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Post by gigecj on Jul 15, 2021 19:11:09 GMT -6
Yeah, those mid-to-late eighties, early nineties Pistons teams made the Philly Flyers of the seventies seem like a band of angels. Just curious, who among you was like me in that every single time (out of a million times!) Bill Laimbeer did some kind of criminal act, was given a foul, and gave the ref that face that said "What did I do? You gotta be bleeping me!," you wanted someone to haul off and give him a gigantic KO on the schnozzola? With a house brick! Yeah, that's about what I had in mind! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 17, 2021 5:15:58 GMT -6
expansion draft protection list is due in today at some point. not sure what time.
guesses on which d-men we leave unprotected?
I'm gonna say we protect Stillman, Murphy, and Jones, leaving lurch and deHaan available. or, I at least I hope that is what happens...
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 17, 2021 7:44:26 GMT -6
expansion draft protection list is due in today at some point. not sure what time. guesses on which d-men we leave unprotected? I'm gonna say we protect Stillman, Murphy, and Jones, leaving lurch and deHaan available. or, I at least I hope that is what happens... I like Big Z, I say him, Murphy and Stillman. Considering there will be much better options out there than Jones, he won't be taken. But this is Bowman so he'll probably protect him. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 17, 2021 8:32:29 GMT -6
expansion draft protection list is due in today at some point. not sure what time. guesses on which d-men we leave unprotected? I'm gonna say we protect Stillman, Murphy, and Jones, leaving lurch and deHaan available. or, I at least I hope that is what happens... I like Big Z, I say him, Murphy and Stillman. Considering there will be much better options out there than Jones, he won't be taken. But this is Bowman so he'll probably protect him. I think they have to protect Z. That would be the worst trade if he gives up Saad, retains salary, gets back Z and let’s him walk. The D as it is right now sucks terribly. Going with Murphy, DeHaan, Stillman, Boqvist, Beaudin, Jones, Kalynuk and or Mitchell will be a guaranteed last overall. I don’t get the thought process here? Anyways, I’m sure I’ll have to get out another…….. yes another pitchfork this afternoon!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 17, 2021 8:53:58 GMT -6
expansion draft protection list is due in today at some point. not sure what time. guesses on which d-men we leave unprotected? I'm gonna say we protect Stillman, Murphy, and Jones, leaving lurch and deHaan available. or, I at least I hope that is what happens... I like Big Z, I say him, Murphy and Stillman. Considering there will be much better options out there than Jones, he won't be taken. But this is Bowman so he'll probably protect him. replacing Stillman with Z won't shock me at all, but I feel like with the reports of Z asking for so much with his new contract, they might be content to lose him and use the money elsewhere. I'd also say that this would force the Krak to choose between a guy who needs a new deal and a guy who is a vet and could be moved at the deadline. this might cause them to take DeHaan and give us even more cap space to work with... |
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Post by BigT on Jul 17, 2021 10:04:17 GMT -6
I like Big Z, I say him, Murphy and Stillman. Considering there will be much better options out there than Jones, he won't be taken. But this is Bowman so he'll probably protect him. replacing Stillman with Z won't shock me at all, but I feel like with the reports of Z asking for so much with his new contract, they might be content to lose him and use the money elsewhere. I'd also say that this would force the Krak to choose between a guy who needs a new deal and a guy who is a vet and could be moved at the deadline. this might cause them to take DeHaan and give us even more cap space to work with... The Kraken have said that they will go right to the cap limit to get the right players. So they’re clearly looking to take Vegas’s model. So don’t be surprised if they take a #4 dman in deHaan. I personally don’t mind him. I seen the good that he does and he’s great off the ice. Hawks just aren’t set up for positional players at this point. They need the coveted #1 and #2 dmen, then deHaan. It’s like putting a band aid over a chainsaw wound!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 17, 2021 10:04:43 GMT -6
I like Big Z, I say him, Murphy and Stillman. Considering there will be much better options out there than Jones, he won't be taken. But this is Bowman so he'll probably protect him. I think they have to protect Z. That would be the worst trade if he gives up Saad, retains salary, gets back Z and let’s him walk. The D as it is right now sucks terribly. Going with Murphy, DeHaan, Stillman, Boqvist, Beaudin, Jones, Kalynuk and or Mitchell will be a guaranteed last overall. I don’t get the thought process here? Anyways, I’m sure I’ll have to get out another…….. yes another pitchfork this afternoon!!! That's the thing about Z, it'd mean the Saad trade was a bust. Losing Keith was hard to see but now that the dust has settled, not retaining salary and getting a 3rd plus Jones was pretty good considering Keith will soon be 38. So if they don't protect Jones and he's taken it won't be as bad as losing BigZ. Protect the 3 physical dmen in Z, Murph, and Stillman. They have plenty of small offensive dmen in the system to pair them with, hopefully without Boqvist. de Haan will most likely go to the Kraken, maybe with a sweetener. I doubt the Hawks D will look like the one's you listed. I'll keep my pitchfork down till we see how this summer goes. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 17, 2021 10:12:26 GMT -6
replacing Stillman with Z won't shock me at all, but I feel like with the reports of Z asking for so much with his new contract, they might be content to lose him and use the money elsewhere. I'd also say that this would force the Krak to choose between a guy who needs a new deal and a guy who is a vet and could be moved at the deadline. this might cause them to take DeHaan and give us even more cap space to work with... The Kraken have said that they will go right to the cap limit to get the right players. So they’re clearly looking to take Vegas’s model. So don’t be surprised if they take a #4 dman in deHaan. I personally don’t mind him. I seen the good that he does and he’s great off the ice. Hawks just aren’t set up for positional players at this point. They need the coveted #1 and #2 dmen, then deHaan. It’s like putting a band aid over a chainsaw wound!!! de Haan has shown to be a great teammate since the World Juniors and he does block a lot of shots and plays smart defensively, as a #4 or bottom pairing guy the Kraken can afford him but not in Chicago, definitely need a top2 dman, hopefully two of them |
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Post by BigT on Jul 17, 2021 10:31:18 GMT -6
I think they have to protect Z. That would be the worst trade if he gives up Saad, retains salary, gets back Z and let’s him walk. The D as it is right now sucks terribly. Going with Murphy, DeHaan, Stillman, Boqvist, Beaudin, Jones, Kalynuk and or Mitchell will be a guaranteed last overall. I don’t get the thought process here? Anyways, I’m sure I’ll have to get out another…….. yes another pitchfork this afternoon!!! That's the thing about Z, it'd mean the Saad trade was a bust. Losing Keith was hard to see but now that the dust has settled, not retaining salary and getting a 3rd plus Jones was pretty good considering Keith will soon be 38. So if they don't protect Jones and he's taken it won't be as bad as losing BigZ. Protect the 3 physical dmen in Z, Murph, and Stillman. They have plenty of small offensive dmen in the system to pair them with, hopefully without Boqvist. de Haan will most likely go to the Kraken, maybe with a sweetener. I doubt the Hawks D will look like the one's you listed. I'll keep my pitchfork down till we see how this summer goes. Once again. I hope you’re right. I really do. But history is the best teacher, well, maybe Gig! So I don’t see I don’t see the management doing enough to get this straightened out. On Missing Curfew with Shane O’Brien, Scotty Upshall and Jimmy (the scoops) Hayes. Hayes said that Seth Jones will be a Hawk within the next two weeks. He said his source has told him the Hawks want him bad, and that a deal is imminent. Now, that’s not me. That’s them. Hayes called the Keith trade much before anyone else. So he obviously has source within the Hawks. We’ll see soon enough. I doubt the Hawks get Jones. I honestly think they may even keep him. I’m also highly doubt the BJs were seriously asking for Dach, Mitchell and Dcat. I really doubt it. I’d bet they wanted Dach and another guy like Mitchell. That’d be fair, but I still wouldn’t do it. I don’t think the Hawks are a Seth Jones away. Then if they do get him. He’s gonna be paired with a young kid, and he’ll look like Keith did, then everyone will say he’s a dud and not worth it. Plus the coaching here is not National League coaching. So I wouldn’t give up much to get him at this point. The best approach here is to probably stay the course and tank. They need top picks. Toews and Kane are gonna keep the team picking around 8-12. That’s not gonna get a rebuild done. Tank now and get chances at Shane Wright this year, and Connor Bedard next year!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 17, 2021 12:07:18 GMT -6
^ even if we get Seth that won't be enough to straighten the ship, doesn't matter who they get if the coach doesn't know how to use them.
Plus Keith was 37 and shouldn't have been paired with kids as the top2, Seth is big and in his prime, pairing him with Kalynuk or Beaudin would be a good pairing, even Stillman.
If they somehow get another top2 guy, or legit top4, they can play on the 2nd pair or top2 when needed.
Unless JC changes his defensive system, it'll be close getting in the playoffs with a bigger younger revamped D. Unless many guys have career years.
I doubt Stan will stay the course with lots of cap space. We'll soon see.
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Post by HawkeyLife07 on Jul 17, 2021 15:10:08 GMT -6
Forwards exposed: Quenneville, Carpenter, Connolly, Gaudette, Hino, Pirri, Smith
Defensemen exposed: CdH, Z, Lindholm
Goalies exposed: Subban, Delia
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 17, 2021 15:11:35 GMT -6
Eric Andrews
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#Blackhawks official protection list:
Borgstrom
DeBrincat
Hagel
Kampf
Kane
Strome
Toews
Jones
Murphy
Stillman
Lankinen
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 17, 2021 15:32:15 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jul 17, 2021 16:54:15 GMT -6
I hope Seattle takes Z. I'd rather keep DeHaan cuz he could get us another pick at the deadline.
personally, I would've protected Gaudette over Kampf, but I knew they wouldn't leave Kampf exposed. he is the teacher's pet...
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Post by BigT on Jul 17, 2021 17:15:50 GMT -6
That may be the worst collection of protected defensemen this world will ever lay eyes on. What a shitty trade for Z. What a gawd damn shitty trade that was. How many shitty trades does a loser get these days? My goodness!!!
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Post by squishy24 on Jul 17, 2021 17:33:16 GMT -6
Forwards exposed: Quenneville, Carpenter, Connolly, Gaudette, Hino, Pirri, Smith Defensemen exposed: CdH, Z, Lindholm Goalies exposed: Subban, Delia LOL not really giving Seattle anything eh? There are alot of good goalies not protected, so i doubt Subban or Delia gets picked |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 17, 2021 17:46:51 GMT -6
That may be the worst collection of protected defensemen this world will ever lay eyes on. What a shitty trade for Z. What a gawd damn shitty trade that was. How many shitty trades does a loser get these days? My goodness!!! Word is,the big Russian wants 6M AAV......he's worth about half that. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 17, 2021 17:53:49 GMT -6
Forwards exposed: Quenneville, Carpenter, Connolly, Gaudette, Hino, Pirri, Smith Defensemen exposed: CdH, Z, Lindholm Goalies exposed: Subban, Delia LOL not really giving Seattle anything eh? There are alot of good goalies not protected, so i doubt Subban or Delia gets picked |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 17, 2021 17:59:21 GMT -6
That may be the worst collection of protected defensemen this world will ever lay eyes on. What a shitty trade for Z. What a gawd damn shitty trade that was. How many shitty trades does a loser get these days? My goodness!!! Word is,the big Russian wants 6M AAV......he's worth about half that. if that... |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 17, 2021 18:03:46 GMT -6
Forwards exposed: Quenneville, Carpenter, Connolly, Gaudette, Hino, Pirri, Smith Defensemen exposed: CdH, Z, Lindholm Goalies exposed: Subban, Delia LOL not really giving Seattle anything eh? There are alot of good goalies not protected, so i doubt Subban or Delia gets picked the best part of this go around, to me anyway, is we don't have to give up other pieces to keep them from taking players we don't want to lose, ala the Vegas draft. no sweeteners needed. just take one and go, Seattle. a few teams lost good players today via trades just so they could avoid losing them for nothing. I really hope Bowman doesn't do something stupid and give up a player or pick just to move DeHaan, especially when he could be worth a decent pick at the deadline (if he stays healthy). |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 17, 2021 18:05:22 GMT -6
pretty much expected that. Knight is their guy next season. I wonder how long they hold onto Bob. I'll give it until 2023. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 17, 2021 18:09:54 GMT -6
That may be the worst collection of protected defensemen this world will ever lay eyes on. What a shitty trade for Z. What a gawd damn shitty trade that was. How many shitty trades does a loser get these days? My goodness!!! Word is,the big Russian wants 6M AAV......he's worth about half that. I would've been ok with giving Z de Haans money for 3yrs but not 6mill per for probably more years than he's probably asking for. If he's not taken can the Hawks let him go to arbitration? He'd probably get 3-3.5. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 17, 2021 18:17:05 GMT -6
pretty much expected that. Knight is their guy next season. I wonder how long they hold onto Bob. I'll give it until 2023. They got a pretty firm grip on Ol' Bob,Florida needs him to be at least good enough to play half the starts and he did look improved in his 2nd year down in Sunrise. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 17, 2021 18:22:45 GMT -6
Word is,the big Russian wants 6M AAV......he's worth about half that. I would've been ok with giving Z de Haans money for 3yrs but not 6mill per for probably more years than he's probably asking for. If he's not taken can the Hawks let him go to arbitration? He'd probably get 3-3.5. Seven full seasons @26,he's gotta be Arb eligible. Guy has 21 points in his last 119 games and 20 is his career high and I consider him somewhere a bit north or south of average defensively depending on the competition.........good forwards can skate around him. Your figure seems fair. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 17, 2021 18:40:39 GMT -6
Word is,the big Russian wants 6M AAV......he's worth about half that. I would've been ok with giving Z de Haans money for 3yrs but not 6mill per for probably more years than he's probably asking for. If he's not taken can the Hawks let him go to arbitration? He'd probably get 3-3.5. if he's exposed to seattle and not taken...yeah, it won't help his bottom line any. idk....maybe that's bowman's line of thinking. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 17, 2021 19:02:06 GMT -6
pretty much expected that. Knight is their guy next season. I wonder how long they hold onto Bob. I'll give it until 2023. They got a pretty firm grip on Ol' Bob,Florida needs him to be at least good enough to play half the starts and he did look improved in his 2nd year down in Sunrise. at 10 million per, I don't see him going anywhere else anytime soon... |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 17, 2021 19:04:24 GMT -6
Word is,the big Russian wants 6M AAV......he's worth about half that. I would've been ok with giving Z de Haans money for 3yrs but not 6mill per for probably more years than he's probably asking for. If he's not taken can the Hawks let him go to arbitration? He'd probably get 3-3.5. it seems to me like that is where this is headed. he is asking for wayyyy too much. anything more than what you said (3-3.5) is too much, imo. he wants a long term deal also, which I also would prefer not to do. if he wants more than 3 years, we better not give him more than 3 per... |
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Post by number9 on Jul 17, 2021 19:12:50 GMT -6
That may be the worst collection of protected defensemen this world will ever lay eyes on. What a shitty trade for Z. What a gawd damn shitty trade that was. How many shitty trades does a loser get these days? My goodness!!! Word is,the big Russian wants 6M AAV......he's worth about half that. so he thinks he's worth Bergeron, Pastrnak and Marchand kind of money. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 17, 2021 21:06:53 GMT -6
I wonder if Saad is one of their UFA targets. Offer him 7-8 per year for 3-4yrs.
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Post by vadarx on Jul 17, 2021 21:35:24 GMT -6
I wonder if Saad is one of their UFA targets. Offer him 7-8 per year for 3-4yrs. pass. unless he took a pay cut, I dunno that I'd want him. |
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