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Post by LordKOTL on May 13, 2021 16:11:26 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on May 13, 2021 21:19:50 GMT -6
first I've heard of it.
I really hope we don't end up hearing this happened to other players...
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on May 13, 2021 23:20:24 GMT -6
Hmm...it does appear that Aldrich is a sexual predator.
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Post by Tater on May 13, 2021 23:51:02 GMT -6
Hmm...it does appear that Aldrich is a sexual predator. It's too early to tell, wait for the investigation. |
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Post by LordKOTL on May 14, 2021 7:59:00 GMT -6
Hmm...it does appear that Aldrich is a sexual predator. It's too early to tell, wait for the investigation. For this incident, yes, but the article states he was convicted of an unrelated sex crime...with a minor. I do want to wait for the facts (emphasis there) to come out, but I will say this--if true I hope the guy gets nailed to the wall...and if what James Gary did is proven true, he needs to get nailed to the wall as well. Being the victim of a sex crime is never the victim's fault. |
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Post by Tater on May 14, 2021 10:07:34 GMT -6
For this incident, yes, but the article states he was convicted of an unrelated sex crime...with a minor. I do want to wait for the facts (emphasis there) to come out, but I will say this--if true I hope the guy gets nailed to the wall...and if what James Gary did is proven true, he needs to get nailed to the wall as well. Being the victim of a sex crime is never the victim's fault. Thanks. I missed that he was previously convicted. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 20, 2021 5:29:10 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Jun 20, 2021 8:25:47 GMT -6
Sounds like the statute of limitations is their only defense.....YIKES! Giving this predator a good reference to work with high school kids after knowing the seriousness of the prior allegations is unthinkable! |
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Post by BigT on Jun 20, 2021 11:15:25 GMT -6
Great article. I rarely chime in on these things and I won’t put any thing towards the issue and the victims. But you are correct. And I’m not saying this to rid ourselves of Stan Bowman. Now, I admit I’ve been the most critical of Stan Bowman’s work as a GM. However, if and I mean if he’s guilty of this type of thing. He and the others have to be held accountable, and shitcanned to never return. Yes it fits my narrative of ridding ourselves of Stan Bowman’s work as GM. But that’s not the issue. The issue is a young kid had their life fucked up and nothing was done. As a parent, I would go to jail and clean them up myself if needed to be. That’s just disgusting and I hope if the allegations are true. The Hawks clean house. I may not be able to support that lunacy as a fan and a human. I hope the right things are done here soon!!! |
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Post by hawks27 on Jun 20, 2021 13:56:36 GMT -6
Great article. I rarely chime in on these things and I won’t put any thing towards the issue and the victims. But you are correct. And I’m not saying this to rid ourselves of Stan Bowman. Now, I admit I’ve been the most critical of Stan Bowman’s work as a GM. However, if and I mean if he’s guilty of this type of thing. He and the others have to be held accountable, and shitcanned to never return. Yes it fits my narrative of ridding ourselves of Stan Bowman’s work as GM. But that’s not the issue. The issue is a young kid had their life fucked up and nothing was done. As a parent, I would go to jail and clean them up myself if needed to be. That’s just disgusting and I hope if the allegations are true. The Hawks clean house. I may not be able to support that lunacy as a fan and a human. I hope the right things are done here soon!!! If it could happen to Joe Paterno, it sure could happen to anyone that's guilty.....statutes of limitations or not. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 20, 2021 14:28:30 GMT -6
Great article. I rarely chime in on these things and I won’t put any thing towards the issue and the victims. But you are correct. And I’m not saying this to rid ourselves of Stan Bowman. Now, I admit I’ve been the most critical of Stan Bowman’s work as a GM. However, if and I mean if he’s guilty of this type of thing. He and the others have to be held accountable, and shitcanned to never return. Yes it fits my narrative of ridding ourselves of Stan Bowman’s work as GM. But that’s not the issue. The issue is a young kid had their life fucked up and nothing was done. As a parent, I would go to jail and clean them up myself if needed to be. That’s just disgusting and I hope if the allegations are true. The Hawks clean house. I may not be able to support that lunacy as a fan and a human. I hope the right things are done here soon!!! If it could happen to Joe Paterno, it sure could happen to anyone that's guilty.....statutes of limitations or not. I agree. As parents we send our kids to these things with the trust that our kids will be safe. If, and I say that respectfully. If there’s blood on anyone’s hands within the org, they need to go. I have a hard time supporting inept people at their jobs. And I could not support this at all. Preying on children or very young adults cannot be tolerated!!! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 23, 2021 10:44:47 GMT -6
This has been in the press a little the last month but gaining steam. 2 kids, Stan on up were informed. So the question needs to be asked to Stan. MY understanding was this was all forgotten by all parties then one of the players found out about the kid at the high school and just felt awful. Just awful.
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Post by BigT on Jun 23, 2021 13:18:37 GMT -6
This has been in the press a little the last month but gaining steam. 2 kids, Stan on up were informed. So the question needs to be asked to Stan. MY understanding was this was all forgotten by all parties then one of the players found out about the kid at the high school and just felt awful. Just awful. We hope it’s just not true. But the guy was already known for the high school incident. Then this other stuff comes out. I hope like hell it isn’t true. Cuz the org has no choice but to shitcan all involved at that time if they knew. Makes me worried another Graham James situation is on our hands and that prick should a been killed!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 24, 2021 11:42:43 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jun 24, 2021 13:15:32 GMT -6
Thanks for posting. It’s not looking good for the whole Hawks front office. That Marie Sutera sounds like a pedophile protector too. She told the police that were investigating Aldrich to get a warrant or subpoena for more info. Why in the hell would anyone not want to supply the police with info on a loser pedophile? My guess is this. Stan is one of the remaining members still there. He’s gonna say McCub directed him to not do anything. Maybe so. But you cannot allow that to happen as the GM. He’s in charge of that team, and has a duty to protect its employees. I think it falls on Stan and McCub. And I’m sure a few others in the org have blood on their hands. I’m appalled at this cover up. Just shocked. I never thought someone like McCub or even Stan would be those types of people. Leave their jobs out of it, we’re talking some of the scum of the earth here. I know they’re innocent until proven guilty. And I respect that. But gotta think when that Vincent fella has spoken out and was part of it, it’s not looking good for the upper management of the Hawks. Stan got rid of anyone of quality that worked alongside him, so the org will be in a bit of trouble in that regards. But I don’t see how anyone from management or the office survives this. Just disappointed on so many levels here!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 24, 2021 14:51:53 GMT -6
Great article. I rarely chime in on these things and I won’t put any thing towards the issue and the victims. But you are correct. And I’m not saying this to rid ourselves of Stan Bowman. Now, I admit I’ve been the most critical of Stan Bowman’s work as a GM. However, if and I mean if he’s guilty of this type of thing. He and the others have to be held accountable, and shitcanned to never return. Yes it fits my narrative of ridding ourselves of Stan Bowman’s work as GM. But that’s not the issue. The issue is a young kid had their life fucked up and nothing was done. As a parent, I would go to jail and clean them up myself if needed to be. That’s just disgusting and I hope if the allegations are true. The Hawks clean house. I may not be able to support that lunacy as a fan and a human. I hope the right things are done here soon!!! Not quite. If, and I mean if they are found guilty of this, they need to get their asses sent to prison. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 24, 2021 15:36:13 GMT -6
Great article. I rarely chime in on these things and I won’t put any thing towards the issue and the victims. But you are correct. And I’m not saying this to rid ourselves of Stan Bowman. Now, I admit I’ve been the most critical of Stan Bowman’s work as a GM. However, if and I mean if he’s guilty of this type of thing. He and the others have to be held accountable, and shitcanned to never return. Yes it fits my narrative of ridding ourselves of Stan Bowman’s work as GM. But that’s not the issue. The issue is a young kid had their life fucked up and nothing was done. As a parent, I would go to jail and clean them up myself if needed to be. That’s just disgusting and I hope if the allegations are true. The Hawks clean house. I may not be able to support that lunacy as a fan and a human. I hope the right things are done here soon!!! Not quite. If, and I mean if they are found guilty of this, they need to get their asses sent to prison. I think they should shitcan them first then let their shitholes get plowed in prison. I’m embarrassed to be a Hawks fan if this is true. And there’s more and more stories to come out. Where there’s smoke and fire, there’s usually a problem. And I think the Hawks org has a massive problem on their hands. Let’s see how captain Danny Wirtz handles this one!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 24, 2021 16:08:30 GMT -6
Not quite. If, and I mean if they are found guilty of this, they need to get their asses sent to prison. I think they should shitcan them first then let their shitholes get plowed in prison. I’m embarrassed to be a Hawks fan if this is true. And there’s more and more stories to come out. Where there’s smoke and fire, there’s usually a problem. And I think the Hawks org has a massive problem on their hands. Let’s see how captain Danny Wirtz handles this one!!! I intended shitcanning by proxy.  This is indeed an embarrassment--especially since the 'hawks appear to have handled it like the Catholic Church by just trying to sweep it under the rug. I really hope that anyone/everyone who is proved guilty of being involved in this has their heads roll. There is zero excuse for this. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 24, 2021 19:06:55 GMT -6
I think they should shitcan them first then let their shitholes get plowed in prison. I’m embarrassed to be a Hawks fan if this is true. And there’s more and more stories to come out. Where there’s smoke and fire, there’s usually a problem. And I think the Hawks org has a massive problem on their hands. Let’s see how captain Danny Wirtz handles this one!!! I intended shitcanning by proxy. This is indeed an embarrassment--especially since the 'hawks appear to have handled it like the Catholic Church by just trying to sweep it under the rug. I really hope that anyone/everyone who is proved guilty of being involved in this has their heads roll. There is zero excuse for this. I fully agree. I can’t wrap my head around this. I just never thought I’d see a day when something like this would come up in pro sports, let alone the Hawks. The Graham James story was bad enough. I thought we wouldn’t see that shit anymore. Imagine sending your kid off to a team and this happens? I’d kill!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 25, 2021 7:13:37 GMT -6
I'm all for letting this play out but how does it play out? Does the league get involved with their own investigation or do we just get the two law suites?
Paul Vincent's recollections are far more than innuendo because he claims he went to the player's phycologist,Torcheti and Havaland on top of the meeting with the FO with requests for police involvement......that's a LOT of people involved AND he's willing to testify for the defendants for God's sake.
Compound this with the fact that Aldrich was convicted and jailed just two years later for the same exact thing he's being being accused of by two ex Hawk players and then compound it further with the high school aged victim and the organization's referral letter after knowing of prior allegations.
National media isn't paying attention because they don't gave a hoot about hockey and there are some other big stories to cover and local media is just running with the very conveniently timed Foley retirement story but that will undoubtedly change at some point.
IMO,an assistant coach at the time saying it was an "open secret" is incredibly damaging unless he's just out to damage the Organization but he's mentioned two other assistant coaches and the team's sports phycologist as three fellow org members who can collaborate his story.
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 25, 2021 7:50:25 GMT -6
I intended shitcanning by proxy. This is indeed an embarrassment--especially since the 'hawks appear to have handled it like the Catholic Church by just trying to sweep it under the rug. I really hope that anyone/everyone who is proved guilty of being involved in this has their heads roll. There is zero excuse for this. I fully agree. I can’t wrap my head around this. I just never thought I’d see a day when something like this would come up in pro sports, let alone the Hawks. The Graham James story was bad enough. I thought we wouldn’t see that shit anymore. Imagine sending your kid off to a team and this happens? I’d kill!!! ...or the Theo Fleury story. (continued below...) |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 25, 2021 8:03:33 GMT -6
I'm all for letting this play out but how does it play out? Does the league get involved with their own investigation or do we just get the two law suites? Paul Vincent's recollections are far more than innuendo because he claims he went to the player's phycologist,Torcheti and Havaland on top of the meeting with the FO with requests for police involvement......that's a LOT of people involved AND he's willing to testify for the defendants for God's sake. Compound this with the fact that Aldrich was convicted and jailed just two years later for the same exact thing he's being being accused of by two ex Hawk players and then compound it further with the high school aged victim and the organization's referral letter after knowing of prior allegations. National media isn't paying attention because they don't gave a hoot about hockey and there are some other big stories to cover and local media is just running with the very conveniently timed Foley retirement story but that will undoubtedly change at some point. IMO,an assistant coach at the time saying it was an "open secret" is incredibly damaging unless he's just out to damage the Organization but he's mentioned two other assistant coaches and the team's sports phycologist as three fellow org members who can collaborate his story. I'd like it to play out where Aldrich is locked up in pound-me-in-the-ass prison for the rest of his life and anyone who passed the buck on Aldrich instead of going to the authorities to start an investigation also sees a prison term. Further, anyone who told the victim (or victims) to keep quiet is permanently blackballed from hockey. Again, this is if all of those are indeed found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. Not to mention that maybe just maybe the psychology of the the "person in power" dynamic will start to enter the public consciousness with respect to sexual abuse and assault. Realistically though, the NHL and their teams are an old-boys club and will likely circle the wagons, and a ton of fans won't care. There are still plenty of fans who worship the ground Bobby Hull walks on in spite of his checkered past. There are other fans who are/were firmly behind letting Voynov back into the US to play hockey. Something tells me that a few heads might roll, but nothing but token gestures are done simply because there is no real punishment that is going to happen to those who could actually keep this shit from happening--like fining Ovechkin $5000. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 25, 2021 8:20:04 GMT -6
I'm all for letting this play out but how does it play out? Does the league get involved with their own investigation or do we just get the two law suites? Paul Vincent's recollections are far more than innuendo because he claims he went to the player's phycologist,Torcheti and Havaland on top of the meeting with the FO with requests for police involvement......that's a LOT of people involved AND he's willing to testify for the defendants for God's sake. Compound this with the fact that Aldrich was convicted and jailed just two years later for the same exact thing he's being being accused of by two ex Hawk players and then compound it further with the high school aged victim and the organization's referral letter after knowing of prior allegations. National media isn't paying attention because they don't gave a hoot about hockey and there are some other big stories to cover and local media is just running with the very conveniently timed Foley retirement story but that will undoubtedly change at some point. IMO,an assistant coach at the time saying it was an "open secret" is incredibly damaging unless he's just out to damage the Organization but he's mentioned two other assistant coaches and the team's sports phycologist as three fellow org members who can collaborate his story. I'd like it to play out where Aldrich is locked up in pound-me-in-the-ass prison for the rest of his life and anyone who passed the buck on Aldrich instead of going to the authorities to start an investigation also sees a prison term. Further, anyone who told the victim (or victims) to keep quiet is permanently blackballed from hockey. Again, this is if all of those are indeed found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. Not to mention that maybe just maybe the psychology of the the "person in power" dynamic will start to enter the public consciousness with respect to sexual abuse and assault. Realistically though, the NHL and their teams are an old-boys club and will likely circle the wagons, and a ton of fans won't care. There are still plenty of fans who worship the ground Bobby Hull walks on in spite of his checkered past. There are other fans who are/were firmly behind letting Voynov back into the US to play hockey. Something tells me that a few heads might roll, but nothing but token gestures are done simply because there is no real punishment that is going to happen to those who could actually keep this shit from happening--like fining Ovechkin $5000. I can see 11yro allegations from players who were adults at the time being somehow swept under the rug,as awful as that is BUT writing a referral letter for an individual with serious past allegations that the FO was AWARE of so he could go work with high school kids with catastrophic results won't and shouldn't go away. Paul Vincent seems willing and able to collaborate the two young,Hawk players stories and testify on their behalf and the legal system already collaborated the high school victim's story with a conviction and jail time for God's sake. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 25, 2021 9:15:31 GMT -6
I'd like it to play out where Aldrich is locked up in pound-me-in-the-ass prison for the rest of his life and anyone who passed the buck on Aldrich instead of going to the authorities to start an investigation also sees a prison term. Further, anyone who told the victim (or victims) to keep quiet is permanently blackballed from hockey. Again, this is if all of those are indeed found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. Not to mention that maybe just maybe the psychology of the the "person in power" dynamic will start to enter the public consciousness with respect to sexual abuse and assault. Realistically though, the NHL and their teams are an old-boys club and will likely circle the wagons, and a ton of fans won't care. There are still plenty of fans who worship the ground Bobby Hull walks on in spite of his checkered past. There are other fans who are/were firmly behind letting Voynov back into the US to play hockey. Something tells me that a few heads might roll, but nothing but token gestures are done simply because there is no real punishment that is going to happen to those who could actually keep this shit from happening--like fining Ovechkin $5000. I can see 11yro allegations from players who were adults at the time being somehow swept under the rug,as awful as that is BUT writing a referral letter for an individual with serious past allegations that the FO was AWARE of so he could go work with high school kids with catastrophic results won't and shouldn't go away. Paul Vincent seems willing and able to collaborate the two young,Hawk players stories and testify on their behalf and the legal system already collaborated the high school victim's story with a conviction and jail time for God's sake. Maybe I wasn't that clear. Realistically Aldrich will be nailed, probably not as bad as he deserves, but will be nailed. I can see those that wrote the referral letter and told the young 'hawk players not to go to the police, etc. being given just a slap on the wrist. They shouldn't...but I can see it happening because society is just that fucked up. Especially since the concept of "position of power" hasn't really made it to the male side of the equation yet and it still meets resistance from the female side of the equation. |
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Post by vonbeck on Jun 25, 2021 10:59:21 GMT -6
Great article. I rarely chime in on these things and I won’t put any thing towards the issue and the victims. But you are correct. And I’m not saying this to rid ourselves of Stan Bowman. Now, I admit I’ve been the most critical of Stan Bowman’s work as a GM. However, if and I mean if he’s guilty of this type of thing. He and the others have to be held accountable, and shitcanned to never return. Yes it fits my narrative of ridding ourselves of Stan Bowman’s work as GM. But that’s not the issue. The issue is a young kid had their life fucked up and nothing was done. As a parent, I would go to jail and clean them up myself if needed to be. That’s just disgusting and I hope if the allegations are true. The Hawks clean house. I may not be able to support that lunacy as a fan and a human. I hope the right things are done here soon!!! Well said T.. IF this is true Bowman and perhaps others need to go. McDonough is already out but he too needs to be held accountable if Paul Vincent did indeed tell him and Stan about the incident. But if this gains traction I can see that tool Bowman blaming somebody else like he always does.. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 25, 2021 16:05:28 GMT -6
I can see 11yro allegations from players who were adults at the time being somehow swept under the rug,as awful as that is BUT writing a referral letter for an individual with serious past allegations that the FO was AWARE of so he could go work with high school kids with catastrophic results won't and shouldn't go away. Paul Vincent seems willing and able to collaborate the two young,Hawk players stories and testify on their behalf and the legal system already collaborated the high school victim's story with a conviction and jail time for God's sake. Maybe I wasn't that clear. Realistically Aldrich will be nailed, probably not as bad as he deserves, but will be nailed. I can see those that wrote the referral letter and told the young 'hawk players not to go to the police, etc. being given just a slap on the wrist. They shouldn't...but I can see it happening because society is just that fucked up. Especially since the concept of "position of power" hasn't really made it to the male side of the equation yet and it still meets resistance from the female side of the equation. I got your point. Aldrich has already done time and now registers as a sex offender,I believe statute of limitations are in effect as far as the 11 year old Hawk player allegations. The league is mum on it's own investigation so I don't know who's held accountable here but the possible punitive nature of a settlement on the part of the high school aged victim will get the team's attention. It sounds like the Hawks Org facilitated the sexual assault of a minor by knowingly referring a former employee who had serious prior allegations and I can see a civil settlement in the stratosphere and rightly so. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 25, 2021 16:42:48 GMT -6
Great article. I rarely chime in on these things and I won’t put any thing towards the issue and the victims. But you are correct. And I’m not saying this to rid ourselves of Stan Bowman. Now, I admit I’ve been the most critical of Stan Bowman’s work as a GM. However, if and I mean if he’s guilty of this type of thing. He and the others have to be held accountable, and shitcanned to never return. Yes it fits my narrative of ridding ourselves of Stan Bowman’s work as GM. But that’s not the issue. The issue is a young kid had their life fucked up and nothing was done. As a parent, I would go to jail and clean them up myself if needed to be. That’s just disgusting and I hope if the allegations are true. The Hawks clean house. I may not be able to support that lunacy as a fan and a human. I hope the right things are done here soon!!! Well said T.. IF this is true Bowman and perhaps others need to go. McDonough is already out but he too needs to be held accountable if Paul Vincent did indeed tell him and Stan about the incident. But if this gains traction I can see that tool Bowman blaming somebody else like he always does.. Everyday more and more info is coming out. More out today saying that “every player on the roster knew about the sexual assault”. If this is the case, was there another meeting to tell everyone to shut up? Or individual meetings to tell each guy to say nothing? Cuz I find it rough to believe that not one guy said anything!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 25, 2021 18:36:12 GMT -6
Well said T.. IF this is true Bowman and perhaps others need to go. McDonough is already out but he too needs to be held accountable if Paul Vincent did indeed tell him and Stan about the incident. But if this gains traction I can see that tool Bowman blaming somebody else like he always does.. Everyday more and more info is coming out. More out today saying that “every player on the roster knew about the sexual assault”. If this is the case, was there another meeting to tell everyone to shut up? Or individual meetings to tell each guy to say nothing? Cuz I find it rough to believe that not one guy said anything!!! if I had to guess, and that is exactly what I am doing, I would guess that everyone knew but the player(s)/victim(s) didn't want it out there and they didn't want to interrupt the run the team was on. once the coach was jettisoned, I ASSume the brass told the players it wasn't a big deal and that he was gone, so no worries... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 25, 2021 21:03:44 GMT -6
Great article. I rarely chime in on these things and I won’t put any thing towards the issue and the victims. But you are correct. And I’m not saying this to rid ourselves of Stan Bowman. Now, I admit I’ve been the most critical of Stan Bowman’s work as a GM. However, if and I mean if he’s guilty of this type of thing. He and the others have to be held accountable, and shitcanned to never return. Yes it fits my narrative of ridding ourselves of Stan Bowman’s work as GM. But that’s not the issue. The issue is a young kid had their life fucked up and nothing was done. As a parent, I would go to jail and clean them up myself if needed to be. That’s just disgusting and I hope if the allegations are true. The Hawks clean house. I may not be able to support that lunacy as a fan and a human. I hope the right things are done here soon!!! Well said T.. IF this is true Bowman and perhaps others need to go. McDonough is already out but he too needs to be held accountable if Paul Vincent did indeed tell him and Stan about the incident. But if this gains traction I can see that tool Bowman blaming somebody else like he always does.. oh....i'd say it's gaining traction. it's gaining traction by the hour i'd say. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 25, 2021 23:33:44 GMT -6
Well said T.. IF this is true Bowman and perhaps others need to go. McDonough is already out but he too needs to be held accountable if Paul Vincent did indeed tell him and Stan about the incident. But if this gains traction I can see that tool Bowman blaming somebody else like he always does.. oh....i'd say it's gaining traction. it's gaining traction by the hour i'd say. yeah, the media is definitely starting to pick it up. I saw articles on ESPN and the Washington post last night.. |
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