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Post by nighbor on Apr 7, 2022 14:51:25 GMT -6
Do you think if they kept Crow he'd still be playing this season or retire like he did before playing 1gm in NJ? Or maybe he retires after another year of having JC and a bad defensive team in front of him. It's not like they let Crow walk and got Fleury and his full 7mill right away, they let three young goalies play for a season and realized they need at least one experienced guy back there. So trading Hakkarainen for 1yr of Fleury at 7mill when they had over 20mill in cap space, then get a 2nd round pick and highly improbable 1st, wasn't a bad move. Especially when it gave Lankinen a chance to learn from a future hall of famer. Sign Lanks and Deals to 1yr show me contracts and let them have the net next season. Why not? Crawford's the same age as MAF.he was outstanding the last time he played and he had a healthy,concussion-free year.......maybe he stays that way with guys like Jones,McCabe and Stillman added. CC had every intention for playing for NJ,he even had his new mask on social media in late Dec of 20 but Covid was blowin back up in the pre-vaccine days of Jan 2021 and I think he just figured F it instead of moving to play under those circumstances. I highly doubt he retires if he stays and gets the 2nd year he richly dissevered.....my opinion only I guess. Crawford would have been just as good a mentor and has been every bit as good a goaltender throughout his career as MAF! CC wasn't worth seven million for two years but MAF was worth seven million for one year..................my ass. No money retained or sweetener returned when DUMBASS solved LV's cap problem but we retained half to get that 2nd/maybe 1st.......what could we have gotten if the team just used that 7M on a bad contract last summer? At least we woulda had a chance to assess Lanks and Delia a lot more. I wrestle with MAF's massive popularity with the fanbase to be honest. We paid for the hardware and were hoping fora miracle repeat. The team was only looking to sign a mentor for one year and if CC would have agreed to a one year deal Stan may have sweetened the pot. Signing 35-37 year old goalies for more than one year is a gamble. Lanks and Delia should have been the starters as both are at the age where it's now or never. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 7, 2022 20:44:36 GMT -6
Sign Lanks and Deals to 1yr show me contracts and let them have the net next season. Disagree. Sign a cheap standby vet a la Turco or Emery and let Lanks, Delia, Soderblom, etc. Fight it out for the 1a position with the expectation that they can rise to the 1 position or fall. We'll want someone seasoned out there in reserve for when the skater core screws the pooch. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 8, 2022 7:23:23 GMT -6
Why not? Crawford's the same age as MAF.he was outstanding the last time he played and he had a healthy,concussion-free year.......maybe he stays that way with guys like Jones,McCabe and Stillman added. CC had every intention for playing for NJ,he even had his new mask on social media in late Dec of 20 but Covid was blowin back up in the pre-vaccine days of Jan 2021 and I think he just figured F it instead of moving to play under those circumstances. I highly doubt he retires if he stays and gets the 2nd year he richly dissevered.....my opinion only I guess. Crawford would have been just as good a mentor and has been every bit as good a goaltender throughout his career as MAF! CC wasn't worth seven million for two years but MAF was worth seven million for one year..................my ass. No money retained or sweetener returned when DUMBASS solved LV's cap problem but we retained half to get that 2nd/maybe 1st.......what could we have gotten if the team just used that 7M on a bad contract last summer? At least we woulda had a chance to assess Lanks and Delia a lot more. I wrestle with MAF's massive popularity with the fanbase to be honest. It's like hear see Crows name and Fleurys and you go on the same rant you've repeated so many times. Get over it, Crow retired and he's done. I wasn't talking shit about Crow so I don't know what TF you're talking about, seems like you just love to bitch and bring up the same shit over and over. It's getting very old. I LOVE CROW, he's a f@cking legend and should have his number retired. I don't give a f@ck if they never retained any of Fleurys contract because like I said, there was over 20mill in cap space and it was only 1yr and it only cost them Hakkarainen, and it turned into a 2nd. You make it sound like every didn't like Crow and we all loved Fleury. And "why not", you honestly think Crow would've stayed after another season in JCs system with Keith and Boqvist "protecting" him? He probably would've had another serious concussion that would've ended his career and possibly ruined his life. Anything that isn't some ass kissing Org supporting bullshit is a rant.....LOFL! Questioning MAF's lofty franchise achievements seems to trigger you too.......he's gone...get over it. Pointing out all the miserable decisions made by the front office might be just bitching to you but the kool aid will sour as the team does, it seems some get more on board the worse things get. CC wanted the 2nd year,so yes,he would have stayed and he was concussion free his last year and played very well.....not a rant just a fact. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 8, 2022 7:38:41 GMT -6
Why not? Crawford's the same age as MAF.he was outstanding the last time he played and he had a healthy,concussion-free year.......maybe he stays that way with guys like Jones,McCabe and Stillman added. CC had every intention for playing for NJ,he even had his new mask on social media in late Dec of 20 but Covid was blowin back up in the pre-vaccine days of Jan 2021 and I think he just figured F it instead of moving to play under those circumstances. I highly doubt he retires if he stays and gets the 2nd year he richly dissevered.....my opinion only I guess. Crawford would have been just as good a mentor and has been every bit as good a goaltender throughout his career as MAF! CC wasn't worth seven million for two years but MAF was worth seven million for one year..................my ass. No money retained or sweetener returned when DUMBASS solved LV's cap problem but we retained half to get that 2nd/maybe 1st.......what could we have gotten if the team just used that 7M on a bad contract last summer? At least we woulda had a chance to assess Lanks and Delia a lot more. I wrestle with MAF's massive popularity with the fanbase to be honest. We paid for the hardware and were hoping fora miracle repeat. The team was only looking to sign a mentor for one year and if CC would have agreed to a one year deal Stan may have sweetened the pot. Signing 35-37 year old goalies for more than one year is a gamble. Lanks and Delia should have been the starters as both are at the age where it's now or never. Hardware? CC had two cups and allowed 25gls in 12 SCF games,MAF watched Murray win the last two for the Pens. Crawford wanted the 2nd year as a show of respect and was willing to go from 6 to 3.5M to stay,he could have been LTRI'd if their were health problems. What "miracle" were we hoping for? Seriously? Was any GT gonna lead THIS team to success this year? I agree with your last sentence...........Lanks and Delia shoulda been the starters THIS year but unfortunately,they only have 24 starts between em. |
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Post by puterwiz62 on Apr 8, 2022 12:11:03 GMT -6
All this and they way the team has been playing shows how much posin is in the organization. The Hawks are a much better team than how thy have been playing. Watching the game last night certainly shows how the players have given up on the organization. The problems in the organization go a lot deeper than just the players and coaches. Time for Wirtz to sell the team as the Wirtz's are clueless when it comes to hockey.
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Post by nighbor on Apr 8, 2022 13:22:38 GMT -6
We paid for the hardware and were hoping fora miracle repeat. The team was only looking to sign a mentor for one year and if CC would have agreed to a one year deal Stan may have sweetened the pot. Signing 35-37 year old goalies for more than one year is a gamble. Lanks and Delia should have been the starters as both are at the age where it's now or never. Hardware? CC had two cups and allowed 25gls in 12 SCF games,MAF watched Murray win the last two for the Pens. Crawford wanted the 2nd year as a show of respect and was willing to go from 6 to 3.5M to stay,he could have been LTRI'd if their were health problems. What "miracle" were we hoping for? Seriously? Was any GT gonna lead THIS team to success this year? I agree with your last sentence...........Lanks and Delia shoulda been the starters THIS year but unfortunately,they only have 24 starts between em. The hardware was the Vezina and miracles are expecting something under impossible circumstances and that includes our situation. |
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Post by nighbor on Apr 8, 2022 14:35:23 GMT -6
All this and they way the team has been playing shows how much posin is in the organization. The Hawks are a much better team than how thy have been playing. Watching the game last night certainly shows how the players have given up on the organization. The problems in the organization go a lot deeper than just the players and coaches. Time for Wirtz to sell the team as the Wirtz's are clueless when it comes to hockey. The players may want a chance at Mr Wright now and begin the rebuild next season as the odds are in our favour rather than 2 seasons from now when the odds may not. A bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush. When Rocky first took over he was seen as the savour as he opened the vault and opened the team up to the fans. The new owner may be like the deceased owner of the Senators who spent to the floor on paper only by trading for players who were owed less than the amount on their contract regardless of talent. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 8, 2022 15:13:49 GMT -6
Do you think if they kept Crow he'd still be playing this season or retire like he did before playing 1gm in NJ? Or maybe he retires after another year of having JC and a bad defensive team in front of him. It's not like they let Crow walk and got Fleury and his full 7mill right away, they let three young goalies play for a season and realized they need at least one experienced guy back there. So trading Hakkarainen for 1yr of Fleury at 7mill when they had over 20mill in cap space, then get a 2nd round pick and highly improbable 1st, wasn't a bad move. Especially when it gave Lankinen a chance to learn from a future hall of famer. Sign Lanks and Deals to 1yr show me contracts and let them have the net next season. Why not? Crawford's the same age as MAF.he was outstanding the last time he played and he had a healthy,concussion-free year.......maybe he stays that way with guys like Jones,McCabe and Stillman added. CC had every intention for playing for NJ,he even had his new mask on social media in late Dec of 20 but Covid was blowin back up in the pre-vaccine days of Jan 2021 and I think he just figured F it instead of moving to play under those circumstances. I highly doubt he retires if he stays and gets the 2nd year he richly dissevered.....my opinion only I guess. Crawford would have been just as good a mentor and has been every bit as good a goaltender throughout his career as MAF! CC wasn't worth seven million for two years but MAF was worth seven million for one year..................my ass. No money retained or sweetener returned when DUMBASS solved LV's cap problem but we retained half to get that 2nd/maybe 1st.......what could we have gotten if the team just used that 7M on a bad contract last summer? At least we woulda had a chance to assess Lanks and Delia a lot more. I wrestle with MAF's massive popularity with the fanbase to be honest. The two issues are independent of each other. I wrote on the threads here when Crawford entered UFA that Bowman should offer him a two year deal. I also support re-signing MAF this summer. Both are very good goalies. It is not disloyal to believe the best course of action right now would be to target MAF. Crawford is retired. Should he want to try to play again, I certainly would support the Hawks offering him a contract as well. How Bowman handled the Crawford situation was unfortunate. But it was not his only poor decision by any stretch. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 9, 2022 9:06:02 GMT -6
Why not? Crawford's the same age as MAF.he was outstanding the last time he played and he had a healthy,concussion-free year.......maybe he stays that way with guys like Jones,McCabe and Stillman added. CC had every intention for playing for NJ,he even had his new mask on social media in late Dec of 20 but Covid was blowin back up in the pre-vaccine days of Jan 2021 and I think he just figured F it instead of moving to play under those circumstances. I highly doubt he retires if he stays and gets the 2nd year he richly dissevered.....my opinion only I guess. Crawford would have been just as good a mentor and has been every bit as good a goaltender throughout his career as MAF! CC wasn't worth seven million for two years but MAF was worth seven million for one year..................my ass. No money retained or sweetener returned when DUMBASS solved LV's cap problem but we retained half to get that 2nd/maybe 1st.......what could we have gotten if the team just used that 7M on a bad contract last summer? At least we woulda had a chance to assess Lanks and Delia a lot more. I wrestle with MAF's massive popularity with the fanbase to be honest. The two issues are independent of each other. I wrote on the threads here when Crawford entered UFA that Bowman should offer him a two year deal. I also support re-signing MAF this summer. Both are very good goalies. It is not disloyal to believe the best course of action right now would be to target MAF. Crawford is retired. Should he want to try to play again, I certainly would support the Hawks offering him a contract as well. How Bowman handled the Crawford situation was unfortunate. But it was not his only poor decision by any stretch. And I'll be careful not to take my anger with how CC was treated out on a first rate person and HoF player like MAF too......I've had my say on the situation. The one thing I don't understand or agree with on your part though, is bringing back a MAF,who can certainly still help a 'good' team and bringing in other vets in an effort to keep the team's record respectable. IMO,top three picks the next two drafts after this summer's are of utmost importance.......especially next summer's from what I continuue to hear. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 9, 2022 9:34:10 GMT -6
The two issues are independent of each other. I wrote on the threads here when Crawford entered UFA that Bowman should offer him a two year deal. I also support re-signing MAF this summer. Both are very good goalies. It is not disloyal to believe the best course of action right now would be to target MAF. Crawford is retired. Should he want to try to play again, I certainly would support the Hawks offering him a contract as well. How Bowman handled the Crawford situation was unfortunate. But it was not his only poor decision by any stretch. And I'll be careful not to take my anger with how CC was treated out on a first rate person and HoF player like MAF too......I've had my say on the situation. The one thing I don't understand or agree with on your part though, is bringing back a MAF,who can certainly still help a 'good' team and bringing in other vets in an effort to keep the team's record respectable. IMO,top three picks the next two drafts after this summer's are of utmost importance.......especially next summer's from what I continuue to hear. This is my thoughts and not MVRs. If he agrees, cool. I want vets to help the room be respectful and get the younger kids moving in a positive direction off the ice. They’re gonna party, we know this. But they need to be held accountable for their actions. I don’t want top notch free agents or someone who is in win now mode. I just want a few vets that can help the younger kids. A newer version of Cullimore, Barnaby, Lapointe etc. they were great vets to have around and help out the kids. I do believe the Hawks need a decent tender. But I’m sure a UFA mid range tendy will be fine for now. You’re bang on and the Hawks need top picks the next few years. I’ve stated many times my plans and how I’d gut this thing. But that’s also just me!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 9, 2022 10:00:50 GMT -6
And I'll be careful not to take my anger with how CC was treated out on a first rate person and HoF player like MAF too......I've had my say on the situation. The one thing I don't understand or agree with on your part though, is bringing back a MAF,who can certainly still help a 'good' team and bringing in other vets in an effort to keep the team's record respectable. IMO,top three picks the next two drafts after this summer's are of utmost importance.......especially next summer's from what I continuue to hear. This is my thoughts and not MVRs. If he agrees, cool. I want vets to help the room be respectful and get the younger kids moving in a positive direction off the ice. They’re gonna party, we know this. But they need to be held accountable for their actions. I don’t want top notch free agents or someone who is in win now mode. I just want a few vets that can help the younger kids. A newer version of Cullimore, Barnaby, Lapointe etc. they were great vets to have around and help out the kids. I do believe the Hawks need a decent tender. But I’m sure a UFA mid range tendy will be fine for now. You’re bang on and the Hawks need top picks the next few years. I’ve stated many times my plans and how I’d gut this thing. But that’s also just me!!! Then picking the vets for this duty is also important. Tyler Johnson makes 5M for two more years and he's old and he's won cups,he's UNTRADABLE and good for little else at this point besides 4th line duties on an awful team. Murphy's 4MX4 deal kicks in next year and McCabe's 4M deal will still have three years left(both will also be HARD to move @that $$$).........throw in Jones' 9.5M and how many vet/mentors can we afford? Even if they dump K&T? I know they'll have to reach the 60M floor,that's why they probably keep Kane and Jones who get em 1/3 of the way there themselves......Johnson and Connolly's 8.5M helps too.....LOFL! If Lanks is redone,I give him,Delia and/or any other young GT in the system the net next year. If one succeeds,great,if not,next year is 'THE' year to tank it seems........possibly a few more too. Can't forget that atop three pick in the 1st is also a top three pick in the 2nd and a top three pick in the 3rd.....ect....ect,this will matter in a deep draft!!!! |
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Post by BigT on Apr 9, 2022 10:31:35 GMT -6
This is my thoughts and not MVRs. If he agrees, cool. I want vets to help the room be respectful and get the younger kids moving in a positive direction off the ice. They’re gonna party, we know this. But they need to be held accountable for their actions. I don’t want top notch free agents or someone who is in win now mode. I just want a few vets that can help the younger kids. A newer version of Cullimore, Barnaby, Lapointe etc. they were great vets to have around and help out the kids. I do believe the Hawks need a decent tender. But I’m sure a UFA mid range tendy will be fine for now. You’re bang on and the Hawks need top picks the next few years. I’ve stated many times my plans and how I’d gut this thing. But that’s also just me!!! Then picking the vets for this duty is also important. Tyler Johnson makes 5M for two more years and he's old and he's won cups,he's UNTRADABLE and good for little else at this point besides 4th line duties on an awful team. Murphy's 4MX4 deal kicks in next year and McCabe's 4M deal will still have three years left(both will also be HARD to move @that $$$).........throw in Jones' 9.5M and how many vet/mentors can we afford? Even if they dump K&T? I know they'll have to reach the 60M floor,that's why they probably keep Kane and Jones who get em 1/3 of the way there themselves......Johnson and Connolly's 8.5M helps too.....LOFL! If Lanks is redone,I give him,Delia and/or any other young GT in the system the net next year. If one succeeds,great,if not,next year is 'THE' year to tank it seems........possibly a few more too. Can't forget that atop three pick in the 1st is also a top three pick in the 2nd and a top three pick in the 3rd.....ect....ect,this will matter in a deep draft!!!! Personally, I try like hell to move Jones, probably both. I find it hard to believe there would have been no team willing to sign him at 9.5 if he was a UFA. Probably don’t recoup what we lost. But I still feel a good prospect and a 2nd rounder could be had for him. Even more of the Hawks take back a bad contract. Probably a lot more. Dallas seems like a decent spot for him. I think they’d pull the trigger. Seth is on pace for almost 60 points. I think there’ll be a taker no problem. He’s only 27. I try to move Murphy. I even eat some of the deal. I’ve heard some things about him. I know a guy who played against him in Sarnia. They said he’s a selfish self entitled prick. No one really likes him. Maybe cuz he thought his old man would push him through. He’s big and thinks he’s too important to fight. He’d be the first guy gone actually. McCabe doesn’t bother me. Seems like he plays the game right and could be a solid leader. I keep him. Even at 4 million I’m not upset with him. Johnson I’d keep. Like you said, why not? Not gonna get much for him anyways. To reach the cap floor. I would look to a guy that’s a shitty UFA and give him a one year 8 million deal. This way I’m not tied down long term, and he plays the one year and fucks off. I reach the cap floor and he gets rich. It’s a win win. I’d hope to have 15+ million on any given year to take on bad contracts and load up. Cap space is the one tool teams have to use as a massive advantage. There’s always a Tampa or Florida or Leaves etc all looking to dump a contract. Take ‘em and good prospects and picks. Load up by trading Toews and Kane. Tank next year. Get either Bedard or Mishkov. If it’s #2. I heavily look to trade the pick as the situation with Russia and the KHL looks grim. He has 2 more years with his KHL team after he’s drafted. So I’d trade him for the 3rd pick and a very very good haul. But that’s just me. Not sure if I’d wanna draft a Russian playing there right now to be honest. That’s my plan in a nut shell. Not saying it’s the best. But it’s better than what was here!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 9, 2022 11:43:43 GMT -6
Then picking the vets for this duty is also important. Tyler Johnson makes 5M for two more years and he's old and he's won cups,he's UNTRADABLE and good for little else at this point besides 4th line duties on an awful team. Murphy's 4MX4 deal kicks in next year and McCabe's 4M deal will still have three years left(both will also be HARD to move @that $$$).........throw in Jones' 9.5M and how many vet/mentors can we afford? Even if they dump K&T? I know they'll have to reach the 60M floor,that's why they probably keep Kane and Jones who get em 1/3 of the way there themselves......Johnson and Connolly's 8.5M helps too.....LOFL! If Lanks is redone,I give him,Delia and/or any other young GT in the system the net next year. If one succeeds,great,if not,next year is 'THE' year to tank it seems........possibly a few more too. Can't forget that atop three pick in the 1st is also a top three pick in the 2nd and a top three pick in the 3rd.....ect....ect,this will matter in a deep draft!!!! Personally, I try like hell to move Jones, probably both. I find it hard to believe there would have been no team willing to sign him at 9.5 if he was a UFA. Probably don’t recoup what we lost. But I still feel a good prospect and a 2nd rounder could be had for him. Even more of the Hawks take back a bad contract. Probably a lot more. Dallas seems like a decent spot for him. I think they’d pull the trigger. Seth is on pace for almost 60 points. I think there’ll be a taker no problem. He’s only 27. I try to move Murphy. I even eat some of the deal. I’ve heard some things about him. I know a guy who played against him in Sarnia. They said he’s a selfish self entitled prick. No one really likes him. Maybe cuz he thought his old man would push him through. He’s big and thinks he’s too important to fight. He’d be the first guy gone actually. McCabe doesn’t bother me. Seems like he plays the game right and could be a solid leader. I keep him. Even at 4 million I’m not upset with him. Johnson I’d keep. Like you said, why not? Not gonna get much for him anyways. To reach the cap floor. I would look to a guy that’s a shitty UFA and give him a one year 8 million deal. This way I’m not tied down long term, and he plays the one year and fucks off. I reach the cap floor and he gets rich. It’s a win win. I’d hope to have 15+ million on any given year to take on bad contracts and load up. Cap space is the one tool teams have to use as a massive advantage. There’s always a Tampa or Florida or Leaves etc all looking to dump a contract. Take ‘em and good prospects and picks. Load up by trading Toews and Kane. Tank next year. Get either Bedard or Mishkov. If it’s #2. I heavily look to trade the pick as the situation with Russia and the KHL looks grim. He has 2 more years with his KHL team after he’s drafted. So I’d trade him for the 3rd pick and a very very good haul. But that’s just me. Not sure if I’d wanna draft a Russian playing there right now to be honest. That’s my plan in a nut shell. Not saying it’s the best. But it’s better than what was here!!! Dallas already pays their top 2 D-men 14M+ and only DUMBASS coulda put a deal together that makes a very good D-man a VERY poor value! Max,term,max $$$,max clauses and a bonus structure that makes a buyout in it's later years worthless. Seth Jones will be 28 with over 650 games already on the odometer when that 9.5MX8,full NMC deal kicks in next October............welcome to the rebuild! McCabe is worth about half his deal but since his name isn't Keith or Seabrook nobody gives AF........he'll only get worse. Tyler Johnson? 5M? Why not? Because his name isn't Toews I guess.............apparently only multiple cup winners can be overpaid. I'll pay 8M if there's good picks attached but not for some jackoff to fuck off. The richest man in Rockford, Brent 'Buyout' Connolly gets another 3.5M next year too but at least we have Failed Borgstrom to show for it. This also seems to bother no one. What do you do with Strome and D-Cat? |
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Post by mvr on Apr 9, 2022 12:07:04 GMT -6
Of course, Big T, those are exactly my thoughts.
Quality older veterans on short term deals help establish boundaries for the kids during a rebuild. This is why re-signing MAF makes sense to me. He won't likely come back regardless, but we can hope. His family is already here.
I accommodate Toews and Kane if they want a trade. Otherwise, they stay until next year's deadline, when conversations about their futures need to be clarified. My guess is that both players will achieve max trade value when their contracts have been mostly paid.
Seth Jones and McCabe have long term contracts with NTC. They stay unless they want out and/or there is a good offer. There won't be many teams interested.
I shop all the others hard. But I don't force any trades.
Realistically, the only trade chips worth anything are Debrincat and Murphy. Neither has to be moved this summer, but both are likely peaking in terms of trade value.
Tyler Johnson and Connelly should be bought out this summer. Borgstrom has a year left on his contract but might best look for an apartment in Rockford or back in Europe. No big loss. Kubalik should book his one-way flight now back home.
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 9, 2022 16:33:42 GMT -6
Why not? Crawford's the same age as MAF.he was outstanding the last time he played and he had a healthy,concussion-free year.......maybe he stays that way with guys like Jones,McCabe and Stillman added. CC had every intention for playing for NJ,he even had his new mask on social media in late Dec of 20 but Covid was blowin back up in the pre-vaccine days of Jan 2021 and I think he just figured F it instead of moving to play under those circumstances. I highly doubt he retires if he stays and gets the 2nd year he richly dissevered.....my opinion only I guess. Crawford would have been just as good a mentor and has been every bit as good a goaltender throughout his career as MAF! CC wasn't worth seven million for two years but MAF was worth seven million for one year..................my ass. No money retained or sweetener returned when DUMBASS solved LV's cap problem but we retained half to get that 2nd/maybe 1st.......what could we have gotten if the team just used that 7M on a bad contract last summer? At least we woulda had a chance to assess Lanks and Delia a lot more. I wrestle with MAF's massive popularity with the fanbase to be honest. We paid for the hardware and were hoping fora miracle repeat. The team was only looking to sign a mentor for one year and if CC would have agreed to a one year deal Stan may have sweetened the pot. Signing 35-37 year old goalies for more than one year is a gamble. Lanks and Delia should have been the starters as both are at the age where it's now or never. Putting this out there: Crawford's 2 Jennings are legit hardware--especially with 2015 one where the team D was starting to freefall into the abyss it in now. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 9, 2022 18:35:52 GMT -6
We paid for the hardware and were hoping fora miracle repeat. The team was only looking to sign a mentor for one year and if CC would have agreed to a one year deal Stan may have sweetened the pot. Signing 35-37 year old goalies for more than one year is a gamble. Lanks and Delia should have been the starters as both are at the age where it's now or never. Putting this out there: Crawford's 2 Jennings are legit hardware--especially with 2015 one where the team D was starting to freefall into the abyss it in now. I still believe the Hawks could have won with not much, and they did. Crawford’s best work came after the Cups. Where I would peg him as the best in the league. The guy was unreal. The Hawks D as you’ve pointed out was on a massive downward spiral. He bailed them out and no one even fought for the guy when he needed them the most. Just disgusting. The management from that era is gone, so let’s hope that this gets rectified. Any Tendy, especially CC should have been treated better!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 9, 2022 21:25:46 GMT -6
Then picking the vets for this duty is also important. Tyler Johnson makes 5M for two more years and he's old and he's won cups,he's UNTRADABLE and good for little else at this point besides 4th line duties on an awful team. Murphy's 4MX4 deal kicks in next year and McCabe's 4M deal will still have three years left(both will also be HARD to move @that $$$).........throw in Jones' 9.5M and how many vet/mentors can we afford? Even if they dump K&T? I know they'll have to reach the 60M floor,that's why they probably keep Kane and Jones who get em 1/3 of the way there themselves......Johnson and Connolly's 8.5M helps too.....LOFL! If Lanks is redone,I give him,Delia and/or any other young GT in the system the net next year. If one succeeds,great,if not,next year is 'THE' year to tank it seems........possibly a few more too. Can't forget that atop three pick in the 1st is also a top three pick in the 2nd and a top three pick in the 3rd.....ect....ect,this will matter in a deep draft!!!! I’ve heard some things about him. I know a guy who played against him in Sarnia. They said he’s a selfish self entitled prick. No one really likes him. Maybe cuz he thought his old man would push him through. He’s big and thinks he’s too important to fight. He’d be the first guy gone actually. his sarnia days were like 10 years ago. and you're citing a guy who played against him? although he has quite a few nhl fights, i'd agree he's not what you'd call a fighter. but if you can find me proof that he said or even hinted that he's "too important to fight", i'll eat another computer. this ones about fucked anyways. : ) murphy (with chicago) 293 games 6.19 blocked shots/60 minutes 6.34 hits/60 minutes hjalmarsson (with chicago) 623 games 5.58 blocked shots/60 minutes 1.54 hits/60 minutes like most everyone here, i'd take nik over murph every time, but it's good to compare numbers because imho they play similar styles. and to stay on topic....lankinen starts tomorrow. : ) |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 9, 2022 23:10:38 GMT -6
We paid for the hardware and were hoping fora miracle repeat. The team was only looking to sign a mentor for one year and if CC would have agreed to a one year deal Stan may have sweetened the pot. Signing 35-37 year old goalies for more than one year is a gamble. Lanks and Delia should have been the starters as both are at the age where it's now or never. Putting this out there: Crawford's 2 Jennings are legit hardware--especially with 2015 one where the team D was starting to freefall into the abyss it in now. 2015 team D was pretty solid just it was done by forwards and 3.5 Dmen. The last 2 games against the bolts that team basically never put the puck in the middle of ice in there zone everything was on the side win the board battle just amazing to watch that discipline. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 10, 2022 8:53:39 GMT -6
I’ve heard some things about him. I know a guy who played against him in Sarnia. They said he’s a selfish self entitled prick. No one really likes him. Maybe cuz he thought his old man would push him through. He’s big and thinks he’s too important to fight. He’d be the first guy gone actually. his sarnia days were like 10 years ago. and you're citing a guy who played against him? although he has quite a few nhl fights, i'd agree he's not what you'd call a fighter. but if you can find me proof that he said or even hinted that he's "too important to fight", i'll eat another computer. this ones about fucked anyways. : ) murphy (with chicago) 293 games 6.19 blocked shots/60 minutes 6.34 hits/60 minutes hjalmarsson (with chicago) 623 games 5.58 blocked shots/60 minutes 1.54 hits/60 minutes like most everyone here, i'd take nik over murph every time, but it's good to compare numbers because imho they play similar styles. and to stay on topic....lankinen starts tomorrow. : ) For what it’s worth. Arizona players were ecstatic to get Hammer. Never really said much about Murphy leaving. On Missing Curfew. Scottie Upshall has said many times that Murphy wasn’t a good guy, and he’s not even gonna mention him anymore on the podcast cuz he doesn’t deserve the airtime. So I add that in with the first hand comments I’ve heard, and he seems to fit the bill. I don’t personally know him and he could be a great guy. He really could be. I don’t think he’s E Kane. But not the most liked guy it seems!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 10, 2022 9:27:00 GMT -6
Putting this out there: Crawford's 2 Jennings are legit hardware--especially with 2015 one where the team D was starting to freefall into the abyss it in now. 2015 team D was pretty solid just it was done by forwards and 3.5 Dmen. The last 2 games against the bolts that team basically never put the puck in the middle of ice in there zone everything was on the side win the board battle just amazing to watch that discipline. Shaw,Kruger and ADJ did a great job against the red hot 'triplets' and Crawford was the stuff of SCF legends. The GREAT Chicago goaltender allowed TWO goals on EIGHTY TWO shots after Tampa went up 2-1 and it was HUGE because the Hawks only scored six themselves in those three monumental games. Tampa lit up the Rags and the King in the ECF for 24 in 6 games after chasing Price in round two before Crawford had Stamkos talking to himself after stoning him time and time again......point blank! Crawford allowed three goals on fifty shots after Boston tied the series 2-2 back in '13' too.......glove hand and all! I thought Q had a stellar series against TB too but it didn't hurt to have a Toews,Hossa,Saad line to send out against TB's best,I'll tell ya that! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 10, 2022 17:07:06 GMT -6
Putting this out there: Crawford's 2 Jennings are legit hardware--especially with 2015 one where the team D was starting to freefall into the abyss it in now. I still believe the Hawks could have won with not much, and they did. Crawford’s best work came after the Cups. Where I would peg him as the best in the league. The guy was unreal. The Hawks D as you’ve pointed out was on a massive downward spiral. He bailed them out and no one even fought for the guy when he needed them the most. Just disgusting. The management from that era is gone, so let’s hope that this gets rectified. Any Tendy, especially CC should have been treated better!!! No netminder walks into a .924 and a Jennings seeing over 30 shots a game. 2015 was the start of Crawford's best and the start of the D downfall. START is the key word there. 2015 was really the last year Crawford and the Team D were pulling the rope in the same direction. After that, he was carrying their carcasses. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 10, 2022 21:28:59 GMT -6
I still believe the Hawks could have won with not much, and they did. Crawford’s best work came after the Cups. Where I would peg him as the best in the league. The guy was unreal. The Hawks D as you’ve pointed out was on a massive downward spiral. He bailed them out and no one even fought for the guy when he needed them the most. Just disgusting. The management from that era is gone, so let’s hope that this gets rectified. Any Tendy, especially CC should have been treated better!!! No netminder walks into a .924 and a Jennings seeing over 30 shots a game. 2015 was the start of Crawford's best and the start of the D downfall. START is the key word there. 2015 was really the last year Crawford and the Team D were pulling the rope in the same direction. After that, he was carrying their carcasses. I think the start of Crows best was in 2013, Crow and Emery were amazing that season, won the Jennings and Crow should've won the Conn Smythe. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 10, 2022 23:00:54 GMT -6
No netminder walks into a .924 and a Jennings seeing over 30 shots a game. 2015 was the start of Crawford's best and the start of the D downfall. START is the key word there. 2015 was really the last year Crawford and the Team D were pulling the rope in the same direction. After that, he was carrying their carcasses. I think the start of Crows best was in 2013, Crow and Emery were amazing that season, won the Jennings and Crow should've won the Conn Smythe. There is a definite argument for 2013. Yes, he should have won the Conn Smythe and he did win the Jennings, but that year the D was still in top form. He was seeing less shots and less quality shots--still impressive though. His numbers had a slight dip in 2014, but once 2015 hit he was starting to see more, higher quality shots and his numbers climbed again. It was the start of the decline of the D and it was his definite emergence because only the rankest of bandwagonner fans could say that he was purely a product of the D in front of him in 2015. He continued those numbers into 2016 as well as the defense started seriously tailing off. IMHO, aside from game 6 against Tampa (for obvious reasons), his best work was pre-injury 2018 season. The Team en masse was almost as horrible as it was this season, but he was posting a .929 and regularly bailing everyone out--including Toews, Keith, and Kane--in spite of none of them standing up for him when he got ran. |
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Post by steamer on Apr 11, 2022 11:45:27 GMT -6
Lanks has been a bit inconsistent and why should we expect much better given the play of his teammates? I would still rather see him again next year than any other alternative.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Apr 11, 2022 14:35:05 GMT -6
Lanks has been a bit inconsistent and why should we expect much better given the play of his teammates? I would still rather see him again next year than any other alternative. I actually think that as bad as the team is, the goalies are the weak link at the moment. Lanks has been absolutely atrocious. Two goals bouncing of his back in recent games. He often seems to be wandering far away from the net for no apparent reason (maybe looking for his car keys?)...anyways, he's been awful. Delia let in a softie as well at the least opportune time. Delia has reached his potential, and it's not even good for an occasional backup. Rebuild or not, I don't believe that the Hawks can plod along with what they have in the net. |
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Post by tincup on Apr 11, 2022 15:40:14 GMT -6
Could have been in “Prospects “ but hopefully it’s a part of the future.
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Post by vadarx on Apr 11, 2022 16:52:56 GMT -6
Could have been in “Prospects “ but hopefully it’s a part of the future. it'd be swell if we could see a similar tweet about Reichel in a few weeks. but, nah. let's waste a year of his elc instead. |
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Post by steamer on Apr 11, 2022 17:41:16 GMT -6
Lanks has been a bit inconsistent and why should we expect much better given the play of his teammates? I would still rather see him again next year than any other alternative. I actually think that as bad the team is, the goalies are the weak link at the moment. Lanks has been absolutely atrocious. Two goals bouncing of his back in recent games. He often seems to be wandering far away from the net for no apparent reason (maybe looking for his car keys?)...anyways, he's been awful. Delia let in a softie as well at the least opportune time. Delia has reached his potential, and it's not even good for an occasional backup. Rebuild or not, I don't believe that the Hawks can plod along with what they have in the net. Maybe Lanks learned those from Fleury who wandered pretty far and also had pucks bounce off his body and in. However MAF could then step up in ways Lanks or Delia will not likely ever be able to do. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 11, 2022 17:52:12 GMT -6
king also said "we could’ve used a couple stops here and there" from lankinen against dallas, and that delia will start against the kings.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 11, 2022 19:54:15 GMT -6
king also said "we could’ve used a couple stops here and there" from lankinen against dallas, and that delia will start against the kings. So King wants them to score 4+ goals a game to get Lanks some wins? He's had many games giving up 4 or more. Funny how he called out the team then called out Lankinen. These coaches need to go. |
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