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Post by hsbob on Jan 26, 2024 11:21:29 GMT -6
In a weird way. I’m just happy none of the Hawks players were involved in this. I believe Raddysh and Katchouk were on that team. I’m not gonna make any comment on what happened. None of us know. But I will comment on the police here. I really hope they have this girls back. Yea she did some things she wished she never did. But for fucks sakes, now she has to face these high priced lawyers that will make her into a gawd dam demon. She settled, and was content. Leave it at that. But to drag this poor woman back into this, they better have her back and support her no matter what the outcome is. If these guys get off of the charges. They better help this girl out. I hope they don’t abandon her if things go south for the prosecution. They’re really asking for a lot at this point. Now this poor girl will be outed and she everyone will know who she is. I hope the police know what their doing!!! Do we know if there was a NDA included with that settlement? Or if she intends to voluntarily testify? I don't think she can be forced to testify,and I don't see much of a case w/o victim testimony. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 26, 2024 15:07:18 GMT -6
In a weird way. I’m just happy none of the Hawks players were involved in this. I believe Raddysh and Katchouk were on that team. I’m not gonna make any comment on what happened. None of us know. But I will comment on the police here. I really hope they have this girls back. Yea she did some things she wished she never did. But for fucks sakes, now she has to face these high priced lawyers that will make her into a gawd dam demon. She settled, and was content. Leave it at that. But to drag this poor woman back into this, they better have her back and support her no matter what the outcome is. If these guys get off of the charges. They better help this girl out. I hope they don’t abandon her if things go south for the prosecution. They’re really asking for a lot at this point. Now this poor girl will be outed and she everyone will know who she is. I hope the police know what their doing!!! Do we know if there was a NDA included with that settlement? Or if she intends to voluntarily testify? I don't think she can be forced to testify,and I don't see much of a case w/o victim testimony. I do not believe an NDA is above the law in Canada. If there’s a crime, it is a crime not to report it. So I do not believe she’s being forced to. I believe she’s agreed to it because the police told her that she’ll see them convicted. And as you say, there will be no chance at a case if there’s no victim testimony. There’s also a chance they get exonerated and nothing comes of this. Now everyone will know who she is and she could be shamed everywhere she goes. The only win here is if she’s the victim and the guys get the slammer. Whether it’s warranted or not. And that’s really sad!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 27, 2024 10:19:40 GMT -6
Do we know if there was a NDA included with that settlement? Or if she intends to voluntarily testify? I don't think she can be forced to testify,and I don't see much of a case w/o victim testimony. I do not believe an NDA is above the law in Canada. If there’s a crime, it is a crime not to report it. So I do not believe she’s being forced to. I believe she’s agreed to it because the police told her that she’ll see them convicted. And as you say, there will be no chance at a case if there’s no victim testimony. There’s also a chance they get exonerated and nothing comes of this. Now everyone will know who she is and she could be shamed everywhere she goes. The only win here is if she’s the victim and the guys get the slammer. Whether it’s warranted or not. And that’s really sad!!! Maybe she's allowed to testify anonymously as a 'Jane Doe'. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 27, 2024 11:15:19 GMT -6
I do not believe an NDA is above the law in Canada. If there’s a crime, it is a crime not to report it. So I do not believe she’s being forced to. I believe she’s agreed to it because the police told her that she’ll see them convicted. And as you say, there will be no chance at a case if there’s no victim testimony. There’s also a chance they get exonerated and nothing comes of this. Now everyone will know who she is and she could be shamed everywhere she goes. The only win here is if she’s the victim and the guys get the slammer. Whether it’s warranted or not. And that’s really sad!!! Maybe she's allowed to testify anonymously as a 'Jane Doe'. Hopefully that could be the case. I just think with the amount of media coverage this is getting, some shit head will out her and I feel bad for her. Even if she wasn’t a “victim” but rather a participant. It’s still her privacy and people just don’t care. They want a story!!! |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jan 27, 2024 18:29:09 GMT -6
Maybe she's allowed to testify anonymously as a 'Jane Doe'. Hopefully that could be the case. I just think with the amount of media coverage this is getting, some shit head will out her and I feel bad for her. Even if she wasn’t a “victim” but rather a participant. It’s still her privacy and people just don’t care. They want a story!!! This may sound cryptic but I’m tight with someone who was known as Witness # (I can’t remember the number but it was in a factor of 3s, as a safety measure) and after the first question was answered in court testimony, the witness’ family was getting phone calls from the press. That was 20 years ago. News took at least 10-15 mins to hit the “wire” then. This girl’s ID is already known in today’s world and the media is not pressing it yet, showing restraint. When this moves toward an actual trial, she’s going to no longer be anonymous in the press, long before any trial goes forward. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 28, 2024 10:12:28 GMT -6
Hopefully that could be the case. I just think with the amount of media coverage this is getting, some shit head will out her and I feel bad for her. Even if she wasn’t a “victim” but rather a participant. It’s still her privacy and people just don’t care. They want a story!!! This may sound cryptic but I’m tight with someone who was known as Witness # (I can’t remember the number but it was in a factor of 3s, as a safety measure) and after the first question was answered in court testimony, the witness’ family was getting phone calls from the press. That was 20 years ago. News took at least 10-15 mins to hit the “wire” then. This girl’s ID is already known in today’s world and the media is not pressing it yet, showing restraint. When this moves toward an actual trial, she’s going to no longer be anonymous in the press, long before any trial goes forward. I'm totally unfamiliar with Canada's laws and they might vary by province,but most US states have passed very strict confidentiality laws allowing accusers/victims of sexual assault to testify anonymously and keep their anonymity. High profile cases are definitely more problematic but even Kyle Beach could have remained 'John Doe' #1 and still got his settlement if he chose to.......'John Doe' #2 has done so. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 28, 2024 10:39:10 GMT -6
Maybe she's allowed to testify anonymously as a 'Jane Doe'. Hopefully that could be the case. I just think with the amount of media coverage this is getting, some shit head will out her and I feel bad for her. Even if she wasn’t a “victim” but rather a participant. It’s still her privacy and people just don’t care. They want a story!!! The problem for the five young(at the time)players the way I see it is,the 'participant' part and how 'willing' of a participant an 18yro who's been fed a large amount of alcohol can be. I'm not sure the age of consent will carry the weight it normally does in this instance either,because 'consent' from an underaged(for alcohol) victim/participant who's inebriated to the point of unconsciousness or close will mean next to nothing and shouldn't. Even if the young accuser willingly went to a player's room and intended to 'consent' with ONE young player she liked or had a crush on,this gives no one the right to feed alcohol to an 18yro and then persuade/coerce the overly-impaired 18yro to take on all comers. If the accuser testifies AND if she's a compelling witness,this could easily be construed as gang-rape. The inebriated part could be a double-edged sword though,how compelling can a witness be if they don't have a good recall of events due to being inebriated. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 28, 2024 11:25:05 GMT -6
Hopefully that could be the case. I just think with the amount of media coverage this is getting, some shit head will out her and I feel bad for her. Even if she wasn’t a “victim” but rather a participant. It’s still her privacy and people just don’t care. They want a story!!! The problem for the five young(at the time)players the way I see it is,the 'participant' part and how 'willing' of a participant an 18yro who's been fed a large amount of alcohol can be. I'm not sure the age of consent will carry the weight it normally does in this instance either,because 'consent' from an underaged(for alcohol) victim/participant who's inebriated to the point of unconsciousness or close will mean next to nothing and shouldn't. Even if the young accuser willingly went to a player's room and intended to 'consent' with ONE young player she liked or had a crush on,this gives no one the right to feed alcohol to an 18yro and then persuade/coerce the overly-impaired 18yro to take on all comers. If the accuser testifies AND if she's a compelling witness,this could easily be construed as gang-rape. The inebriated part could be a double-edged sword though,how compelling can a witness be if they don't have a good recall of events due to being inebriated. There is video too. When this first broke. I believe it was 2 of the guys had taken video of her and asking her if she was “cool with this”. And that at some point she had said she’d need more booze to stay awake. The video was never shown but the audio was apparently out there. I just don’t think nothing good will come out of this. Either she gets thrown under the bus for one night of mistakes. Or the players won’t be convicted, but will have their careers cut short. No one will take them now. The f they did rape her, they deserve all that they get. That’s unacceptable. We had a kid playing for the Spitfires a few years back. Ben Johnson. He went out to a bar, and a young girl (16 I believe) snuck in. She followed him to the bathroom, you can guess what happened next. Then months later he has to return to Ontario for rape charges. He was from the US. There were many many witnesses and they said he raped her in a stall. Now, young drunk kids make mistakes. Now there’s word around here that she regrets sending him away and ruining his life. But again. A lot of hearsay. I’m not sticking up for losers that rape. But not all cases are cut and dry. I’m just hoping for the right result. Rapists need to go away. And liars cannot be the victims!!! |
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 28, 2024 11:55:59 GMT -6
The problem for the five young(at the time)players the way I see it is,the 'participant' part and how 'willing' of a participant an 18yro who's been fed a large amount of alcohol can be. I'm not sure the age of consent will carry the weight it normally does in this instance either,because 'consent' from an underaged(for alcohol) victim/participant who's inebriated to the point of unconsciousness or close will mean next to nothing and shouldn't. Even if the young accuser willingly went to a player's room and intended to 'consent' with ONE young player she liked or had a crush on,this gives no one the right to feed alcohol to an 18yro and then persuade/coerce the overly-impaired 18yro to take on all comers. If the accuser testifies AND if she's a compelling witness,this could easily be construed as gang-rape. The inebriated part could be a double-edged sword though,how compelling can a witness be if they don't have a good recall of events due to being inebriated. There is video too. When this first broke. I believe it was 2 of the guys had taken video of her and asking her if she was “cool with this”. And that at some point she had said she’d need more booze to stay awake. The video was never shown but the audio was apparently out there. I just don’t think nothing good will come out of this. Either she gets thrown under the bus for one night of mistakes. Or the players won’t be convicted, but will have their careers cut short. No one will take them now. The f they did rape her, they deserve all that they get. That’s unacceptable. We had a kid playing for the Spitfires a few years back. Ben Johnson. He went out to a bar, and a young girl (16 I believe) snuck in. She followed him to the bathroom, you can guess what happened next. Then months later he has to return to Ontario for rape charges. He was from the US. There were many many witnesses and they said he raped her in a stall. Now, young drunk kids make mistakes. Now there’s word around here that she regrets sending him away and ruining his life. But again. A lot of hearsay. I’m not sticking up for losers that rape. But not all cases are cut and dry. I’m just hoping for the right result. Rapists need to go away. And liars cannot be the victims!!! Read this article i posted www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/judge-orders-law-firm-to-hand-over-records-evidence-on-alleged-hockey-canada-assault-1.1895563It details the events of what happened. Though im not sure if this is accurate or how credible tsn ca is. From what i can understand. She was ok with having sexual relations with one player, and they did. But afterward, other players came in the room and joined in, and thats when she became uncomfortable. I dont think she was “raped” but i can see how she was somewhat “forced” into the situation. You guys already mentioned that this was already settled with money, years back, and she took it for what i think is exchange for keeping it private. She probably realized that it looks bad on her for putting herself there as well. |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 28, 2024 12:55:52 GMT -6
The problem for the five young(at the time)players the way I see it is,the 'participant' part and how 'willing' of a participant an 18yro who's been fed a large amount of alcohol can be. I'm not sure the age of consent will carry the weight it normally does in this instance either,because 'consent' from an underaged(for alcohol) victim/participant who's inebriated to the point of unconsciousness or close will mean next to nothing and shouldn't. Even if the young accuser willingly went to a player's room and intended to 'consent' with ONE young player she liked or had a crush on,this gives no one the right to feed alcohol to an 18yro and then persuade/coerce the overly-impaired 18yro to take on all comers. If the accuser testifies AND if she's a compelling witness,this could easily be construed as gang-rape. The inebriated part could be a double-edged sword though,how compelling can a witness be if they don't have a good recall of events due to being inebriated. There is video too. When this first broke. I believe it was 2 of the guys had taken video of her and asking her if she was “cool with this”. And that at some point she had said she’d need more booze to stay awake. The video was never shown but the audio was apparently out there. I just don’t think nothing good will come out of this. Either she gets thrown under the bus for one night of mistakes. Or the players won’t be convicted, but will have their careers cut short. No one will take them now. The f they did rape her, they deserve all that they get. That’s unacceptable. We had a kid playing for the Spitfires a few years back. Ben Johnson. He went out to a bar, and a young girl (16 I believe) snuck in. She followed him to the bathroom, you can guess what happened next. Then months later he has to return to Ontario for rape charges. He was from the US. There were many many witnesses and they said he raped her in a stall. Now, young drunk kids make mistakes. Now there’s word around here that she regrets sending him away and ruining his life. But again. A lot of hearsay. I’m not sticking up for losers that rape. But not all cases are cut and dry. I’m just hoping for the right result. Rapists need to go away. And liars cannot be the victims!!! I'm old but not too old to not remember what '16 goin' on 30' looks like,walks like and talks like with half a young,snoot-full but '16' is '16' to a judge and 'I thought she was older' might the accused only defense but it's also basically admitting to statutory rape if 18 or older. I can also recall all the 'trolling' I've done myself and a few poor/alcohol induced decisions along the way,so I don't want to be overly judgmental BUT age/jailbait was always a 'live wire' I wouldn't grab no matter how alluring. Can I say with certainty that I never had consensual relations with a girl under 18 when I was 18 or just over.......not that I recall because that's a LONG time ago. I DO think the ages of the five players should be taken into account here too,they were kids themselves. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 28, 2024 13:52:59 GMT -6
There is video too. When this first broke. I believe it was 2 of the guys had taken video of her and asking her if she was “cool with this”. And that at some point she had said she’d need more booze to stay awake. The video was never shown but the audio was apparently out there. I just don’t think nothing good will come out of this. Either she gets thrown under the bus for one night of mistakes. Or the players won’t be convicted, but will have their careers cut short. No one will take them now. The f they did rape her, they deserve all that they get. That’s unacceptable. We had a kid playing for the Spitfires a few years back. Ben Johnson. He went out to a bar, and a young girl (16 I believe) snuck in. She followed him to the bathroom, you can guess what happened next. Then months later he has to return to Ontario for rape charges. He was from the US. There were many many witnesses and they said he raped her in a stall. Now, young drunk kids make mistakes. Now there’s word around here that she regrets sending him away and ruining his life. But again. A lot of hearsay. I’m not sticking up for losers that rape. But not all cases are cut and dry. I’m just hoping for the right result. Rapists need to go away. And liars cannot be the victims!!! Read this article i posted www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/judge-orders-law-firm-to-hand-over-records-evidence-on-alleged-hockey-canada-assault-1.1895563It details the events of what happened. Though im not sure if this is accurate or how credible tsn ca is. From what i can understand. She was ok with having sexual relations with one player, and they did. But afterward, other players came in the room and joined in, and thats when she became uncomfortable. I dont think she was “raped” but i can see how she was somewhat “forced” into the situation. You guys already mentioned that this was already settled with money, years back, and she took it for what i think is exchange for keeping it private. She probably realized that it looks bad on her for putting herself there as well. Absolutely. She seems ok with the cash settlement. Why drag her further into this? I really think this doesn’t go well for her. And the police in Ontario these days are all lazy shit heads. I hope the proper outcome happens. But I’m telling ya, I think it goes bad. And it didn’t have to!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jan 28, 2024 14:01:20 GMT -6
There is video too. When this first broke. I believe it was 2 of the guys had taken video of her and asking her if she was “cool with this”. And that at some point she had said she’d need more booze to stay awake. The video was never shown but the audio was apparently out there. I just don’t think nothing good will come out of this. Either she gets thrown under the bus for one night of mistakes. Or the players won’t be convicted, but will have their careers cut short. No one will take them now. The f they did rape her, they deserve all that they get. That’s unacceptable. We had a kid playing for the Spitfires a few years back. Ben Johnson. He went out to a bar, and a young girl (16 I believe) snuck in. She followed him to the bathroom, you can guess what happened next. Then months later he has to return to Ontario for rape charges. He was from the US. There were many many witnesses and they said he raped her in a stall. Now, young drunk kids make mistakes. Now there’s word around here that she regrets sending him away and ruining his life. But again. A lot of hearsay. I’m not sticking up for losers that rape. But not all cases are cut and dry. I’m just hoping for the right result. Rapists need to go away. And liars cannot be the victims!!! I'm old but not too old to not remember what '16 goin' on 30' looks like,walks like and talks like with half a young,snoot-full but '16' is '16' to a judge and 'I thought she was older' might the accused only defense but it's also basically admitting to statutory rape if 18 or older. I can also recall all the 'trolling' I've done myself and a few poor/alcohol induced decisions along the way,so I don't want to be overly judgmental BUT age/jailbait was always a 'live wire' I wouldn't grab no matter how alluring. Can I say with certainty that I never had consensual relations with a girl under 18 when I was 18 or just over.......not that I recall because that's a LONG time ago. I DO think the ages of the five players should be taken into account here too,they were kids themselves. I’m pretty sure in Ontario the age of consent is 14. Which is absolutely fucked up. So 16/17 is actually legal here. And she was in a bar. So I agree that you shouldn’t have to card a girl in a bar. Plus many eye witnesses seen her follow Ben into the bathroom. The whole situation sucks. But a lot of things failed in that case!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 28, 2024 17:05:35 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 28, 2024 17:11:30 GMT -6
I'm old but not too old to not remember what '16 goin' on 30' looks like,walks like and talks like with half a young,snoot-full but '16' is '16' to a judge and 'I thought she was older' might the accused only defense but it's also basically admitting to statutory rape if 18 or older. I can also recall all the 'trolling' I've done myself and a few poor/alcohol induced decisions along the way,so I don't want to be overly judgmental BUT age/jailbait was always a 'live wire' I wouldn't grab no matter how alluring. Can I say with certainty that I never had consensual relations with a girl under 18 when I was 18 or just over.......not that I recall because that's a LONG time ago. I DO think the ages of the five players should be taken into account here too,they were kids themselves. I’m pretty sure in Ontario the age of consent is 14. Which is absolutely fucked up. So 16/17 is actually legal here. And she was in a bar. So I agree that you shouldn’t have to card a girl in a bar. Plus many eye witnesses seen her follow Ben into the bathroom. The whole situation sucks. But a lot of things failed in that case!!! canada wide, age of consent is 16. idk how old the girl was, but if under age 16 there's an exception. A 14 or 15 year old can consent to sexual activity as long as the partner is less than five years older and there is no relationship of trust, authority or dependency or any other exploitation of the young person. This means that if the partner is 5 years or older than the 14 or 15 year old, any sexual activity is a criminal offence.www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/clp/faq.html#:~:text=Canada%27s%20age%20of%20consent,legally%20agree%20to%20sexual%20activity. |
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Post by tincup on Jan 30, 2024 16:00:52 GMT -6
Read this article i posted www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/judge-orders-law-firm-to-hand-over-records-evidence-on-alleged-hockey-canada-assault-1.1895563It details the events of what happened. Though im not sure if this is accurate or how credible tsn ca is. From what i can understand. She was ok with having sexual relations with one player, and they did. But afterward, other players came in the room and joined in, and thats when she became uncomfortable. I dont think she was “raped” but i can see how she was somewhat “forced” into the situation. You guys already mentioned that this was already settled with money, years back, and she took it for what i think is exchange for keeping it private. She probably realized that it looks bad on her for putting herself there as well. Absolutely. She seems ok with the cash settlement. Why drag her further into this? I really think this doesn’t go well for her. And the police in Ontario these days are all lazy shit heads. I hope the proper outcome happens. But I’m telling ya, I think it goes bad. And it didn’t have to!!!The plaintiff is satisfied with the outcome and relieved that this difficult matter has been concluded,” Talach wrote in an email to TSN on Tuesday. “She has nothing further to add and, consistent with her expressed wishes and behaviour throughout, requests that her privacy and desire not to be identified continues to be respected.” From May of 2022… The plaintiff, identified in court records as “E.M.” asked a judge to award $3.55 million, including $2 million for past and future pecuniary damages, $1 million for punitive damages, $300,000 for pain and suffering, and $50,000 for mental and emotional stress. Robert Talach, the plaintiff’s London-based lawyer, confirmed to TSN his client accepted a settlement in the case. He refused to say whether the woman had signed a non-disclosure agreement as part of her settlement. “The plaintiff is satisfied with the outcome and relieved that this difficult matter has been concluded,” Talach wrote in an email to TSN on Tuesday. “She has nothing further to add and, consistent with her expressed wishes and behaviour throughout, requests that her privacy and desire not to be identified continues to be respected.” From Jan. 30/2024 After the initial closing of the investigation, Hockey Canada began to receive backlash from Canada's political figures and sponsors, in addition to fans of the sport. Canada’s minister of sport, Pascale St-Onge, announced that federal funding for the organization was to be frozen until the organization signed on with the Office of the Sport Integrity Commissioner (OSIC) and provided detailed plans on implementing change to prohibit actions like those that allegedly happened in 2018 from occurring again. Corporate sponsors of Hockey Canada, such as Scotiabank, TELUS, Canadian Tire, Tim Hortons, and Imperial Oil (Esso) paused sponsorships that were planned out for the World Juniors until change occurred with the organization. As a result, Hockey Canada signed onto OSIC and reopened its investigation in July. Hockey Canada admitted that they "have not done enough to address the actions of some members of the 2018 National Junior Team, or to end the culture of toxic behavior within our game." Probably should have been handled in a legal way originally, now with politicians and money involved, it’ll be a complete spectacle. |
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Post by squishy24 on Jan 30, 2024 16:19:30 GMT -6
Absolutely. She seems ok with the cash settlement. Why drag her further into this? I really think this doesn’t go well for her. And the police in Ontario these days are all lazy shit heads. I hope the proper outcome happens. But I’m telling ya, I think it goes bad. And it didn’t have to!!!The plaintiff is satisfied with the outcome and relieved that this difficult matter has been concluded,” Talach wrote in an email to TSN on Tuesday. “She has nothing further to add and, consistent with her expressed wishes and behaviour throughout, requests that her privacy and desire not to be identified continues to be respected.” From May of 2022… The plaintiff, identified in court records as “E.M.” asked a judge to award $3.55 million, including $2 million for past and future pecuniary damages, $1 million for punitive damages, $300,000 for pain and suffering, and $50,000 for mental and emotional stress. Robert Talach, the plaintiff’s London-based lawyer, confirmed to TSN his client accepted a settlement in the case. He refused to say whether the woman had signed a non-disclosure agreement as part of her settlement. “The plaintiff is satisfied with the outcome and relieved that this difficult matter has been concluded,” Talach wrote in an email to TSN on Tuesday. “She has nothing further to add and, consistent with her expressed wishes and behaviour throughout, requests that her privacy and desire not to be identified continues to be respected.” From Jan. 30/2024 After the initial closing of the investigation, Hockey Canada began to receive backlash from Canada's political figures and sponsors, in addition to fans of the sport. Canada’s minister of sport, Pascale St-Onge, announced that federal funding for the organization was to be frozen until the organization signed on with the Office of the Sport Integrity Commissioner (OSIC) and provided detailed plans on implementing change to prohibit actions like those that allegedly happened in 2018 from occurring again. Corporate sponsors of Hockey Canada, such as Scotiabank, TELUS, Canadian Tire, Tim Hortons, and Imperial Oil (Esso) paused sponsorships that were planned out for the World Juniors until change occurred with the organization. As a result, Hockey Canada signed onto OSIC and reopened its investigation in July. Hockey Canada admitted that they "have not done enough to address the actions of some members of the 2018 National Junior Team, or to end the culture of toxic behavior within our game." Probably should have been handled in a legal way originally, now with politicians and money involved, it’ll be a complete spectacle. I know nothing of Canada laws, but if there were money settlement involves in exhange for privacy (for anyone involved) shouldnt that mean the case is closed? Can they force her to testify? Does she need to give the money back? |
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Post by tincup on Jan 30, 2024 17:07:15 GMT -6
From May of 2022… The plaintiff, identified in court records as “E.M.” asked a judge to award $3.55 million, including $2 million for past and future pecuniary damages, $1 million for punitive damages, $300,000 for pain and suffering, and $50,000 for mental and emotional stress. Robert Talach, the plaintiff’s London-based lawyer, confirmed to TSN his client accepted a settlement in the case. He refused to say whether the woman had signed a non-disclosure agreement as part of her settlement. “The plaintiff is satisfied with the outcome and relieved that this difficult matter has been concluded,” Talach wrote in an email to TSN on Tuesday. “She has nothing further to add and, consistent with her expressed wishes and behaviour throughout, requests that her privacy and desire not to be identified continues to be respected.” From Jan. 30/2024 After the initial closing of the investigation, Hockey Canada began to receive backlash from Canada's political figures and sponsors, in addition to fans of the sport. Canada’s minister of sport, Pascale St-Onge, announced that federal funding for the organization was to be frozen until the organization signed on with the Office of the Sport Integrity Commissioner (OSIC) and provided detailed plans on implementing change to prohibit actions like those that allegedly happened in 2018 from occurring again. Corporate sponsors of Hockey Canada, such as Scotiabank, TELUS, Canadian Tire, Tim Hortons, and Imperial Oil (Esso) paused sponsorships that were planned out for the World Juniors until change occurred with the organization. As a result, Hockey Canada signed onto OSIC and reopened its investigation in July. Hockey Canada admitted that they "have not done enough to address the actions of some members of the 2018 National Junior Team, or to end the culture of toxic behavior within our game." Probably should have been handled in a legal way originally, now with politicians and money involved, it’ll be a complete spectacle. I know nothing of Canada laws, but if there were money settlement involves in exhange for privacy (for anyone involved) shouldnt that mean the case is closed? Can they force her to testify? Does she need to give the money back? There are civil courts where a private citizen or such can sue and there are criminal courts where the government,“The Crown “, brings legal charges. On a criminal charge, even if the plaintiff wishes to withdraw the Crown can continue to prosecute. Seems in this case the London police either didn’t have enough evidence, didn’t try all that hard to investigate or were dissuaded from laying criminal charges, possibly by the settlement. I’m not sure if the original plaintiff wished to open this up again. It seems more of a backlash from several invested groups that wished to revisit this. If the charges were valid they should have been dealt with at the time as befits such serious allegations. Now it’ll become a showcase for various political and partisan groups maneuvering to take advantage of the notoriety of the case. None of the allegations have been tested in a courtroom yet but public sentiment has likely already convicted these men. No trial before 2026 seems absurd. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 30, 2024 17:54:25 GMT -6
It should mean it’s closed. But due to a few talking heads. They won’t allow it. Now they’re charging them. I feel bad for her to go through this again. Even if she was a willing participant. And by all the old reports. It sounds like she was. And all of that will get brought up in court and now she’ll feel like the whore of Babylon. Once she accepted money, it should’ve been done with. Now they have to rehash all the bad or good memories. I’m not a fan of that. That girl deserves her privacy. Just leave it alone already. If it was rape, then I fully agree they should pay the price. But it sounds more like regret. The info is out there!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 30, 2024 20:49:47 GMT -6
if you recall, back on january 23rd when dube first asked for a leave of absence, it was to "attend to his mental health" and that he was "under the care of health professionals".
if the statement the flames released is true, i'm sure they can't be too happy with dube's reason at the time. not sure why he just didn't say it was for "personal reasons".
just a bad scene all around. i feel bad for everyone involved including the hockey players. just dumb fucking teenagers whose careers could possibly be ruined over a night of stupidity. put in that exact position,i can't say for sure that i'd know better at that age.
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Post by jacksalmon on Jan 31, 2024 8:14:22 GMT -6
I don't know one damn thing about this incident. Is there any compelling, mostly unrefutable, except in the eyes of morons, evidence that tells one that these guys are guilty of some sexual assault crime? Or is the progresss of the prosecution mired in contradictory evidence and numerous versions of the event? I wouldn't mind spending a few minutes reading what you all tell me here before I get back to wasting my time on what I usually waste it on.
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Post by BigT on Feb 5, 2024 8:09:17 GMT -6
I don't know one damn thing about this incident. Is there any compelling, mostly unrefutable, except in the eyes of morons, evidence that tells one that these guys are guilty of some sexual assault crime? Or is the progresss of the prosecution mired in contradictory evidence and numerous versions of the event? I wouldn't mind spending a few minutes reading what you all tell me here before I get back to wasting my time on what I usually waste it on. Unfortunately Jack, we will all find out soon enough. A while back, there was transcripts of video taken with her. A few were out there. She said in one that she was ok with it. And in another she said she’d need more booze to stay awake for it. So for her sake. Even if she was a willing participant. She deserves her privacy. And the feel the police have an axe to grind and are looking to make an example of these guys. A man will go to great lengths to protect his freedom. So they’ll have 5 high priced law firms to contend with. There could be more info out there on this. Like more video etc. I just don’t think this goes well for her, and it didn’t have to be this way. She accepted the settlement, it’s time to move on. Now, she it’s all the evidence against her, she’ll look awful in this. Imagine if she has a boyfriend right now? That doesn’t go over well with him I’d think. Since this was already settled. I think it’s best for all sides just to move on. But the police felt the pressure to do something because some people complained on their twitter feed. And we all know that the minority see to rule these days!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 5, 2024 9:44:48 GMT -6
'E.M.',as the accuser in this case is referred to,is the NINTH young women 'Hockey Canada' has settled with since 1989 over allegations of sexual misconduct on the part of it's teenage players.....the NINTH! Could this embarrassing track-record be what put pressure on the police and authorities to not just let em pay-up and move on again this time?
All five young players deserve the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and all five were teenagers themselves at the time of the incident as well. From the time I personally spent in Canada,I recall liquor being more regulated and less convenient to get than here in the states with 'Provincial' liquor stores controlling supplies but that was back in the 80's. Maybe things have changed but how in the hell do a room-full of teenagers get their hands on all the alcohol they can drink with NO adult noticing? After all the past problems? Who was the "well dressed,older man" feeding teenaged 'E.M.' alcohol before she even ended-up in that room?
All of the evidence that's been leaked so far(texts/videos),seems to vindicate the players as far as 'consent' goes,but it's the 'context' of that evidence that matters once in court,under oath. That evidence may indeed clear the five,young(at the time)players but how would our perception of these players change if they were NBA or NFL players?
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Post by nighbor on Feb 5, 2024 10:57:23 GMT -6
'E.M.',as the accuser in this case is referred to,is the NINTH young women 'Hockey Canada' has settled with since 1989 over allegations of sexual misconduct on the part of it's teenage players.....the NINTH! Could this embarrassing track-record be what put pressure on the police and authorities to not just let em pay-up and move on again this time? All five young players deserve the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and all five were teenagers themselves at the time of the incident as well. From the time I personally spent in Canada,I recall liquor being more regulated and less convenient to get than here in the states with 'Provincial' liquor stores controlling supplies but that was back in the 80's. Maybe things have changed but how in the hell do a room-full of teenagers get their hands on all the alcohol they can drink with NO adult noticing? After all the past problems? Who was the "well dressed,older man" feeding teenaged 'E.M.' alcohol before she even ended-up in that room? All of the evidence that's been leaked so far(texts/videos),seems to vindicate the players as far as 'consent' goes,but it's the 'context' of that evidence that matters once in court,under oath. That evidence may indeed clear the five,young(at the time)players but how would our perception of these players change if they were NBA or NFL players? Liquor is still regulated. Young people use delivery services to get their booze. A woman under the influence cannot consent. Five strong conditioned athletes versus one young girl are not very good odds. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 5, 2024 11:42:01 GMT -6
'E.M.',as the accuser in this case is referred to,is the NINTH young women 'Hockey Canada' has settled with since 1989 over allegations of sexual misconduct on the part of it's teenage players.....the NINTH! Could this embarrassing track-record be what put pressure on the police and authorities to not just let em pay-up and move on again this time? All five young players deserve the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and all five were teenagers themselves at the time of the incident as well. From the time I personally spent in Canada,I recall liquor being more regulated and less convenient to get than here in the states with 'Provincial' liquor stores controlling supplies but that was back in the 80's. Maybe things have changed but how in the hell do a room-full of teenagers get their hands on all the alcohol they can drink with NO adult noticing? After all the past problems? Who was the "well dressed,older man" feeding teenaged 'E.M.' alcohol before she even ended-up in that room? All of the evidence that's been leaked so far(texts/videos),seems to vindicate the players as far as 'consent' goes,but it's the 'context' of that evidence that matters once in court,under oath. That evidence may indeed clear the five,young(at the time)players but how would our perception of these players change if they were NBA or NFL players? Only have to be 19 to drink, and booze is still heavily regulated. Only smaller towns are allowed to have alcohol sold in corner stores in Ontario. Actually Ontario is by far the most restrictive on alcohol. Hockey Canada has done a piss poor job over the years on this subject. A terrible job. The OHL ain’t too far behind. It seems no one wants to be the bad guy and stop this from happening. I could be wrong, but I believe E.M was also 19 at the time. So all parties were legal drinking age and age of consent. I don’t know what more she could get from this? I would bet a lot that even if the 5 men are found guilty. Their sentences will be light, and more than likely minimum jail time, community service and have to reach out to kids and do speeches on what they did and learned. We do not have a tough criminal system here. People that rape and kill a child are out in under 15 years. A kid stole a car, drunk and high, killed my cousin and literally got 5 years. I don’t see these kids getting too much, this is why I think it’s best to call out hockey Canada, and sewer them for paying off women. The best thing to do would be to turn it over to the police and throw the boys under the bus. No more money should be given out. If they accuse them, then why not go to the cops instead of hockey Canada? It doesn’t seem right to me. The whole thing reeks of corruption!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 5, 2024 17:06:31 GMT -6
'E.M.',as the accuser in this case is referred to,is the NINTH young women 'Hockey Canada' has settled with since 1989 over allegations of sexual misconduct on the part of it's teenage players.....the NINTH! Could this embarrassing track-record be what put pressure on the police and authorities to not just let em pay-up and move on again this time? All five young players deserve the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and all five were teenagers themselves at the time of the incident as well. From the time I personally spent in Canada,I recall liquor being more regulated and less convenient to get than here in the states with 'Provincial' liquor stores controlling supplies but that was back in the 80's. Maybe things have changed but how in the hell do a room-full of teenagers get their hands on all the alcohol they can drink with NO adult noticing? After all the past problems? Who was the "well dressed,older man" feeding teenaged 'E.M.' alcohol before she even ended-up in that room? All of the evidence that's been leaked so far(texts/videos),seems to vindicate the players as far as 'consent' goes,but it's the 'context' of that evidence that matters once in court,under oath. That evidence may indeed clear the five,young(at the time)players but how would our perception of these players change if they were NBA or NFL players? Only have to be 19 to drink, and booze is still heavily regulated. Only smaller towns are allowed to have alcohol sold in corner stores in Ontario. Actually Ontario is by far the most restrictive on alcohol. I could be wrong, but I believe E.M was also 19 at the time. So all parties were legal drinking age and age of consent. whether or not it makes any difference, it mentions she was just 18 towards the end of this article. lfpress.com/sports/local-sports/international-media-eyes-london-courthouse-as-hockey-players-case-opens |
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Post by jaty84 on Feb 6, 2024 3:16:39 GMT -6
I don't know one damn thing about this incident. Is there any compelling, mostly unrefutable, except in the eyes of morons, evidence that tells one that these guys are guilty of some sexual assault crime? Or is the progresss of the prosecution mired in contradictory evidence and numerous versions of the event? I wouldn't mind spending a few minutes reading what you all tell me here before I get back to wasting my time on what I usually waste it on. Unfortunately Jack, we will all find out soon enough. A while back, there was transcripts of video taken with her. A few were out there. She said in one that she was ok with it. And in another she said she’d need more booze to stay awake for it. So for her sake. Even if she was a willing participant. She deserves her privacy. And the feel the police have an axe to grind and are looking to make an example of these guys. A man will go to great lengths to protect his freedom. So they’ll have 5 high priced law firms to contend with. There could be more info out there on this. Like more video etc. I just don’t think this goes well for her, and it didn’t have to be this way. She accepted the settlement, it’s time to move on. Now, she it’s all the evidence against her, she’ll look awful in this. Imagine if she has a boyfriend right now? That doesn’t go over well with him I’d think. Since this was already settled. I think it’s best for all sides just to move on. But the police felt the pressure to do something because some people complained on their twitter feed. And we all know that the minority see to rule these days!!! I don't know how it's regulated in your country, but over here in Europe, the victim and its intentions, settlements, etc. do not have impact on the prosecutor to decide whether to sue the potential offender or not. The laws are regulating what is not allowed and what are criminal acts. In case there is a criminal act, the prosecutor has an obligation to pursue the issue. In this specific case, even when it most probably would be best for everyone not to continue in this process, it would be IMHO a very bad message to society itself. The message would be that if you're rich you can buyout yourself from a potential criminal prosecution. I don't think I need to further elaborate on potential impacts of such a message... |
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Post by BigT on Feb 6, 2024 6:55:46 GMT -6
I see what you’re saying Jaty. I can’t really argue it. The police in London came out yesterday and apologized to the “female involved” for taking years to finally do something. The problem is the police and justice system is dead. There’s no spine. The rats are running free here.
I’m not saying the 5 individuals are rats. But if they’re convicted, they’ll get nothing. They’ll say “we took into account their age at the time, it was their first offence, and they willingly turned themselves in”. Then they’ll say something along the lines that you said. “ While the punishment isn’t severe like many wanted, we feel it was quick and swift and we can put this behind us. However the public can now rest assured that we will do the right thing”.
Now hockey Canada will be losers and not take accountability. They’ll go totally woke and act like a victim here. Once again, the rats are running free. They’ll spread there social disease and we’ll get nowhere in all of this.
I also feel that the police felt immense pressure to do something. So what did they do? They pressured the girl to move forward with this. Knowing well that there are videos of the event. All indications point to the girl not moving forward with this. The police let her down originally. Now they talk her into this and life will get harder. The police service should be facing massive scrutiny and terminations for this. They should have investigated back when she first complained 6 years ago!!!
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Post by hsbob on Feb 6, 2024 10:24:04 GMT -6
'E.M.',as the accuser in this case is referred to,is the NINTH young women 'Hockey Canada' has settled with since 1989 over allegations of sexual misconduct on the part of it's teenage players.....the NINTH! Could this embarrassing track-record be what put pressure on the police and authorities to not just let em pay-up and move on again this time? All five young players deserve the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and all five were teenagers themselves at the time of the incident as well. From the time I personally spent in Canada,I recall liquor being more regulated and less convenient to get than here in the states with 'Provincial' liquor stores controlling supplies but that was back in the 80's. Maybe things have changed but how in the hell do a room-full of teenagers get their hands on all the alcohol they can drink with NO adult noticing? After all the past problems? Who was the "well dressed,older man" feeding teenaged 'E.M.' alcohol before she even ended-up in that room? All of the evidence that's been leaked so far(texts/videos),seems to vindicate the players as far as 'consent' goes,but it's the 'context' of that evidence that matters once in court,under oath. That evidence may indeed clear the five,young(at the time)players but how would our perception of these players change if they were NBA or NFL players? Liquor is still regulated. Young people use delivery services to get their booze. A woman under the influence cannot consent. Five strong conditioned athletes versus one young girl are not very good odds. Your last three sentences will be the three 'pillars' of the prosecution's case IMO,the last sentence being a 'gray' area,also JMO. Since there were no reported physical injuries or restrength,a jury will have to decide if those five 'strong' players intimidated or bullied the victim into compliance or if she was simply talked into it and had regrets afterward. Even then,it'll circle back to your point of 'consent',as will the entire trial. All the teenagers in the room that night were under the influence after celebrating a victory from what I gathered so far,was the young woman too impaired to make the judgement of 'consent'? This will have to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 7, 2024 5:34:12 GMT -6
Liquor is still regulated. Young people use delivery services to get their booze. A woman under the influence cannot consent. Five strong conditioned athletes versus one young girl are not very good odds. Your last three sentences will be the three 'pillars' of the prosecution's case IMO,the last sentence being a 'gray' area,also JMO. Since there were no reported physical injuries or restrength,a jury will have to decide if those five 'strong' players intimidated or bullied the victim into compliance or if she was simply talked into it and had regrets afterward. Even then,it'll circle back to your point of 'consent',as will the entire trial. All the teenagers in the room that night were under the influence after celebrating a victory from what I gathered so far,was the young woman too impaired to make the judgement of 'consent'? This will have to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. That applies to "criminal" cases as this one will be. Previous it was a "civil" case where proof is not required. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 7, 2024 12:07:23 GMT -6
Liquor is still regulated. Young people use delivery services to get their booze. A woman under the influence cannot consent. Five strong conditioned athletes versus one young girl are not very good odds. Your last three sentences will be the three 'pillars' of the prosecution's case IMO,the last sentence being a 'gray' area,also JMO. Since there were no reported physical injuries or restrength,a jury will have to decide if those five 'strong' players intimidated or bullied the victim into compliance or if she was simply talked into it and had regrets afterward. Even then,it'll circle back to your point of 'consent',as will the entire trial. All the teenagers in the room that night were under the influence after celebrating a victory from what I gathered so far,was the young woman too impaired to make the judgement of 'consent'? This will have to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. I don’t believe they were celebrating the victory. It was just a Hockey Canada gala. It probably makes no difference in the outcome. However, they were definitely celebrating!!! |
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