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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 1, 2022 7:54:53 GMT -6
I think Dr. Craw is 100% done. There would be a hell of a lot of rust for him to shake off and there's no guarantee that the roster won't be as pussified as when he got ran 2 seasons in a row.
well...he did seem genuinely pissed off he didn't get term on the contract offered by bowman. likely a dumb idea but he'd put a few asses in the seats and what better mentor than a guy who started here green and went on to win 2 cups. I don't disagree with any of it, but the prospect is highly remote, even though I think he (or Craig Anderson) would likely be the best goalies to mentor our youth when it comes to playing behind a defense that sucks the sweat off the balls of a brass monkey. I just don't see it happening. I think there's a better chance Scott Foster comes back
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Post by squishy24 on Apr 1, 2022 9:15:04 GMT -6
well...he did seem genuinely pissed off he didn't get term on the contract offered by bowman. likely a dumb idea but he'd put a few asses in the seats and what better mentor than a guy who started here green and went on to win 2 cups. I don't disagree with any of it, but the prospect is highly remote, even though I think he (or Craig Anderson) would likely be the best goalies to mentor our youth when it comes to playing behind a defense that sucks the sweat off the balls of a brass monkey. I just don't see it happening. I think there's a better chance Scott Foster comes back speaking of Craig Anderson, i read that hes currently in negotiation to re-sign with the Sabres. so we have no luck there
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 1, 2022 9:23:54 GMT -6
I don't disagree with any of it, but the prospect is highly remote, even though I think he (or Craig Anderson) would likely be the best goalies to mentor our youth when it comes to playing behind a defense that sucks the sweat off the balls of a brass monkey. I just don't see it happening. I think there's a better chance Scott Foster comes back speaking of Craig Anderson, i read that hes currently in negotiation to re-sign with the Sabres. so we have no luck there Good point. Honestly I wouldn't mind either Elliott or Jones here next year, or if a few of the ~2.5M or less vets who are LTIR'ed come back and don't re-sign with their parent club they might be worth looking into.
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Post by squishy24 on Apr 1, 2022 10:44:07 GMT -6
speaking of Craig Anderson, i read that hes currently in negotiation to re-sign with the Sabres. so we have no luck there Good point. Honestly I wouldn't mind either Elliott or Jones here next year, or if a few of the ~2.5M or less vets who are LTIR'ed come back and don't re-sign with their parent club they might be worth looking into. are we looking for just a vet goalie between the pipes or a mentor as well? I dont like either one as a "mentor". Looking at the pending UFAs, there really isnt much "mentor"-type goalies. Holtby maybe? but i doubt he would sign here without overpaying. IF next yr is a rebuild, i'm fine with giving Lankinen one more year (give him more games) and maybe Delia (but only if he plays like how he played against the Panthers last night -for the rest of the yr). Maybe go for Casey DeSmith in the free agency if Pitts let him walk. We also have to see what Soderblom can do and that new guy they just signed
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 1, 2022 13:26:32 GMT -6
Good point. Honestly I wouldn't mind either Elliott or Jones here next year, or if a few of the ~2.5M or less vets who are LTIR'ed come back and don't re-sign with their parent club they might be worth looking into. are we looking for just a vet goalie between the pipes or a mentor as well? I dont like either one as a "mentor". Looking at the pending UFAs, there really isnt much "mentor"-type goalies. Holtby maybe? but i doubt he would sign here without overpaying. IF next yr is a rebuild, i'm fine with giving Lankinen one more year (give him more games) and maybe Delia (but only if he plays like how he played against the Panthers last night -for the rest of the yr). Maybe go for Casey DeSmith in the free agency if Pitts let him walk. We also have to see what Soderblom can do and that new guy they just signed We don't need a goalie as a mentor who is necessarily all that and a bag of chips, just someone who has been there/done that in the vein of Turco/Emery; there to be a 1B to the kids, 1A if they falter, 2 if one takes the reins, and been through enough that they could call out the skaters when they screw the pooch. Not necessarily a starter. Another go-around for MAF if interested or Holtby would be great, but the concept should not be a vet de facto starter like it was this year. Kids will need crease time as well. Even if we're tanking, I think it wouldn't be the best solution to do a Lankien/Delia/Soderblom/etc. kid rotation. For the development of everyone I think it would be better if, like the last 2 games when Delia/Lankinen were left out to dry because the other 18 players sucked ass (irrespective of their actual play in net), you are able to swap one of them out with someone experienced rather than another kid who's so far out of his depth he needs water wings. Again, cheap, short-term deal. I think Jones or Elliott fir the bill.
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Post by hsbob on Apr 2, 2022 9:37:35 GMT -6
are we looking for just a vet goalie between the pipes or a mentor as well? I dont like either one as a "mentor". Looking at the pending UFAs, there really isnt much "mentor"-type goalies. Holtby maybe? but i doubt he would sign here without overpaying. IF next yr is a rebuild, i'm fine with giving Lankinen one more year (give him more games) and maybe Delia (but only if he plays like how he played against the Panthers last night -for the rest of the yr). Maybe go for Casey DeSmith in the free agency if Pitts let him walk. We also have to see what Soderblom can do and that new guy they just signed We don't need a goalie as a mentor who is necessarily all that and a bag of chips, just someone who has been there/done that in the vein of Turco/Emery; there to be a 1B to the kids, 1A if they falter, 2 if one takes the reins, and been through enough that they could call out the skaters when they screw the pooch. Not necessarily a starter. Another go-around for MAF if interested or Holtby would be great, but the concept should not be a vet de facto starter like it was this year. Kids will need crease time as well. Even if we're tanking, I think it wouldn't be the best solution to do a Lankien/Delia/Soderblom/etc. kid rotation. For the development of everyone I think it would be better if, like the last 2 games when Delia/Lankinen were left out to dry because the other 18 players sucked ass (irrespective of their actual play in net), you are able to swap one of them out with someone experienced rather than another kid who's so far out of his depth he needs water wings. Again, cheap, short-term deal. I think Jones or Elliott fir the bill. Whosever between the pipes next year will have to be able to endure this........
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 2, 2022 9:56:26 GMT -6
We don't need a goalie as a mentor who is necessarily all that and a bag of chips, just someone who has been there/done that in the vein of Turco/Emery; there to be a 1B to the kids, 1A if they falter, 2 if one takes the reins, and been through enough that they could call out the skaters when they screw the pooch. Not necessarily a starter. Another go-around for MAF if interested or Holtby would be great, but the concept should not be a vet de facto starter like it was this year. Kids will need crease time as well. Even if we're tanking, I think it wouldn't be the best solution to do a Lankien/Delia/Soderblom/etc. kid rotation. For the development of everyone I think it would be better if, like the last 2 games when Delia/Lankinen were left out to dry because the other 18 players sucked ass (irrespective of their actual play in net), you are able to swap one of them out with someone experienced rather than another kid who's so far out of his depth he needs water wings. Again, cheap, short-term deal. I think Jones or Elliott fir the bill. Whosever between the pipes next year will have to be able to endure this........ That chart almost confirms what I have been saying about their offense. Opposing teams move around to get their scoring chances whereas the Hawks go to set area where they practice and expect the results. I have been saying they don't know how to adjust offensively to the other teams defense. And vice-versa for the defense. This blame, to me, falls on the coaching more than the players.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 2, 2022 11:46:59 GMT -6
Whosever between the pipes next year will have to be able to endure this........ That chart almost confirms what I have been saying about their offense. Opposing teams move around to get their scoring chances whereas the Hawks go to set area where they practice and expect the results. I have been saying they don't know how to adjust offensively to the other teams defense. And vice-versa for the defense. This blame, to me, falls on the coaching more than the players. Coaching is a huge problem, during the Tampa game one of the turtlenecks said Crawford is solely in charge of the D, he definitely needs to go, but a new set of coaches is needed in a rebuild. And you're right, whoever is running the offense doesn't know how to adjust and it becomes easy to defend against. Gutting this team and going with a basic defensive system is the way to go. Makes things easier on the D and forwards, which should help the goalies. The past few years all we've seen is players running around and getting lost out there, that leaves the other team wide open in high scoring areas, plus more screens with all the criss crossing. If KD only signs one of Lanks or Delia I might go with Colin, he seems easy going plus he's 20lbs heavier. When Lanks is off he looks small, plus he loses his net a lot. He was amazing with Finland at the Worlds and stole some games in his first season but he seems to get rattled easily, not good for a goalie.
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Post by Tater on Apr 2, 2022 12:59:04 GMT -6
Coaching is a huge problem, during the Tampa game one of the turtlenecks said Crawford is solely in charge of the D, he definitely needs to go, but a new set of coaches is needed in a rebuild. And you're right, whoever is running the offense doesn't know how to adjust and it becomes easy to defend against. Gutting this team and going with a basic defensive system is the way to go. Makes things easier on the D and forwards, which should help the goalies. The past few years all we've seen is players running around and getting lost out there, that leaves the other team wide open in high scoring areas, plus more screens with all the criss crossing. I still see D-men chasing all the way out to the blue line way too often. Totally agree with simplifying it. Protect the house!
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Post by nighbor on Apr 2, 2022 14:47:23 GMT -6
That chart almost confirms what I have been saying about their offense. Opposing teams move around to get their scoring chances whereas the Hawks go to set area where they practice and expect the results. I have been saying they don't know how to adjust offensively to the other teams defense. And vice-versa for the defense. This blame, to me, falls on the coaching more than the players. Coaching is a huge problem, during the Tampa game one of the turtlenecks said Crawford is solely in charge of the D, he definitely needs to go, but a new set of coaches is needed in a rebuild. And you're right, whoever is running the offense doesn't know how to adjust and it becomes easy to defend against. Gutting this team and going with a basic defensive system is the way to go. Makes things easier on the D and forwards, which should help the goalies. The past few years all we've seen is players running around and getting lost out there, that leaves the other team wide open in high scoring areas, plus more screens with all the criss crossing. If KD only signs one of Lanks or Delia I might go with Colin, he seems easy going plus he's 20lbs heavier. When Lanks is off he looks small, plus he loses his net a lot. He was amazing with Finland at the Worlds and stole some games in his first season but he seems to get rattled easily, not good for a goalie. Lanks is more consistent.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 2, 2022 15:33:36 GMT -6
Coaching is a huge problem, during the Tampa game one of the turtlenecks said Crawford is solely in charge of the D, he definitely needs to go, but a new set of coaches is needed in a rebuild. And you're right, whoever is running the offense doesn't know how to adjust and it becomes easy to defend against. Gutting this team and going with a basic defensive system is the way to go. Makes things easier on the D and forwards, which should help the goalies. The past few years all we've seen is players running around and getting lost out there, that leaves the other team wide open in high scoring areas, plus more screens with all the criss crossing. If KD only signs one of Lanks or Delia I might go with Colin, he seems easy going plus he's 20lbs heavier. When Lanks is off he looks small, plus he loses his net a lot. He was amazing with Finland at the Worlds and stole some games in his first season but he seems to get rattled easily, not good for a goalie. Lanks is more consistent. Not really, he's 21-24-10 with a .902 save percentage. Delia is 9-10-4 with a .905 save percentage. Delia didn't look good in his first start this season but he's been solid in his last 2gms. And Colin looks calmer and bigger, two things a goalie needs.
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 2, 2022 20:25:00 GMT -6
That chart almost confirms what I have been saying about their offense. Opposing teams move around to get their scoring chances whereas the Hawks go to set area where they practice and expect the results. I have been saying they don't know how to adjust offensively to the other teams defense. And vice-versa for the defense. This blame, to me, falls on the coaching more than the players. When Lanks is off he looks small, plus he loses his net a lot. way too early to make any kind've call and to be fair to lankinen he needs way more starts, but he really does look small sometimes. especially when he gets on his pads and hunches so low...if he wanted to make himself any smaller he'd have to start peeling off some gear. and yeah....is it illegal to tether your goalie to the net? both goalies could use one. i'm really not feeling it at the moment that either goalie can handle the starting role next year.
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 3, 2022 13:16:36 GMT -6
Lanks is more consistent. Not really, he's 21-24-10 with a .902 save percentage. Delia is 9-10-4 with a .905 save percentage. Delia didn't look good in his first start this season but he's been solid in his last 2gms. And Colin looks calmer and bigger, two things a goalie needs. Between them both, neither should be gifted the crease; both have to earn it. Granted, our team D sucks like Pamela Anderson at a Motel 6 so it'll be a question of why would anyone want it, but none of the goalies we have have done anything to solidify their starter claim. Even .905 is poor despite the fecal fest in front of them.
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Post by nighbor on Apr 3, 2022 13:17:47 GMT -6
When Lanks is off he looks small, plus he loses his net a lot. way too early to make any kind've call and to be fair to lankinen he needs way more starts, but he really does look small sometimes. especially when he gets on his pads and hunches so low...if he wanted to make himself any smaller he'd have to start peeling off some gear. and yeah....is it illegal to tether your goalie to the net? both goalies could use one. i'm really not feeling it at the moment that either goalie can handle the starting role next year. Making himself look bigger can be corrected with coaching. Personally I would like all goalies to spend more time on their feet especially when the shots are coming from an angle.
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Post by hsbob on Apr 4, 2022 12:13:25 GMT -6
Not really, he's 21-24-10 with a .902 save percentage. Delia is 9-10-4 with a .905 save percentage. Delia didn't look good in his first start this season but he's been solid in his last 2gms. And Colin looks calmer and bigger, two things a goalie needs. Between them both, neither should be gifted the crease; both have to earn it. Granted, our team D sucks like Pamela Anderson at a Motel 6 so it'll be a question of why would anyone want it, but none of the goalies we have have done anything to solidify their starter claim. Even .905 is poor despite the fecal fest in front of them. MAF was .908 and he's a legend and maybe you're right about wanting to be here.......Lankinen looked PISSED OFF leaving the ice and I don't blame him.
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Post by puterwiz62 on Apr 4, 2022 13:48:01 GMT -6
Why not hire Crow to coach and mentor the young goalies. Definitely a complete overhaul of the coaching system needs to happen this summer.
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 4, 2022 16:02:30 GMT -6
Between them both, neither should be gifted the crease; both have to earn it. Granted, our team D sucks like Pamela Anderson at a Motel 6 so it'll be a question of why would anyone want it, but none of the goalies we have have done anything to solidify their starter claim. Even .905 is poor despite the fecal fest in front of them. MAF was .908 and he's a legend and maybe you're right about wanting to be here.......Lankinen looked PISSED OFF leaving the ice and I don't blame him. Correct me if I am wrong, but I though MAF didn't do too well under Coliton, then corrected his game later when he reacted to zero D in front of him.
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 4, 2022 16:03:05 GMT -6
Why not hire Crow to coach and mentor the young goalies. Definitely a complete overhaul of the coaching system needs to happen this summer. I wouldn't be against it, but we don't know if he'll be a good coach.
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Post by steamer on Apr 4, 2022 16:56:40 GMT -6
I like sticking with Lanks for the time being - meaning through next year. He's still pretty green but he seems to have a good attitude. The game winner in OT was a fluke although the Hawks seem to have trouble playing in OT and not sure King has really grasped how to be successful in OT.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 4, 2022 17:25:55 GMT -6
I like sticking with Lanks for the time being - meaning through next year. He's still pretty green but he seems to have a good attitude. The game winner in OT was a fluke although the Hawks seem to have trouble playing in OT and not sure King has really grasped how to be successful in OT. If Delia keeps playing solid like his last 2gms do they bring him back as well?
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 4, 2022 17:42:02 GMT -6
I like sticking with Lanks for the time being - meaning through next year. He's still pretty green but he seems to have a good attitude. The game winner in OT was a fluke although the Hawks seem to have trouble playing in OT and not sure King has really grasped how to be successful in OT. If Delia keeps playing solid like his last 2gms do they bring him back as well? I think that depends on rest of lineup........... Lots of moving parts on this if 88 and 19 were to leave I believe they would do it.
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 4, 2022 17:58:49 GMT -6
MAF was .908 and he's a legend and maybe you're right about wanting to be here.......Lankinen looked PISSED OFF leaving the ice and I don't blame him. Correct me if I am wrong, but I though MAF didn't do too well under Coliton, then corrected his game later when he reacted to zero D in front of him. with JC he was 4.11 and .881 in 8 games. post JC he was 2.72 and .913 in 37 games.
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 4, 2022 18:14:17 GMT -6
Why not hire Crow to coach and mentor the young goalies. Definitely a complete overhaul of the coaching system needs to happen this summer. I wouldn't be against it, but we don't know if he'll be a good coach. exactly. i always hear hossa's name and seabrook's name (among others) bounced around here about what great coaches they'd make but like you say...nobody knows they'd be great coaches just because they were great players. the will to succeed is strong in all the great players but it's also just as strong in many of the 3rd and 4th line players who don't have the talent to rely on to get by with. not saying a great player can't be a good coach but if i had to pick an nhl coach i'd consider picking a marginal player who managed to eke out a long career because he's quite likely very "coachable". and i think coachable players would make good coaches themselves. again, to be clear...hoss, seabs and crow could be outstanding coaches but so could a lot of the lesser lights. jmo. i'd better edit this: i'm not saying hoss, seabs and crow weren't coachable either.
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Post by squishy24 on Apr 4, 2022 20:35:09 GMT -6
I like sticking with Lanks for the time being - meaning through next year. He's still pretty green but he seems to have a good attitude. The game winner in OT was a fluke although the Hawks seem to have trouble playing in OT and not sure King has really grasped how to be successful in OT. If Delia keeps playing solid like his last 2gms do they bring him back as well? If he keeps playing solid like his last 2, i say bring him back. Would might help also if they embrace the tank
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Post by hsbob on Apr 5, 2022 8:25:49 GMT -6
MAF was .908 and he's a legend and maybe you're right about wanting to be here.......Lankinen looked PISSED OFF leaving the ice and I don't blame him. Correct me if I am wrong, but I though MAF didn't do too well under Coliton, then corrected his game later when he reacted to zero D in front of him. The first month was brutal for everyone and even a Vezina winner's a sieve with no help,MAF was better as the year went along as he should be for SEVEN MILLION bucks. Lanks was .909 behind Potter's Chinese fire drill last year because he got playing time,the injury was a set back this year and so was feeding all the games to MAF when we shoulda been assessing the young guys and Lanks looks the worse for it. That SEVEN MILLION should have been used to bring in a bad one or two year deal with good picks attached IMO! Crawford was .917 his last year behind Potter's Chinese fire drill and that was with an even worse D squad.
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Post by BigT on Apr 5, 2022 13:56:32 GMT -6
Correct me if I am wrong, but I though MAF didn't do too well under Coliton, then corrected his game later when he reacted to zero D in front of him. The first month was brutal for everyone and even a Vezina winner's a sieve with no help,MAF was better as the year went along as he should be for SEVEN MILLION bucks. Lanks was .909 behind Potter's Chinese fire drill last year because he got playing time,the injury was a set back this year and so was feeding all the games to MAF when we shoulda been assessing the young guys and Lanks looks the worse for it. That SEVEN MILLION should have been used to bring in a bad one or two year deal with good picks attached IMO! Crawford was .917 his last year behind Potter's Chinese fire drill and that was with an even worse D squad. Personally. I thought MAF made some hilight reel saves this year, but for the most part I thought he was average. He allowed a lot of bad goals and his Save % showed because of it. He is 37. He’s not the guy he once was. I also look at what CC could have offered for a 2 year deal. Especially at 4 million or whatever he wanted. I thought an average goalie could win with the Hawks dynasty. I wasn’t wrong. But after the dynasty was just an old tv show. CC really emerged as a top goalie in the league. He may have been the best his last few years. It’s a crying shame that Scambo did nothing to protect him. When Scambo decided to go for it again this year. Wouldn’t CC at 4 million been much better than Flower at 7? I don’t understand the Hawks point of view there. Or better yet, Scambo’s. He seemed to rebuild when it suited the teams needs. Then he goes nuts and tries to add 3-4 players and everything is alright when the team needed 9-10 players. And he only added in 1-2 decent players that could help. Flower wasn’t one of them. If this was the route, they should have kept CC, and for cheaper. Just a shitty run team under a shitty hockey mind!!!
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Post by steamer on Apr 6, 2022 12:50:57 GMT -6
The CC situation was a debacle and to pay MAF $7mm when you could have kept CC for $4mm is inexcusable. If it’s going to take 5 years to be competitive then no reason to be paying too line $ for goaltending. I think Lanks is serviceable and could have upside. Others have posted the same about Delia who I have seen less of so shouldn’t comment on him. Soderblom? Draft a couple others in the next 2 years?
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 6, 2022 13:37:59 GMT -6
The CC situation was a debacle and to pay MAF $7mm when you could have kept CC for $4mm is inexcusable. If it’s going to take 5 years to be competitive then no reason to be paying too line $ for goaltending. I think Lanks is serviceable and could have upside. Others have posted the same about Delia who I have seen less of so shouldn’t comment on him. Soderblom? Draft a couple others in the next 2 years? Do you think if they kept Crow he'd still be playing this season or retire like he did before playing 1gm in NJ? Or maybe he retires after another year of having JC and a bad defensive team in front of him. It's not like they let Crow walk and got Fleury and his full 7mill right away, they let three young goalies play for a season and realized they need at least one experienced guy back there. So trading Hakkarainen for 1yr of Fleury at 7mill when they had over 20mill in cap space, then get a 2nd round pick and highly improbable 1st, wasn't a bad move. Especially when it gave Lankinen a chance to learn from a future hall of famer. Sign Lanks and Deals to 1yr show me contracts and let them have the net next season.
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Post by hsbob on Apr 7, 2022 13:29:18 GMT -6
The CC situation was a debacle and to pay MAF $7mm when you could have kept CC for $4mm is inexcusable. If it’s going to take 5 years to be competitive then no reason to be paying too line $ for goaltending. I think Lanks is serviceable and could have upside. Others have posted the same about Delia who I have seen less of so shouldn’t comment on him. Soderblom? Draft a couple others in the next 2 years? Do you think if they kept Crow he'd still be playing this season or retire like he did before playing 1gm in NJ? Or maybe he retires after another year of having JC and a bad defensive team in front of him. It's not like they let Crow walk and got Fleury and his full 7mill right away, they let three young goalies play for a season and realized they need at least one experienced guy back there. So trading Hakkarainen for 1yr of Fleury at 7mill when they had over 20mill in cap space, then get a 2nd round pick and highly improbable 1st, wasn't a bad move. Especially when it gave Lankinen a chance to learn from a future hall of famer. Sign Lanks and Deals to 1yr show me contracts and let them have the net next season. Why not? Crawford's the same age as MAF.he was outstanding the last time he played and he had a healthy,concussion-free year.......maybe he stays that way with guys like Jones,McCabe and Stillman added. CC had every intention for playing for NJ,he even had his new mask on social media in late Dec of 20 but Covid was blowin back up in the pre-vaccine days of Jan 2021 and I think he just figured F it instead of moving to play under those circumstances. I highly doubt he retires if he stays and gets the 2nd year he richly dissevered.....my opinion only I guess. Crawford would have been just as good a mentor and has been every bit as good a goaltender throughout his career as MAF! CC wasn't worth seven million for two years but MAF was worth seven million for one year..................my ass. No money retained or sweetener returned when DUMBASS solved LV's cap problem but we retained half to get that 2nd/maybe 1st.......what could we have gotten if the team just used that 7M on a bad contract last summer? At least we woulda had a chance to assess Lanks and Delia a lot more. I wrestle with MAF's massive popularity with the fanbase to be honest.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 7, 2022 14:38:56 GMT -6
Do you think if they kept Crow he'd still be playing this season or retire like he did before playing 1gm in NJ? Or maybe he retires after another year of having JC and a bad defensive team in front of him. It's not like they let Crow walk and got Fleury and his full 7mill right away, they let three young goalies play for a season and realized they need at least one experienced guy back there. So trading Hakkarainen for 1yr of Fleury at 7mill when they had over 20mill in cap space, then get a 2nd round pick and highly improbable 1st, wasn't a bad move. Especially when it gave Lankinen a chance to learn from a future hall of famer. Sign Lanks and Deals to 1yr show me contracts and let them have the net next season. Why not? Crawford's the same age as MAF.he was outstanding the last time he played and he had a healthy,concussion-free year.......maybe he stays that way with guys like Jones,McCabe and Stillman added. CC had every intention for playing for NJ,he even had his new mask on social media in late Dec of 20 but Covid was blowin back up in the pre-vaccine days of Jan 2021 and I think he just figured F it instead of moving to play under those circumstances. I highly doubt he retires if he stays and gets the 2nd year he richly dissevered.....my opinion only I guess. Crawford would have been just as good a mentor and has been every bit as good a goaltender throughout his career as MAF! CC wasn't worth seven million for two years but MAF was worth seven million for one year..................my ass. No money retained or sweetener returned when DUMBASS solved LV's cap problem but we retained half to get that 2nd/maybe 1st.......what could we have gotten if the team just used that 7M on a bad contract last summer? At least we woulda had a chance to assess Lanks and Delia a lot more. I wrestle with MAF's massive popularity with the fanbase to be honest. It's like hear see Crows name and Fleurys and you go on the same rant you've repeated so many times. Get over it, Crow retired and he's done. I wasn't talking shit about Crow so I don't know what TF you're talking about, seems like you just love to bitch and bring up the same shit over and over. It's getting very old. I LOVE CROW, he's a f@cking legend and should have his number retired. I don't give a f@ck if they never retained any of Fleurys contract because like I said, there was over 20mill in cap space and it was only 1yr and it only cost them Hakkarainen, and it turned into a 2nd. You make it sound like every didn't like Crow and we all loved Fleury. And "why not", you honestly think Crow would've stayed after another season in JCs system with Keith and Boqvist "protecting" him? He probably would've had another serious concussion that would've ended his career and possibly ruined his life.
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