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Post by BigT on Nov 11, 2021 13:15:26 GMT -6
And wouldn’t Borgstrom be better off getting more minutes in Rockford? I suspect that Scambo told him or put it in writing that he wouldn’t let Borgstrom go to the farm. That he’s get at least one year in the NHL outta his 2 year deal. Or something along those lines!!! |
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 11, 2021 13:21:25 GMT -6
And wouldn’t Borgstrom be better off getting more minutes in Rockford? they might have this fear that Borgstrom might be snatched up in waivers if sent down. (At least i think he has to pass thru waivers first?) |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 11, 2021 14:33:20 GMT -6
Finally Carp if off the PP, I love his hard work but he's a 4th liner and PK specialist. Hopefully Dach makes the most of it, I'm sure that screen on Seths goal helped in the decision to move him up, plus he has way better hands than Carp. Borgstrom and Strome had good chemistry in the preseason with Dach, those 2 on the 3rd line could be fun to watch. They probably want a righty on that line so Gaudette makes sense or else Kurashev should be there. Hopefully the bottom 6 starts scoring. |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 11, 2021 16:15:00 GMT -6
And wouldn’t Borgstrom be better off getting more minutes in Rockford? I suspect that Scambo told him or put it in writing that he wouldn’t let Borgstrom go to the farm. That he’s get at least one year in the NHL outta his 2 year deal. Or something along those lines!!! well he isn't the GM here anymore, so who gives a shit what he told him. he needs to earn a spot. |
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Post by nighbor on Nov 11, 2021 17:23:16 GMT -6
I suspect that Scambo told him or put it in writing that he wouldn’t let Borgstrom go to the farm. That he’s get at least one year in the NHL outta his 2 year deal. Or something along those lines!!! well he isn't the GM here anymore, so who gives a shit what he told him. he needs to earn a spot. Does that mean Toews , Kane, Debrincat etc are no longer under contract. |
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Post by steamer on Nov 11, 2021 17:29:39 GMT -6
If Dach can hang around the net - particularly on the PP - he can get some points. There was a big center who played for the Bruins in the early 80s, Peter McNab who scored a lot by staying within 8 or 10 feet of the goal. Lots of rebounds, screens, tips, etc. But you're getting beaten on pretty good by the opposing D a lot of the time too and others have pointed out that Dach may be prone to injury playing a rough style - or putting himself in vulnerable situations.
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Post by vadarx on Nov 11, 2021 17:52:41 GMT -6
well he isn't the GM here anymore, so who gives a shit what he told him. he needs to earn a spot. Does that mean Toews , Kane, Debrincat etc are no longer under contract. what does that have to do with Borgstrom or anything that I said? a verbal agreement is not something that requires honoring if one of the parties is no longer involved with the org. now if it is in his contract, that's a different story. |
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Post by nighbor on Nov 11, 2021 22:38:05 GMT -6
Does that mean Toews , Kane, Debrincat etc are no longer under contract. what does that have to do with Borgstrom or anything that I said? a verbal agreement is not something that requires honoring if one of the parties is no longer involved with the org. now if it is in his contract, that's a different story. Nothing. You said he isn't the GM here anymore, so who gives a shit what he told him and the answer to that is the "law" does. Borgstrom has a valid contract and the law states that Verbal agreements are considered contracts even though they were not memorialized in written form. Assuming that the contract is valid, the verbal agreement between two parties is binding. Stan never was one of the parties. Legally Stan was representing the Blackhawks making the Blackhawks Party 1 and Borgstrom Party 2. |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 12, 2021 0:44:52 GMT -6
what does that have to do with Borgstrom or anything that I said? a verbal agreement is not something that requires honoring if one of the parties is no longer involved with the org. now if it is in his contract, that's a different story. Nothing. You said he isn't the GM here anymore, so who gives a shit what he told him and the answer to that is the "law" does. Borgstrom has a valid contract and the law states that Verbal agreements are considered contracts even though they were not memorialized in written form. Assuming that the contract is valid, the verbal agreement between two parties is binding. Stan never was one of the parties. Legally Stan was representing the Blackhawks making the Blackhawks Party 1 and Borgstrom Party 2. fair, but if they really needed to, I'm pretty sure the 'hawks could challenge that (a verbal commitment). that being said, I highly doubt that even Bowman would be dumb enough to put that (guaranteed NHL playing time) in writing. if he did verbalize the idea that Borgstrom would get time in the NHL, that has already been fulfilled. I can recall times where deals have been signed with clauses that stated a player could go back to their home country/team should they not make the NHL club rather than being sent to the AHL. I don't recall that being mentioned with Borgstrom, but maybe they did? I kinda doubt it, though. this guy is basically on his last shot at making the big leagues and stipulations like that aren't going to endear him to any team that might give him another shot should he not stick in Chicago. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 12, 2021 0:56:43 GMT -6
Only thing I’ll chime in with is this. I have no proof if it’s in writing or not. However Scambo has been said to be really good at giving guys their chances. Whether they deserve them or not. Many Euros signed with the Hawks basically because they were offered a chance. Same with Mitchell. Kubalik, Borgstrom and let’s not forget Runblad. Please don’t forget him. Or Sikura.
Probably a big reason why the team has steadily declined. I believe Scambo was liked amongst a lot of the players because he was a “nice guy” and gave them too much.
I do recall Borgstrom saying that he wanted a guaranteed shot or he’d not sign here and stay over in Europe. So he probably has an out and if he’s not happy or whatnot, he can head back next year. Which I suspect will be the case!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 12, 2021 1:18:02 GMT -6
Whether or not Borgstrom had a deal so he wouldn't be sent down shouldn't matter because he earned a spot in the preseason.
He's not a liability defensively and has soft hands and hard shot. Now that they aren't running around in their own zone chasing guys it should help on offense.
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 12, 2021 6:35:48 GMT -6
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Post by nighbor on Nov 12, 2021 11:26:49 GMT -6
Nothing. You said he isn't the GM here anymore, so who gives a shit what he told him and the answer to that is the "law" does. Borgstrom has a valid contract and the law states that Verbal agreements are considered contracts even though they were not memorialized in written form. Assuming that the contract is valid, the verbal agreement between two parties is binding. Stan never was one of the parties. Legally Stan was representing the Blackhawks making the Blackhawks Party 1 and Borgstrom Party 2. fair, but if they really needed to, I'm pretty sure the 'hawks could challenge that (a verbal commitment). that being said, I highly doubt that even Bowman would be dumb enough to put that (guaranteed NHL playing time) in writing. if he did verbalize the idea that Borgstrom would get time in the NHL, that has already been fulfilled. I can recall times where deals have been signed with clauses that stated a player could go back to their home country/team should they not make the NHL club rather than being sent to the AHL. I don't recall that being mentioned with Borgstrom, but maybe they did? I kinda doubt it, though. this guy is basically on his last shot at making the big leagues and stipulations like that aren't going to endear him to any team that might give him another shot should he not stick in Chicago. The important part of my post was that Verbal agreements are considered contracts even though they were not memorialized in written form and they are binding. I am sure that the 'hawks could challenge that verbal commitmentcontract. I am also sure that the NHLPA and Borgstrom would counter with a preach of contract lawsuit. Why would the NHLPA join with Borgstrom? First of all he is a member and secondly many members have verbal commitments contracts so if Borgstrom's contract could be brought into question so could theirs. The owners including Wirtz would not want to open up that can of worms. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 12, 2021 11:35:13 GMT -6
fair, but if they really needed to, I'm pretty sure the 'hawks could challenge that (a verbal commitment). that being said, I highly doubt that even Bowman would be dumb enough to put that (guaranteed NHL playing time) in writing. if he did verbalize the idea that Borgstrom would get time in the NHL, that has already been fulfilled. I can recall times where deals have been signed with clauses that stated a player could go back to their home country/team should they not make the NHL club rather than being sent to the AHL. I don't recall that being mentioned with Borgstrom, but maybe they did? I kinda doubt it, though. this guy is basically on his last shot at making the big leagues and stipulations like that aren't going to endear him to any team that might give him another shot should he not stick in Chicago. The important part of my post was that Verbal agreements are considered contracts even though they were not memorialized in written form and they are binding. I am sure that the 'hawks could challenge that verbal commitmentcontract. I am also sure that the NHLPA and Borgstrom would counter with a preach of contract lawsuit. Why would the NHLPA join with Borgstrom? First of all he is a member and secondly many members have verbal commitments contracts so if Borgstrom's contract could be brought into question so could theirs. The owners including Wirtz would not want to open up that can of worms. If that's the case Suter would've been a Blackhawk because it was well known that he had a verbal agreement to come here then he signed in Minnesota to play with Parise. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 12, 2021 11:39:14 GMT -6
So tonight is an ESPN+/HULU game? I'm canceling 'center ice' after already missing two of Florida's 'premium' games and now I'll miss a Hawks home game because I won't buy ANOTHER streaming service after paying my huge Comcast bill too?
Arthur and Bill have to be smiling somewhere(Hell?)and if they don't want me to watch........I can be persuaded.
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Post by tincup on Nov 12, 2021 11:41:44 GMT -6
Substitute Hagel for Khaira if you could and Entwhistle for R. Johnson and I think that’s the team.
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Post by Tater on Nov 12, 2021 11:54:51 GMT -6
F.U. ESPN.
That is all.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 12, 2021 11:56:34 GMT -6
So tonight is an ESPN+/HULU game? I'm canceling 'center ice' after already missing two of Florida's 'premium' games and now I'll miss a Hawks home game because I won't buy ANOTHER streaming service after paying my huge Comcast bill too? Arthur and Bill have to be smiling somewhere(Hell?)and if they don't want me to watch........I can be persuaded. That's why I switched back to NHL Live last season, they play every televised game, unlike CenterIce. And CI blacks out any game in Alberta, which sucks for me because I don't pay for TSN or Sportsnet. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 12, 2021 12:30:23 GMT -6
So tonight is an ESPN+/HULU game? I'm canceling 'center ice' after already missing two of Florida's 'premium' games and now I'll miss a Hawks home game because I won't buy ANOTHER streaming service after paying my huge Comcast bill too? Arthur and Bill have to be smiling somewhere(Hell?)and if they don't want me to watch........I can be persuaded. That's why I switched back to NHL Live last season, they play every televised game, unlike CenterIce. And CI blacks out any game in Alberta, which sucks for me because I don't pay for TSN or Sportsnet. Does NHL live allow you to watch on your TV or just devices and your computer? |
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Post by Tater on Nov 12, 2021 12:44:08 GMT -6
So it's 5 games this year that require Hulu. Next year probably 10, then...
It will be like back in the 90's listening to games on the radio again.
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Post by vadarx on Nov 12, 2021 12:53:02 GMT -6
fair, but if they really needed to, I'm pretty sure the 'hawks could challenge that (a verbal commitment). that being said, I highly doubt that even Bowman would be dumb enough to put that (guaranteed NHL playing time) in writing. if he did verbalize the idea that Borgstrom would get time in the NHL, that has already been fulfilled. I can recall times where deals have been signed with clauses that stated a player could go back to their home country/team should they not make the NHL club rather than being sent to the AHL. I don't recall that being mentioned with Borgstrom, but maybe they did? I kinda doubt it, though. this guy is basically on his last shot at making the big leagues and stipulations like that aren't going to endear him to any team that might give him another shot should he not stick in Chicago. The important part of my post was that Verbal agreements are considered contracts even though they were not memorialized in written form and they are binding. I am sure that the 'hawks could challenge that verbal commitmentcontract. I am also sure that the NHLPA and Borgstrom would counter with a preach of contract lawsuit. Why would the NHLPA join with Borgstrom? First of all he is a member and secondly many members have verbal commitments contracts so if Borgstrom's contract could be brought into question so could theirs. The owners including Wirtz would not want to open up that can of worms. Stan Bowman telling him "hey, trust me, I'm in charge here. we'll get you on the ice" is no way going to hold up in court if he actually chose to go that route. no player (or his representative) with half a brain cell would agree to anything like that without written proof. so, imo, if it isn't in his contract, which I've not heard that he has such a clause, he's got nada and can take his ass up to Rockford of the team deems it prudent. besides, he has been off the ice for a while now, I don't know how a conditioning stint in Rockford would be considered a bad thing. separately, if he refuses to do so then I don't know why any 'hawks fan would want him around any longer anyway. we don't need that kind of attitude in the locker room. |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 12, 2021 12:55:21 GMT -6
So tonight is an ESPN+/HULU game? I'm canceling 'center ice' after already missing two of Florida's 'premium' games and now I'll miss a Hawks home game because I won't buy ANOTHER streaming service after paying my huge Comcast bill too? Arthur and Bill have to be smiling somewhere(Hell?)and if they don't want me to watch........I can be persuaded. That's why I switched back to NHL Live last season, they play every televised game, unlike CenterIce. And CI blacks out any game in Alberta, which sucks for me because I don't pay for TSN or Sportsnet. so are they showing the games that are on hulu and epsn+ as well? |
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Post by Tater on Nov 12, 2021 12:58:30 GMT -6
Anyone have a stream for tonight's game?
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Post by vadarx on Nov 12, 2021 13:06:41 GMT -6
So tonight is an ESPN+/HULU game? I'm canceling 'center ice' after already missing two of Florida's 'premium' games and now I'll miss a Hawks home game because I won't buy ANOTHER streaming service after paying my huge Comcast bill too? Arthur and Bill have to be smiling somewhere(Hell?)and if they don't want me to watch........I can be persuaded. yeah, this whole thing has just gotten ridiculous. I got espn+ this year after having nhl gamecenter or whatever else they called it since moving outta the city before the 15-16 season. I did have center ice for one season and that was all it took for me to never EVER sign up for directv again. thus far I've been able to watch every game since getting outta the boonies. we will see if that continues. it always pissed me off when games were blacked out, though. ESPECIALLY games that were on NHL network.... a couple side points here... one, it is too bad we don't have the talented Mr Galaxy around here nowadays, as he surely didn't pay for any of this crap to watch games. the special lady here is also adept at finding just about anything we want to watch for free (minus the cost of internet access) on her shitty old laptop. I've had to put her to work a few times the past two seasons finding games that were blacked out. so, there is a way, is what I am saying. I would just recommend using a laptop you don't care too much about... secondly, and maybe more importantly, I would like everyone to note the move out date I posted above and then take into account that I moved IN in the fall of 2009... I'll be setting up an account to send donations to fund my return to the city soon, seeing as you should all clearly see what the cause of our lack of winning the past 6 seasons can be attributed to..... 😜 |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 12, 2021 14:12:51 GMT -6
That's why I switched back to NHL Live last season, they play every televised game, unlike CenterIce. And CI blacks out any game in Alberta, which sucks for me because I don't pay for TSN or Sportsnet. Does NHL live allow you to watch on your TV or just devices and your computer? I watch from my ps4 because Samsung doesn't have the app but some smart TVs do. So far every game is televised on NHL Live so I guess I'll find out this evening if this game is. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 12, 2021 15:11:04 GMT -6
Does NHL live allow you to watch on your TV or just devices and your computer? I watch from my ps4 because Samsung doesn't have the app but some smart TVs do. So far every game is televised on NHL Live so I guess I'll find out this evening if this game is. On my Sony TV, I can get the app for NHL live. And we watch some on it. In the basement we got the LG and I can go to the NHL live site, but I have not been able to get the app on the LG yet. But I can still watch it due to just going to the site. A little inconvenient, but it works. The LG is the 75” and I’d rather it there. We also have a Samsung in the bedroom, and I haven’t found out how to get it on there yet either, but I got Dysney+ on there so I’m guessing that can be done. LG is kinda hard to infiltrate. But I’ll find a way!!! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Nov 12, 2021 17:59:13 GMT -6
So it's 5 games this year that require Hulu. Next year probably 10, then... It will be like back in the 90's listening to games on the radio again. Sold my tickets are you telling me i cant watch game unless I have an upgraded HULU  |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 12, 2021 19:15:25 GMT -6
So it's 5 games this year that require Hulu. Next year probably 10, then... It will be like back in the 90's listening to games on the radio again. Sold my tickets are you telling me i cant watch game unless I have an upgraded HULU or espn+ my TV here says espn+ (I have hulu live at our new place here). |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 19, 2021 1:12:50 GMT -6
Seth Jones got his 300th point with his goal vs the Kraken.
It sucked giving up the pick that landed Sillinger but if the Hawks keep surging the pick the Jackets get next season won't be a 10 pick, and Jones is a big upgrade figuratively and literally over Boqvist.
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Post by vadarx on Nov 19, 2021 2:25:15 GMT -6
Seth Jones got his 300th point with his goal vs the Kraken. It sucked giving up the pick that landed Mctavish but if the Hawks keep surging the pick the Jackets get next season won't be a 10 pick, and Jones is a big upgrade figuratively and literally over Boqvist. Sillinger? I'd be even more pissed if we gave up McTavish for Jones! |
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