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Post by BigT on Jul 14, 2021 10:58:06 GMT -6
I still feel that not much will come of this. The plaintiffs will get paid off to go away. And the Hawks will continue the PR machine as nothing happened. Scam Bowman gets another 5 decades in his high chair!!!
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Post by gigecj on Jul 14, 2021 14:46:52 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jul 14, 2021 15:02:39 GMT -6
That’s him. That’s definitely the cranial capacity of one Scam Bowman!!! |
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Jul 15, 2021 19:16:40 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jul 15, 2021 19:37:42 GMT -6
There’s still a lot to come out. The Hawks would have to fire or trade anyone from that era. Which is probably a lot of people and not feasible. I still think they’ll pay off the John Does and everything will be status quo again. Scam Bowman will get another 5 decades in office!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 15, 2021 19:48:40 GMT -6
There’s still a lot to come out. The Hawks would have to fire or trade anyone from that era. Which is probably a lot of people and not feasible. I still think they’ll pay off the John Does and everything will be status quo again. Scam Bowman will get another 5 decades in office!!! if/when they have to pay out a bunch of money for this, I would bet Bowman is let go as soon as they can say it is due to team failure and not fallout from this. I can't imagine the boss is gonna be too happy shelling out millions for this... |
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Post by BigT on Jul 15, 2021 21:03:16 GMT -6
There’s still a lot to come out. The Hawks would have to fire or trade anyone from that era. Which is probably a lot of people and not feasible. I still think they’ll pay off the John Does and everything will be status quo again. Scam Bowman will get another 5 decades in office!!! if/when they have to pay out a bunch of money for this, I would bet Bowman is let go as soon as they can say it is due to team failure and not fallout from this. I can't imagine the boss is gonna be too happy shelling out millions for this... There’s just something about the Bowman’s that has Rockwell’s attention. I think Scam may even work for nothing for a few years to repay that debt. I think they’re just gonna blame McCub. And say it was all his idea and things like that are why he’s not here anymore. I already see the shitty future. Pretty sad state of affairs!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 16, 2021 6:58:31 GMT -6
if/when they have to pay out a bunch of money for this, I would bet Bowman is let go as soon as they can say it is due to team failure and not fallout from this. I can't imagine the boss is gonna be too happy shelling out millions for this... There’s just something about the Bowman’s that has Rockwell’s attention. I think Scam may even work for nothing for a few years to repay that debt. I think they’re just gonna blame McCub. And say it was all his idea and things like that are why he’s not here anymore. I already see the shitty future. Pretty sad state of affairs!!! I believe Scotty's had Rocky's ear since day one,what other special assistant could scream at and berate his GM with impunity? |
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Post by BigT on Jul 16, 2021 14:34:52 GMT -6
There’s just something about the Bowman’s that has Rockwell’s attention. I think Scam may even work for nothing for a few years to repay that debt. I think they’re just gonna blame McCub. And say it was all his idea and things like that are why he’s not here anymore. I already see the shitty future. Pretty sad state of affairs!!! I believe Scotty's had Rocky's ear since day one,what other special assistant could scream at and berate his GM with impunity? Scam’s dad set a terrible example for his incompetent son. When Scam yells at someone, he’s probably gonna wake up in an ambulance!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 22, 2021 22:47:23 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 23, 2021 0:01:18 GMT -6
Edit: im totally useless on a phone. I meant to quote vadar here.
edit: after reading more about the sexual assault allegations, I'd say the Blackhawks would be REALLY dumb to trade their pick tomorrow. I won't be surprised if the league makes them forfeit a pick next year because of this. yet another reason not to trade a first round pick for Jones...[/quote]
Not saying the organization doesn't deserve it but could the league make them forfeit a pick?
I know they did with arizona but quite a bit different circumstances. What i mean to say is arizona broke an existing rule.
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Post by vadarx on Jul 23, 2021 2:44:11 GMT -6
yes, the league could absolutely sanction the team. should the independent investigation show no wrong doing by the 'hawks, but one or both of the lawsuits go to trial, I expect that the league would punish the team if one or both found the team guilty.
thus why it probably never goes to trial. if they cannot get them thrown out, the organization will almost surely attempt to settle both. if that happens, then the league could also punish them in an effort to look like they care and are doing something about it.
edit: had to remove your quote cuz you fucked your original post up so badly that it kept fucking mine up...😛
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 23, 2021 3:05:36 GMT -6
yes, the league could absolutely sanction the team. should the independent investigation show no wrong doing by the 'hawks, but one or both of the lawsuits go to trial, I expect that the league would punish the team if one or both found the team guilty. thus why it probably never goes to trial. if they cannot get them thrown out, the organization will almost surely attempt to settle both. if that happens, then the league could also punish them in an effort to look like they care and are doing something about it. edit: had to remove your quote cuz you fucked your original post up so badly that it kept fucking mine up...😛 : D Not doubting you for a minute. I'm only asking you because it isn't an easy google search..and your memory is pretty sharp. Is there precedent where the league has punished a team like that? |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 23, 2021 4:23:28 GMT -6
yes, the league could absolutely sanction the team. should the independent investigation show no wrong doing by the 'hawks, but one or both of the lawsuits go to trial, I expect that the league would punish the team if one or both found the team guilty. thus why it probably never goes to trial. if they cannot get them thrown out, the organization will almost surely attempt to settle both. if that happens, then the league could also punish them in an effort to look like they care and are doing something about it. edit: had to remove your quote cuz you fucked your original post up so badly that it kept fucking mine up...😛 : D Not doubting you for a minute. I'm only asking you because it isn't an easy google search..and your memory is pretty sharp. Is there precedent where the league has punished a team like that? not that I can think of, but this is one of their big draws making headlines. I believe the Pens are also still working through a lawsuit for something similar (coach sexually assaulted someone and the team kept it quiet) but i don't think the case has been settled or gone to court yet. the league has already said they will wait to see what the outcome is and I believe Daly already said that the league could punish the team if they deem it necessary. more than likely they'll do nothing, especially if the cases are settled, but it could still happen. edit: also, maybe move these to the other thread, I probably should've posted this there to begin with... |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 23, 2021 7:43:50 GMT -6
Assuming this is true, James Gray deserves to be on a register. So does Aldrich, but he might be already. I know there's no legal reason for him to be, but what he did is fucking disgusting. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 23, 2021 7:55:46 GMT -6
Assuming this is true, James Gray deserves to be on a register. So does Aldrich, but he might be already. I know there's no legal reason for him to be, but what he did is fucking disgusting. agreed. I think the thing that I noticed the most was the players ragging on John Doe 1 for seasons after the incident happened. kinda seems to me like if that were the case, the player must've played it off like it was gross and no big deal. I doubt his teammates give him shit like that if they thought he was actually traumatized... |
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Post by BigT on Jul 23, 2021 8:13:07 GMT -6
Assuming this is true, James Gray deserves to be on a register. So does Aldrich, but he might be already. I know there's no legal reason for him to be, but what he did is fucking disgusting. agreed. I think the thing that I noticed the most was the players ragging on John Doe 1 for seasons after the incident happened. kinda seems to me like if that were the case, the player must've played it off like it was gross and no big deal. I doubt his teammates give him shit like that if they thought he was actually traumatized... If the management wasn’t young and inexperienced. They would a easily tackled this issue right at the time. Players make jokes and are just that, young and inexperienced. It’s managements job to get things under control or don’t let them get out of control. This was clearly brought to the attention of management and nothing was done. Management should have but the individual that was accused on “administrative leave”. They could’ve had meetings with the whole team on this, kept it quiet till the season was over. Then hold the bastard accountable and get the cops involved. I’m shocked that an NHL franchise would do this in this day and age. Now a total shitstorm is a brewing. They’ve got no one to blame but themselves!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 23, 2021 8:51:25 GMT -6
Assuming this is true, James Gray deserves to be on a register. So does Aldrich, but he might be already. I know there's no legal reason for him to be, but what he did is fucking disgusting. agreed. I think the thing that I noticed the most was the players ragging on John Doe 1 for seasons after the incident happened. kinda seems to me like if that were the case, the player must've played it off like it was gross and no big deal. I doubt his teammates give him shit like that if they thought he was actually traumatized... From what little I know about this (and that was absorbed via osmosis), there are 2 things on this: John Doe playing it off like it's 'no big deal' is a typical coping mechanism--especially in situations where the victim is supposed to be "tough"--especially if the teammates were ragging on him. That actually might have led to the victim's claims that (and I'm paraphrasing), "he didn't report it because he didn't feel he would be taken seriously). As for the teammates? I really don't know. Unfortunately how people react to men being sexually abused and assaulted is WAYYY behind the times. This case is evidence in point: you've had to have seen some chatter on the interwebs where people question why didn't the victim beat the shit out of Aldrich (this was before we knew about the baseball bat) and claiming that "If I was in his shoes I would have killed him". It really shows how ignorant the public at large is. Going back to 2010 I really wonder exactly how the players reacted, and maybe now that there is a little more knowledge in the intervening years, maybe some (and I'm speculating here), probably did react in a way they regret knowing what went down. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 23, 2021 8:54:40 GMT -6
agreed. I think the thing that I noticed the most was the players ragging on John Doe 1 for seasons after the incident happened. kinda seems to me like if that were the case, the player must've played it off like it was gross and no big deal. I doubt his teammates give him shit like that if they thought he was actually traumatized... If the management wasn’t young and inexperienced. They would a easily tackled this issue right at the time. Players make jokes and are just that, young and inexperienced. It’s managements job to get things under control or don’t let them get out of control. This was clearly brought to the attention of management and nothing was done. Management should have but the individual that was accused on “administrative leave”. They could’ve had meetings with the whole team on this, kept it quiet till the season was over. Then hold the bastard accountable and get the cops involved. I’m shocked that an NHL franchise would do this in this day and age. Now a total shitstorm is a brewing. They’ve got no one to blame but themselves!!! Agreed, except I am not shocked that an NHL franchise did this today or 10 years ago. Doesn't change the fact that heads should roll, but it really doesn't surprise me how they acted. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 23, 2021 22:57:42 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jul 23, 2021 22:59:06 GMT -6
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Post by number9 on Jul 28, 2021 13:18:35 GMT -6
Any news on this front? Are we stuck with Mr. Bean forever?
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Post by BigT on Jul 29, 2021 9:50:47 GMT -6
Any news on this front? Are we stuck with Mr. Bean forever? I’m not sure about forever, as he’s a mortal. But this case will gain steam again, Scambo is safe for now. When this season starts to go south, this will rise again. It always happens that way. I think Scambo will step down before he gets shitcanned!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 29, 2021 9:55:51 GMT -6
Step down, or get percussively sublimated at the very least.
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Post by BigT on Jul 29, 2021 14:48:23 GMT -6
Step down, or get percussively sublimated at the very least. Or just get destroyed!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 29, 2021 17:31:39 GMT -6
Nick Boynton was one of the players that came forward and now he's throwing Kane, Sharp, and Campbell under the bus saying they knew.
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Jul 29, 2021 17:34:34 GMT -6
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Post by Tater on Jul 29, 2021 23:22:56 GMT -6
Yep, it's only a matter of time. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 29, 2021 23:59:08 GMT -6
No offense to Boynton. But he knew too. He never said shit about anything either. Now he wants to play the F****** hero? That’s low, that’s really low. And if management would’ve done something, the onus would not be on the gawd damn players. That’s what sickens me even more about Boyntons comments. He’s ok throwing all the players under the bus and dragging them for miles, but the management put all of them in that position by not dealing with it. Boynton is an absolute bitch and I hope he sits terribly wrong on his Hawks Stanley Cup ring which requires emergency removal of it. That’s awful to do that. Especially when he was a vet on the team and brought in for those exact reasons. Now he’s throwing the guys that were kids under the bus. What has this world become? Seriously?
I’m all for Boynton saying it was wrong and something should’ve been done. But to basically point blame at kids and saying they should’ve done something is stupid at best. I hope Scambo does the right thing as a man in his late 40s and protects the legacy of these players. This is getting shittier by the second!!!
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Post by Tater on Jul 30, 2021 0:14:44 GMT -6
No offense to Boynton. But he knew too. He never said shit about anything either. Now he wants to play the F****** hero? That’s low, that’s really low. And if management would’ve done something, the onus would not be on the gawd damn players. That’s what sickens me even more about Boyntons comments. He’s ok throwing all the players under the bus and dragging them for miles, but the management put all of them in that position by not dealing with it. Boynton is an absolute bitch and I hope he sits terribly wrong on his Hawks Stanley Cup ring which requires emergency removal of it. That’s awful to do that. Especially when he was a vet on the team and brought in for those exact reasons. Now he’s throwing the guys that were kids under the bus. What has this world become? Seriously? I’m all for Boynton saying it was wrong and something should’ve been done. But to basically point blame at kids and saying they should’ve done something is stupid at best. I hope Scambo does the right thing as a man in his late 40s and protects the legacy of these players. This is getting shittier by the second!!!
I totally agree about him throwing particular players under the bus. What could a 22 year old Kane have done about it? It's on management, they covered it up.
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