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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 12, 2024 8:36:36 GMT -6
Teams still need those guys, though, and Tandoori did a good enough job of it. He was a soldier player who played like one, not a guy with the skill of a soldier but thought he was a general. The fact that he wasn't slotted properly just exposed the lack of depth which we had/have. That’s exactly my point. When you slot players a pay grade higher, it creates a tank job. I still believe last year was designed to tank. They added a bit of help, but really not much. This year they added help. No doubt. And I think we all expect a much better result!!! I may be splitting hairs, but I think a tank job is when you deliberately ice a roster that is made to lose, as well as protect developing assets: like 2023. Vlassic, Korch, Reichel, etc. didn't see much icetime and it was a lot of vets who drove the team headlong into the ground. I think last year was more of a "let's see what the kids can do" kind of year. KFC wouldn't give them much help in spite of the injury bug slamming us--as I think was his design. In my opinion it was more of a "Sink or swim" year to see what the kids really were and how we needed to backfill the roster. We had some wins like Vlassic proving he's a top-4 (if not top-2) backend guy, and some losses like Reichel failing to pan out as a center and possibly failing to even be a top-6'er (pending his development the next 2 years). That being said they were allowed to sink or swim as opposed to being protected. I think that it was nigh-inevitable that the team would be in the cellar again, but there was always a chance the kids could catch lightning in a bottle and be less 2006 and more 2008. Sure, you could argue that using guys like Tandoori in the top-4 equates to tanking, but in my opinion a tank would have been playing Tandoori in the top-4 to keep Korch and Vlassic out of the top 4.
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Post by tincup on Sept 12, 2024 11:38:59 GMT -6
There’s an amazing amount of players getting hurt from offseason training.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 12, 2024 18:01:50 GMT -6
this could be an interesting relationship.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 12, 2024 19:14:32 GMT -6
played his last nhl game with chicago. only played 27 games in 1 season with the hawks (9-15-2, 3.01 and .908) but i loved his style, and the way he handled the puck and the way he battled. he played much bigger than his 5'11", 170 lb. frame. same as jordin tootoo. played his last nhl game with chicago, just 50 games in 1 season but both became favorites with me in their short times in chicago.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 13, 2024 20:40:26 GMT -6
so many players getting PTOs with various teams so i'm surprised nobody's called on kessel. if he's calling teams, you'd assume he's somewhere close to game shape, but i have to think the reason he didn't stick with vancouver last season had something to do with the shape he was in although ultimately vancouver said "he wasn't a fit for us".
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 15, 2024 6:58:01 GMT -6
antti raanta's nhl career is finished, although he may continue playing in europe. 35 years old already...i was a bit surprised to see he was that old. pretty good career for an undrafted goalie, although imo he never managed to take that next step. first 2 nhl seasons with chicago...20-9-5, 2.41 and .912%. career was 139-80-29, 2.48 and .915%.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 16, 2024 10:32:50 GMT -6
Well at least Detroit was able to sign RFA Berggren to a team-friendly 825K deal but Raymond and Seider are still unsigned only days from the opening of training camps. Seems like Stevie Y's unnecessarily playin' with fire and what's Boston gonna do.....go with Korpisalo?
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Post by Nikos on Sept 16, 2024 11:15:18 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Sept 16, 2024 14:30:15 GMT -6
Well at least Detroit was able to sign RFA Berggren to a team-friendly 825K deal but Raymond and Seider are still unsigned only days from the opening of training camps. Sems like Stevie Y's unnecessarily playin' with fire and what's Boston gonna do.....go with Korpisalo? 17 million left to sign them, too. wangs fans are getting nervous it won't be enough for both of them. I can't believe Seider isn't done already, though.
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Post by Nikos on Sept 16, 2024 16:03:23 GMT -6
Well at least Detroit was able to sign RFA Berggren to a team-friendly 825K deal but Raymond and Seider are still unsigned only days from the opening of training camps. Sems like Stevie Y's unnecessarily playin' with fire and what's Boston gonna do.....go with Korpisalo? 17 million left to sign them, too. wangs fans are getting nervous it won't be enough for both of them. I can't believe Seider isn't done already, though. The longer it goes, the more it will cost. If Nurse is getting $9.5M, Seider is worth more IMO. Raymond will be $8M.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 16, 2024 17:43:53 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Sept 16, 2024 18:43:30 GMT -6
I guess Raymond’s deal is pretty good. If he gets anywhere near 90 points, that’s a steal. 71 last year. But I do believe Kane is helping that team a lot. So we’ll see how well they do with Kane and soon enough with out him!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 17, 2024 8:43:51 GMT -6
I guess Raymond’s deal is pretty good. If he gets anywhere near 90 points, that’s a steal. 71 last year. But I do believe Kane is helping that team a lot. So we’ll see how well they do with Kane and soon enough with out him!!! Raymond, Kane, Debrincat, they have a litany of small players on the top6 lol
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Post by hsbob on Sept 17, 2024 9:08:40 GMT -6
I guess Raymond’s deal is pretty good. If he gets anywhere near 90 points, that’s a steal. 71 last year. But I do believe Kane is helping that team a lot. So we’ll see how well they do with Kane and soon enough with out him!!! Raymond, Kane, Debrincat, they have a litany of small players on the top6 lol Raymond's listed at 5'11" 188lbs and who knows when the last time that was updated,I wouldn't call him small. Kane and D-Cat have proven their size not to be a factor in the NHL,other than the broken collar-bone and the hip surgery,Kane has never missed substantial time and D-Cat is yet to miss a game to injury in 7 seasons. Sure,the Wings could use a bit more beef in their top-six,what they need is 25yro 6'6" 220lb center Rasmussen to develop into that guy. 24yro 6'1" 200lb+ forward Joe Valeno also has room to develop into something more.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 17, 2024 10:24:08 GMT -6
Raymond, Kane, Debrincat, they have a litany of small players on the top6 lol Raymond's listed at 5'11" 188lbs and who knows when the last time that was updated,I wouldn't call him small. Kane and D-Cat have proven their size not to be a factor in the NHL,other than the broken collar-bone and the hip surgery,Kane has never missed substantial time and D-Cat is yet to miss a game to injury in 7 seasons. Sure,the Wings could use a bit more beef in their top-six,what they need is 25yro 6'6" 220lb center Rasmussen to develop into that guy. 24yro 6'1" 200lb+ forward Joe Valeno also has room to develop into something more. I was referring to a comment BT made in another thread, he said the Hawks have a litany of smaller players, well forwards, definitely not on D or in net. And most players don't get updated for some reason, Vlasic is finally well over 200lbs, was listed at 198lbs last year. Debrincat is finally in the 180s and not 165lbs. So Raymond might be 6' 195lbs.
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Post by Nikos on Sept 17, 2024 15:49:27 GMT -6
I guess Hawks we never in on the Askarov trade possibility, who was dealt to San Jose. Nashville was interested in Edstrom from San Jose to keep adding to their center depth.
The Montreal Canadiens, Colorado Avalanche, Carolina Hurricanes and Philadelphia Flyers were all in the running, according to The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 17, 2024 16:56:24 GMT -6
I guess Hawks we never in on the Askarov trade possibility, who was dealt to San Jose. Nashville was interested in Edstrom from San Jose to keep adding to their center depth. The Montreal Canadiens, Colorado Avalanche, Carolina Hurricanes and Philadelphia Flyers were all in the running, according to The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun. Even if they were, Nashville wasn't going to trade him within their division, unless it was a great offer. So I'm glad he's not in Chicago, let's see what we have in Commesso and Gajan.
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 17, 2024 18:19:23 GMT -6
I guess Hawks we never in on the Askarov trade possibility, who was dealt to San Jose. Nashville was interested in Edstrom from San Jose to keep adding to their center depth. The Montreal Canadiens, Colorado Avalanche, Carolina Hurricanes and Philadelphia Flyers were all in the running, according to The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun. Even if they were, Nashville wasn't going to trade him within their division, unless it was a great offer. So I'm glad he's not in Chicago, let's see what we have in Commesso and Gajan. Don't forget Basse
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 17, 2024 18:30:49 GMT -6
Even if they were, Nashville wasn't going to trade him within their division, unless it was a great offer. So I'm glad he's not in Chicago, let's see what we have in Commesso and Gajan. Don't forget Basse yeah, he seems to be the forgotten one. drafted 5 years ago and he hasn't seen a pro game yet, maybe that's why. not sure what he's doing this year after playing the last 4 seasons in the NCAA. not on the goalie list for training camp this year. huge goalie at 6'6", 6th rounder. edit: okay, it appears he's playing in the NCAA for a 5th season. www.eliteprospects.com/player/294746/dominic-basse
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 17, 2024 18:35:48 GMT -6
yeah, he seems to be the forgotten one. drafted 5 years ago and he hasn't seen a pro game yet, maybe that's why. not sure what he's doing this year after playing the last 4 seasons in the NCAA. huge goalie at 6'6", 6th rounder. www.nhl.com/player/dominic-basse-8481753He's playing at St. Lawrence University this season. Guess he's going for his education degree first.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 18, 2024 7:22:23 GMT -6
Raymond's listed at 5'11" 188lbs and who knows when the last time that was updated,I wouldn't call him small. Kane and D-Cat have proven their size not to be a factor in the NHL,other than the broken collar-bone and the hip surgery,Kane has never missed substantial time and D-Cat is yet to miss a game to injury in 7 seasons. Sure,the Wings could use a bit more beef in their top-six,what they need is 25yro 6'6" 220lb center Rasmussen to develop into that guy. 24yro 6'1" 200lb+ forward Joe Valeno also has room to develop into something more. I was referring to a comment BT made in another thread, he said the Hawks have a litany of smaller players, well forwards, definitely not on D or in net. And most players don't get updated for some reason, Vlasic is finally well over 200lbs, was listed at 198lbs last year. Debrincat is finally in the 180s and not 165lbs. So Raymond might be 6' 195lbs. I do recall your back n forth with T now that you mention it,the 'short-term' is NOT what it used to be. To be objective,D-Cat's pretty stout @180 but 5'7" is 5'7" and Kane's slim 177lbs are stretched-out over a 5'10" frame so,yes small top-six forwards. Whether this is a litany or not(LOL)........I'll leave in the capable hands of Big-T and yourself. As far as the top Hawks' forward prospects go,I don't see any giants but I don't see undersized kids either.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 18, 2024 7:46:30 GMT -6
yeah, he seems to be the forgotten one. drafted 5 years ago and he hasn't seen a pro game yet, maybe that's why. not sure what he's doing this year after playing the last 4 seasons in the NCAA. not on the goalie list for training camp this year. huge goalie at 6'6", 6th rounder. edit: okay, it appears he's playing in the NCAA for a 5th season. www.eliteprospects.com/player/294746/dominic-basse www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjIH1jdx2_A
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Post by hsbob on Sept 18, 2024 8:23:30 GMT -6
17 million left to sign them, too. wangs fans are getting nervous it won't be enough for both of them. I can't believe Seider isn't done already, though. The longer it goes, the more it will cost. If Nurse is getting $9.5M, Seider is worth more IMO. Raymond will be $8M. The team has 8.75M in space left with zero interest in paying anyone more than Larkin's 8.7M so,if Seider is looking for 9M or more,he'll have to take a bridge now and get more when more's available.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 18, 2024 19:33:11 GMT -6
vegas could be in for a lucky break. man...you'd think that with all his financial woes that lehner would just show up for his medical and collect his money. The Vegas Golden Knights are reviewing their options, up to and including contract termination, after goaltender Robin Lehner failed to attend training camp for a mandatory pre-season medical exam required to confirm his ineligibility to play, multiple sources told Daily Faceoff.
Lehner, 33, has not played in the NHL since April 20, 2022 and was expected to miss his third consecutive full season due to injury this year after undergoing hip surgery in Aug. 2022. He was set to enter the final year of his five-year, $25 million contract, with a $4.5 million salary owed for 2024-25.
There is a lot riding on these contractual discussions – for Lehner, for the Golden Knights and for the NHLPA. Lehner has $4.5 million in salary at stake, since there is no dispute that he failed to show up on Wednesday. The Golden Knights could move to terminate Lehner’s contract and not only absolve themselves of the $4.5 million financial commitment, but more importantly, his $5 million cap hit this season and potentially eliminate the need to start another season in LTIR. The NHLPA, of course, will want to avoid a new precedent set and want to protect the rights of all players – particularly injured players whose pay is guaranteed. Lehner also acknowledged he was a participant in the NHL/NHLPA Player Assistance Program.www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/sources-golden-knights-reviewing-options-after-robin-lehner-failed-to-report-for-medical
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Post by BigT on Sept 18, 2024 20:49:40 GMT -6
One thing about Vegas, they’re F****** ruthless. They will do anything to get to the top. I’m not sure it doesn’t catch up to them. Hockey has a different way of looking at things. Can’t keep casting guys aside. It’ll eventually catch up!!!
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Post by hsbob on Sept 19, 2024 8:10:03 GMT -6
One thing about Vegas, they’re F****** ruthless. They will do anything to get to the top. I’m not sure it doesn’t catch up to them. Hockey has a different way of looking at things. Can’t keep casting guys aside. It’ll eventually catch up!!! C'mon T,all the guy's gotta do is show up for a physical and he get's his LTIR money,like the last two years. What has Vegas got in return for the 20M they paid him the last four years? Robin Lehner was a bad personnel decision for an organization that makes few and I smelled that rat right off! He was coming off a good year with the Isle(like most GT's do),after signing there for 1.5MX1 and before DUMBASS gave him 5MX1. He played pretty well here at first but then publicly states he plans to give "no hometown discount" on his next deal.......after making more than he's ever made in his career. It wasn't long after that some physical or emotional malady again beset him and CC rightfully regained his net. I said at the time "he'd never see more than 5M from anybody" and all the Knights got for their 20M the last 4 years was 39 regular season starts and 10 more in the PO's. Wasn't he the guy who lost millions on a snake farm? How much can snakes cost?
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 19, 2024 9:13:11 GMT -6
One thing about Vegas, they’re F****** ruthless. They will do anything to get to the top. I’m not sure it doesn’t catch up to them. Hockey has a different way of looking at things. Can’t keep casting guys aside. It’ll eventually catch up!!! C'mon T,all the guy's gotta do is show up for a physical and he get's his LTIR money,like the last two years. What has Vegas got in return for the 20M they paid him the last four years? Robin Lehner was a bad personnel decision for an organization that makes few and I smelled that rat right off! He was coming off a good year with the Isle(like most GT's do),after signing there for 1.5MX1 and before DUMBASS gave him 5MX1. He played pretty well here at first but then publicly states he plans to give "no hometown discount" on his next deal.......after making more than he's ever made in his career. It wasn't long after that some physical or emotional malady again beset him and CC rightfully regained his net. I said at the time "he'd never see more than 5M from anybody" and all the Knights got for their 20M the last 4 years was 39 regular season starts and 10 more in the PO's. Wasn't he the guy who lost millions on a snake farm? How much can snakes cost? That's why they carry insurance to payoff claims like this.
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Post by BigT on Sept 19, 2024 9:27:58 GMT -6
One thing about Vegas, they’re F****** ruthless. They will do anything to get to the top. I’m not sure it doesn’t catch up to them. Hockey has a different way of looking at things. Can’t keep casting guys aside. It’ll eventually catch up!!! C'mon T,all the guy's gotta do is show up for a physical and he get's his LTIR money,like the last two years. What has Vegas got in return for the 20M they paid him the last four years? Robin Lehner was a bad personnel decision for an organization that makes few and I smelled that rat right off! He was coming off a good year with the Isle(like most GT's do),after signing there for 1.5MX1 and before DUMBASS gave him 5MX1. He played pretty well here at first but then publicly states he plans to give "no hometown discount" on his next deal.......after making more than he's ever made in his career. It wasn't long after that some physical or emotional malady again beset him and CC rightfully regained his net. I said at the time "he'd never see more than 5M from anybody" and all the Knights got for their 20M the last 4 years was 39 regular season starts and 10 more in the PO's. Wasn't he the guy who lost millions on a snake farm? How much can snakes cost? I don’t really mean Lehner. I mean in general. Martinez won’t even talk about his leaving there. There’s a few others too, I just can’t seem to remember. They’re ruthless down there. I believe there’s like 5-6 more fellas that aren’t happy how it panned out!!!
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Post by Nikos on Sept 19, 2024 10:52:10 GMT -6
C'mon T,all the guy's gotta do is show up for a physical and he get's his LTIR money,like the last two years. What has Vegas got in return for the 20M they paid him the last four years? Robin Lehner was a bad personnel decision for an organization that makes few and I smelled that rat right off! He was coming off a good year with the Isle(like most GT's do),after signing there for 1.5MX1 and before DUMBASS gave him 5MX1. He played pretty well here at first but then publicly states he plans to give "no hometown discount" on his next deal.......after making more than he's ever made in his career. It wasn't long after that some physical or emotional malady again beset him and CC rightfully regained his net. I said at the time "he'd never see more than 5M from anybody" and all the Knights got for their 20M the last 4 years was 39 regular season starts and 10 more in the PO's. Wasn't he the guy who lost millions on a snake farm? How much can snakes cost? I don’t really mean Lehner. I mean in general. Martinez won’t even talk about his leaving there. There’s a few others too, I just can’t seem to remember. They’re ruthless down there. I believe there’s like 5-6 more fellas that aren’t happy how it panned out!!! Jonathan Marchessault, Stanley cup champ and Conn Smythe winner publicly has stated his disappointment in not able to come to an agreement this past free agency period. He has wife and four children and resides in Summerlin, Nevada and was hoping to stay with the VGK. He tried to get a deal done right before FA opened and was not able to, he called both the GM and President. According to Marchessault who wasn’t upset about the split, but he did acknowledge that both McPhee and McCrimmon regime doesn’t waste energy on loyalty.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 19, 2024 16:13:53 GMT -6
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