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Post by vadarx on Feb 3, 2022 18:40:12 GMT -6
no thank you. I'd rather Davidson. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 3, 2022 18:46:18 GMT -6
no thank you. I'd rather Davidson. ditto. curious what our brothers in edmonton think? |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 3, 2022 19:35:11 GMT -6
no thank you. I'd rather Davidson. ditto. curious what our brothers in edmonton think? Big no from me and I'm sure most of Edmonton would agree. I'd rather Davidson as well, that's saying a lot. Hunter, preferably Mark is what most of us would want first, but even his niece would be preferred over the other two. Or maybe Hossa, Sharp, and Eddie are candidates, they'd have to find a loophole with Hoss if I'm not mistaken, but I envisioned him as the GM one day with Toews as the coach, hopefully he can make it another 4-7yrs. Seabs can coach the D one day 👍 Hoss has a great life back home but would being a GM of an original 6 team he had 3 Cups with entice him over? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 3, 2022 20:16:46 GMT -6
updated damage control from rocky and danny. rocky: "First of all, I acknowledge that I was not asked this question, and if I could do it over again, I would let Danny share the incredible work he, Jaime and our staff have done to improve our culture and team.
However, what I would also say if given another opportunity is that the first step is putting the right people in place. Danny and Jaime have spent the past year understanding how this happened and where it is happening – not just in our locker rooms but in youth locker rooms as well. And they are fully empowered to put the right things in place not just at the Chicago Blackhawks, but also at the Rockford IceHogs and Fifth Third Arena.
Again, I regret the outburst. I suddenly felt incredibly frustrated as I perceived we were looking back instead of looking forward."
danny: "Hockey culture is set by the culture we have as an organization. It’s determined by the choices we make, the actions we take every single day at the Blackhawks. Hiring people with the right values. Building a more inclusive workplace. Doing the right thing at all times even when it isn’t easy.
We are going to support and participate in the initiatives that come from the NHL, which will absolutely help our game progress, but we have also put our own programs, policies and trainings in place. For example, we have built a whole mental health department available to both players and employees, are currently in the process of launching an employee-led committee focused on aspects of culture, and have implemented mechanisms to ensure any reports of non-compliance are investigated immediately.
There is no finish line to this work. And Rocky and I are united that we will learn from the mistakes in this organization’s past and do the things that move our sport forward."www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-danny-and-rocky-wirtz-release-updated-statementsthe next newly updated statements are expected this time tomorrow. : ) |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 3, 2022 21:34:51 GMT -6
I'll try to get back to the topic of this thread------the next GM and President. While important positions to fill, success won't be necessarily guaranteed, even if filled well. Look at the Red Wings, who have decent guys at GM and Prez. They are currently in their 6th straight year of sucking. The Hawks will go long beyond 6 years before their sucking count ends. Didn't Stevie Y just get there 2 years ago? It was Kenny Holland that ran the Wings into the ground since they left the Western conf. They got Stevie to return home and rebuild the Wings like he did the Bolts. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 3, 2022 21:40:24 GMT -6
ditto. curious what our brothers in edmonton think? Big no from me and I'm sure most of Edmonton would agree. I'd rather Davidson as well, that's saying a lot. Hunter, preferably Mark is what most of us would want first, but even his niece would be preferred over the other two. Or maybe Hossa, Sharp, and Eddie are candidates, they'd have to find a loophole with Hoss if I'm not mistaken, but I envisioned him as the GM one day with Toews as the coach, hopefully he can make it another 4-7yrs. Seabs can coach the D one day 👍 Hoss has a great life back home but would being a GM of an original 6 team he had 3 Cups with entice him over? I don't think Hoss wants anymore of city life and travel any longer. He's back home in his country with his family. Seabs may one day want to, but I think he would do local Vancouver area kids league. Again family reasons. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 3, 2022 21:47:02 GMT -6
There never is a guarantee. As a fan thought I expect steps forward with a realistic goal in mind. If the 'hawks are going to go through a number of bad years while they try to rebuild things up from essentially scratch, but the big goal is trying to get those pieces to build another contender, I'm okay with it. What I'm not okay with is the stagnation that has been happening since ~2018, if not ~2016 for trying to put one more team together for the cup-winning core when said core was no longer good enough to drive a team to within reach of a cup. As long as the new brass fully embraces trying to move to the next era of the 'hawks rather than trying to drag the previous era along, I'm okay with it even if it's not 100% successful. There are 31 other teams trying to do the same thing and not all of them get lucky. Yes, that was a big mistake. I don't know if Toews/Kane would have been willing to be traded since 2018, but my guess is that the idea was never discussed because Bowman always thought he was smart enough to put a Cup team together using those two guys and whoever else he could obtain (Fleury, Jones). But, by doing that, he blew the chance to rebuild team and approach success by another method. Now, in my opinion, they are stuck in no man's land with no transmission of their SOS signals and little chance of getting out of their hole for a long time. There are just too many moves that have to go just right to accomplish that and the odds are very long against that happening. Honestly it's not so much about moving Toews and Kane proper, but making sure that they are not the go-to guys. It's been an issue with Kane and was even a bigger issue with Keith. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 3, 2022 22:02:51 GMT -6
re: toews as coach and hossa as g.m.
just because someone was a great player, it doesn't mean they're great at everything. : )
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 3, 2022 23:12:17 GMT -6
re: toews as coach and hossa as g.m. just because someone was a great player, it doesn't mean they're great at everything. : ) I read somewhere that Q thought Hossa would make an excellent coach because he really thinks the game from a fundamental level and does all of the little things that a lot of überstars don't. Plus, Gretzky always felt like the type of player whop just oozed unabated talent and relied on that through his entire career. Kinda like Kane. That doesn't translate well to coaching. |
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Post by Tater on Feb 4, 2022 1:35:14 GMT -6
Or maybe Hossa, Sharp, and Eddie are candidates, they'd have to find a loophole with Hoss if I'm not mistaken, but I envisioned him as the GM one day with Toews as the coach, hopefully he can make it another 4-7yrs. Seabs can coach the D one day 👍Hoss has a great life back home but would being a GM of an original 6 team he had 3 Cups with entice him over? Oh man, don't get my hopes up like this!
Doubtful to happen I know, but a man can dream.
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Post by vadarx on Feb 4, 2022 4:07:58 GMT -6
I'll try to get back to the topic of this thread------the next GM and President. While important positions to fill, success won't be necessarily guaranteed, even if filled well. Look at the Red Wings, who have decent guys at GM and Prez. They are currently in their 6th straight year of sucking. The Hawks will go long beyond 6 years before their sucking count ends. Didn't Stevie Y just get there 2 years ago? It was Kenny Holland that ran the Wings into the ground since they left the Western conf. They got Stevie to return home and rebuild the Wings like he did the Bolts. yep, started there in 2019. Holland was very Bowman-esqe in his inability to rebuild a team, constantly adding older players on contracts that were way to long and expensive. |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 4, 2022 4:11:42 GMT -6
Big no from me and I'm sure most of Edmonton would agree. I'd rather Davidson as well, that's saying a lot. Hunter, preferably Mark is what most of us would want first, but even his niece would be preferred over the other two. Or maybe Hossa, Sharp, and Eddie are candidates, they'd have to find a loophole with Hoss if I'm not mistaken, but I envisioned him as the GM one day with Toews as the coach, hopefully he can make it another 4-7yrs. Seabs can coach the D one day 👍 Hoss has a great life back home but would being a GM of an original 6 team he had 3 Cups with entice him over? I don't think Hoss wants anymore of city life and travel any longer. He's back home in his country with his family. Seabs may one day want to, but I think he would do local Vancouver area kids league. Again family reasons. yeah, I agree. I highly doubt Hoss wants to deal with any of the crap he would have to deal with in Chicago when he can stay in his home country with his family and coach or run a team there should he get the itch. Toews is probably the most likely to get into coaching, imo. gonna have to wait a while before he can help out in Chicago... |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 4, 2022 4:27:01 GMT -6
Or maybe Hossa, Sharp, and Eddie are candidates, they'd have to find a loophole with Hoss if I'm not mistaken, but I envisioned him as the GM one day with Toews as the coach, hopefully he can make it another 4-7yrs. Seabs can coach the D one day 👍Hoss has a great life back home but would being a GM of an original 6 team he had 3 Cups with entice him over? Oh man, don't get my hopes up like this!
Doubtful to happen I know, but a man can dream.
That's all it is, dreaming lol but it's nice that Hoss is coming back to Chicago to oversee the GM process, that's a good sign. But he's living like a king in Slovakia. As for Toews and Seabs, I can totally see it, they're natural leaders and who better to lead than two guys who battled hard for Cups and Gold together. It was mentioned that Seabs might wanna stay in BC with family and coach his kids but when Toews retires, hopefully not for a while, he might be ready to get back in the NHL. |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 4, 2022 5:46:44 GMT -6
I'd say after Rockwell's dumbassary the other night that they should be looking for a new CEO as well to replace Danny. the only way they will save face now is if Rocky steps down and makes Danny the Chairman and CEO effective immediately.
I got a dime for anyone here that wants to bet on that happening any time soon...
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Post by hsbob on Feb 4, 2022 7:57:05 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Feb 4, 2022 7:58:26 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Feb 4, 2022 8:04:13 GMT -6
posted a similar article in another thread. no surprise there are now more people getting in line to sue. after Rocky's display the other night, it isn't too hard to see how the "culture" was established. somehow I doubt those on stage with him were a stranger to his outbursts... really showed his true colors... at least now more people are calling him out on the bullshit "i didn't know" line... |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 4, 2022 8:15:05 GMT -6
I'll try to get back to the topic of this thread------the next GM and President. While important positions to fill, success won't be necessarily guaranteed, even if filled well. Look at the Red Wings, who have decent guys at GM and Prez. They are currently in their 6th straight year of sucking. The Hawks will go long beyond 6 years before their sucking count ends. There never is a guarantee. As a fan thought I expect steps forward with a realistic goal in mind. If the 'hawks are going to go through a number of bad years while they try to rebuild things up from essentially scratch, but the big goal is trying to get those pieces to build another contender, I'm okay with it. What I'm not okay with is the stagnation that has been happening since ~2018, if not ~2016 for trying to put one more team together for the cup-winning core when said core was no longer good enough to drive a team to within reach of a cup. As long as the new brass fully embraces trying to move to the next era of the 'hawks rather than trying to drag the previous era along, I'm okay with it even if it's not 100% successful. There are 31 other teams trying to do the same thing and not all of them get lucky. Sure the team should have been rebuilding for 2-3 years now but are you saying the team would be a contender again if they would only have dumped Kane and Toews 5-6 yeaes ago? You'll be "okay" if the team isn't 100% successful(LOFL) just as long as they move on from the old era.......you might have to suffer another year of Kane and Toews.....hope you can endure. By "dragging the previous era along",you have to mean Kane and Toews because they're the last two left.......who else could you mean? Kane and Toews both had their best seasons ever.....'2018-2019' 44/110 35/81 and D-cat had 41/76,even Keith had 40pts and was +13 but the team finished two over because the REST of the team SUCKED and the REST of the team has SUCKED ever since. Kane and Toews were still "good enough to drive a team within reach of a cup" in 18-19 with career numbers but the REST of the team SUCKED with the exception of D-Cat......Keith and Seabs had 69pts combined too. I'm sure the 21M will be utilized so much better and two even greater players will replace our two old stagnant players but if the rest of the team sucks it won't matter. What I'M not okay with is a team that'll SUCK for the next decade but at least 19&88 will be gone. Which two UFA's that can be signed for 21M next summer would make the team an instant contender if we were LUCKY enough to dump Kane and Toews? |
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Post by tincup on Feb 4, 2022 9:37:34 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 4, 2022 10:39:21 GMT -6
Those are great reasons to stay away from him. In Boston the core was already there, like when Bowman took over, same with the Oilers minus McDavid but like the article said, he fell in their laps so he can't take credit for that. With his contracts and trades he'll only hurt the franchise even more. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Feb 4, 2022 12:53:58 GMT -6
I'll try to get back to the topic of this thread------the next GM and President. While important positions to fill, success won't be necessarily guaranteed, even if filled well. Look at the Red Wings, who have decent guys at GM and Prez. They are currently in their 6th straight year of sucking. The Hawks will go long beyond 6 years before their sucking count ends. Didn't Stevie Y just get there 2 years ago? It was Kenny Holland that ran the Wings into the ground since they left the Western conf. They got Stevie to return home and rebuild the Wings like he did the Bolts. Valid point you raise, but didn't this rebuilding Wing team just give up 8 goals to the anemic Blackhawk offense. To me, that means there is a long, long way to go, if they are even on the road to relevancy. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Feb 4, 2022 13:06:28 GMT -6
There never is a guarantee. As a fan thought I expect steps forward with a realistic goal in mind. If the 'hawks are going to go through a number of bad years while they try to rebuild things up from essentially scratch, but the big goal is trying to get those pieces to build another contender, I'm okay with it. What I'm not okay with is the stagnation that has been happening since ~2018, if not ~2016 for trying to put one more team together for the cup-winning core when said core was no longer good enough to drive a team to within reach of a cup. As long as the new brass fully embraces trying to move to the next era of the 'hawks rather than trying to drag the previous era along, I'm okay with it even if it's not 100% successful. There are 31 other teams trying to do the same thing and not all of them get lucky. Sure the team should have been rebuilding for 2-3 years now but are you saying the team would be a contender again if they would only have dumped Kane and Toews 5-6 yeaes ago? You'll be "okay" if the team isn't 100% successful(LOFL) just as long as they move on from the old era.......you might have to suffer another year of Kane and Toews.....hope you can endure. By "dragging the previous era along",you have to mean Kane and Toews because they're the last two left.......who else could you mean? Kane and Toews both had their best seasons ever.....'2018-2019' 44/110 35/81 and D-cat had 41/76,even Keith had 40pts and was +13 but the team finished two over because the REST of the team SUCKED and the REST of the team has SUCKED ever since. Kane and Toews were still "good enough to drive a team within reach of a cup" in 18-19 with career numbers but the REST of the team SUCKED with the exception of D-Cat......Keith and Seabs had 69pts combined too. I'm sure the 21M will be utilized so much better and two even greater players will replace our two old stagnant players but if the rest of the team sucks it won't matter. What I'M not okay with is a team that'll SUCK for the next decade but at least 19&88 will be gone. Which two UFA's that can be signed for 21M next summer would make the team an instant contender if we were LUCKY enough to dump Kane and Toews? Let's say they trade K&T for McDavid and Draisaitl to give the Hawks the best trade off for K&T, even tho, I know this is not a realistic scenario. This would still be a trash team, which underscores the point that K&T alone were not going to save this team because it is too undermanned at the rest of the positions needed to make a contending team, So, what does that mean? To me, it means that since they were not going to be relevant with K&T, the rebuild needed to start asap and that meant trying to get what they could get for those guys to make a team as best as possible without them. That is not to knock K&T. That is simply to acknowledge that K&T were not going to lead an undermanned team to contention because it takes more than two to tango in the NHL. The alternative to trading them off a couple/few years ago is just what you see today----a garbage imitation of a real team. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 4, 2022 13:48:54 GMT -6
Didn't Stevie Y just get there 2 years ago? It was Kenny Holland that ran the Wings into the ground since they left the Western conf. They got Stevie to return home and rebuild the Wings like he did the Bolts. Valid point you raise, but didn't this rebuilding Wing team just give up 8 goals to the anemic Blackhawk offense. To me, that means there is a long, long way to go, if they are even on the road to relevancy. They are in the 2nd year of the rebuild. Stevie spent 9 years as GM and the last 2 as Senior adviser to the GM of the Bolts. 11 seasons altogether. From 2010 to 2018 as GM and 2 as Adviser, 2018-2019. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 4, 2022 14:59:19 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Feb 4, 2022 15:49:04 GMT -6
I’m thinking someone like Mellanby would be acceptable. That Carolina assistant GM could also be good for the team. How eager would the Canes be to let him go mid season? I’m sure there’ll be a few more decent candidates popping up. At least now were hearing about guys getting interviews. Whereas it was all crickets a while back. So it’s good to hear!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 4, 2022 16:03:13 GMT -6
I’m thinking someone like Mellanby would be acceptable. That Carolina assistant GM could also be good for the team. How eager would the Canes be to let him go mid season? I’m sure there’ll be a few more decent candidates popping up. At least now were hearing about guys getting interviews. Whereas it was all crickets a while back. So it’s good to hear!!! I'm sure they had to get permission to interview people from other teams first. If that other team goes deep into the PO's, the Hawks may have to wait till that team is eliminated. Which then would give him less time to get ready for the draft. I'm sure the guy already knows the other exec's in the league so that shouldn't be an issue for trades. But he'll need to get his staff together make decisions for coach changes, evaluate the roster and do what he's got to do. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 4, 2022 16:22:40 GMT -6
that tulsky guy from carolina would be a bold pick imo. according to his linkedin page, this is only his 8th year in hockey. the guy's a freaking harvard/berkely trained scientist. idk how you get from "Synthesis of novel colloidal nanoparticles" and "Nanoscience project leader for single molecule DNA sequencing program" to being gainfully employed in the hockey world but there is a path, obviously. it seems an analytic guy like him would be better suited in an assistant or advisory role. i am a big fan of analytics, though. i read about this guy and i immediately think of the character jonah hill played in "moneyball". edit: i tried to post his linkedin page, but it's not showing. it's an easy enough google search if you are interested. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Feb 4, 2022 16:49:06 GMT -6
that tulsky guy from carolina would be a bold pick imo. according to his linkedin page, this is only his 8th year in hockey. the guy's a freaking harvard/berkely trained scientist. idk how you get from "Synthesis of novel colloidal nanoparticles" and "Nanoscience project leader for single molecule DNA sequencing program" to being gainfully employed in the hockey world but there is a path, obviously. it seems an analytic guy like him would be better suited in an assistant or advisory role. i am a big fan of analytics, though. i read about this guy and i immediately think of the character jonah hill played in " moneyball". edit: i tried to post his linkedin page, but it's not showing. it's an easy enough google search if you are interested. It's a very good movie and I think about it occasionally in relation to hockey. However, baseball is really not that much of a team sport. It's much more heavily tilted towards the individual's analytics. I don't know whether you can translate this into hockey. On the other hand, maybe he can DNA sequence a few top line players for the Hawks. Drafting is so last millenium! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 4, 2022 16:55:07 GMT -6
that tulsky guy from carolina would be a bold pick imo. according to his linkedin page, this is only his 8th year in hockey. the guy's a freaking harvard/berkely trained scientist. idk how you get from "Synthesis of novel colloidal nanoparticles" and "Nanoscience project leader for single molecule DNA sequencing program" to being gainfully employed in the hockey world but there is a path, obviously. it seems an analytic guy like him would be better suited in an assistant or advisory role. i am a big fan of analytics, though. i read about this guy and i immediately think of the character jonah hill played in " moneyball". edit: i tried to post his linkedin page, but it's not showing. it's an easy enough google search if you are interested. On the other hand, maybe he can DNA sequence a few top line players for the Hawks. Drafting is so last millenium! good one! |
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Post by phill9 on Feb 4, 2022 17:23:18 GMT -6
Bettman excuses Wirtz? NHL commissioner Gary Bettman on Friday defended the comments made earlier this week by Chicago Blackhawks owner and chairman Rocky Wirtz on his organization's response to the Kyle Beach scandal. Wirtz gave a confrontational answer to a reporter who asked about how the Blackhawks planned to avoid power imbalances in the future on Wednesday, calling the question 'out of line.' In an appearance Friday on The Point, Bettman spoke for the first time about Wirtz's angry response to questions about Beach. "What we saw from Rocky was frustration," Bettman said. "[It was] an emotional -- I think most media are calling it an outburst -- and the most unfortunate thing about it is, it's completely inconsistent with all the work that the Blackhawks are doing. A lot of personnel have left. [President of Business Operations] Jaime Faulkner and [CEO] Danny Wirtz are really running things day-to-day. They are bringing in a wellness department, they're having training, there's counselling, they know they have to do everything right to create an environment that has an open, welcoming and safe culture. And that's what they're working on. So I just think it was an emotional moment born out of something that I know has weighed very heavily on Rocky and I think [at] the town hall and what he was really focused on was, how do we take all these things we're doing to move forward? And I just think this was just pent-up frustration. And he apologized promptly." es.pn/3Gsgfy7 |
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