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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 28, 2022 20:23:52 GMT -6
why don't you join the boards? you seem like a sane and rational poster so i don't know how well you'll fit in but we're always looking for new blood here. : ) Just joined, thank you. right on. |
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Post by phill9 on Feb 28, 2022 20:31:07 GMT -6
Pretty clear why they're not hiring a president yet.....Davidson will be reporting to Bowman when he's allowed back by Bettman. Then the gang will be back together and the revolutionary new path can come to fruition
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Post by Nikos on Feb 28, 2022 20:47:17 GMT -6
Pretty clear why they're not hiring a president yet.....Davidson will be reporting to Bowman when he's allowed back by Bettman. Then the gang will be back together and the revolutionary new path can come to fruition What will be KD first major move when he is officially announced as GM? I emphasize major, do not count t trading De Haan for 3rd or 4th rd pick Is JT, Kaner and Jones still untouchables? Does he wait until the draft, FA? I personally do not trade Hagel unless the pick is top 10. D-cat only player who you would call a sniper on team right now. Can someone name anybody else? My opinion for first major move is MAF is dealt for 1st rd pick and you probably have to take back salary or retain. This is the type of player that can win a series or multiple. Do you really trust Kemper in you are the Avalanche, how about Anderson at Carolina? |
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Post by Nikos on Feb 28, 2022 20:50:48 GMT -6
Pretty clear why they're not hiring a president yet.....Davidson will be reporting to Bowman when he's allowed back by Bettman. Then the gang will be back together and the revolutionary new path can come to fruition What will be KD first major move when he is officially announced as GM? I emphasize major, do not count t trading De Haan for 3rd or 4th rd pick Is JT, Kaner and Jones still untouchables? Does he wait until the draft, FA? I personally do not trade Hagel unless the pick is top 10. D-cat only player who you would call a sniper on team right now. Can someone name anybody else? My opinion for first major move is MAF is dealt for 1st rd pick and you probably have to take back salary or retain. This is the type of player that can win a series or multiple. Do you really trust Kemper in you are the Avalanche, how about Anderson at Carolina? Sorry typo: Do you really trust Kemper if you are the Avalanche, how about Anderson at Carolina? |
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Post by phill9 on Feb 28, 2022 21:01:53 GMT -6
What will be KD first major move when he is officially announced as GM? I emphasize major, do not count t trading De Haan for 3rd or 4th rd pick Is JT, Kaner and Jones still untouchables? Does he wait until the draft, FA? I personally do not trade Hagel unless the pick is top 10. D-cat only player who you would call a sniper on team right now. Can someone name anybody else? My opinion for first major move is MAF is dealt for 1st rd pick and you probably have to take back salary or retain. This is the type of player that can win a series or multiple. Do you really trust Kemper in you are the Avalanche, how about Anderson at Carolina? Sorry typo: Do you really trust Kemper if you are the Avalanche, how about Anderson at Carolina? All trades made have to bring back draft picks. Rather then retaining salary, take on expiring contracts plus picks to fill the spots of players traded. Toews is untradeable at this point due to injuries, Kane would have to approve any trade. Size of Seth Jones contract likely makes him untradeable as well. Everyone else has to be available for the right deal. Hagel is so young he better bring back a top prospect and/or a pick. And Debrincat should garner multiple picks, including a 1st, along with a top prospect or 2. Anyone else likely gets 2nd or lower picks. |
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Post by Nikos on Feb 28, 2022 21:18:18 GMT -6
Sorry typo: Do you really trust Kemper if you are the Avalanche, how about Anderson at Carolina? All trades made have to bring back draft picks. Rather then retaining salary, take on expiring contracts plus picks to fill the spots of players traded. Toews is untradeable at this point due to injuries, Kane would have to approve any trade. Size of Seth Jones contract likely makes him untradeable as well. Everyone else has to be available for the right deal. Hagel is so young he better bring back a top prospect and/or a pick. And Debrincat should garner multiple picks, including a 1st, along with a top prospect or 2. Anyone else likely gets 2nd or lower picks. Kaner loves playing hockey and meaningful hockey so my thought he would approve. The bigger question is does KD even try to trade him or does Prince Daniel have final say even if it is a good value coming back (picks, prospects). I believe you are correct about JT and Jones. |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 28, 2022 21:27:59 GMT -6
Sorry typo: Do you really trust Kemper if you are the Avalanche, how about Anderson at Carolina? All trades made have to bring back draft picks. Rather then retaining salary, take on expiring contracts plus picks to fill the spots of players traded. Toews is untradeable at this point due to injuries, Kane would have to approve any trade. Size of Seth Jones contract likely makes him untradeable as well. Everyone else has to be available for the right deal. Hagel is so young he better bring back a top prospect and/or a pick. And Debrincat should garner multiple picks, including a 1st, along with a top prospect or 2. Anyone else likely gets 2nd or lower picks. I think they can get a first for Flower. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Feb 28, 2022 21:46:52 GMT -6
Well shit. Big T you called it from the begging. Definitely a yes man company man shit its about the only place he worked. All I can do now is hope lots of work to be done
The big dog and pony show just makes me feel dirty though
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 28, 2022 22:39:54 GMT -6
Well shit. Big T you called it from the begging. Definitely a yes man company man shit its about the only place he worked. All I can do now is hope lots of work to be done The big dog and pony show just makes me feel dirty though Hopefully he's wrong about Stan coming back. That would be a pr nightmare so I highly doubt Stan will work for the Hawks again. With the TDL less than a month away we'll soon see how he does with other GMs, will he get taken advantage of like his old boss or make smart moves and build up the farm and big club. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 28, 2022 22:58:57 GMT -6
Well shit. Big T you called it from the begging. Definitely a yes man company man shit its about the only place he worked. All I can do now is hope lots of work to be done The big dog and pony show just makes me feel dirty though Hopefully he's wrong about Stan coming back. That would be a pr nightmare so I highly doubt Stan will work for the Hawks again. With the TDL less than a month away we'll soon see how he does with other GMs, will he get taken advantage of like his old boss or make smart moves and build up the farm and big club. davidsons in a bad spot because he's inherited a proper shit show here. but being in the position he's in now, it's maybe a good thing for him as far as the TDL goes (seeing it's his first in the big chair). he's going to be dealing with fellow GMs possibly a bit desperate to want to add "that piece" before the playoffs whereas he doesn't really have to do anything if he doesn't want to. (NHL GMing for Dummies is a great read btw) so...it's going to be an interesting 21 days. i wish him luck, he's going to need some to get this thing pointed the right way. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 28, 2022 23:25:26 GMT -6
Hopefully he's wrong about Stan coming back. That would be a pr nightmare so I highly doubt Stan will work for the Hawks again. With the TDL less than a month away we'll soon see how he does with other GMs, will he get taken advantage of like his old boss or make smart moves and build up the farm and big club. davidsons in a bad spot because he's inherited a proper shit show here. but being in the position he's in now, it's maybe a good thing for him as far as the TDL goes (seeing it's his first in the big chair). he's going to be dealing with fellow GMs possibly a bit desperate to want to add "that piece" before the playoffs whereas he doesn't really have to do anything if he doesn't want to. (NHL GMing for Dummies is a great read btw) so...it's going to be an interesting 21 days. i wish him luck, he's going to need some to get this thing pointed the right way. Even when the old GM was in a position of strength he rarely took advantage of it, Davidson has to get better prospects and picks when selling to buyers, not getting guys in their 20's who haven't progressed much or late round picks. And hopefully he learned what not to do when signing players and don't start high. Hearing Paniks comment said a lot, first offer was far more than he expected, sign of a horrible GM. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 1, 2022 0:04:29 GMT -6
davidsons in a bad spot because he's inherited a proper shit show here. but being in the position he's in now, it's maybe a good thing for him as far as the TDL goes (seeing it's his first in the big chair). he's going to be dealing with fellow GMs possibly a bit desperate to want to add "that piece" before the playoffs whereas he doesn't really have to do anything if he doesn't want to. (NHL GMing for Dummies is a great read btw) so...it's going to be an interesting 21 days. i wish him luck, he's going to need some to get this thing pointed the right way. Even when the old GM was in a position of strength he rarely took advantage of it, Davidson has to get better prospects and picks when selling to buyers, not getting guys in their 20's who haven't progressed much or late round picks. And hopefully he learned what not to do when signing players and don't start high. Hearing Paniks comment said a lot, first offer was far more than he expected, sign of a horrible GM. ...and the sign of a player that talks too much. : D Like i said...if KD has learned first hand from mistakes he's witnessed (or been a part of), we'll have a good one. Personally i learn more from a kick in the ass with a frozen boot (often) than a heartfelt pat on the back (rarely). The fuckups seem to stay with you a lot longer. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 1, 2022 0:40:08 GMT -6
I guess this is the easiest way to get Kane, Toews and Fleury to accept a trade in the coming weeks so they can get the rebuild started. That's possible. But i would think hoss and sharpie and even edzo would still be well enough connected to the players where they might tell management that the players weren't behind the move. Unless that was the whole idea but personally i doubt it. Just spitballing here... Anyways...a new era has begun. At minimum, it can't be worse than the last half a dozen years. |
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Post by Tater on Mar 1, 2022 1:21:57 GMT -6
Anyways...a new era has begun. At minimum, it can't be worse than the last half a dozen years. Hopefully. What a waste of time the interview circus was. It would be hard to believe the 3 ex-players that were consulted didn't recommend a hockey guy. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 1, 2022 1:26:41 GMT -6
Anyways...a new era has begun. At minimum, it can't be worse than the last half a dozen years. Hopefully. What a waste of time the interview circus was. It would be hard to believe the 3 ex-players that were consulted didn't recommend a hockey guy. Lots of non hockey g.m.s and coaches out there that have had recent (and past) success. I'd prefer a hockey guy myself but this is our guy now. It is what it is. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Mar 1, 2022 2:02:12 GMT -6
Hopefully. What a waste of time the interview circus was. It would be hard to believe the 3 ex-players that were consulted didn't recommend a hockey guy. Lots of non hockey g.m.s and coaches out there that have had recent (and past) success. I'd prefer a hockey guy myself but this is our guy now. It is what it is. At least we don't have Peter Chirelli as a GM, it could be worse. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 1, 2022 2:07:33 GMT -6
Lots of non hockey g.m.s and coaches out there that have had recent (and past) success. I'd prefer a hockey guy myself but this is our guy now. It is what it is. At least we don't have Peter Chirelli as a GM, it could be worse. Could be the reason he was interviewed. Fans can all say "well, at least it wasn't chiarelli". : ) Smart move. |
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Post by Tater on Mar 1, 2022 2:38:04 GMT -6
Lots of non hockey g.m.s and coaches out there that have had recent (and past) success. I'd prefer a hockey guy myself but this is our guy now. It is what it is. Yeah, but he has the stench of Stan on him. |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 1, 2022 2:40:17 GMT -6
Lots of non hockey g.m.s and coaches out there that have had recent (and past) success. I'd prefer a hockey guy myself but this is our guy now. It is what it is. Yeah, but he has the stench of Stan on him. honestly, this is part of the reason it surprised me they went with him. considering all that's gone on, you'd think they'd want to move on from anyone associated with the previous regime... at the same time, he is far and away the cheapest option and there be settlements to pay, with more potentially on the horizon... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 1, 2022 2:52:27 GMT -6
Yeah, but he has the stench of Stan on him. at the same time, he is far and away the cheapest option and there be settlements to pay, with more potentially on the horizon... i keep hearing here (and there) about the $$ associated with coaches and g.m.s. do you really think there's an owner out there that wouldn't spend more than a reasonable amount on a good coach or g.m.? thinking you'd be saving money long term on a dollar store coach/g.m. would be just dumb. hell...i haven't researched it but i'd bet there's a few back up goalies making more than a lot of coaches/g.m.s these days. it's hard to find salaries of coaches/g.m.s but it would be interesting to find out. maybe i'm under-valuing here. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 1, 2022 2:56:47 GMT -6
Yeah, but he has the stench of Stan on him. honestly, this is part of the reason it surprised me they went with him. considering all that's gone on, you'd think they'd want to move on from anyone associated with the previous regime... can't argue with that. the press conference in a day or 2 will be interesting. hopefully rocky is gagged and bound somewhere. |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 1, 2022 4:47:04 GMT -6
at the same time, he is far and away the cheapest option and there be settlements to pay, with more potentially on the horizon... i keep hearing here (and there) about the $$ associated with coaches and g.m.s. do you really think there's an owner out there that wouldn't spend more than a reasonable amount on a good coach or g.m.? thinking you'd be saving money long term on a dollar store coach/g.m. would be just dumb. hell...i haven't researched it but i'd bet there's a few back up goalies making more than a lot of coaches/g.m.s these days. it's hard to find salaries of coaches/g.m.s but it would be interesting to find out. maybe i'm under-valuing here. yes. yes, I do. and the name is Wirtz. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 1, 2022 5:01:00 GMT -6
i keep hearing here (and there) about the $$ associated with coaches and g.m.s. do you really think there's an owner out there that wouldn't spend more than a reasonable amount on a good coach or g.m.? thinking you'd be saving money long term on a dollar store coach/g.m. would be just dumb. hell...i haven't researched it but i'd bet there's a few back up goalies making more than a lot of coaches/g.m.s these days. it's hard to find salaries of coaches/g.m.s but it would be interesting to find out. maybe i'm under-valuing here. yes. yes, I do. and the name is Wirtz. really? i don't know man. you don't win 3 cups by luck, or being that dumb, unless he's just recently became dumb. what i've seen lately that could be a possibility, actually. |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 1, 2022 6:20:23 GMT -6
yes. yes, I do. and the name is Wirtz. really? i don't know man. you don't win 3 cups by luck, or being that dumb, unless he's just recently became dumb. what i've seen lately that could be a possibility, actually. Rocky had nada to do with those 3 Cups, other than funding the team and allowing them to spend to the max during The Run. so, in a way, he kinda did win them by luck, the team's core was assembled before he even arrived on the scene. lest we forget how his father was. and his grandfather. he is a business man and right now business isn't great. attendance is sagging. which means less tickets sold, less concessions sold, and less merchandise sold. on top of that, there is the black cloud of the scandal hanging overhead, with 2 settlements to pay and likely more to come, unless he really wants to try and fight those in the public eye (highly doubtful). so, being a business man, I'm sure the thought process now isn't spend to the max like before. it's going to be cut costs whenever possible. while a GM likely doesn't cost too much, it is still saving dollars and cents. of course, there is the idea that you have to spend money to make money. pay for the best and brightest and hope they bring the glory back quicker, which in turn fills the coffers quicker... but he and his family have never seemed to keen on that idea, in my opinion. so, with the idea that a rebuild will take a while, it is time to start cutting costs... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 1, 2022 6:46:41 GMT -6
really? i don't know man. you don't win 3 cups by luck, or being that dumb, unless he's just recently became dumb. what i've seen lately that could be a possibility, actually. Rocky had nada to do with those 3 Cups, other than funding the team and allowing them to spend to the max during The Run. so, in a way, he kinda did win them by luck, the team's core was assembled before he even arrived on the scene. lest we forget how his father was. and his grandfather. he is a business man and right now business isn't great. attendance is sagging. which means less tickets sold, less concessions sold, and less merchandise sold. on top of that, there is the black cloud of the scandal hanging overhead, with 2 settlements to pay and likely more to come, unless he really wants to try and fight those in the public eye (highly doubtful). so, being a business man, I'm sure the thought process now isn't spend to the max like before. it's going to be cut costs whenever possible. while a GM likely doesn't cost too much, it is still saving dollars and cents. of course, there is the idea that you have to spend money to make money. pay for the best and brightest and hope they bring the glory back quicker, which in turn fills the coffers quicker... but he and his family have never seemed to keen on that idea, in my opinion. so, with the idea that a rebuild will take a while, it is time to start cutting costs... well explained. cheers. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 1, 2022 6:52:05 GMT -6
really? i don't know man. you don't win 3 cups by luck, or being that dumb, unless he's just recently became dumb. what i've seen lately that could be a possibility, actually. . so, in a way, he kinda did win them by luck, the team's core was assembled before he even arrived on the scene. lest we forget how his father was. and his grandfather. he is a business man and right now business isn't great. attendance is sagging. which means less tickets sold, less concessions sold, and less merchandise sold. on top of that, there is the black cloud of the scandal hanging overhead, with 2 settlements to pay and likely more to come, unless he really wants to try and fight those in the public eye (highly doubtful). so, being a business man, I'm sure the thought process now isn't spend to the max like before. it's going to be cut costs whenever possible. while a GM likely doesn't cost too much, it is still saving dollars and cents. of course, there is the idea that you have to spend money to make money. pay for the best and brightest and hope they bring the glory back quicker, which in turn fills the coffers quicker... but he and his family have never seemed to keen on that idea, in my opinion. so, with the idea that a rebuild will take a while, it is time to start cutting costs... Isn't that just about every owner in sports? The owners like, Jerry Jones, who think they are GM's win nothing. |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 1, 2022 7:14:27 GMT -6
Rocky had nada to do with those 3 Cups, other than funding the team and allowing them to spend to the max during The Run. so, in a way, he kinda did win them by luck, the team's core was assembled before he even arrived on the scene. lest we forget how his father was. and his grandfather. he is a business man and right now business isn't great. attendance is sagging. which means less tickets sold, less concessions sold, and less merchandise sold. on top of that, there is the black cloud of the scandal hanging overhead, with 2 settlements to pay and likely more to come, unless he really wants to try and fight those in the public eye (highly doubtful). so, being a business man, I'm sure the thought process now isn't spend to the max like before. it's going to be cut costs whenever possible. while a GM likely doesn't cost too much, it is still saving dollars and cents. of course, there is the idea that you have to spend money to make money. pay for the best and brightest and hope they bring the glory back quicker, which in turn fills the coffers quicker... but he and his family have never seemed to keen on that idea, in my opinion. so, with the idea that a rebuild will take a while, it is time to start cutting costs... Isn't that just about every owner in sports? The owners like, Jerry Jones, who think they are GM's win nothing. o yeah, for sure we don't need someone too hands-on. we need someone smart enough to hire someone to run the show and get out of the way, then that person needs to be smart enough to then hire a GM who knows what they are doing. instead, The Family knows best and everything will run through them... |
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Mar 1, 2022 7:44:54 GMT -6
On the other side of things, those that were interviewed, might not have been offered enough to take the position, We, well I, don't know what the salary offer was, it was a pretty big mess to deal with, maybe others were already making,or possibly had better paths to go down, financially speaking, just a thought, I certainly don't know, but He might be the only option that was happy with the pay
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 1, 2022 8:04:19 GMT -6
why don't you join the boards? you seem like a sane and rational poster so i don't know how well you'll fit in but we're always looking for new blood here. : ) Just joined, thank you. Welcome to your Blackhawks forum. Have fun with our silly banter and occasional insight that we have. |
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Post by Nikos on Mar 1, 2022 8:34:51 GMT -6
Welcome to your Blackhawks forum. Have fun with our silly banter and occasional insight that we have. Thanks T-man, I have enjoyed reading all the commentary and banter, some pretty passionate fellas here. |
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