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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 19, 2024 16:42:20 GMT -6
That's a great deal considering what Nurse and Jones make.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 19, 2024 17:00:33 GMT -6
That's a great deal considering what Nurse and Jones make. somehow convinced both to stay below Larkin... dude knows voodoo or something when it comes to RFAs, I swear...
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Post by BigT on Sept 20, 2024 5:40:16 GMT -6
In all fairness, the Wings still haven’t made the playoffs in Yzerman’s tenure. I don’t blame him for not wanting to overpay these young kids. I’d Seider or Raymond really worth what they just got? They’ve accomplished absolutely nothing so far. If anything, Seider seems to have taken half a step back.
With the wings only 100k under the cap. They gotta make the playoffs now. Another failed year and where do they go? The rebuild was an absolute failure. Maybe it’s time to start ripping that apart….. again. That team is nowhere near Cup contention!!!
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Post by hsbob on Sept 20, 2024 7:25:20 GMT -6
I don’t really mean Lehner. I mean in general. Martinez won’t even talk about his leaving there. There’s a few others too, I just can’t seem to remember. They’re ruthless down there. I believe there’s like 5-6 more fellas that aren’t happy how it panned out!!! Jonathan Marchessault, Stanley cup champ and Conn Smythe winner publicly has stated his disappointment in not able to come to an agreement this past free agency period. He has wife and four children and resides in Summerlin, Nevada and was hoping to stay with the VGK. He tried to get a deal done right before FA opened and was not able to, he called both the GM and President. According to Marchessault who wasn’t upset about the split, but he did acknowledge that both McPhee and McCrimmon regime doesn’t waste energy on loyalty.I won't disagree with you guys as far as Vegas' approach but staying competitive is a tough business. Marchessault's first team(Clmbs)traded him after 3yrs and 2gms @23,Tampa let him walk after 2yrs and 47 starts @25,Fla signed him for 750KX2,he potted 30,@26,with one more left @750k and he was left unprotected in the expansion draft? There had to be a deal in place for that to happen if anyone recalls. Vegas gave the guy a home for seven years and a nice 5MX6 deal to go along with it. Was the Conn Smythe/Cup winner worth every penny? Yes! Was he still productive? He potted 42 last year? Was he a huge fan favorite? So was MAF. Is he still worth the 5M Nashville gave him? Very possibly. I think the most important question Vegas had to ask itself was........do you stay competitive giving 33 year olds five year contracts?
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Post by hsbob on Sept 20, 2024 7:51:55 GMT -6
In all fairness, the Wings still haven’t made the playoffs in Yzerman’s tenure. I don’t blame him for not wanting to overpay these young kids. I’d Seider or Raymond really worth what they just got? They’ve accomplished absolutely nothing so far. If anything, Seider seems to have taken half a step back. With the wings only 100k under the cap. They gotta make the playoffs now. Another failed year and where do they go? The rebuild was an absolute failure. Maybe it’s time to start ripping that apart….. again. That team is nowhere near Cup contention!!! Both young Detroit plyers joined a team DEEP into a rebuild,could any sane person blame Connor Bedard for the Hawks' record last year? Thes young players finally had a little talent around em last year and the team missed the PO's on a tie-braker with 91pts. Their best D-man is 23,their 2nd best forward is 22 and their system is highly rated,hardly an absolute failure in need of being ripped apart. Do they need to make the PO's this season? I'd say it's a set-back if they don't but not a failure if they're competitive all year. When I see the 8MX8 that Power and Sanderson got @20 after one good season,I think Seider's 8.5MX7 after 3 good seasons @23 is fair. The 'Ghost' saw all of Detroit's #1PP minutes last year but the Germain stallion still had his career best 9gls and a consistant 42pts. The big right-shot D-man also joined the 200/200 club (hits&blocks) while averaging over 22mins of all-purpose ice time and he hasn't missed a single game to injury through his first three seasons. He'll retire a Red Wing!
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Post by vadarx on Sept 20, 2024 8:19:39 GMT -6
In all fairness, the Wings still haven’t made the playoffs in Yzerman’s tenure. I don’t blame him for not wanting to overpay these young kids. I’d Seider or Raymond really worth what they just got? They’ve accomplished absolutely nothing so far. If anything, Seider seems to have taken half a step back. With the wings only 100k under the cap. They gotta make the playoffs now. Another failed year and where do they go? The rebuild was an absolute failure. Maybe it’s time to start ripping that apart….. again. That team is nowhere near Cup contention!!! they have a bunch more prospects coming and they'll have cap space again next summer. I doubt they will rip much apart if they miss. goaltending and defense will, once again, determine if they make the playoffs.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 20, 2024 8:27:52 GMT -6
In all fairness, the Wings still haven’t made the playoffs in Yzerman’s tenure. I don’t blame him for not wanting to overpay these young kids. I’d Seider or Raymond really worth what they just got? They’ve accomplished absolutely nothing so far. If anything, Seider seems to have taken half a step back. With the wings only 100k under the cap. They gotta make the playoffs now. Another failed year and where do they go? The rebuild was an absolute failure. Maybe it’s time to start ripping that apart….. again. That team is nowhere near Cup contention!!! Both young Detroit plyers joined a team DEEP into a rebuild,could any sane person blame Connor Bedard for the Hawks' record last year? Thes young players finally had a little talent around em last year and the team missed the PO's on a tie-braker with 91pts. Their best D-man is 23,their 2nd best forward is 22 and their system is highly rated,hardly an absolute failure in need of being ripped apart. Do they need to make the PO's this season? I'd say it's a set-back if they don't but not a failure if they're competitive all year. When I see the 8MX8 that Power and Sanderson got @20 after one good season,I think Seider's 8.5M7 after 3 good seasons @23 is fair. The 'Ghost' saw all of Detroit's #1PP minutes last year but the Germain stallion still had his career best 9gls and a consistant 42pts. The big right-shot D-man also joined the 200/200 club (hits&blocks) while averaging over 22mins of all-purpose ice time and he hasn't missed a single game to injury through his first three seasons. He'll retire a Red Wing! I dunno, man. as I said above, I don't see them tearing things down again if they miss the playoffs, but the natives are getting restless. I doubt anyone is fired, but maybe they move a prospect or three for a big name next summer. or maybe Yzerman gets a little more loose with the cap hits in free agency. they are going to need a younger name than Kaner to push em to the next level, imo. maybe they chase Rantanen? I like Seider, but I think his contract is what it is because of concerns about how much offense he will provide. he strikes me as more of an all around guy than a real offensive threat. it'll be interesting to see if he gets the pp1 time this season now that Ghost is gone...
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Post by BigT on Sept 20, 2024 9:59:50 GMT -6
In all fairness, the Wings still haven’t made the playoffs in Yzerman’s tenure. I don’t blame him for not wanting to overpay these young kids. I’d Seider or Raymond really worth what they just got? They’ve accomplished absolutely nothing so far. If anything, Seider seems to have taken half a step back. With the wings only 100k under the cap. They gotta make the playoffs now. Another failed year and where do they go? The rebuild was an absolute failure. Maybe it’s time to start ripping that apart….. again. That team is nowhere near Cup contention!!! Both young Detroit plyers joined a team DEEP into a rebuild,could any sane person blame Connor Bedard for the Hawks' record last year? Thes young players finally had a little talent around em last year and the team missed the PO's on a tie-braker with 91pts. Their best D-man is 23,their 2nd best forward is 22 and their system is highly rated,hardly an absolute failure in need of being ripped apart. Do they need to make the PO's this season? I'd say it's a set-back if they don't but not a failure if they're competitive all year. When I see the 8MX8 that Power and Sanderson got @20 after one good season,I think Seider's 8.5M7 after 3 good seasons @23 is fair. The 'Ghost' saw all of Detroit's #1PP minutes last year but the Germain stallion still had his career best 9gls and a consistant 42pts. The big right-shot D-man also joined the 200/200 club (hits&blocks) while averaging over 22mins of all-purpose ice time and he hasn't missed a single game to injury through his first three seasons. He'll retire a Red Wing! I respect that. I just think they’ve been rebuilding for almost a decade now and still no playoffs. They have good players, but so far no great players. If they lost Kane. That team would a been in dire straits (queue the guitar, then MTV). Kane scored some big goals for them. And set up a bunch too. We’ll see what happens. But if they mis the playoffs, I don’t see how they can just move forward like nothing happened. A decade is a long time to rebuild. They tried it the “honest” way. They missed out on top end talent. They relied on the lotto balls to go their way when they were always 5-7 in the draft. It’s hard to rebuild with that many mediocre picks. Again, they’ve got good players. But their two best aren’t even from their system. That’s rough. Very rough. I hope they get in, cuz the league needs a healthy Detroit team!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 20, 2024 13:34:07 GMT -6
Both young Detroit plyers joined a team DEEP into a rebuild,could any sane person blame Connor Bedard for the Hawks' record last year? Thes young players finally had a little talent around em last year and the team missed the PO's on a tie-braker with 91pts. Their best D-man is 23,their 2nd best forward is 22 and their system is highly rated,hardly an absolute failure in need of being ripped apart. Do they need to make the PO's this season? I'd say it's a set-back if they don't but not a failure if they're competitive all year. When I see the 8MX8 that Power and Sanderson got @20 after one good season,I think Seider's 8.5M7 after 3 good seasons @23 is fair. The 'Ghost' saw all of Detroit's #1PP minutes last year but the Germain stallion still had his career best 9gls and a consistant 42pts. The big right-shot D-man also joined the 200/200 club (hits&blocks) while averaging over 22mins of all-purpose ice time and he hasn't missed a single game to injury through his first three seasons. He'll retire a Red Wing! I dunno, man. as I said above, I don't see them tearing things down again if they miss the playoffs, but the natives are getting restless. I doubt anyone is fired, but maybe they move a prospect or three for a big name next summer. or maybe Yzerman gets a little more loose with the cap hits in free agency. they are going to need a younger name than Kaner to push em to the next level, imo. maybe they chase Rantanen? I like Seider, but I think his contract is what it is because of concerns about how much offense he will provide. he strikes me as more of an all around guy than a real offensive threat. it'll be interesting to see if he gets the pp1 time this season now that Ghost is gone...They do have Erik Gustafsson........................................
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Post by vadarx on Sept 20, 2024 14:15:43 GMT -6
Both young Detroit plyers joined a team DEEP into a rebuild,could any sane person blame Connor Bedard for the Hawks' record last year? Thes young players finally had a little talent around em last year and the team missed the PO's on a tie-braker with 91pts. Their best D-man is 23,their 2nd best forward is 22 and their system is highly rated,hardly an absolute failure in need of being ripped apart. Do they need to make the PO's this season? I'd say it's a set-back if they don't but not a failure if they're competitive all year. When I see the 8MX8 that Power and Sanderson got @20 after one good season,I think Seider's 8.5M7 after 3 good seasons @23 is fair. The 'Ghost' saw all of Detroit's #1PP minutes last year but the Germain stallion still had his career best 9gls and a consistant 42pts. The big right-shot D-man also joined the 200/200 club (hits&blocks) while averaging over 22mins of all-purpose ice time and he hasn't missed a single game to injury through his first three seasons. He'll retire a Red Wing! I respect that. I just think they’ve been rebuilding for almost a decade now and still no playoffs. They have good players, but so far no great players. If they lost Kane. That team would a been in dire straits (queue the guitar, then MTV). Kane scored some big goals for them. And set up a bunch too. We’ll see what happens. But if they mis the playoffs, I don’t see how they can just move forward like nothing happened. A decade is a long time to rebuild. They tried it the “honest” way. They missed out on top end talent. They relied on the lotto balls to go their way when they were always 5-7 in the draft. It’s hard to rebuild with that many mediocre picks. Again, they’ve got good players. But their two best aren’t even from their system. That’s rough. Very rough. I hope they get in, cuz the league needs a healthy Detroit team!!! 1. damn you to hell for putting that song in my head. 2. no, no the league does not need a healthy detroit team. I believe this has been proven over the course of the past 10 years or so. fuck detroit. 😎
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Post by BigT on Sept 20, 2024 15:52:54 GMT -6
I respect that. I just think they’ve been rebuilding for almost a decade now and still no playoffs. They have good players, but so far no great players. If they lost Kane. That team would a been in dire straits (queue the guitar, then MTV). Kane scored some big goals for them. And set up a bunch too. We’ll see what happens. But if they mis the playoffs, I don’t see how they can just move forward like nothing happened. A decade is a long time to rebuild. They tried it the “honest” way. They missed out on top end talent. They relied on the lotto balls to go their way when they were always 5-7 in the draft. It’s hard to rebuild with that many mediocre picks. Again, they’ve got good players. But their two best aren’t even from their system. That’s rough. Very rough. I hope they get in, cuz the league needs a healthy Detroit team!!! 1. damn you to hell for putting song in my head. 2. no, no the league does not need a healthy detroit team. I believe this has been proven over the course of the past 10 years or so. fuck detroit. 😎 We gotta meet up at a game. Downtown is awesome again. Like really nice. I was at the lions home opener. Just a great atmosphere. Went to a few Bars. Harrys has the greatest burger you can find. And it’s literally right beside little Caesars. Great times. 4.5 million people in the metro motor city. It’s a big city. It can only help the NHL. I love me some Detroit area!!!
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Post by vadarx on Sept 20, 2024 20:00:59 GMT -6
1. damn you to hell for putting song in my head. 2. no, no the league does not need a healthy detroit team. I believe this has been proven over the course of the past 10 years or so. fuck detroit. 😎 We gotta meet up at a game. Downtown is awesome again. Like really nice. I was at the lions home opener. Just a great atmosphere. Went to a few Bars. Harrys has the greatest burger you can find. And it’s literally right beside little Caesars. Great times. 4.5 million people in the metro motor city. It’s a big city. It can only help the NHL. I love me some Detroit area!!! yeah, one of these days I'll make to the pizza arena for a game. in a few years 'hawks/wangs might be a hot ticket again.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 21, 2024 8:57:58 GMT -6
Both young Detroit plyers joined a team DEEP into a rebuild,could any sane person blame Connor Bedard for the Hawks' record last year? Thes young players finally had a little talent around em last year and the team missed the PO's on a tie-braker with 91pts. Their best D-man is 23,their 2nd best forward is 22 and their system is highly rated,hardly an absolute failure in need of being ripped apart. Do they need to make the PO's this season? I'd say it's a set-back if they don't but not a failure if they're competitive all year. When I see the 8MX8 that Power and Sanderson got @20 after one good season,I think Seider's 8.5M7 after 3 good seasons @23 is fair. The 'Ghost' saw all of Detroit's #1PP minutes last year but the Germain stallion still had his career best 9gls and a consistant 42pts. The big right-shot D-man also joined the 200/200 club (hits&blocks) while averaging over 22mins of all-purpose ice time and he hasn't missed a single game to injury through his first three seasons. He'll retire a Red Wing! I respect that. I just think they’ve been rebuilding for almost a decade now and still no playoffs. They have good players, but so far no great players. If they lost Kane. That team would a been in dire straits (queue the guitar, then MTV). Kane scored some big goals for them. And set up a bunch too. We’ll see what happens. But if they mis the playoffs, I don’t see how they can just move forward like nothing happened. A decade is a long time to rebuild. They tried it the “honest” way. They missed out on top end talent. They relied on the lotto balls to go their way when they were always 5-7 in the draft. It’s hard to rebuild with that many mediocre picks. Again, they’ve got good players. But their two best aren’t even from their system. That’s rough. Very rough. I hope they get in, cuz the league needs a healthy Detroit team!!! I agree that missing agian would be a set-back but how you miss and the team's direction/development also matter. Rebuilding teams Buf and Ott looked to be ahead of Det the year before last,both also missed last year while never being 'in it',BUT the Wings had em on the edge of their seats up until the last night of the season. If Detroit puts up 94-96pts in THAT division,if a few youngsters like 6'6" 2i0lb D-man Edvinsson and forward Berggren hit and stick,if younger forwards Rasmussen and Veleno develop further and if recently rewarded 22yro Raymond and 23yro Seider continue to improve.......I have to think that'll be a successful season because of direction/development . If the big guns have good seasons and if they get even average goaltending from Talbot,Husso and Lyon,with Jack Campbell also on the roster......they'd be in IMO. Maybe Detroit has been rebuilding for almost a decade but Stevie Y's only been in charge for the last five and his first two 1st round picks(Seider and Raymond)made the league at 20&19 and have become very good players......we'll see what comes from his last three drafts. His third 1st round pick(#6 OA) 21yro D-man Simon Edvinsson is expected to make the team this year after two good ones in GR,21yro GT Cossa(taken 15th OA in the same draft)has been outstanding at every level so far and 19yro D-man Sandin-Pellika(17th OA in '23') has been the best D-men in every tourney I've seen him in. That still leaves 1st round forwards Kasper(20yrso #8 OA),Danielson(19yrso #9 OA) and Brandsegg-Nygard(18yrso #15 OA),to go along with Trey Augustine and other later round prospects. The 'Hockey writers' rank Detroit's prospect pool @ #4 and they possess all of their picks the next three years as well. Kane did score some HUGE goals for the Wings last year and will again this year. D-Cat could have a nice 35+ goal season playing with either Kane or Larkin/Raymond and Tarasenko could see a resurgence but make no mistake Larkin(1st in goals 2nd in points) and Raymond (2nd in goals 1st in points) are their two best players......both from their system. Define great. Dlyan Larkin is now a point-a-game center who plays 20mins of outstanding two-way hockey and wins 55% of his draws. www.mlive.com/redwings/2024/09/dylan-larkin-eyes-next-level-for-himself-red-wings-as-camp-begins.html
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Post by Tater on Sept 21, 2024 11:33:46 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 21, 2024 18:45:40 GMT -6
One thing about Vegas, they’re F****** ruthless. They will do anything to get to the top. I’m not sure it doesn’t catch up to them. Hockey has a different way of looking at things. Can’t keep casting guys aside. It’ll eventually catch up!!! if you believe lehner (and friedman's sources), it was already known he wouldn't be showing up for his physical. Days after missing a physical at the beginning of training camp, Vegas Golden Knights goaltender Robin Lehner made a brief statement, saying, “All I can say at this time is everyone knows why I couldn’t be there. I am waiting calmly for things to be sorted out.”According to several sources, everyone involved knew Lehner would not be there. Those same sources indicate the NHL, NHLPA and Vegas are working on a solution. “(Robin) will not be reporting to the club this year,” Vegas GM Kelly McCrimmon said Thursday. “He continues to be unfit to play. There are unique circumstances surrounding this situation that the NHL, the NHLPA and (Vegas) are working through. Collectively, we are assessing our next steps, and when we have more to say, we will.”even knowing lehner would be a no-show, maybe mccrimmon's hoping he can get out from under that contract on some kind of technicality. have to wait and see how this one pans out. www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/golden-knights-robin-lehner-makes-statement-after-camp-absence/
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Post by BigT on Sept 21, 2024 20:05:36 GMT -6
Vegas seems kinda off side. I’m not on Lehners side of their side. But Martinez has nothing good to say about them, also Marchesault and a few others. It just sounds like they’re ruthless in their pursuit of winning. Not sure that works out longer term. We’ll see soon enough!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 21, 2024 21:34:29 GMT -6
1 year, $875,000. 45-43-12 lifetime. 3.07 and .905%. pretty good value for such short term.
it will be easier to root for him now that he's out of nashville.
most likely be him and silovs until demko comes back, whenever that may be.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 22, 2024 0:39:15 GMT -6
just preseason, but it's sure nice to see and study actual boxscores again.
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Post by Tater on Sept 22, 2024 2:11:09 GMT -6
just preseason, but it's sure nice to see and study actual boxscores again. Oh man, I see nothing under your text.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 22, 2024 2:19:29 GMT -6
just preseason, but it's sure nice to see and study actual boxscores again. Oh man, I see nothing under your text. Nothing to see because nothing was posted. Just commented after seeing scoreboard at nhl.com.
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Post by Tater on Sept 22, 2024 2:42:32 GMT -6
Oh man, I see nothing under your text. Nothing to see because nothing was posted. Just commented after seeing scoreboard at nhl.com.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 22, 2024 10:16:07 GMT -6
Vegas seems kinda off side. I’m not on Lehners side of their side. But Martinez has nothing good to say about them, also Marchesault and a few others. It just sounds like they’re ruthless in their pursuit of winning. Not sure that works out longer term. We’ll see soon enough!!! I have no doubt Vegas is all business,like I said in another post,but I was able to catch McCrimmon on NHLN in the truck yesterday. Lenher hasn't dressed for the team in two years and two years should be long enough to address an injury and a stint or two on the assistance program too.........no? McCrimmon said the last time he talked to Lehner was a year ago when he gave him his Cup ring,even though he didn't play a single regular or postseason game all year.....what a bum. The Vegas GM said 'Lehner was a big part of the team's path the year before' and showed him the respect of having his name on the Cup and a ring. He also had great things to say about Marchessault,he added the player could have stayed in LV because the team offered the 33yro a four-year deal but the player opted for the five-year deal from Nash. He didn't mention an amount, but I doubt they asked him to take a pay cut from 5M following a 42 goal season
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Post by steamer on Sept 24, 2024 10:25:58 GMT -6
Did I see E Kane to start season on long term IR because of hip, groin and hernia surgery. bowman will have his hands full this year. Welcome back to the NHL!
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Post by Nikos on Sept 24, 2024 10:31:35 GMT -6
Did I see E Kane to start season on long term IR because of hip, groin and hernia surgery. bowman will have his hands full this year. Welcome back to the NHL! He will park him on LITR.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 24, 2024 10:35:23 GMT -6
Did I see E Kane to start season on long term IR because of hip, groin and hernia surgery. bowman will have his hands full this year. Welcome back to the NHL! likely the next contestant on the "I was on LTIR all season and now I am back, fully healthy, for game 1 of the playoffs" show, imo...
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Post by BigT on Sept 24, 2024 11:03:43 GMT -6
Did I see E Kane to start season on long term IR because of hip, groin and hernia surgery. bowman will have his hands full this year. Welcome back to the NHL! likely the next contestant on the "I was on LTIR all season and now I am back, fully healthy, for game 1 of the playoffs" show, imo... Now watch the deadline pick ups he makes with that extra 5 million rubles!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 24, 2024 21:11:57 GMT -6
nice to see john hayden still plying his trade in this league. i always liked him. chicago born as well. i'd kind of forgotten about him, but this will be his 3rd year with the kraken. he's just played 9 nhl games with them the prior 2 years, scoring 2 goals.
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Post by creature on Sept 25, 2024 13:52:33 GMT -6
likely the next contestant on the "I was on LTIR all season and now I am back, fully healthy, for game 1 of the playoffs" show, imo... Now watch the deadline pick ups he makes with that extra 5 million rubles!!! If they are Barney Rubles maybe he can get Fred Flintstone.🤪
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Post by BigT on Sept 25, 2024 14:51:49 GMT -6
Now watch the deadline pick ups he makes with that extra 5 million rubles!!! If they are Barney Rubles maybe he can get Fred Flintstone.🤪 Miss ya here buddy!!!
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Post by creature on Sept 25, 2024 16:35:19 GMT -6
Left ya a post but they want to charge me. I'm gone.
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