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Post by vadarx on Jul 23, 2021 22:13:21 GMT -6
like i said,i lost the draft feed at the worst possible time. was there a reaction video from the nolan allan household? i'm thinking it was a quickly thrown together "nolan....wake up and get down here!" if he is in western Canada it wasn't even 9 pm... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 23, 2021 22:17:05 GMT -6
like i said,i lost the draft feed at the worst possible time. was there a reaction video from the nolan allan household? i'm thinking it was a quickly thrown together "nolan....wake up and get down here!" if he is in western Canada it wasn't even 9 pm... prairie boys are generally in bed by 8. got hogs to slop and cows to milk in the morning you know. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 23, 2021 22:26:00 GMT -6
Ranked #83 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM Ranked #101 by FCHOCKEY Ranked #59 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE Ranked #89 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY Ranked #40 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters) Ranked #59 by RECRUIT SCOUTING Ranked #93 by DOBBERPROSPECTS Ranked #64 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY Ranked #98 by SMAHT SCOUTING Yeah if central scouting had other leagues included he'd probably be in the 80's. He probably would've been there with the 2nd pick on day 2 but maybe they seen something's in his limited games and interview. I don't mind this pick. He’s a decent prospect but I’d rather they take Raty or Chibrikov there and see if Allan was there later. It’s interesting how Chicago is going big on their defence prospects after years of drafting small. New philosophy or just chasing trends. I would like to know who their target would have been if the Jones trade hadn’t happened. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 23, 2021 22:57:03 GMT -6
if he is in western Canada it wasn't even 9 pm... prairie boys are generally in bed by 8. got hogs to slop and cows to milk in the morning you know. lol.... I 'member being his age and having to do chores and that never stopped me from being up half the night...😛 |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 23, 2021 22:57:55 GMT -6
Yeah if central scouting had other leagues included he'd probably be in the 80's. He probably would've been there with the 2nd pick on day 2 but maybe they seen something's in his limited games and interview. I don't mind this pick. He’s a decent prospect but I’d rather they take Raty or Chibrikov there and see if Allan was there later. It’s interesting how Chicago is going big on their defence prospects after years of drafting small. New philosophy or just chasing trends. I would like to know who their target would have been if the Jones trade hadn’t happened. maybe they are watching Yzerman. his blue line is going to be huge in a few years... and fast... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 23, 2021 23:02:01 GMT -6
prairie boys are generally in bed by 8. got hogs to slop and cows to milk in the morning you know. lol.... I 'member being his age and having to do chores and that never stopped me from being up half the night...😛 you from a farm? |
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Post by tincup on Jul 23, 2021 23:06:49 GMT -6
He’s a decent prospect but I’d rather they take Raty or Chibrikov there and see if Allan was there later. It’s interesting how Chicago is going big on their defence prospects after years of drafting small. New philosophy or just chasing trends. I would like to know who their target would have been if the Jones trade hadn’t happened. maybe they are watching Yzerman. his blue line is going to be huge in a few years... and fast... I’d love to see Kris Draper stolen out of the Wings front office to replace Bowman. Won’t happen but I think he’d be real good at the job. I have hated the Wings for years but begrudgingly I’ll admit they have gotten their shit together. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 23, 2021 23:10:32 GMT -6
lol.... I 'member being his age and having to do chores and that never stopped me from being up half the night...😛 you from a farm? I worked on my uncles farm in the summers when I was a lad. mostly bailing hay, but I helped milk and clean up cow shit also. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 23, 2021 23:12:02 GMT -6
maybe they are watching Yzerman. his blue line is going to be huge in a few years... and fast... I’d love to see Kris Draper stolen out of the Wings front office to replace Bowman. Won’t happen but I think he’d be real good at the job. I have hated the Wings for years but begrudgingly I’ll admit they have gotten their shit together. said the same earlier. I am gonna be even more pissed down the road if we keep dicking around with Bowman and Draper ends up elsewhere... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 23, 2021 23:18:17 GMT -6
I worked on my uncles farm in the summers when I was a lad. mostly bailing hay, but I helped milk and clean up cow shit also. Right on. I'm a bit disappointed actually. I was all ready to pounce with a "cat-milking in motown" comment a la greg focker. : ) |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 23, 2021 23:24:33 GMT -6
I worked on my uncles farm in the summers when I was a lad. mostly bailing hay, but I helped milk and clean up cow shit also. Right on. I'm a bit disappointed actually. I was all ready to pounce with a "cat-milking in motown" comment a la greg focker. : ) 🤣 nah. I grew up in the boonies. once I hit 17, I got a job in the evenings and that was the end of my getting up early days... nowadays the only time I am up early is to either go hunting or fishing... |
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Post by tincup on Jul 23, 2021 23:26:09 GMT -6
I’d love to see Kris Draper stolen out of the Wings front office to replace Bowman. Won’t happen but I think he’d be real good at the job. I have hated the Wings for years but begrudgingly I’ll admit they have gotten their shit together. said thr same earlier. I am gonna be even more pissed down the road if we keep dicking around with Bowman and Draper ends up elsewhere... Didn’t see that or I don’t remember, my Wings buddy has talked about him a lot. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 23, 2021 23:28:34 GMT -6
said thr same earlier. I am gonna be even more pissed down the road if we keep dicking around with Bowman and Draper ends up elsewhere... Didn’t see that or I don’t remember, my Wings buddy has talked about him a lot. yeah, it was likely in a couple of my "rage posts" earlier... lol. once I heard about the trade I had to start exercising so I could sweat out some of the anger... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 23, 2021 23:32:18 GMT -6
Wow, Habs took the photo buff. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 24, 2021 6:54:09 GMT -6
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 24, 2021 7:56:11 GMT -6
Ranked #83 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM Ranked #101 by FCHOCKEY Ranked #59 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE Ranked #89 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY Ranked #40 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters) Ranked #59 by RECRUIT SCOUTING Ranked #93 by DOBBERPROSPECTS Ranked #64 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY Ranked #98 by SMAHT SCOUTING I know I said before what's important is what the teams themselves think of a player and how the teams have them evaluated, however I'm still scratching my head over the pick. How is the Allan pick not a case of passing up better players and really reaching for someone that everyone felt could have been gotten with the Hawks late 2nd rounder? Am I missing something? Now at 61, the Hawks will get maybe the 30th-35th forward; 21 F's are gone already. I thought players like Allan were the type you take after the first round. I would like to have hung on to the earlier 2nd rd. pick at 44, instead of the late pick at 61. Instead of only 11 more players gone before picking again, it means 29 more players will be gone by the time the Hawks make their second pick. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 24, 2021 8:00:23 GMT -6
The reviews got better further down. Every team needs a guy like this. One of the TSN guys (Weekes?) reached for a Seabrook comparison but they were all fumbling looking for info when his name was called. Best we can hope for is he develops well and gets picked for the WJC’s next year and excels. But a real letdown after watching for hours for that pick. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 24, 2021 8:49:34 GMT -6
Ranked #83 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM Ranked #101 by FCHOCKEY Ranked #59 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE Ranked #89 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY Ranked #40 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters) Ranked #59 by RECRUIT SCOUTING Ranked #93 by DOBBERPROSPECTS Ranked #64 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY Ranked #98 by SMAHT SCOUTING I know I said before what's important is what the teams themselves think of a player and how the teams have them evaluated, however I'm still scratching my head over the pick. How is the Allan pick not a case of passing up better players and really reaching for someone that everyone felt could have been gotten with the Hawks late 2nd rounder? Am I missing something? Now at 61, the Hawks will get maybe the 30th-35th forward; 21 F's are gone already. I thought players like Allan were the type you take after the first round. I would like to have hung on to the earlier 2nd rd. pick at 44, instead of the late pick at 61. Instead of only 11 more players gone before picking again, it means 29 more players will be gone by the time the Hawks make their second pick. agree on all counts. Allan was someone they likely could've had at 62. probably unnecessary to take him where they did. I also agree that Bowman should've played hardball on the second round pick, considering we were already giving up a first next year and swapping first this year. seems like the trade wouldn't have fallen through because he wanted to keep the pick at 44... |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 24, 2021 8:50:49 GMT -6
The reviews got better further down. Every team needs a guy like this. One of the TSN guys (Weekes?) reached for a Seabrook comparison but they were all fumbling looking for info when his name was called. Best we can hope for is he develops well and gets picked for the WJC’s next year and excels. But a real letdown after watching for hours for that pick. i don't dislike the pick, I just dislike where/when it occurred. they could've taken a swing at someone at 32 and then grabbed Allan with their first pick this morning... |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 24, 2021 8:53:18 GMT -6
The reviews got better further down. Every team needs a guy like this. One of the TSN guys (Weekes?) reached for a Seabrook comparison but they were all fumbling looking for info when his name was called. Best we can hope for is he develops well and gets picked for the WJC’s next year and excels. But a real letdown after watching for hours for that pick. Brent Seabrook averaged over 34 points a season in the NHL and from what I read,this kid has little to no offensive game at all. He was slated much lower by the experts but at least he has size and plays responsibly. Gilbert had size and toughness and Carlsson played responsibly too......we didn't need those guys. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 24, 2021 8:53:55 GMT -6
The reviews got better further down. Every team needs a guy like this. One of the TSN guys (Weekes?) reached for a Seabrook comparison but they were all fumbling looking for info when his name was called. Best we can hope for is he develops well and gets picked for the WJC’s next year and excels. But a real letdown after watching for hours for that pick. i don't dislike the pick, I just dislike where/when it occurred. they could've taken a swing at someone at 32 and then grabbed Allan with their first pick this morning... I feel the same. Raty or Chibrikov were still there. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 24, 2021 9:01:04 GMT -6
The reviews got better further down. Every team needs a guy like this. One of the TSN guys (Weekes?) reached for a Seabrook comparison but they were all fumbling looking for info when his name was called. Best we can hope for is he develops well and gets picked for the WJC’s next year and excels. But a real letdown after watching for hours for that pick. Brent Seabrook averaged over 34 points a season in the NHL and from what I read,this kid has little to no offensive game at all. He was slated much lower by the experts but at least he has size and plays responsibly. Gilbert had size and toughness and Carlsson played responsibly too......we didn't need those guys. That’s what I meant when I said Weekes “reached” for that comparison. I think he was looking to fill dead air because they had nothing on that kid for a few seconds. All we can do now is hope the kid develops nicely and makes the team before Bowman trades him too. Seems like Bowman has had an epiphany after drafting so many small players he’s now accumulating big ones, drafting Vlasic, Philips, Krutil, this guy etc. plus trading for Zadorov and Regula. I don’t know if there’s a plan or he’s just jumping on trends. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 24, 2021 10:09:50 GMT -6
I know I said before what's important is what the teams themselves think of a player and how the teams have them evaluated, however I'm still scratching my head over the pick. How is the Allan pick not a case of passing up better players and really reaching for someone that everyone felt could have been gotten with the Hawks late 2nd rounder? Am I missing something? Now at 61, the Hawks will get maybe the 30th-35th forward; 21 F's are gone already. I thought players like Allan were the type you take after the first round. I would like to have hung on to the earlier 2nd rd. pick at 44, instead of the late pick at 61. Instead of only 11 more players gone before picking again, it means 29 more players will be gone by the time the Hawks make their second pick. agree on all counts. Allan was someone they likely could've had at 62. probably unnecessary to take him where they did. I also agree that Bowman should've played hardball on the second round pick, considering we were already giving up a first next year and swapping first this year. seems like the trade wouldn't have fallen through because he wanted to keep the pick at 44...Agreed; the Hawks should have held firm on the 2nd rounder. Getting another lottery pick at 11, to go along with their own pick at 5, plus a 1st. rounder next year, would be more important to the Jacket's rebuilding than the difference between picking at 61 instead of 44. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 24, 2021 11:05:35 GMT -6
It's sucks Bowman added a 2nd to go along with two 1st but I'm glad the Hawks got Dach near the end of the 2nd round, thought for sure someone would've grabbed him.
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 24, 2021 11:19:01 GMT -6
Exactly, that has to stop. The dman shouldn't go past the faceoff dot, that's when the winger and/or center should take over. I like Z and if he'll sign for 4+ million per for 3yrs do it, if not, arbitration will favor the Hawks. I'll pass for 4M myself,he gets walked by fast forwards and he's only tough occasionally........he's a paper tiger much of the time too. Jones,Murphy,deHAAH-job,Z(if he returns),Kaylnuk,Stillman and Jones Jr don't leave any room at the Inn for Beaudin and Mitchell.........two more failed picks soon to be launched? Yes, one would wonder if Beaudin and/or Mitchell will be launched. But, in the face of that, how does one explain Bowman taking another dman with his 1st round pick? Given the almost complete inability to control the puck in the other team's end wouldn't a forward have been the better pick? Perhaps someone could explain to me why they would take a dman instead of a forward. I really don't understand the process here, if it can be called a process rather than a random series of unrelated, erratic and mystifying events. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 24, 2021 12:49:46 GMT -6
Did I read the ticker right? The Hawks traded a third rounder in next year's draft to the Canes for their 3rd rounder this year at 91, and took another D-man, Taige Harding. He's big enough to play Tight End.
Then took a third Dman with their first pick in the 4th. All three Dmen seem to be the same type: defensive types with no offense but have size and hard to play against.
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Post by BigT on Jul 24, 2021 13:31:52 GMT -6
They took a dman simply because they don’t have that top end defender. Beaudin looks decent but he’s small. We have very few NHL caliber dmen. They took another Huge dman from the AJHL. Looks like the philosophy has changed……. Again!!!
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Post by number9 on Jul 24, 2021 13:35:17 GMT -6
They took a dman simply because they don’t have that top end defender. Beaudin looks decent but he’s small. We have very few NHL caliber dmen. They took another Huge dman from the AJHL. Looks like the philosophy has changed……. Again!!! I guess they're trying to do like TB except that Hedman, McDonaugh, Sergachev, Savard and Cernak weren't 4th rounders. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 24, 2021 13:36:22 GMT -6
I'm liking the picks so far, people can't say Bowman doesn't draft from the CHL and only drafts small guys anymore.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 24, 2021 13:40:35 GMT -6
The Swede in the 4th round has a great scouting report, one scout said he probably has the best motor in the whole draft, the last guy Chicago drafted who a scout said the same thing was Danault.
He's a C/LW, 5'11" 200+lbs 👍
The other 4th rounder is a 6'4" 200+lbs known for being aggressive and a good skater.
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