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Post by vadarx on Jul 27, 2021 20:52:31 GMT -6
I think that 2nd rounder is short lived . I think they’ll flip that in another trade to get rid of Shaw. I think Scambo has gone mad with power and money. Bitch better be cool, cuz he could sink the Hawks long term. For a long long while!!! tbh, I have a feeling this is coming from up high. they need more money coming in. booze can't pay all the bills... |
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Post by BigT on Jul 27, 2021 21:05:17 GMT -6
I think that 2nd rounder is short lived . I think they’ll flip that in another trade to get rid of Shaw. I think Scambo has gone mad with power and money. Bitch better be cool, cuz he could sink the Hawks long term. For a long long while!!! tbh, I have a feeling this is coming from up high. they need more money coming in. booze can't pay all the bills... I’ll be honest once again. I fear this could fail. The Central is just that tough. Vegas, Colorado, Winnipeg, Minny, St loo. I think making the playoffs is probably the goal. If Scambo and his coach fail, they’ll be gone quick. I think Scam will have to shit can him very quickly. Like very!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 27, 2021 21:07:26 GMT -6
tbh, I have a feeling this is coming from up high. they need more money coming in. booze can't pay all the bills... I’ll be honest once again. I fear this could fail. The Central is just that tough. Vegas, Colorado, Winnipeg, Minny, St loo. I think making the playoffs is probably the goal. If Scambo and his coach fail, they’ll be gone quick. I think Scam will have to shit can him very quickly. Like very!!! I agree on JC. if they start slow or look like shit, I can for sure see Bowman kicking him to the curb. the pressure from above to win is back on. need that concession and ticket sale money and, more importantly, that sweet sweet playoff money... |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 27, 2021 21:32:17 GMT -6
I'll say this, I like the Johnson move:
We gain almost 2M in live cap that can be used at any time and a pick. Even if the 'hawks weren't going for it (and I think with how barren the D is below Jones they won't make a good dent), losing a lot of dead cap like Seabrook's is not a bad thing. Even if we could flip it for LTIR once the season starts that much tends to only be good at the TDL for picks to put a team over the top.
P.S. Vegas ain't in the central. Colorado, Minny, Nashville, Winnipeg, and St Louis will probably give us fits, so the bottom three will likely be us, Dallas, or Arizona.
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Post by number9 on Jul 27, 2021 21:52:39 GMT -6
we still don't have any warriors up front. we really should have tried for Killorn
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Post by BigT on Jul 27, 2021 21:54:02 GMT -6
I'll say this, I like the Johnson move: We gain almost 2M in live cap that can be used at any time and a pick. Even if the 'hawks weren't going for it (and I think with how barren the D is below Jones they won't make a good dent), losing a lot of dead cap like Seabrook's is not a bad thing. Even if we could flip it for LTIR once the season starts that much tends to only be good at the TDL for picks to put a team over the top. P.S. Vegas ain't in the central. Colorado, Minny, Nashville, Winnipeg, and St Louis will probably give us fits, so the bottom three will likely be us, Dallas, or Arizona. Solid points. I don’t think Johnson is the player he was. He’s only 30, so hopefully Tampa found younger cheaper options and chose to use him improperly. Even though it helps free up an extra 2 million. He could end up being a total quagmire if he doesn’t produce. 5 million is a lot to pay a guy for 10-12 goals a year. This Hawks team will need 20 outta him. However, with the extra savings I’d go after Ritchie. If Shaws deal can be moved, I’d also go after Hyman to. Having guys like Toews, Dach, Ritchie, Hyman would add size to every line. That would be ideal!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jul 27, 2021 21:58:30 GMT -6
we still don't have any warriors up front. we really should have tried for Killorn He really really wanted to stay. He made it sound like he wasn’t into another team and it might affect his play. So, they best way forward is to dump Shaws deal. Then get Nick Ritchie, and Zach Hyman. That’s some size and some guys who’ll do the dirty work to get shit done. Adding Johnson is cool, but he’s also 5’8”. Not exactly what the Hawks need!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 27, 2021 22:02:16 GMT -6
I'll say this, I like the Johnson move: We gain almost 2M in live cap that can be used at any time and a pick. Even if the 'hawks weren't going for it (and I think with how barren the D is below Jones they won't make a good dent), losing a lot of dead cap like Seabrook's is not a bad thing. Even if we could flip it for LTIR once the season starts that much tends to only be good at the TDL for picks to put a team over the top. P.S. Vegas ain't in the central. Colorado, Minny, Nashville, Winnipeg, and St Louis will probably give us fits, so the bottom three will likely be us, Dallas, or Arizona. I wouldn't dislike it as much if he didn't have that 5 million cap hit for 3 more years. but, hopefully he is rejuvenated in Chicago. he has been a guy they wanted to get rid of for a couple years now, so maybe being someplace that wants him will help. and hopefully he stays healthy... |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 27, 2021 22:03:38 GMT -6
we still don't have any warriors up front. we really should have tried for Killorn He really really wanted to stay. He made it sound like he wasn’t into another team and it might affect his play. So, they best way forward is to dump Shaws deal. Then get Nick Ritchie, and Zach Hyman. That’s some size and some guys who’ll do the dirty work to get shit done. Adding Johnson is cool, but he’s also 5’8”. Not exactly what the Hawks need!!! I dunno how the afford Zach now. we would have to move someone else and also likely forgo signing any other RFAs. AZ wanna take Shaw for a 5th rounder? |
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Post by number9 on Jul 27, 2021 22:05:36 GMT -6
we still don't have any warriors up front. we really should have tried for Killorn He really really wanted to stay. He made it sound like he wasn’t into another team and it might affect his play. So, they best way forward is to dump Shaws deal. Then get Nick Ritchie, and Zach Hyman. That’s some size and some guys who’ll do the dirty work to get shit done. Adding Johnson is cool, but he’s also 5’8”. Not exactly what the Hawks need!!! Hyman would be great on a line with Toews and Kane. But I'm not sure about Ritchie. It seems like the Bruins fans really want to see him go. But I still can't believe the MAF trade, goaltending was the only bright spot last year (don't forget the Hawks led the league in high percentage chances against). We have so many other more important needs. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 27, 2021 22:08:56 GMT -6
we still don't have any warriors up front. we really should have tried for Killorn Adding Johnson is cool, but he’s also 5’8”. Not exactly what the Hawks need!!! 185 pounds, though. that's pretty dense. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 27, 2021 22:25:05 GMT -6
I'll say this, I like the Johnson move: We gain almost 2M in live cap that can be used at any time and a pick. Even if the 'hawks weren't going for it (and I think with how barren the D is below Jones they won't make a good dent), losing a lot of dead cap like Seabrook's is not a bad thing. Even if we could flip it for LTIR once the season starts that much tends to only be good at the TDL for picks to put a team over the top. P.S. Vegas ain't in the central. Colorado, Minny, Nashville, Winnipeg, and St Louis will probably give us fits, so the bottom three will likely be us, Dallas, or Arizona. I wouldn't dislike it as much if he didn't have that 5 million cap hit for 3 more years. but, hopefully he is rejuvenated in Chicago. he has been a guy they wanted to get rid of for a couple years now, so maybe being someplace that wants him will help. and hopefully he stays healthy... His 5M extends 1 year beyond Seabrook's deal, so we have ~2M in cap advantage over what we would have had with Seabs on the books until Seabs would have been done and the 5M hits us...and 5M, while a lot, is not *a lot*. It's not the same 5M that kicked in for Keith way back when we won the 1st cup. By that time Toews and Kane should be off their current deals. Given what Ovi signed for that might be some relief because Kane and Toews aren't Ovi and he's making a mill less than both of them right now. With the core contracts off of the books that 5M shouldn't be as much of a monolithic deal as Seth Jones's. Also, like Jones and MAF (possibly), let's see what they do on the ice in the Indianhead first. For all we know Johnson is a ~20G player again...or he could be a dud. |
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Post by vonbeck on Jul 27, 2021 22:48:40 GMT -6
Adding Johnson is cool, but he’s also 5’8”. Not exactly what the Hawks need!!! 185 pounds, though. that's pretty dense. Oh, no! I'm 5'9" 195 lbs. That makes me down right pudgy  Anyway, I really don't mind the Johnson trade. Hopefully it's one of those "change of scenery" things. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 27, 2021 23:05:55 GMT -6
I wouldn't dislike it as much if he didn't have that 5 million cap hit for 3 more years. but, hopefully he is rejuvenated in Chicago. he has been a guy they wanted to get rid of for a couple years now, so maybe being someplace that wants him will help. and hopefully he stays healthy... His 5M extends 1 year beyond Seabrook's deal, so we have ~2M in cap advantage over what we would have had with Seabs on the books until Seabs would have been done and the 5M hits us...and 5M, while a lot, is not *a lot*. It's not the same 5M that kicked in for Keith way back when we won the 1st cup. By that time Toews and Kane should be off their current deals. Given what Ovi signed for that might be some relief because Kane and Toews aren't Ovi and he's making a mill less than both of them right now. With the core contracts off of the books that 5M shouldn't be as much of a monolithic deal as Seth Jones's. Also, like Jones and MAF (possibly), let's see what they do on the ice in the Indianhead first. For all we know Johnson is a ~20G player again...or he could be a dud. 5 million for a bottom 6 guy is a lot, but as you said, let's see how he looks in the ice. as von and I said, hopefully a change of scenery will help. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 27, 2021 23:10:29 GMT -6
185 pounds, though. that's pretty dense. Oh, no! I'm 5'9" 195 lbs. That makes me down right pudgy Anyway, I really don't mind the Johnson trade. Hopefully it's one of those "change of scenery" things. no. 5'9" and 195 lbs. makes you "thick". i'm 6'3" and 240 lbs. and have been called both "thick" and "dense" so don't get caught up in the names. as to your last sentence, if there's a candidate who might benefit from a change of scenery i think it's johnson. fingers crossed. |
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Post by jaty84 on Jul 28, 2021 0:22:36 GMT -6
Weird, weird morning seeing both those trades. I'm shaking my head. The day before I've been shaking my head as well, but with regard to latest Arizona trades and their repeated rebuild and in general, a bad team managing. This IMHO is very close to it.
As many of you said, we're in a stage between "we're in a rebuild" / "we're going for it". You simply cannot change your approach every off-season. How will the team perform if one summer you add Flower and Johnson (hoping for best case scenario that both will arrive and play solid) and other summer you add in DeHaan and Maatta who with their caphits aren't performing up to their limits.
If we would continue with rebuild, then DeHaan makes sense - to be a leader for younger players. I would be OK with that. But now, when we're again in a "we're all in" mode, he will be a burden because with his caphit he's hindering going after better D options you need to get into playoffs and make a deep run.
On top of that. Did we help ourselves with those trades? Hell no. There will be a lot of good players available in the UFA market who we could have gotten for free. Instead, we helped 2 teams to see light at the end of tunnel called "cap hell". From both of those trades we got one 2nd round pick. No promising player prospect, nothing.
If we really wanted to have solid goaltending, then either CC could have stayed or why trading Lehner away? Bowman is basically now demonstrating that Fleury is a better option for us going forward than younger and cheaper Lehner. OK, Fleury is on only for a season, but so what...
I tend to agree with BigT - SB is in a desperation mode. Which will unfortunately set Hawks a couple of years back again when they finally will have to make a proper rebuild. However, we won't have any tradechips then to accumulate draft picks. What we'll only have will be capspace availability to absorb stupid contracts. And we've seen how this path works for Arizona...
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Post by Tater on Jul 28, 2021 0:35:59 GMT -6
i'm 6'3" and 240 lbs. and have been called both "thick" and "dense" so don't get caught up in the names. Can you play D, and are you a UFA?
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Post by vadarx on Jul 28, 2021 0:43:12 GMT -6
i'm 6'3" and 240 lbs. and have been called both "thick" and "dense" so don't get caught up in the names. Can you play D, and are you a UFA?
has a leg injury and couldn't get away from a dog. don't want. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 28, 2021 0:46:24 GMT -6
i'm 6'3" and 240 lbs. and have been called both "thick" and "dense" so don't get caught up in the names. Can you play D, and are you a UFA?
i skate on my ankles and can't play D. useless fat ass? yeah, i guess so. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 28, 2021 1:06:12 GMT -6
Can you play D, and are you a UFA?
i skate on my ankles and can't play D. useless fat ass? yeah, i guess so. goaltender then? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 28, 2021 6:24:23 GMT -6
lot of rumblings in twitter land about buffalo's jake mcabe possibly heading our way.
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Post by jaty84 on Jul 28, 2021 6:44:54 GMT -6
lot of rumblings in twitter land about buffalo's jake mcabe possibly heading our way. We'll trade MAF for him? That would be the final nail to assure MAF's retirement  |
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Post by BigT on Jul 28, 2021 6:58:10 GMT -6
He really really wanted to stay. He made it sound like he wasn’t into another team and it might affect his play. So, they best way forward is to dump Shaws deal. Then get Nick Ritchie, and Zach Hyman. That’s some size and some guys who’ll do the dirty work to get shit done. Adding Johnson is cool, but he’s also 5’8”. Not exactly what the Hawks need!!! I dunno how the afford Zach now. we would have to move someone else and also likely forgo signing any other RFAs. AZ wanna take Shaw for a 5th rounder? We got the extra 2nd next year now. So might as well ship that and a 3rd to them or a prospect to take Shaws deal. It’s possible. Shaws money goes directly to Hyman. But it looks like Flower ain’t coming. Wahhh wahhhh!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 28, 2021 7:08:13 GMT -6
I dunno how the afford Zach now. we would have to move someone else and also likely forgo signing any other RFAs. AZ wanna take Shaw for a 5th rounder? We got the extra 2nd next year now. So might as well ship that and a 3rd to them or a prospect to take Shaws deal. It’s possible. Shaws money goes directly to Hyman. But it looks like Flower ain’t coming. Wahhh wahhhh!!! well, I think we all know how I feel about trading draft pucks here, but at this point may as well go all the way... we have 2 second rounds in 23 and 2 thirds in 22 now. I'd say one of those thirds might do it..... |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 28, 2021 8:01:29 GMT -6
We got the extra 2nd next year now. So might as well ship that and a 3rd to them or a prospect to take Shaws deal. It’s possible. Shaws money goes directly to Hyman. But it looks like Flower ain’t coming. Wahhh wahhhh!!! well, I think we all know how I feel about trading draft pucks here, but at this point may as well go all the way... we have 2 second rounds in 23 and 2 thirds in 22 now. I'd say one of those thirds might do it..... Why not sit on Shaw's 3.9M until it's made available through LTIR instead of hemorrhaging more picks,they'll still be FA's and trades available and you never know who gets cut at camp. Somebody tell the drunken sailor! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 28, 2021 8:02:37 GMT -6
well, I think we all know how I feel about trading draft pucks here, but at this point may as well go all the way... we have 2 second rounds in 23 and 2 thirds in 22 now. I'd say one of those thirds might do it..... Why not sit on Shaw's 3.9M until it's made available through LTIR instead of hemorrhaging more picks,they'll still be FA's and trades available and you never know who gets cut at camp. Somebody tell the drunken sailor! I agree, but to answer your question: so he has more money to spend! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 28, 2021 8:53:47 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Jul 28, 2021 9:20:22 GMT -6
WBBM just reported it but no details. The Jones brothers and McCabe replace Keith,Boqvist and Z......should be interesting watching the new guys chase forwards out to the blue-line.. Does this mean we ended up with a 3rd for Panarin? |
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Post by gigecj on Jul 28, 2021 9:55:27 GMT -6
Late 3rd actually. Nice value
Stan is smokin'
...something
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 28, 2021 10:56:24 GMT -6
I get it if we can't afford Zadorov, but I don't like it. It essentially means that for the story thus far, Panarin was dealt for a Calgary 3rd. That was the same price for Bollig. It may not be an apples-to-apples comparison but that stings especially when you compare it to Karpo for Hjammer, getting the most out of him and then flipping it for Murph, who's at least a serviceable bottom pair. |
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