what I think needs to be explored will cost a little capital but would not be an overpriced UFA with long term. Who knows maybe thats KDs plan the year is young.
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 22, 2023 18:25:11 GMT -6
Until the vets come off of the books we have vets blocking kids. I'm less worried about the short-timers and more worrying about the long-timers. Jones ain't going anywhere. This isn't an EA game on easy mode (and event then I think there isn't a move). Murph and AA are the next longest ones. If we are potentially adding another duration deal (i.e. resigning a guy like Nylander the Greater), it'd help clearing out a slot taken up by a superfluous very signed for a time to allow either a kid or a better, younger player to come in. We got a firm grip on Jones' deal for sure but he's the only 'long-timer' on the team. The team will have only four players under contract in two years,one's Jones,two are Bedard and KK and Murph will be in his last year if still here at that point and 75.3M in cap-space WITH Jones and Murphy. Is there a team in the league with fewer problematic contract obligations? Even DUMBASS's parting gift S Jones will only have four years left at that point and he'll only be 31 but,that full NMC and a bonus structure that almost excludes a buy-out will still be a problem but cap increases by then alone should cover Jones entire deal. Few new,rebuilding GM's inherit such a blank-slate,most have to deal with aging,high paid players to buy-out and few if any have young talent to trade for draft assets. I've suggested parting with some of the mountain of draft picks(just some)for a few good players in their early 20's because the age factor works but even I don't think the time's come for max deals for players in their late 20's but they'll have to pay somebody. The team will have 10 players under contract next year and they'll have to spend 31M somehow........just to reach the floor. Those 10 players next year will undoubtedly be 11 when Vlasic is re-done and probably 12 if Phillips is also re-done,that's room for a bunch of kids with a bunch of kids already on the roster. The team has every opportunity to become competitive w/o trading a single prospect or pick of their own and then add a good,young player or three a year from their system to that competitive team. There has to be something other than waiting and hoping with so much potential to improve. No rebuild has ever been entirely 'in-house' and this one doesn't have to be either,good young players will be available and NO team comes close to the Hawks ability a pluck a few. Of course. I think if we are going to go for a trade-for-and-sign deal, it would help if the trade out took out some of our trash, you know?
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Post by BigT on Nov 22, 2023 21:38:30 GMT -6
Gotta think too, the Hawks will be in year 3 with their 7th first rounder in that 3 years of drafting. Plus 7 2nd rounders etc. the cupboards are full, or will be. The time to add in some guys is this summer. Now, I don’t think the Hawks need Nylander per se. But if anyone watched the game tonight. The 2nd pp unit boasted Entwhistle, R Johnson, Donato. That’s not gonna cut it. Hawks need to find some secondary scoring. This team is looking worse and worse. I’m still not sold on Kurashev as a top 6. I think he’ll be a good 3rd line guy.
There’s a litany of guys that will want a new home soon. I heard yesterday on JayZ’s pod that if the Leaves re-sign Nylander, more than likely Marner is out. Is he a guy you entertain? He’s a pass first winger to set up Bedard. But if going that expensive isn’t the option, Vancouver will have a litany of guys they cannot afford. Florida, LA, Rangers, NJ are all teams that will face some sort of cap crunching. So let’s hope KD parts with picks in 2025 and bolsters the lineup a bit this offseason. Then keep adding in kids as we go.
One last thing about Marner. He probably won’t cost much to get him. Maybe their 2025 1st rounder and a player like Dickinso or one of the abundant LHD. And if it isn’t in the cards to keep him. He only has one year left. But I think he would take 10.5 heading into his next deal. It’ll take him to 35. He’s overpaid now. So 10.5 won’t be so bad. Especially if the cap rises the 8-10 million like their projecting.
Having Marner-Bedard-Rychel Kurashev-Celebrini-Hall or something like that next year. I’m all for it. That would be much much better!!!
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Post by tincup on Nov 23, 2023 9:59:06 GMT -6
Guess coaching wasn’t the problem in Edmonton.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 23, 2023 10:13:28 GMT -6
We got a firm grip on Jones' deal for sure but he's the only 'long-timer' on the team. The team will have only four players under contract in two years,one's Jones,two are Bedard and KK and Murph will be in his last year if still here at that point and 75.3M in cap-space WITH Jones and Murphy. Is there a team in the league with fewer problematic contract obligations? Even DUMBASS's parting gift S Jones will only have four years left at that point and he'll only be 31 but,that full NMC and a bonus structure that almost excludes a buy-out will still be a problem but cap increases by then alone should cover Jones entire deal. Few new,rebuilding GM's inherit such a blank-slate,most have to deal with aging,high paid players to buy-out and few if any have young talent to trade for draft assets. I've suggested parting with some of the mountain of draft picks(just some)for a few good players in their early 20's because the age factor works but even I don't think the time's come for max deals for players in their late 20's but they'll have to pay somebody. The team will have 10 players under contract next year and they'll have to spend 31M somehow........just to reach the floor. Those 10 players next year will undoubtedly be 11 when Vlasic is re-done and probably 12 if Phillips is also re-done,that's room for a bunch of kids with a bunch of kids already on the roster. The team has every opportunity to become competitive w/o trading a single prospect or pick of their own and then add a good,young player or three a year from their system to that competitive team. There has to be something other than waiting and hoping with so much potential to improve. No rebuild has ever been entirely 'in-house' and this one doesn't have to be either,good young players will be available and NO team comes close to the Hawks ability a pluck a few. Of course. I think if we are going to go for a trade-for-and-sign deal, it would help if the trade out took out some of our trash, you know? I just don't see anything close to 'trash' except the Jones contract,with a rising cap,I doubt even Murph would be hard to move.......retain 1M maybe. The cap-floor has to be reached somehow over the next two seasons,10 players signed next year and the team HAS to somehow spend another 31M just to reach that floor alone.......how would you do it? Four players signed the following year(Jones,Murph,Bedard and KK) with over SEVENTY FIVE MILLION in cap-space remaining. IMO,Reichell and Vlasic are sure to be re-signed and most likely both to reasonable bridge deals of around 6M combined.....maybe a bit less.
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