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Post by Nikos on Nov 2, 2022 10:17:02 GMT -6
Still does not excuse why Beaudin more than Barratt did not pan out here.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 2, 2022 11:03:27 GMT -6
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 3, 2022 15:23:47 GMT -6
Still does not excuse why Beaudin more than Barratt did not pan out here. My $0.02: The regime changed last season and with the way it did, I consider last season a throwaway year with respect to KD and his plan. Sure, some moves last year paid dividends, but all-in-all it was a transition from Bowman to KD, and not an absolute "thus begin the KD era". I consider that this season. My eye-test looks like Stan wanted to have more of a run-and-gun puck-possession type of gameplan, while KD/LR's is more of a physical/chippy type of gameplan. Beaudin I believe was drafted to be more of the former and less of the latter. Maybe he just couldn't put it together, and like the tweet states; KD did him a solid by moving him to a place he might be able to shine. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 4, 2022 11:03:31 GMT -6
Still does not excuse why Beaudin more than Barratt did not pan out here. My $0.02: The regime changed last season and with the way it did, I consider last season a throwaway year with respect to KD and his plan. Sure, some moves last year paid dividends, but all-in-all it was a transition from Bowman to KD, and not an absolute "thus begin the KD era". I consider that this season. My eye-test looks like Stan wanted to have more of a run-and-gun puck-possession type of gameplan, while KD/LR's is more of a physical/chippy type of gameplan. Beaudin I believe was drafted to be more of the former and less of the latter. Maybe he just couldn't put it together, and like the tweet states; KD did him a solid by moving him to a place he might be able to shine. Giving him an actual shot might have done him and the team a bigger solid but adding a 30 and a 35yro D-man was on the rebuilding team's horizon this year for some reason. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 4, 2022 15:59:37 GMT -6
Ian Mitchell is back this week. He is one of two remaining small, skilled puck-moving defenceman from the Bowman era.
Clendening never really made it despite the hype. Bowman gave away Jokiharju. Boqvist was part of the Jones package. Beaudin lost his opportunity following the regime change.
Galvas might turn out to be the best of the group. But he might not make it either.
To my mind, defencemen who lack reach and weight face an enormous uphill battle. Fortunately, Bowman is no longer around to tell us size makes no difference. Personally, I love watching Tinordi's kid intimidate forwards and keep them to the outside.
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 4, 2022 19:42:11 GMT -6
My $0.02: The regime changed last season and with the way it did, I consider last season a throwaway year with respect to KD and his plan. Sure, some moves last year paid dividends, but all-in-all it was a transition from Bowman to KD, and not an absolute "thus begin the KD era". I consider that this season. My eye-test looks like Stan wanted to have more of a run-and-gun puck-possession type of gameplan, while KD/LR's is more of a physical/chippy type of gameplan. Beaudin I believe was drafted to be more of the former and less of the latter. Maybe he just couldn't put it together, and like the tweet states; KD did him a solid by moving him to a place he might be able to shine. Giving him an actual shot might have done him and the team a bigger solid but adding a 30 and a 35yro D-man was on the rebuilding team's horizon this year for some reason. Ehh, I think it might have been better for him to get out from this organization; Mitchell too. My opinion only. the 30/35 year old d-men don't have to worry about being developed right or having the right mentors around. |
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Post by steamer on Nov 5, 2022 1:22:48 GMT -6
IMO KD is doing a good job trying to thread the needle between “tanking” and having a competitive team. As many have posted, at all levels of hockey from pond hockey to the NHL, once you’re on the ice you want your team to win and you want to contribute to the effort. Hawks don’t have much depth and that should become apparent as the season wears on. Doubt they will finish above Calgary, Nashville and Pittsburgh when all is said and done.
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Post by BigT on Nov 5, 2022 5:40:18 GMT -6
Ian Mitchell is back this week. He is one of two remaining small, skilled puck-moving defenceman from the Bowman era. Clendening never really made it despite the hype. Bowman gave away Jokiharju. Boqvist was part of the Jones package. Beaudin lost his opportunity following the regime change. Galvas might turn out to be the best of the group. But he might not make it either. To my mind, defencemen who lack reach and weight face an enormous uphill battle. Fortunately, Bowman is no longer around to tell us size makes no difference. Personally, I love watching Tinordi's kid intimidate forwards and keep them to the outside. I agree with everything except you keep saying the last assholes name. I think we should retire that name for ever. It’s clear as it can be that he was a fraud. His stink is almost gone. Seeing his name is too hard on the mind and spirit. But I agree with everything else!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 5, 2022 6:00:00 GMT -6
Ian Mitchell is back this week. He is one of two remaining small, skilled puck-moving defenceman from the Bowman era. Clendening never really made it despite the hype. Bowman gave away Jokiharju. Boqvist was part of the Jones package. Beaudin lost his opportunity following the regime change. Galvas might turn out to be the best of the group. But he might not make it either. To my mind, defencemen who lack reach and weight face an enormous uphill battle. Fortunately, Bowman is no longer around to tell us size makes no difference. Personally, I love watching Tinordi's kid intimidate forwards and keep them to the outside. I agree with everything except you keep saying the last assholes name. I think we should retire that name for ever. It’s clear as it can be that he was a fraud. His stink is almost gone. Seeing his name is too hard on the mind and spirit. But I agree with everything else!!! really? nobody brings him up more than you mate. for the most part, i think we would all agree here it's time to move on. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 5, 2022 9:57:50 GMT -6
I agree with everything except you keep saying the last assholes name. I think we should retire that name for ever. It’s clear as it can be that he was a fraud. His stink is almost gone. Seeing his name is too hard on the mind and spirit. But I agree with everything else!!! really? nobody brings him up more than you mate. for the most part, i think we would all agree here it's time to move on. I’ve brought up the guy maybe 2-3 times over that last 6 months. And I was just jumping in a conversation. Before? Yes I did. Now? Nope!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 5, 2022 10:07:51 GMT -6
Giving him an actual shot might have done him and the team a bigger solid but adding a 30 and a 35yro D-man was on the rebuilding team's horizon this year for some reason. Ehh, I think it might have been better for him to get out from this organization; Mitchell too. My opinion only. the 30/35 year old d-men don't have to worry about being developed right or having the right mentors around. It's very encouraging to see how this veteran team has responded to LR so far.........don't we want to see how he does with a team full of kids soon though? 'Your opinion' is as valid as any........as usual but should we still have to worry about youngsters being developed right here? Does 'this organization' really hold who drafted kids against them? Who's seeing regular minutes on the current roster who'll be part of the rebuild in three years? Kurashev and Entwistle will be 24 at the start of next season and neither look to be players that are built around to say the least. Soderblum on the other hand looks very interesting but why let a 27yro,still cheap GT you had development time into and who's playing very well for his new team walk for nothing? Kevin Lankinen is at the age where goaltenders come into their own and might be good in 3 years at a still young for GT's 30 or just a stop-gap if necessary but I guess he just wasn't part of 'this organization' either..........but in favor of 30 and 35yro often injured castoffs? For a rebuild? |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 5, 2022 10:49:13 GMT -6
IMO KD is doing a good job trying to thread the needle between “tanking” and having a competitive team. As many have posted, at all levels of hockey from pond hockey to the NHL, once you’re on the ice you want your team to win and you want to contribute to the effort. Hawks don’t have much depth and that should become apparent as the season wears on. Doubt they will finish above Calgary, Nashville and Pittsburgh when all is said and done. I'll too enjoy the hard working,more physical team for now and let next summer take care of itself but was 'threading the needle between "tanking" and having a competitive team' ever the plan this year or what you expected? What we have to hope for now is a determined and capable HC doesn't keep his veteran team too close come TDL time when some of the many veterans are moved for picks/prospects. Not many games left to lose at that point and the faithful will see a hard working team they might have started to support blown-up while still within shouting distance. I thought the 'whipsaw' cycle of go for it/rebuild....go for it/rebuild.....go for it/rebuild had come to an end. Isn't the mere thought of finishing above the teams you mentioned,not to mention the other 12 teams currently tied with or behind us horrifying considering what's at stake next summer though? Teams like Tor,Wash,Cal,LA,Pitt and Nashville will figure things out as the year progresses,the Wild and StL probably do too and MAYBE Ott and teams like Buf,NJ,Det and Seattle are punching above their weights to start the year also BUT I count at least seven teams that look hell-bent for Bedard and we ain't one at the moment? Doesn't threading the needle between tanking and having a competitive team sound dangerously like more 'no man's land' to you? I'm still not sure ownership has the stomach to be bad enough to be good again and I hope I'm wrong! |
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Post by mvr on Nov 5, 2022 12:33:25 GMT -6
IMO KD is doing a good job trying to thread the needle between “tanking” and having a competitive team. As many have posted, at all levels of hockey from pond hockey to the NHL, once you’re on the ice you want your team to win and you want to contribute to the effort. Hawks don’t have much depth and that should become apparent as the season wears on. Doubt they will finish above Calgary, Nashville and Pittsburgh when all is said and done. I'll too enjoy the hard working,more physical team for now and let next summer take care of itself but was 'threading the needle between "tanking" and having a competitive team' ever the plan this year or what you expected? What we have to hope for now is a determined and capable HC doesn't keep his veteran team too close come TDL time when some of the many veterans are moved for picks/prospects. Not many games left to lose at that point and the faithful will see a hard working team they might have started to support blown-up while still within shouting distance. I thought the 'whipsaw' cycle of go for it/rebuild....go for it/rebuild.....go for it/rebuild had come to an end. Isn't the mere thought of finishing above the teams you mentioned,not to mention the other 12 teams currently tied with or behind us horrifying considering what's at stake next summer though? Teams like Tor,Wash,Cal,LA,Pitt and Nashville will figure things out as the year progresses,the Wild and StL probably do too and MAYBE Ott and teams like Buf,NJ,Det and Seattle are punching above their weights to start the year also BUT I count at least seven teams that look hell-bent for Bedard and we ain't one at the moment? Doesn't threading the needle between tanking and having a competitive team sound dangerously like more 'no man's land' to you? I'm still not sure ownership has the stomach to be bad enough to be good again and I hope I'm wrong! I agree with this position and believe the general manager needs to start pruning earlier than anticipated. It is clear the team as constructed is in "no man's land." They are certainly not competitive against the good teams. But they have many focussed veteran players on short-term contracts who want to win. If nothing changes soon, the team will win many more games than analysts (and likely Hawk management) anticipated (and counted on). We know and Kane and Toews are here until late February (because of the size of their contracts/cap hits). There is no need, however, to keep Murphy that long. Ditto McCabe and Jack Johnson. All three might actually be at peak trade value right now (given the number of injuries around the league at the position). I hope that Davidson is being aggressive on the phones. Similarly, if a market materializes for AA or Domi (or Dickenson/Lafferty), they should be moved out as well. I believe the trade value for these players will open up starting in late January. There is no point in waiting. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 5, 2022 13:24:37 GMT -6
Ehh, I think it might have been better for him to get out from this organization; Mitchell too. My opinion only. the 30/35 year old d-men don't have to worry about being developed right or having the right mentors around. It's very encouraging to see how this veteran team has responded to LR so far.........don't we want to see how he does with a team full of kids soon though? 'Your opinion' is as valid as any........as usual but should we still have to worry about youngsters being developed right here? Does 'this organization' really hold who drafted kids against them? Who's seeing regular minutes on the current roster who'll be part of the rebuild in three years? Kurashev and Entwistle will be 24 at the start of next season and neither look to be players that are built around to say the least. Soderblum on the other hand looks very interesting but why let a 27yro,still cheap GT you had development time into and who's playing very well for his new team walk for nothing? Kevin Lankinen is at the age where goaltenders come into their own and might be good in 3 years at a still young for GT's 30 or just a stop-gap if necessary but I guess he just wasn't part of 'this organization' either..........but in favor of 30 and 35yro often injured castoffs? For a rebuild? Kids still need to be developed properly and not rushed. Using Seabs as a baseline, he was drafted in 2003, and he didn't hit the NHL until 2005/2006. None of the Legume-reckoner's remaining prospects look anywhere near beith one of the top guys in my opinion, so when we consider guys like Reichel/Korch/Nazar, they still got development to go. Plus, I think we're missing some true potential superstar prospects; which the previous GM gen squandered in my opinion. Hence, the tank. This year in my opinion is one we shouldn't be worried about for the young guys. Hell, we don't know what Kane and Toews' disposition will be. Next year, then yes. This year? No. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 5, 2022 13:39:53 GMT -6
We have to keep in mind that this year's team is actually quite old.
The team's best players - almost without exception - are in their late twenties or older.
Of the present roster, only a select few (Soderblum, Raddysh, Katchouk, Kurashev, Entwistle, Roos, Regula) could see the team through the entire rebuild. None of these support players are driving the team's success right now. I see perhaps one future building block here (Soderblum).
The real "tank" might not happen until next year. But it will happen.
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 5, 2022 14:31:20 GMT -6
We have to keep in mind that this year's team is actually quite old. The team's best players - almost without exception - are in their late twenties or older. Of the present roster, only a select few (Soderblum, Raddysh, Katchouk, Kurashev, Entwistle, Roos, Regula) could see the team through the entire rebuild. None of these support players are driving the team's success right now. I see perhaps one future building block here (Soderblum). The real "tank" might not happen until next year. But it will happen. They should have kept Colliton if they really wanted to tank. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 5, 2022 19:11:15 GMT -6
We have to keep in mind that this year's team is actually quite old. The team's best players - almost without exception - are in their late twenties or older. Of the present roster, only a select few (Soderblum, Raddysh, Katchouk, Kurashev, Entwistle, Roos, Regula) could see the team through the entire rebuild. None of these support players are driving the team's success right now. I see perhaps one future building block here (Soderblum). The real "tank" might not happen until next year. But it will happen. They should have kept Colliton if they really wanted to tank. I think they wanted to get a system in place to try to build towards. That negates JC. |
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Post by 2old4this on Nov 6, 2022 0:10:41 GMT -6
I believe the reason that Davidson has brought in older players is to try and trade them for picks before the TDL. For those who don't get traded, the price he paid was not too high and he can afford to let them walk. Regardless of the lottery, I think this coming draft will see some real progress in the state of the franchise.
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Post by steamer on Nov 6, 2022 3:06:02 GMT -6
We have to keep in mind that this year's team is actually quite old. The team's best players - almost without exception - are in their late twenties or older. Of the present roster, only a select few (Soderblum, Raddysh, Katchouk, Kurashev, Entwistle, Roos, Regula) could see the team through the entire rebuild. None of these support players are driving the team's success right now. I see perhaps one future building block here (Soderblum). The real "tank" might not happen until next year. But it will happen. I think this is a good point. The tank may not be perfectly timed for Bedard et al but KD can accumulate some additional 1st and 2nd round picks that should have some payoff if the draft is indeed as deep as advertised. If players are unloaded in Feb. next years team will be worse than this one providing more high picks. But Luke hopefully can keep the motors high in the mean time. He knows what KD is trying to achieve - 🤞 |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 6, 2022 10:10:40 GMT -6
Love you guys and love the chatter but do my eyes deceive me? "The real tank might not happen till next year"......"This year,no"......"regardless of the lottery"........and,""the tank may not be perfectly timed for Bedard et all"? WHY? The timing was entirely in our hands!
There was basically total agreement on these boards all this summer as far as the NEED for one of next summer's top/possibly generational youngsters coming out if I recall.......am I off base? The temporary enjoyment of a team that competes well every night was in what plans? It seems more like a temporary lapse of reason to be honest.
The fanbase sees two of it's favorite young players moved,23yro Hagle because he's too old for when the kids are ready(he wasn't)and the return was too good to pass up(it was),even though the kid's now skatin' on TB's top line....1gl 3pts +3 in 19+ minutes in a big win against red hot Buffalo last night.
And 24yro DeBrincat was also too old for the rebuild and a team with 43.6M in cap space next year and 68.7M the following year couldn't afford him. 25yro Strome was kicked to the curb for NOTHING as well.
If this settled in with a big fan of the three like myself(it did)because I know the need to restock the cupboards,I'll assume it also settled in with most of the fanbase too. Only to see not a single veteran also traded and even more brought in.....why?
We were 'bitin' the bullet' and 'blowin' it up' but 'bitin' the bullet' and 'blowin' it up' somehow includes keeping Murphy,McCabe and Tyler Johnson and adding other guys 30 and over.....why?
We know K&T didn't ask to be traded this summer and they won't since it's a bad optic for them,they'll have to be asked to be waived. Were they? Was S Jones?
Regula,Vlasic and Phillips will all be 22 at the start of next season,all have size and all have some AHL and NHL experience and even 23yro Beaudin was totally ignored after Covid and a constant and apparently continuing conga-line of veteran D-men coming on-board disrupted his career after a nifty/puck moving stint in the 'Q'....+60 his last season there and 23yro Galvas is no more than an afterthought now too. We'll see what kind of shot a kid like 23yro Mitchell gets after paying his dues and being a good soldier for the Org here shortly too.
Would the young guys make more mistakes while they get needed NHL ice time and would that result in more L's.......works for me but not apparently for the rebuilding team or it's new HC,once again.....why?
Reichel will also be 21 to start next year,he's grown into his NHL ready body,he's coming off a real good AHL season and looks even better this one with a bit of NHL experience himself. Hardman's also 23 with size,snarl,a solid AHL season under his belt and a bit of NHL time too and I dunno what happened to 21yro 6'4" Michal Teply after his own solid AHL season.
I don't see an extended NHL stint hurting the development of these kids at their ages and experience and it tells a team what they need to know about a player if it does @21-23 years old.
Did LR not want the rebuilding team loaded up with kids making rookie mistakes......if so,why did KD comply?
I knew there'd be 'place holders' and guys like 28yro AA and 27yro Domi are proper 'place holders' because they're still capable of decent seasons and flip-able for assets. I wouldn't even mind a tough 30yro Tinordy coming in to protect the kids but I don't see the kids and adding 35yro Jack Johnson too simply tells me the team really didn't want to be uncompetitive this year and that simply wasn't the plan I was familiar with.
I don't know how much but this team will be better with S Jones when he returns and W/O it's 5th string GT when one of the others return and not a lotta games left to lose after players are moved around the TDL.
Did 'The Family' see a drop-off in ticket sales over the summer and lose it's stomach for losing?
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Post by mvr on Nov 6, 2022 10:53:52 GMT -6
Love you guys and love the chatter but do my eyes deceive me? "The real tank might not happen till next year"......"This year,no"......"regardless of the lottery"........and,""the tank may not be perfectly timed for Bedard et all"? WHY? The timing was entirely in our hands! There was basically total agreement on these boards all this summer as far as the NEED for one of next summer's top/possibly generational youngsters coming out if I recall.......am I off base? The temporary enjoyment of a team that competes well every night was in what plans? It seems more like a temporary lapse of reason to be honest. The fanbase sees two of it's favorite young players moved,23yro Hagle because he's too old for when the kids are ready(he wasn't)and the return was too good to pass up(it was),even though the kid's now skatin' on TB's top line....1gl 3pts +3 in 19+ minutes in a big win against red hot Buffalo last night. And 24yro DeBrincat was also too old for the rebuild and a team with 43.6M in cap space next year and 68.7M the following year couldn't afford him. 25yro Strome was kicked to the curb for NOTHING as well. If this settled in with a big fan of the three like myself(it did)because I know the need to restock the cupboards,I'll assume it also settled in with most of the fanbase too. Only to see not a single veteran also traded and even more brought in.....why? We were 'bitin' the bullet' and 'blowin' it up' but 'bitin' the bullet' and 'blowin' it up' somehow includes keeping Murphy,McCabe and Tyler Johnson and adding other guys 30 and over.....why? We know K&T didn't ask to be traded this summer and they won't since it's a bad optic for them,they'll have to be asked to be waived. Were they? Was S Jones? Regula,Vlasic and Phillips will all be 22 at the start of next season,all have size and all have some AHL and NHL experience and even 23yro Beaudin was totally ignored after Covid and a constant and apparently continuing conga-line of veteran D-men coming on-board disrupted his career after a nifty/puck moving stint in the 'Q'....+60 his last season there and 23yro Galvas is no more than an afterthought now too. We'll see what kind of shot a kid like 23yro Mitchell gets after paying his dues and being a good soldier for the Org here shortly too. Would the young guys make more mistakes while they get needed NHL ice time and would that result in more L's.......works for me but not apparently for the rebuilding team or it's new HC,once again.....why? Reichel will also be 21 to start next year,he's grown into his NHL ready body,he's coming off a real good AHL season and looks even better this one with a bit of NHL experience himself. Hardman's also 23 with size,snarl,a solid AHL season under his belt and a bit of NHL time too and I dunno what happened to 21yro 6'4" Michal Teply after his own solid AHL season. I don't see an extended NHL stint hurting the development of these kids at their ages and experience and it tells a team what they need to know about a player if it does @21-23 years old. Did LR not want the rebuilding team loaded up with kids making rookie mistakes......if so,why did KD comply? I knew there'd be 'place holders' and guys like 28yro AA and 27yro Domi are proper 'place holders' because they're still capable of decent seasons and flip-able for assets. I wouldn't even mind a tough 30yro Tinordy coming in to protect the kids but I don't see the kids and adding 35yro Jack Johnson too simply tells me the team really didn't want to be uncompetitive this year and that simply wasn't the plan I was familiar with. I don't know how much but this team will be better with S Jones when he returns and W/O it's 5th string GT when one of the others return and not a lotta games left to lose after players are moved around the TDL. Did 'The Family' see a drop-off in ticket sales over the summer and lose it's stomach for losing? As long as Toews and Kane and Seth Jones are here, the team is not set up to tank. All three have NMC and will not be leaving until they choose. |
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Post by steamer on Nov 6, 2022 11:13:05 GMT -6
I am pretty sure the term “tank” is a no-no at the GM level and KD would never describe his approach that way. It is a rebuild to the extent he can - working around the contract obstacles that Kane, Toews and Seth present. Hsbob raises good questions around why 23, 24 and 25 year old budding stars can’t play a role in KD’s rebuild - I don’t know why other than they were the only players who could fetch high picks? Why Jack Johnson? I don’t know.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 6, 2022 11:38:15 GMT -6
Love you guys and love the chatter but do my eyes deceive me? "The real tank might not happen till next year"......"This year,no"......"regardless of the lottery"........and,""the tank may not be perfectly timed for Bedard et all"? WHY? The timing was entirely in our hands! There was basically total agreement on these boards all this summer as far as the NEED for one of next summer's top/possibly generational youngsters coming out if I recall.......am I off base? The temporary enjoyment of a team that competes well every night was in what plans? It seems more like a temporary lapse of reason to be honest. The fanbase sees two of it's favorite young players moved,23yro Hagle because he's too old for when the kids are ready(he wasn't)and the return was too good to pass up(it was),even though the kid's now skatin' on TB's top line....1gl 3pts +3 in 19+ minutes in a big win against red hot Buffalo last night. And 24yro DeBrincat was also too old for the rebuild and a team with 43.6M in cap space next year and 68.7M the following year couldn't afford him. 25yro Strome was kicked to the curb for NOTHING as well. If this settled in with a big fan of the three like myself(it did)because I know the need to restock the cupboards,I'll assume it also settled in with most of the fanbase too. Only to see not a single veteran also traded and even more brought in.....why? We were 'bitin' the bullet' and 'blowin' it up' but 'bitin' the bullet' and 'blowin' it up' somehow includes keeping Murphy,McCabe and Tyler Johnson and adding other guys 30 and over.....why? We know K&T didn't ask to be traded this summer and they won't since it's a bad optic for them,they'll have to be asked to be waived. Were they? Was S Jones? Regula,Vlasic and Phillips will all be 22 at the start of next season,all have size and all have some AHL and NHL experience and even 23yro Beaudin was totally ignored after Covid and a constant and apparently continuing conga-line of veteran D-men coming on-board disrupted his career after a nifty/puck moving stint in the 'Q'....+60 his last season there and 23yro Galvas is no more than an afterthought now too. We'll see what kind of shot a kid like 23yro Mitchell gets after paying his dues and being a good soldier for the Org here shortly too. Would the young guys make more mistakes while they get needed NHL ice time and would that result in more L's.......works for me but not apparently for the rebuilding team or it's new HC,once again.....why? Reichel will also be 21 to start next year,he's grown into his NHL ready body,he's coming off a real good AHL season and looks even better this one with a bit of NHL experience himself. Hardman's also 23 with size,snarl,a solid AHL season under his belt and a bit of NHL time too and I dunno what happened to 21yro 6'4" Michal Teply after his own solid AHL season. I don't see an extended NHL stint hurting the development of these kids at their ages and experience and it tells a team what they need to know about a player if it does @21-23 years old. Did LR not want the rebuilding team loaded up with kids making rookie mistakes......if so,why did KD comply? I knew there'd be 'place holders' and guys like 28yro AA and 27yro Domi are proper 'place holders' because they're still capable of decent seasons and flip-able for assets. I wouldn't even mind a tough 30yro Tinordy coming in to protect the kids but I don't see the kids and adding 35yro Jack Johnson too simply tells me the team really didn't want to be uncompetitive this year and that simply wasn't the plan I was familiar with. I don't know how much but this team will be better with S Jones when he returns and W/O it's 5th string GT when one of the others return and not a lotta games left to lose after players are moved around the TDL. Did 'The Family' see a drop-off in ticket sales over the summer and lose it's stomach for losing? As long as Toews and Kane and Seth Jones are here, the team is not set up to tank. All three have NMC and will not be leaving until they choose. So the tank this year was never to be? This was NOT the sentiment only four months ago. The team had the 6th worst record in the league with Kane,Toews and Jones in the lineup last year and they lost MAF,not to mention their 2nd,4th,5th,7th and 8th top overall scorers from last year and their 1st,3rd,4th and 5th top goal scorers too. Not only could the team have been worse.........it SHOULD have been worse but a bunch of veterans were brought in to avoid it for some reason. Kane and Toews both sounded disillusioned after losing the best linemates they had in years not long ago and what happened to the 'move D-Cat so Kane will want to leave too' and the idea of a struggling,young team having no appeal to Kane,Toews or Jones? What happened is a bunch of competitive veterans were brought in to raise the appeal of staying for all three. This just didn't seem to be the team's plan to me. The rush to approve of everything the new powers that be do,even if it costs the team what could be a game changing young draftee next summer seems flippant to me to say the least. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 6, 2022 11:43:06 GMT -6
In the 2006-2007 season the Hawks were tied for the 5th worst team in the NHL and got lucky in the lottery draw and got #1 pick. (Kane)
So they don't have to finish the worst team with the worst record to get Bedard or the other kid.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 6, 2022 12:10:20 GMT -6
I am pretty sure the term “tank” is a no-no at the GM level and KD would never describe his approach that way. It is a rebuild to the extent he can - working around the contract obstacles that Kane, Toews and Seth present. Hsbob raises good questions around why 23, 24 and 25 year old budding stars can’t play a role in KD’s rebuild - I don’t know why other than they were the only players who could fetch high picks? Why Jack Johnson? I don’t know. I never expected LR to do anything other than be deadly serious and attempt to win every game he coaches.........losing games is indeed NOT in his DNA! KD's a smart guy,he had to expect the same. The term 'tank' is never used by any team but trading your best young players for picks and prospects certainly suggests it. Just the way I see it but I don't see as well as I used to. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 6, 2022 12:27:39 GMT -6
I don't believe in tanking, and I never have.
But I also do not believe in rushing a prospect before he is fully ready. I like "over-cooking" young kids - making sure they both the physical strength and the emotional maturity to handle the pro game. This means developing them in a more sheltered situation before promoting them full-time and handing them the big dollars. Too many prospects are ruined by early promotions especially when they are asked to perform roles they are not ready to take on for bottom-feeders.
Of the kids, only Reichel really is being held back. The others - other than perhaps Ian Mitchell - are not ready. Until they are ready, the team needs temp fill.
Clearly this team is going to get worse before it gets better as the aging stars move on. Toews, Kane and the few veterans (Murphy, Jones, Johnson, Dome, AA, Dickinson, Lafferty etc.) are holding the team together right now. I suspect that Davidson will start moving out many of them out shortly (recycling veterans he acquired for picks and prospects). More veterans will be brought in again next year also on one year contracts. They will be recycled as well.
Toews and Kane will either be traded at the deadline, or they will stay through the rebuild, taking on lesser roles as they age out and retire as Hawks. Whatever the situation, the process of building back up will take four or five years minimum. The Hawks will have a top-six pick this year, and likely even higher picks for the next two seasons.
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Post by mvr on Nov 6, 2022 12:36:03 GMT -6
Some may argue that the "temp fill" added this year was of too high quality for a rebuild. Are Domi, Johnson, Dickinson and AA spoiling this team's "tank"?
My feeling is that Davidson wanted to add some quality players to surround his most valuable trade assets (Toews and Kane). Without Domi and AA, my guess is that Kane's numbers sharply drop. Dickenson and Lafferty's presence has allowed the coaching staff to redefine Toews' role, giving him many more scoring situations to pad his numbers.
Davidson does not want to create hard feelings with the core veteran stars. He needs them onboard. Should Kane and Toews both leave this year (and choose not to re-sign) my guess is that Davidson adds lesser players next summer as "temp fill." The "tank" then will be fully on.
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Post by Tater on Nov 6, 2022 12:42:13 GMT -6
I think it would be best to put Toews and Kane on the same line to pad their stats in case they are going to be moved. After that, anything goes on the other lines, and having only one good line would help with the tank too.
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Post by mvr on Nov 6, 2022 12:44:50 GMT -6
I think it would be best to put Toews and Kane on the same line to pad their stats in case they are going to be moved. After that, anything goes on the other lines, and having only one good line would help with the tank too. This still might happen, depending on how quickly Davidson finds a buyer for Domi. I agree with you. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 6, 2022 12:54:06 GMT -6
Davidson is not saying so, but clearly it would make things easier for the general manager if Kane and Toews ask for a trade.
It has not happened yet.
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