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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 26, 2021 0:12:13 GMT -6
not trying to cloud as to where the blame lies which is most definitely hawks' management.
but since management failed to act, why couldn't the victims just go straight to the authorities themselves?
would doing it through the team preserve their anonymity? if they struck out on their own they would lose it?
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Post by Tater on Jun 26, 2021 0:26:10 GMT -6
if I had to guess, and that is exactly what I am doing, I would guess that everyone knew but the player(s)/victim(s) didn't want it out there and they didn't want to interrupt the run the team was on. once the coach was jettisoned, I ASSume the brass told the players it wasn't a big deal and that he was gone, so no worries...
I'd say that's a really good guess. That's just how I see it likely happened too.
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Post by Tater on Jun 26, 2021 0:26:56 GMT -6
not trying to cloud as to where the blame lies which is most definitely hawks' management. but since management failed to act, why couldn't the victims just go straight to the authorities themselves? would doing it through the team preserve their anonymity? if they struck out on their own they would lose it? Oooh, great question. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 26, 2021 9:01:28 GMT -6
oh....i'd say it's gaining traction. it's gaining traction by the hour i'd say. yeah, the media is definitely starting to pick it up. I saw articles on ESPN and the Washington post last night.. Nothing in the local media yet though and I watched nearly all the local sportscasts yesterday. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 26, 2021 9:11:14 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jun 26, 2021 10:03:50 GMT -6
Thanks for posting. Now that some of the players are speaking out, I think this thing becomes a rolling stone down the Irish hills now. I hope when all is said and done the things are done!!! |
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Post by Tater on Jun 26, 2021 10:27:02 GMT -6
That is pretty damning. Hopefully they're all held accountable. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 26, 2021 10:34:07 GMT -6
I hear you guys but I was just thinking we might not like what we find out. We might find that SB wanted to go to the authorities and was overruled by McD and we might also find out Q knew and did nothing........just tyin' to be fair.
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Post by Tater on Jun 26, 2021 11:01:20 GMT -6
I hear you guys but I was just thinking we might not like what we find out. We might find that SB wanted to go to the authorities and was overruled by McD and we might also find out Q knew and did nothing........just tyin' to be fair. Yeah, it could be painful to hear and I hate that it could tarnish the Cup runs, but it has to be exposed if true. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 26, 2021 11:05:51 GMT -6
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jun 26, 2021 12:29:31 GMT -6
I think that there was an article in the Sun Times about these allegations. If the allegations are substantiated -- and by all indications they will be -- Bowman and everyone involved in this shameful episode will be gone, as they should be. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jun 26, 2021 12:52:20 GMT -6
I hear you guys but I was just thinking we might not like what we find out. We might find that SB wanted to go to the authorities and was overruled by McD and we might also find out Q knew and did nothing........just tyin' to be fair. Yeah, it could be painful to hear and I hate that it could tarnish the Cup runs, but it has to be exposed if true. For us to hear the unvarnished facts, plaintiffs (at least one) will need to turn down what will be sizable settlement offers if the Blackhawks are unsuccessful in Motions to Dismiss and/or for Summary Judgment - each court loss will inspire the Hawks to offer more $ to keep one of the filings from getting to the Discovery stage of a lawsuit. Discovery stage is where ppl (plaintiff, Hawks management) are actually put under oath, identified, deposed and a court record created. Even then, settlement $$ continue to be discussed between the Hawks and plaintiffs. Unless this gets to a full trial because of losing on the pretrial motions but no out-of-court settlement, the real story will have to leak for us to hear it. Seems that Rocky will not want details of this to be released through in court testimony - probably already a little uncomfortable. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 26, 2021 14:19:29 GMT -6
I hear you guys but I was just thinking we might not like what we find out. We might find that SB wanted to go to the authorities and was overruled by McD and we might also find out Q knew and did nothing........just tyin' to be fair. As Boyngton said everyone on the team knew about it. Why didn't one of the players knock the guys teeth out? Say Buff or Seabs. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 26, 2021 16:48:49 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jun 26, 2021 17:40:13 GMT -6
yeah, the media is definitely starting to pick it up. I saw articles on ESPN and the Washington post last night.. Nothing in the local media yet though and I watched nearly all the local sportscasts yesterday. my understanding is that the local radio was the first to bring it up. the local TV will follow when there is enough outrage to bring in viewers, I'm sure. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 26, 2021 18:10:20 GMT -6
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Post by vonbeck on Jun 26, 2021 18:45:02 GMT -6
I hear you guys but I was just thinking we might not like what we find out. We might find that SB wanted to go to the authorities and was overruled by McD and we might also find out Q knew and did nothing........just tyin' to be fair. As Boyngton said everyone on the team knew about it. Why didn't one of the players knock the guys teeth out? Say Buff or Seabs. Yeah that's the thing though. I can certainly understand a young on the bubble type player being afraid to do anything about it for fear of losing his place on the team. But if the veterans knew about this and did nothing? Ouch, makes ya wonder. If keeping this quiet back in 2010 just for the sake of winning... Shit, that's very disturbing and paints a dark picture. I hope this is not as bad as it looks and the media as usual is making a bigger thing out of it, but I don't know...
Dammit boys I just wanna enjoy good clean Eddie Shore type hockey, I would hate this to tarnish my beloved Hawks...
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Post by number9 on Jun 26, 2021 19:17:09 GMT -6
As Boyngton said everyone on the team knew about it. Why didn't one of the players knock the guys teeth out? Say Buff or Seabs. Yeah that's the thing though. I can certainly understand a young on the bubble type player being afraid to do anything about it for fear of losing his place on the team. But if the veterans knew about this and did nothing? Ouch, makes ya wonder. If keeping this quiet back in 2010 just for the sake of winning... Shit, that's very disturbing and paints a dark picture. I hope this is not as bad as it looks and the media as usual is making a bigger thing out of it, but I don't know...
Dammit boys I just wanna enjoy good clean Eddie Shore type hockey, I would hate this to tarnish my beloved Hawks...
Wasn't Eddie Shore the one who used to train his goalie to not go down by putting a noose around his neck, tying it to the crossbar and taking low shots on him when he was a coach in the American League? I guess that wouldn't fly anymore nowadays. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 26, 2021 21:39:02 GMT -6
this is a bad era to be a hawks' fan.
this sexual assault allegation, the logo controversy, the toews' mystery, foley retiring, losing seabs and crow and shaw among others, mired in generally poor play with little or no direction out of it.
i'm no doubt forgetting some things but it's a good start. and of course there are some positives but not much really.
i'm not trying to diminish the suffering of the victims and yes, i'm thinking selfishly here, but maybe this whole mess will eventually lead us to better management top to bottom and to better times ahead.
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Post by Tater on Jun 27, 2021 0:08:35 GMT -6
this is a bad era to be a hawks' fan. this sexual assault allegation, the logo controversy, the toews' mystery, foley retiring, losing seabs and crow and shaw among others, mired in generally poor play with little or no direction out of it. i'm no doubt forgetting some things but it's a good start. and of course there are some positives but not much really. i'm not trying to dimish the suffering of the victims and yes, i'm thinking selfishly here, but maybe this whole mess will eventually lead us to better management top to bottom and to better times ahead.
All true, but...
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 27, 2021 5:39:34 GMT -6
this is a bad era to be a hawks' fan. this sexual assault allegation, the logo controversy, the toews' mystery, foley retiring, losing seabs and crow and shaw among others, mired in generally poor play with little or no direction out of it. i'm no doubt forgetting some things but it's a good start. and of course there are some positives but not much really. i'm not trying to diminish the suffering of the victims and yes, i'm thinking selfishly here, but maybe this whole mess will eventually lead us to better management top to bottom and to better times ahead.Only way to make it "better" is going to have to sell the team or disband the franchise. Every player knew, every coach knew, every executive knew. Also the league knew, every team heard about it and knew, every player in the league heard about it. The "NHL BRASS' also needs to be fired. |
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Jun 27, 2021 5:51:41 GMT -6
The best thing about this whole bad situation is,that it's out in the open, if it is proven to be true. Now maybe it will help put an end to future abuse's.
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Post by BigT on Jun 27, 2021 7:31:13 GMT -6
No company or organization is any better than the people up top. If they screw up, the rest of the place is doomed. That is the same with the Hawks. Whether it’s a terrible roster that management put forth, or allowing a sexual assault to take place.
My concern now is that since “everyone knew”. More and more will be thrown under the bus and dragged for miles. However the reality is, the trainers, coaching staff and players etc really can’t be held accountable due to Paul Vincent actually telling management and they declined to do anything. Again, you’re only as good as your management.
If I was an employee somewhere. And I knew about something like this, went to management and they downplayed it and did nothing, how could I be liable for anything? If I were Scam Bowman, I’d be very nervous right now. He’s probably the only one left from that time. And if this comes out and he finally gets shitcanned, he’ll never work in this league again. He’s done.
I hope the Hawks are working on a contingency plan here. Now way they can keep that guy around for many reasons, let alone this disgusting act. Time to really clean house!!!
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Post by hsbob on Jun 27, 2021 7:40:52 GMT -6
I think that there was an article in the Sun Times about these allegations. If the allegations are substantiated -- and by all indications they will be -- Bowman and everyone involved in this shameful episode will be gone, as they should be. Saw the ST article yesterday,it was after my post or at least I saw it after my post,still nothing on WBBM news radio or the local TV sports coverage but I'm sure it's a comin. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 27, 2021 7:47:01 GMT -6
Nothing in the local media yet though and I watched nearly all the local sportscasts yesterday. my understanding is that the local radio was the first to bring it up. the local TV will follow when there is enough outrage to bring in viewers, I'm sure. I usually have WBBM Chicago on when I'm on my computer and you may have noticed that I quote them often because they're good at breaking Hawk news but nothing yet from them. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 27, 2021 8:15:48 GMT -6
I hear you guys but I was just thinking we might not like what we find out. We might find that SB wanted to go to the authorities and was overruled by McD and we might also find out Q knew and did nothing........just tyin' to be fair. As Boyngton said everyone on the team knew about it. Why didn't one of the players knock the guys teeth out? Say Buff or Seabs. I feel your emotion T-man....I really do and I'm sure we'd both volunteer to do the deed ourselves but as Vonbeck mentioned,these may have been young,bubble players afraid to speak up earlier. As far as our bigger guys you mentioned and the team's leaders at the time,even these guys were kids really,the captain was only 22 at the time. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the victims were either black aces or fringe/bubble kids because these predators look for the vulnerable kids in weaker team standing as far as ice time......KNOWING.......FUKING KNOWNG these vulnerable kids will do almost anything to keep or salvage their dreams of playing in the NHL and they take full advantage. Combine that with ultra young team leadership as I mentioned and this predator saw his opening........combine that with the laser beam focus of a team trying to win it's first cup in half a decade and it ended up bad. If the 'meeting' went down the way Paul Vincent is willing to testify it went down then McD was the Sr. Org. member in attendance and should shoulder most of the blame IMO but he's gone. There were at least five people in the 'meeting' so it's interesting.......was the decision not to go to the authorities unanimous or were there decenters who were told to dummy up? It'll also be interesting to see who's signature is on that referral letter! |
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Post by BigT on Jun 27, 2021 8:29:48 GMT -6
As Boyngton said everyone on the team knew about it. Why didn't one of the players knock the guys teeth out? Say Buff or Seabs. I feel your emotion T-man....I really do and I'm sure we'd both volunteer to do the deed ourselves but as Vonbeck mentioned,these may have been young,bubble players afraid to speak up earlier. As far as our bigger guys you mentioned and the team's leaders at the time,even these guys were kids really,the captain was only 22 at the time. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the victims were either black aces or fringe/bubble kids because these predators look for the vulnerable kids in weaker team standing as far as ice time......KNOWING.......FUKING KNOWNG these vulnerable kids will do almost anything to keep or salvage their dreams of playing in the NHL and they take full advantage. Combine that with ultra young team leadership as I mentioned and this predator saw his opening........combine that with the laser beam focus of a team trying to win it's first cup in half a decade and it ended up bad. If the 'meeting' went down the way Paul Vincent is willing to testify it went down then McD was the Sr. Org. member in attendance and should shoulder most of the blame IMO but he's gone. There were at least five people in the 'meeting' so it's interesting.......was the decision not to go to the authorities unanimous or were there decenters who were told to dummy up? It'll also be interesting to see who's signature is on that referral letter! There’s an article in the Tribune I just read. It touches on some of the questions you asked. It does say most of what we’ve heard that’s why I didn’t post it. However the lawyer (Loggans I believe) for John Doe 1. Says in detail what happened and a bunch of other stuff. Clearly says that McD and Scam did not want this to go any further. I’ll post it!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jun 27, 2021 8:30:43 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Jun 27, 2021 9:19:14 GMT -6
Since both major papers are now covering it,it can't be long till local TV and radio do the same or at least one would think so. Looks like the team,the league and the PA are all hoping this blows over and to be honest,it just might as disgusting as that sounds. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 27, 2021 10:13:40 GMT -6
Since both major papers are now covering it,it can't be long till local TV and radio do the same or at least one would think so. Looks like the team,the league and the PA are all hoping this blows over and to be honest,it just might as disgusting as that sounds. I wouldn’t doubt it. I hope it’s not because the victim is a male. That sounds stupid, but in today’s day and age it wouldn’t surprise me one bit. I think the kicker here is that the Hawks let Aldick go and gave him a letter of recommendation and he assaulted a minor. According to that article, McD and Scam both said to hide the matter. Which is very concerning. Scam should be shitcanned and the victims should get to punch McD in the throat. Since he don’t speak up anyways, that seems fitting!!! |
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