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Post by T-man2010 on Aug 31, 2021 9:42:03 GMT -6
WBBM news radio Chicago just reported Connor Murphy extended for four years,no specifics so far. Murphy signs four-year contract extension with Blackhawks Defenseman will get $4.4 million starting in 2022-23, scored 15 points last season |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 31, 2021 9:45:34 GMT -6
WBBM news radio Chicago just reported Connor Murphy extended for four years,no specifics so far. 4.4 per year. It's a good deal for what he brings on and off the ice. Plus he's been very serious with his health the past couple years and it shows. His good friend McCabe signed for 4yrs, seems fitting they signed Murphy for the same length but for slightly more. Those 2 could be a great shutdown pair. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Aug 31, 2021 9:48:48 GMT -6
WBBM news radio Chicago just reported Connor Murphy extended for four years,no specifics so far. Murphy signs four-year contract extension with Blackhawks Defenseman will get $4.4 million starting in 2022-23, scored 15 points last season Decent enough for what he brings defensively at 5.4% of the cap. |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 31, 2021 10:15:44 GMT -6
WBBM news radio Chicago just reported Connor Murphy extended for four years,no specifics so far. 4.4 per year. It's a good deal for what he brings on and off the ice. Plus he's been very serious with his health the past couple years and it shows. His good friend McCabe signed for 4yrs, seems fitting they signed Murphy for the same length but for slightly more. Those 2 could be a great shutdown pair. Who plays with Jones will be an interesting decision,do they saddle him with a different rookie every night like they did Keith? I always liked Murph more than most I guess,even after the "I'm too important to the team to fight" fiasco. At least he won't have to face Maroon seven times again next year. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Aug 31, 2021 10:53:50 GMT -6
Murphy signs four-year contract extension with Blackhawks Defenseman will get $4.4 million starting in 2022-23, scored 15 points last season Decent enough for what he brings defensively at 5.4% of the cap. Remember de Haan will be off the books next year. 4.5 saved there and a 600K increase to Murph. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Aug 31, 2021 11:28:40 GMT -6
WBBM news radio Chicago just reported Connor Murphy extended for four years,no specifics so far. 4.4 per year. It's a good deal for what he brings on and off the ice. Plus he's been very serious with his health the past couple years and it shows. His good friend McCabe signed for 4yrs, seems fitting they signed Murphy for the same length but for slightly more. Those 2 could be a great shutdown pair. Hey, you gotta pay him something, so 4.4 seems pretty reasonable for a decent dman, especially when Stan can't figure out if there are other options. I'll sure be very curious about what kind of team they will be this season. Can't be as bad as last year, so who knows? |
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Post by LordKOTL on Aug 31, 2021 12:25:24 GMT -6
Decent enough for what he brings defensively at 5.4% of the cap. Remember de Haan will be off the books next year. 4.5 saved there and a 600K increase to Murph. We hope DeHaan will be off the books!  Seriously though given the type of D-man he is, his CapHit% seems in-line with the type of D-man he is, which is a good thing. He's making less cap% with respect to Hjammer on his final deal with the 'hawks, which is about what Murph is--a poor man's Hjammer. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 31, 2021 12:34:09 GMT -6
4.4 per year. It's a good deal for what he brings on and off the ice. Plus he's been very serious with his health the past couple years and it shows. His good friend McCabe signed for 4yrs, seems fitting they signed Murphy for the same length but for slightly more. Those 2 could be a great shutdown pair. Who plays with Jones will be an interesting decision,do they saddle him with a different rookie every night like they did Keith? I always liked Murph more than most I guess,even after the "I'm too important to the team to fight" fiasco. At least he won't have to face Maroon seven times again next year. Well if they do, at least Jones is a big #1 dman in his prime, I felt bad for Keith still being slotted in the top2 in his late 30's and having to play with small rookies. I think Kalynuk might be paired with Seth, he's a great skater who seemed pretty composed in his first season, although he was 24, so not a young rookie. But Caleb could get that spot for the obvious reason of being Seths brother, but he's also a good skater who plays gritty, his consistency is his downfall, or maybe it was Edmonton and the trade and being on the same team as his bro changes that. If they want someone more experienced who plays a strong defensive game they can play Seth with Stillman or McCabe, then Jones can focus more on offense. Or maybe Beaudin progresses more and earns a spot, it's nice they have more options than the last few years and more grit. |
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Post by Tater on Aug 31, 2021 12:59:23 GMT -6
I like the Murph signing. Like Bob, I like him more than most.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 31, 2021 14:27:29 GMT -6
I like the Murph signing. Like Bob, I like him more than most. I think the reminder of losing Hjalmarsson for him is why most don't like him. That trade made sense to some of us because Hjalmarsson sacrificed his body so much in Chicago he didn't have much time left, Murphy was younger, bigger, and came from good bloodlines, plus he blocked a lot of shots and hit. Now Hjalmarsson is retired and Murphy is signed through the next 5yrs with hopefully lots of miles left. |
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Post by gigecj on Aug 31, 2021 15:40:22 GMT -6
Gotta give that trade of Hammer for Murphy to Stan for once.
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 31, 2021 18:22:50 GMT -6
I like the Murph signing. Like Bob, I like him more than most. That trade made sense to some of us because Hjalmarsson sacrificed his body so much in Chicago he didn't have much time left, Murphy was younger, bigger, and came from good bloodlines, plus he blocked a lot of shots and hit. Now Hjalmarsson is retired and Murphy is signed through the next 5yrs with hopefully lots of miles left. idk....i never got the impression that murph was not liked. perhaps a bit of resentment at the start like you said but i always thought he was a pretty popular guy. anyways, i like the signing. we've got a pretty nice mix of experience and youth happening now, which gives the youth better odds of success (i hope). |
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 31, 2021 18:37:30 GMT -6
Who plays with Jones will be an interesting decision,do they saddle him with a different rookie every night like they did Keith? I always liked Murph more than most I guess,even after the "I'm too important to the team to fight" fiasco. At least he won't have to face Maroon seven times again next year. But Caleb could get that spot for the obvious reason of being Seths brother, but he's also a good skater who plays gritty, his consistency is his downfall, or maybe it was Edmonton and the trade and being on the same team as his bro changes that. i wonder when the last time is when 2 brothers were defense partners on the same team in the nhl. all i can think of is the 3 plager brothers (barclay, bob, bill) that played in st. loo in the '70s, they were all defensemen who had to have created tandems together countless times. and the potvin brothers (jean, denis) for the isles in the '80s that partnered from time to time. there's gotta' be a few since then. i'm drawing a blank. |
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Post by number9 on Aug 31, 2021 20:00:11 GMT -6
But Caleb could get that spot for the obvious reason of being Seths brother, but he's also a good skater who plays gritty, his consistency is his downfall, or maybe it was Edmonton and the trade and being on the same team as his bro changes that. i wonder when the last time is when 2 brothers were defense partners on the same team in the nhl. all i can think of is the 3 plager brothers (barclay, bob, bill) that played in st. loo in the '70s, they were all defensemen who had to have created tandems together countless times. and the potvin brothers (jean, denis) for the isles in the '80s that partnered from time to time. there's gotta' be a few since then. i'm drawing a blank. I don't recall if they were ever on the same pairing, but the Hillman brothers were both on the Leafs at one time. And they might have played together on other teams as well because they used to get traded a lot. edit: just checked it out and Wayne Hillman never played for the Leafs. I could have sworn. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 31, 2021 20:14:46 GMT -6
i wonder when the last time is when 2 brothers were defense partners on the same team in the nhl. all i can think of is the 3 plager brothers (barclay, bob, bill) that played in st. loo in the '70s, they were all defensemen who had to have created tandems together countless times. and the potvin brothers (jean, denis) for the isles in the '80s that partnered from time to time. there's gotta' be a few since then. i'm drawing a blank. I don't recall if they were ever on the same pairing, but the Hillman brothers were both on the Leafs at one time. And they might have played together on other teams as well because they used to get traded a lot. i never realized there were 3 hillman brothers, all defensemen (larry, wayne, floyd). i only remember larry. of course i had to search for this...wayne hillman played 1 game for the hawks in the '61 playoffs so his name is on the cup. according to wiki larry played for 15 different pro teams in 22 seasons (864 total games) . |
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Post by number9 on Aug 31, 2021 20:38:31 GMT -6
I don't recall if they were ever on the same pairing, but the Hillman brothers were both on the Leafs at one time. And they might have played together on other teams as well because they used to get traded a lot. i never realized there were 3 hillman brothers, all defensemen (larry, wayne, floyd). i only remember larry. of course i had to search for this...wayne hillman played 1 game for the hawks in the '61 playoffs so his name is on the cup. according to wiki larry played for 15 different pro teams in 22 seasons (864 total games) . yeah, I just found out about Floyd myself (incidently they are the uncles of Brian Savage). But I remember Wayne and Larry. They apparently played together for the Minnesota North Stars and the Philadelphia Flyers. I also just learned that Moe Robinson played one game in the NHL, for the Habs with brother Larry. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 31, 2021 21:06:39 GMT -6
i never realized there were 3 hillman brothers, all defensemen (larry, wayne, floyd). i only remember larry. of course i had to search for this...wayne hillman played 1 game for the hawks in the '61 playoffs so his name is on the cup. according to wiki larry played for 15 different pro teams in 22 seasons (864 total games) . yeah, I just found out about Floyd myself (incidently they are the uncles of Brian Savage). But I remember Wayne and Larry. They apparently played together for the Minnesota North Stars and the Philadelphia Flyers. I also just learned that Moe Robinson played one game in the NHL, for the Habs with brother Larry.according to my second brain (wikipedia), larry was hurt the night moe played. they apparently played together in one exhibition game though. still....first i'd heard of the second robinson brother. weird, wild stuff. edit: there wasn't a 3rd brother named curley was there? |
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Post by hawks27 on Aug 31, 2021 21:11:13 GMT -6
I don't recall if they were ever on the same pairing, but the Hillman brothers were both on the Leafs at one time. And they might have played together on other teams as well because they used to get traded a lot. i never realized there were 3 hillman brothers, all defensemen (larry, wayne, floyd). i only remember larry. of course i had to search for this...wayne hillman played 1 game for the hawks in the '61 playoffs so his name is on the cup. according to wiki larry played for 15 different pro teams in 22 seasons (864 total games) . I thought Floyd was a barber. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 31, 2021 21:14:02 GMT -6
i never realized there were 3 hillman brothers, all defensemen (larry, wayne, floyd). i only remember larry. of course i had to search for this...wayne hillman played 1 game for the hawks in the '61 playoffs so his name is on the cup. according to wiki larry played for 15 different pro teams in 22 seasons (864 total games) . I thought Floyd was a barber. yeah....after. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 31, 2021 21:21:48 GMT -6
I think the reminder of losing Hjalmarsson for him is why most don't like him. That trade made sense to some of us because Hjalmarsson sacrificed his body so much in Chicago he didn't have much time left, Murphy was younger, bigger, and came from good bloodlines, plus he blocked a lot of shots and hit. Now Hjalmarsson is retired and Murphy is signed through the next 5yrs with hopefully lots of miles left. idk....i never got the impression that murph was not liked. perhaps a bit of resentment at the start like you said but i always thought he was a pretty popular guy. anyways, i like the signing. we've got a pretty nice mix of experience and youth happening now, which gives the youth better odds of success (i hope). I didn't get that impression as well but Bob and Tater said many don't. Either way, I like him and how he matured over the years. |
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Post by BigT on Aug 31, 2021 21:48:57 GMT -6
I’ve never said too much about Murphy. I didn’t like the trade. I will say that he doesn’t really bother anyone. He’s good at what he does. There’s a litany of dmen like him. They’re not hard to find. But if you need depth, he’s a solid guy to have.
My main worry is that we have too many of the same type dmen. Murphy, deHaan, McCabe aren’t overly physical. 2 of them are broken down golf carts, and none of them really do much scoring. There’s a fair chance that those 3 will be in the top 4. That doesn’t sit well. Maybe a young kid sneaks in?
Personally. I bought the best young dman by a country mile was Beaudin. He looked marvellous on the pp there for a while. I’d love to see him paired with Seth. I really feel Beaudin is gonna be a solid player. He just needs a chance.
Murphy however will be on the 2nd pairing as theres no other righty better than him!!!
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Post by LordKOTL on Aug 31, 2021 22:27:25 GMT -6
I’ve never said too much about Murphy. I didn’t like the trade. I will say that he doesn’t really bother anyone. He’s good at what he does. There’s a litany of dmen like him. They’re not hard to find. But if you need depth, he’s a solid guy to have. My main worry is that we have too many of the same type dmen. Murphy, deHaan, McCabe aren’t overly physical. 2 of them are broken down golf carts, and none of them really do much scoring. There’s a fair chance that those 3 will be in the top 4. That doesn’t sit well. Maybe a young kid sneaks in? Personally. I bought the best young dman by a country mile was Beaudin. He looked marvellous on the pp there for a while. I’d love to see him paired with Seth. I really feel Beaudin is gonna be a solid player. He just needs a chance. Murphy however will be on the 2nd pairing as theres no other righty better than him!!! Exactly. Trading a worn-down Hjammer for Murph was a decent trade but let's not kid ourselves; comparing them at the same age Hjammer > Murphy...and that's okay in the case of Murph. IMHO Hjammer in his prime could have been top pairing on almost any other squad that didn't have a top pair of Keith and Seabrook. But you're 100% correct on having too many of the same guy. I'm okay with Murph. I'm okay with Murph at 5.4% of the cap. I think Stan was just throwing middle pairing guys (on paper) at the wall and seeing what stuck. But with the way things look now? Beaudin might be the odd one out, and I think he's earned a slot on the big club. |
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Post by nighbor on Aug 31, 2021 23:47:18 GMT -6
Nothing. Not even his 3 in 6. Every year is different and every year he had the job of outcoaching other coaches and putting his players in position to win. He will get his extra credit when he enters the hall for his body of work. There are millions upon millions of everyday people get up, go to work and do their job to the best of their ability without the expectation of extra credits. Why should Q. Because Q is possibly the best ever at his job. If not best, 2nd best. If you’re the best janitor ever, no one unfortunately may ever hear about you. Why? Because although it’s a necessary job, it’s not entertainment. That’s all sports are is just entertainment. It goes off of supply and demand. Just like anything else. Q is in demand for his services, and he makes a massive amount for it. Ol Scambo’s services are not really in demand. They weren’t when he was hired. You’re taking the dangerous assumption that if Scambo wasn’t hired, there’d never have been any Cups at all. The first Cup in 2010, Stan did nothing but get a concussed Swedish dude that never played. And he also botched the draft that year. His moves cost the team dearly and they sucked for a couple years till Q finally got in his contract that he had final say over the roster. And that’s a fact. There are interviews with Q stating that he wanted final say and control of his own destiny. Scambo kept giving him worse and worse players, Q just never used them. Trading Danault was horrible at best. Q didn’t use either of the guys he got. That’s called mismanagement. Q was using Danault regularly and then he got traded for nothing. I don’t think you fully understand how a team runs? The importance of every person from the trainers to equipment guys all the way to the top. Scambo doesn’t understand sports. Listen to the guy talk. If you honestly think he talks intelligently about the sport he’s employed in, I have a glacier to sell you. Listen to other GMs talk. They sound totally different than him. Why? Because they played and understand the sport from the trainers all the way to the owner. Not one of them have Scambo’s degree on the wall. Why? Because it’s clearly not needed for this line of work. A GM needs to understand how the team works. The chemistry, of the whole team, not just the players. The trainers etc. The farm team has been a disaster ever since he took over. These are not assumptions. These are facts. Once again, history is there for all to see. If you don’t learn from it, you’ll repeat it!!! Are you suggesting that NHL players are nothing more than actors? Is the NHL real or fake like the WWE? Watching hockey may be entertaining but the games and the injuries are real. I cannot imagine a coach as much in demand as Q signing a contract with a newly minted GM and not have control of his own roster. We will have to wait until Stan is unemployed before we know if he is in demand or not. Chicago wanted him and he was hired before anyone could contact him. Since 2001, pre-core, Stan was part of management in a number of key hockey related positions. The truth is, and the facts are Stan was the GM in 2010, 2013 and 2015 cup years. I do not want to assume or put words into your mouth so what draft year were you referring to 2009 or 2010 and how did he botch that draft? You inferred that Stan in the cup years was nothing more than a puppet but because Q did not have complete control over his roster then Stan along with Q actually pulled the strings. Point of possible interest Phillip Danault signed with the LA Kings for $5.5M. Danault was not used regular witnessed by his lack of games played 32. The trade was Danault (1g-4a) plus a second to Montreal for Weise (14g-12a) and Fleischmann (10g-10a). IMHO that was a good realistic hockey trade. The point production of Weise and Fleischmann were good for third liners and we needed 3rd line production. The fact that Q refused to play them was not mismanagement but rather a coach thumbing his nose at the GM at the expense of the team. I would not consider two regulars as being nothing. Talking about not understanding how a team runs and the importance of every person from the trainers to equipment guys all the way to the top. Since 2001 Stan has been near the top yet you continue to disregard his contributions. It would be rather boring if everyone sounded the same. It doesn’t matter how he sounds as long as he gets the job done and it works for him. Maybe if they had Stan’s degree on the wall they would have more success. Stan has been around some of the best teams and players of all time so he knows about team chemistry and the importance of all the people in the organization. The farm team has been the casualty of the success of the big club. Years of picking near the end of the draft and necessary moves for the sake of winning cups has weakened the IceHogs. Our late lack of success has afforded us better draft positions therefore our pipe line is starting to replenish. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 1, 2021 0:49:53 GMT -6
^^^ Maybe you guys should start a new thread called Stan vs Q, or something like that. Seems like most threads get hijacked by this back and forth.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 1, 2021 7:54:17 GMT -6
Who plays with Jones will be an interesting decision,do they saddle him with a different rookie every night like they did Keith? I always liked Murph more than most I guess,even after the "I'm too important to the team to fight" fiasco. At least he won't have to face Maroon seven times again next year. Well if they do, at least Jones is a big #1 dman in his prime, I felt bad for Keith still being slotted in the top2 in his late 30's and having to play with small rookies. I think Kalynuk might be paired with Seth, he's a great skater who seemed pretty composed in his first season, although he was 24, so not a young rookie. But Caleb could get that spot for the obvious reason of being Seths brother, but he's also a good skater who plays gritty, his consistency is his downfall, or maybe it was Edmonton and the trade and being on the same team as his bro changes that. If they want someone more experienced who plays a strong defensive game they can play Seth with Stillman or McCabe, then Jones can focus more on offense. Or maybe Beaudin progresses more and earns a spot, it's nice they have more options than the last few years and more grit. Sounds like we should be petty good. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 1, 2021 11:43:58 GMT -6
Well if they do, at least Jones is a big #1 dman in his prime, I felt bad for Keith still being slotted in the top2 in his late 30's and having to play with small rookies. I think Kalynuk might be paired with Seth, he's a great skater who seemed pretty composed in his first season, although he was 24, so not a young rookie. But Caleb could get that spot for the obvious reason of being Seths brother, but he's also a good skater who plays gritty, his consistency is his downfall, or maybe it was Edmonton and the trade and being on the same team as his bro changes that. If they want someone more experienced who plays a strong defensive game they can play Seth with Stillman or McCabe, then Jones can focus more on offense. Or maybe Beaudin progresses more and earns a spot, it's nice they have more options than the last few years and more grit. Sounds like we should be petty good. On paper yes, but we have JC making the lines so who knows. There's depth at all 3 positions now, lets hope Colliton changes his system, especially defensively, and sticks with lines that work. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 2, 2021 7:31:44 GMT -6
^^^ Maybe you guys should start a new thread called Stan vs Q, or something like that. Seems like most threads get hijacked by this back and forth. As long as they don't mention fishing!LOL!!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 2, 2021 9:29:00 GMT -6
Sounds like we should be petty good. On paper yes, but we have JC making the lines so who knows. There's depth at all 3 positions now, lets hope Colliton changes his system, especially defensively, and sticks with lines that work. I'd personally love to see a Toews,Kane,D-Cat line this year but realistically,we have a better chance of seeing the three elite forwards on three different lines again like the last time JT was healthy and we were on a quest for balanced scoring. Shouldn't the new found depth allow that line? It'd be fun to watch and HARD to stop! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 2, 2021 9:49:00 GMT -6
On paper yes, but we have JC making the lines so who knows. There's depth at all 3 positions now, lets hope Colliton changes his system, especially defensively, and sticks with lines that work. I'd personally love to see a Toews,Kane,D-Cat line this year but realistically,we have a better chance of seeing the three elite forwards on three different lines again like the last time JT was healthy and we were on a quest for balanced scoring. Shouldn't the new found depth allow that line? It'd be fun to watch and HARD to stop! I think Kane and El Gato need to be together for sure. Our best set-up man with our best finisher. For the center position I think the 'hawks need some flexibility before they settle. Toews should have the inside track but I think Strome might see some time there because Stan, and I think we might want to see if Dach can work in that role to build him for the future. We might also check out Johnson there as well. Plus, one of them might show some chemistry with Koob, and that has to be considered as well. I don't think the 'hawks have the right kind of FWD depth to be effective spreading out the scoring. I could be wrong though. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 2, 2021 10:02:32 GMT -6
I'd personally love to see a Toews,Kane,D-Cat line this year but realistically,we have a better chance of seeing the three elite forwards on three different lines again like the last time JT was healthy and we were on a quest for balanced scoring. Shouldn't the new found depth allow that line? It'd be fun to watch and HARD to stop! I think Kane and El Gato need to be together for sure. Our best set-up man with our best finisher. For the center position I think the 'hawks need some flexibility before they settle. Toews should have the inside track but I think Strome might see some time there because Stan, and I think we might want to see if Dach can work in that role to build him for the future. We might also check out Johnson there as well. Plus, one of them might show some chemistry with Koob, and that has to be considered as well. I don't think the 'hawks have the right kind of FWD depth to be effective spreading out the scoring. I could be wrong though. JT and Kubalik had chemistry in spades and it sounds more n more like JT's ready. Do you really see JC ever giving Strome a look at 1LC or any LC for that matter? Maybe Strome is insurance in case JT ain't ready but JT wasn't ready last year and Strome never sniffed 1LC.....3rd line wing was more like it. With Dach having plenty of time to heal,veteran Johnson added,prospect Borgstrom added and Carpenter familiar with the system and reliable,where does Strome find a spot? If he doesn't find a regular spot,what's his trade value then? |
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