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Post by mikeveisor on Sept 19, 2023 15:01:34 GMT -6
ok...technically he's not a blackhawk player anymore but imo he's always a blackhawk. and because he hasn't been seen around these parts much the last 2 or 3 years years i figured i'd dump this pic of him and scotty d. here. good to see crow in the flesh again. x.com/Mario_Tirabassi/status/1703030320516259928?s=20edit: crow's going to have his number retired by the moncton wildcats in the "Q" this november. #50 should be retired. Agreed, but he appears to fall way short on the team's new criteria for jersey retirement. |
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Post by steamer on Sept 19, 2023 16:56:26 GMT -6
Agreed, but he appears to fall way short on the team's new criteria for jersey retirement. Is it because he didn’t play for the Red Wings?😉 |
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Post by Nikos on Sept 19, 2023 17:29:16 GMT -6
Agreed, but he appears to fall way short on the team's new criteria for jersey retirement. Sometimes you just need to look at the results and forget the numbers. Came within a bad bounce (thanks Leddy) of looking at three straight cups. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 19, 2023 19:00:16 GMT -6
Agreed, but he appears to fall way short on the team's new criteria for jersey retirement. Sometimes you just need to look at the results and forget the numbers. Came within a bad bounce (thanks Leddy) of looking at three straight cups. not arguing against you here because i'd absolutely love for crow to get into the HoF. i don't think it will happen because unfortunately numbers do play a part in it. just copy and pasting from a post here that's nearly 3 years old because the discussion has come up here before... crow has 52 p/o wins and 2 cups.
mike vernon has 77 p/o wins and 2 cups, osgood has 74 and 3 and andy moog has 68 and 3. none are in the HOF. if crow had've won the connie in '13 he'd have a much better shot at it.
only 36 goalies have made the HOF as well, its a pretty prestigious club.osgood the most damning comparison imho. 13th all time in regular season wins (401), crow is 60th (260). 9th all time in playoff wins (74), crow is 21st (52). yes i'm cherry picking stats here but here are the reg. season and playoff numbers all goalies/all time so you can cherry pick too if you like. : ) it's a handy site for this because the HoF goalies have an asterisk beside their names. www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/wins_goalie_career_p.htmlwww.hockey-reference.com/leaders/wins_goalie_career.html |
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Post by Nikos on Sept 19, 2023 20:52:41 GMT -6
Sometimes you just need to look at the results and forget the numbers. Came within a bad bounce (thanks Leddy) of looking at three straight cups. not arguing against you here because i'd absolutely love for crow to get into the HoF. i don't think it will happen because unfortunately numbers do play a part in it. just copy and pasting from a post here that's nearly 3 years old because the discussion has come up here before... crow has 52 p/o wins and 2 cups.
mike vernon has 77 p/o wins and 2 cups, osgood has 74 and 3 and andy moog has 68 and 3. none are in the HOF. if crow had've won the connie in '13 he'd have a much better shot at it.
only 36 goalies have made the HOF as well, its a pretty prestigious club.osgood the most damning comparison imho. 13th all time in regular season wins (401), crow is 60th (260). 9th all time in playoff wins (74), crow is 21st (52). yes i'm cherry picking stats here but here are the reg. season and playoff numbers all goalies/all time so you can cherry pick too if you like. : ) it's a handy site for this because the HoF goalies have an asterisk beside their names. www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/wins_goalie_career_p.htmlwww.hockey-reference.com/leaders/wins_goalie_career.htmlI was actually speaking more to the jersey retirement criteria. I get your point and agree that numbers are much more relevant when looking at HOF consideration. I just feel Crow was so much underappreciated primarily by the media and even the casual fans, would love for him to finally get recognized. He also paid his dues and spent a lot of time in the AHL, riding buses and staying in cheap hotels. John Cooper talked about Crow and what he did and how much of a factor he was in that 2015 Cup Final. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 19, 2023 21:10:38 GMT -6
not arguing against you here because i'd absolutely love for crow to get into the HoF. i don't think it will happen because unfortunately numbers do play a part in it. just copy and pasting from a post here that's nearly 3 years old because the discussion has come up here before... crow has 52 p/o wins and 2 cups.
mike vernon has 77 p/o wins and 2 cups, osgood has 74 and 3 and andy moog has 68 and 3. none are in the HOF. if crow had've won the connie in '13 he'd have a much better shot at it.
only 36 goalies have made the HOF as well, its a pretty prestigious club.osgood the most damning comparison imho. 13th all time in regular season wins (401), crow is 60th (260). 9th all time in playoff wins (74), crow is 21st (52). yes i'm cherry picking stats here but here are the reg. season and playoff numbers all goalies/all time so you can cherry pick too if you like. : ) it's a handy site for this because the HoF goalies have an asterisk beside their names. www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/wins_goalie_career_p.htmlwww.hockey-reference.com/leaders/wins_goalie_career.htmlI get your point and agree that numbers are much more relevant when looking at HOF consideration. I just feel Crow was so much underappreciated primarily by the media and even the casual fans, would love for him to finally get recognized. He also paid his dues and spent a lot of time in the AHL, riding buses and staying in cheap hotels. John Cooper talked about Crow and what he did and how much of a factor he was in that 2015 Cup Final. yes...yes you were. reading your post again, it's as plain as could be. not sure why i had the HoF in my head. apologies. couldn't agree more with paragraph number 2. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 25, 2023 8:32:31 GMT -6
Sometimes you just need to look at the results and forget the numbers. Came within a bad bounce (thanks Leddy) of looking at three straight cups. not arguing against you here because i'd absolutely love for crow to get into the HoF. i don't think it will happen because unfortunately numbers do play a part in it. just copy and pasting from a post here that's nearly 3 years old because the discussion has come up here before... crow has 52 p/o wins and 2 cups.
mike vernon has 77 p/o wins and 2 cups, osgood has 74 and 3 and andy moog has 68 and 3. none are in the HOF. if crow had've won the connie in '13 he'd have a much better shot at it.
only 36 goalies have made the HOF as well, its a pretty prestigious club.osgood the most damning comparison imho. 13th all time in regular season wins (401), crow is 60th (260). 9th all time in playoff wins (74), crow is 21st (52). yes i'm cherry picking stats here but here are the reg. season and playoff numbers all goalies/all time so you can cherry pick too if you like. : ) it's a handy site for this because the HoF goalies have an asterisk beside their names. www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/wins_goalie_career_p.htmlwww.hockey-reference.com/leaders/wins_goalie_career.htmlThe thing is, every stat you picked is a team stat... and those team stats are how goalies are rated. Individually, his numbers are better than MAF's, but no one's looks at the individual numbers. Thus, MAF is likely into the hall of fame even though Crawford was the better netminder. |
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Post by steamer on Sept 25, 2023 12:02:53 GMT -6
Hope they retire Crow’s sweater regardless of HOF possibilities.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 25, 2023 12:49:29 GMT -6
Hope they retire Crow’s sweater regardless of HOF possibilities. it should be retired solely for his 2013 acceptance speech. fuckin right. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 26, 2023 1:02:15 GMT -6
finally some news about a current goalie. some bullet points in case anyone can't read the sun-times article. The Blackhawks’ plan for young goalie Arvid Soderblom is not only for him to play full time in the NHL this season but also to give him every chance to seize the No. 1 job.
‘‘He was up with us last year for our worst six weeks of the year, so we owe him a couple of wins,’’ coach Luke Richardson said Monday.
Perhaps the lack of buzz around Soderblom’s full-time graduation to Chicago stems from his subpar numbers last season, his second in North America. He posted an .894 save percentage in those 15 games with the Hawks and a .905 save percentage in 33 games with Rockford of the AHL.
But throwing out just a couple of ugly nights makes the numbers look much better. In his first 14 games with the Hawks, he had a .904 save percentage; a seven-goal final start against the Rangers tanked his stats.
Meanwhile, in his last 25 games at Rockford — after he recovered from a groin injury in December, then settled back into a rhythm — he had a .920 save percentage. It was .927 in his last 16 games.chicago.suntimes.com/blackhawks/2023/9/25/23889860/blackhawks-arvid-soderblom-calmness-nhl-goalies-petr-mrazek-jimmy-waitean interview from a few hours ago that covers a lot of what's in the article. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 27, 2023 8:10:00 GMT -6
Hope they retire Crow’s sweater regardless of HOF possibilities. it should be retired solely for his 2013 acceptance speech. fuckin right.  |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 27, 2023 17:55:55 GMT -6
fingers crossed that smoke's not being blown here. Spoke with Jimmy Waite about the #Blackhawks goalies yesterday. He said he can tell when one has that 'it factor.'
"And I think we have one that has it."
Waite went on to heap praise upon Arvid Soderblom, who really stood out in Tuesday's scrimmage.
in the comments to his tweet he added a couple of comments. Waite loves how chill Soderblom is. "Crow was like that. Sometimes I'd see Crawford before a big playoff game just standing there. It was a big game. Playoffs. It's like, 'OK, what's going on?' So calm. You almost get nervous. Is he ready to play?'
"I think Arvid's a little like that. He's very calm and nothing fazes him."x.com/JDietzSports/status/1707022644946571522?s=20 |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 27, 2023 18:07:52 GMT -6
fingers crossed that smoke's not being blown here. Spoke with Jimmy Waite about the #Blackhawks goalies yesterday. He said he can tell when one has that 'it factor.'
"And I think we have one that has it."
Waite went on to heap praise upon Arvid Soderblom, who really stood out in Tuesday's scrimmage.
in the comments to his tweet he added a couple of comments. Waite loves how chill Soderblom is. "Crow was like that. Sometimes I'd see Crawford before a big playoff game just standing there. It was a big game. Playoffs. It's like, 'OK, what's going on?' So calm. You almost get nervous. Is he ready to play?'
"I think Arvid's a little like that. He's very calm and nothing fazes him."x.com/JDietzSports/status/1707022644946571522?s=20just read the article on him in the Athletic. lotta Crow comparisons. |
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Post by tincup on Sept 27, 2023 18:24:17 GMT -6
fingers crossed that smoke's not being blown here. Spoke with Jimmy Waite about the #Blackhawks goalies yesterday. He said he can tell when one has that 'it factor.'
"And I think we have one that has it."
Waite went on to heap praise upon Arvid Soderblom, who really stood out in Tuesday's scrimmage.
in the comments to his tweet he added a couple of comments. Waite loves how chill Soderblom is. "Crow was like that. Sometimes I'd see Crawford before a big playoff game just standing there. It was a big game. Playoffs. It's like, 'OK, what's going on?' So calm. You almost get nervous. Is he ready to play?'
"I think Arvid's a little like that. He's very calm and nothing fazes him."x.com/JDietzSports/status/1707022644946571522?s=20just read the article on him in the Athletic. lotta Crow comparisons. I’ll have to see his playoff beard (Crow could grow a good one) and hopefully it’s before it comes in grey. |
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Post by steamer on Oct 1, 2023 8:33:53 GMT -6
Weeks assigned to Rockford. Soderblom probably will be the starter by the 2nd half of the season - we know Mrazek can’t play much more than a half season.
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Post by vadarx on Oct 1, 2023 8:46:21 GMT -6
Weeks assigned to Rockford. Soderblom probably will be the starter by the 2nd have of the season - we know Mrazek can’t play much more than a half season. I'll be shocked if it takes that long, tbh. |
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Post by steamer on Oct 2, 2023 14:58:35 GMT -6
What happens with Stauber?
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 2, 2023 15:02:59 GMT -6
What happens with Stauber? Commessos backup. He looked good in the NHL last season but not so much in Rockford. Definitely didn't look good against Detroit. Unless Weeks takes that spot, then he'd be Indys starter. |
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Post by steamer on Oct 4, 2023 15:04:05 GMT -6
Stauber assigned to Rockford
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 24, 2024 11:42:44 GMT -6
With Mrazek signed for two more years do the Hawks move on from Soderblom after this season? His first season in the AHL was really good but last season his numbers really dropped and he's looking bad in the NHL, sure the team isn't good but he has bad rebound control, let's in soft goals and his save percentage is bad.
KD should sign Basse after this season and let Commesso backup Mrazek next season.
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 24, 2024 13:21:54 GMT -6
With Mrazek signed for two more years do the Hawks move on from Soderblom after this season? His first season in the AHL was really good but last season his numbers really dropped and he's looking bad in the NHL, sure the team isn't good but he has bad rebound control, let's in soft goals and his save percentage is bad. KD should sign Basse after this season and let Commesso backup Mrazek next season. I see soderblom being resigned and compete for backup with commesso. I think mrazek, a year older, will get injured enough to see the backups get ample playing time |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 24, 2024 13:46:43 GMT -6
With Mrazek signed for two more years do the Hawks move on from Soderblom after this season? His first season in the AHL was really good but last season his numbers really dropped and he's looking bad in the NHL, sure the team isn't good but he has bad rebound control, let's in soft goals and his save percentage is bad. KD should sign Basse after this season and let Commesso backup Mrazek next season. Soder is still signed through next season. He's 24 now and will be 25 at the start of next season. Have 24 yr old Stauber and 21 yr old Commesso in Rockford. We have a couple other prospects too. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 24, 2024 15:23:30 GMT -6
With Mrazek signed for two more years do the Hawks move on from Soderblom after this season? His first season in the AHL was really good but last season his numbers really dropped and he's looking bad in the NHL, sure the team isn't good but he has bad rebound control, let's in soft goals and his save percentage is bad. KD should sign Basse after this season and let Commesso backup Mrazek next season. Soder is still signed through next season. He's 24 now and will be 25 at the start of next season. Have 24 yr old Stauber and 21 yr old Commesso in Rockford. We have a couple other prospects too. I thought Arvids contract was up after this season, he better get his shit together if he wants another contract with Chicago because he's been very disappointing. |
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Post by tincup on Jan 28, 2024 14:33:06 GMT -6
For what it’s worth they still believe he’s salvageable…
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Post by hsbob on Jan 29, 2024 9:14:36 GMT -6
I thought lessening Mrazak's work-load earlier in the season would've help keep him healthy for the TDL and also would've seen Soder getting a lot more starts but I think Mrazak's re-do means they aren't actively dangling him at the TDL now. I think they listen if somebody wants to over-pay though.
I expected more from the young Swede but I expected more starts too,it's hard to play your way through issues when you don't play.
Soderblom's 25 to start next season and 25's a bit of a threshold for a young GT IMO. They can be developed more slowly than skaters as we all know,but mid-20's is the age an Org has to at least feel a young GT has NHL ability with a bit more time and development. There's also the assessment factor and an increased work-load for the younger GT the rest of the way is the opportunity,let's see if more game action helps or hurts.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 29, 2024 10:56:22 GMT -6
I thought lessening Mrazak's work-load earlier in the season would've help keep him healthy for the TDL and also would've seen Soder getting a lot more starts but I think Mrazak's re-do means they aren't actively dangling him at the TDL now. I think they listen if somebody wants to over-pay though. I expected more from the young Swede but I expected more starts too,it's hard to play your way through issues when you don't play. Soderblom's 25 to start next season and 25's a bit of a threshold for a young GT IMO. They can be developed more slowly than skaters as we all know,but mid-20's is the age an Org has to at least feel a young GT has NHL ability with a bit more time and development. There's also the assessment factor and an increased work-load for the younger GT the rest of the way is the opportunity,let's see if more game action helps or hurts. I think even Crow was like 25 when he finally got the Hawks job. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 29, 2024 11:25:30 GMT -6
I thought lessening Mrazak's work-load earlier in the season would've help keep him healthy for the TDL and also would've seen Soder getting a lot more starts but I think Mrazak's re-do means they aren't actively dangling him at the TDL now. I think they listen if somebody wants to over-pay though. I expected more from the young Swede but I expected more starts too,it's hard to play your way through issues when you don't play. Soderblom's 25 to start next season and 25's a bit of a threshold for a young GT IMO. They can be developed more slowly than skaters as we all know,but mid-20's is the age an Org has to at least feel a young GT has NHL ability with a bit more time and development. There's also the assessment factor and an increased work-load for the younger GT the rest of the way is the opportunity,let's see if more game action helps or hurts. I think even Crow was like 25 when he finally got the Hawks job. I don't think that's uncommon,few top GT's did much before their mid 20's.........some broke-through in their late 20's too. They don't have to be world-beaters @25 but you better have some idea of where you're at with one at that age as far as the team's future and their big league ability. Buffalo drafted and developed Ulmark,who looked pretty decent in his chances there before they let him walk @27,patience woulda been rewarded if the Sabres hung onto him but no GT seems to look good up there so who knows. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jan 29, 2024 13:55:07 GMT -6
With Mrazek signed for two more years do the Hawks move on from Soderblom after this season? His first season in the AHL was really good but last season his numbers really dropped and he's looking bad in the NHL, sure the team isn't good but he has bad rebound control, let's in soft goals and his save percentage is bad. KD should sign Basse after this season and let Commesso backup Mrazek next season. Soder is still signed through next season. He's 24 now and will be 25 at the start of next season. Have 24 yr old Stauber and 21 yr old Commesso in Rockford. We have a couple other prospects too. By the looks of it the preseason next season should be a brawl for the backup slot. Stauber, Soder, and Der Commesso should be fighting for the slot. Soder lost his inside track by his play this year. I'm okay with this. We won't have a defense for awhile (Vlassic can't do everything) so let's see who rises up. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 30, 2024 18:59:48 GMT -6
one of the few rays of light in an otherwise dismal season.
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 1, 2024 13:14:55 GMT -6
one of the few rays of light in an otherwise dismal season. Looking up the stats right now: Mrazek has the same SV% (of goalies with 20 or more GP) as BobRosski and Skinner. Sknnner's GAA is 2.44 and BobRosski's is 2.51. Mrazek's is 2.92. I did some more digging into the numbers, for goalies this season who have played 20 or more games, Mrazek is 7th with 32 SA/60 (shots against per 60 minutes of icetime) with 32.45. Montembault, Elvis, Blackwood, Sorokin, Dostal, and Kahkonen have seen more rubber per 60 minutes of icetime. All of them have worse SV%. All of them by proxy have worse GAA numbers (all above 3.00). By contrast, Soder Popinski is seeing less SA/60 (31.92), has the worst GAA with 4.07, and the 2nd worst SV% of .874 (behind Raanta at .870). Mrazek is indeed a bright spot. He's holding us under 3 GA per game while seeing a lot of rubber. We probably would be better in the standings if we'd get more of the team to play tighter defense or score--but then again the lineup is depleted. I do think the situation is highlighting secondary scoring. Yeah, Bedard is still leading in all categories of O, and Dickenson is tied in goals with 15. No one else has broken 10 goals. in contrast to the 16th place team (the Blues), 7 players have 10 or more goals. 10 players for the Blues have 5 or more (Parayko being the lone D-man). In contrast, 8 players for us have 5 or more goals, and none are D-men. Korch leads with 2. Defense is indeed an issue; we need more players than Vlassic who can play defense 101 (including forwards). However, as some have pointed out we'll need more players who are scoring threats. Otherwise Mrazek can play as good as he can and we'll still be losing games 0-1, 0-2, 1-2, etc. Coaching needs to look at that. |
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