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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 2, 2022 17:44:08 GMT -6
I do not believe that was the major reason the Bolts traded for Hagel. They needed good players on a low cap hit as they will have some tough decisions coming up here shortly and will lose more players both at the NHL roster and AHL levels. The Hawks will really win this trade IF KD can cash in on those 2 first round picks. i'm sure many here have heard about the 8 players on the 2017/18 canadian world junior roster that were accused of sexually assaulting a woman in june of 2018. anyways, it was settled out of court just a few days back so we may never know which players were involved. www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada-chl-settle-lawsuit-over-alleged-sexual-assault-involving-world-junior-players-1.1804861anyways, both raddysh and katchouk were on that team. this is total speculation on my part but does tampa know something we don't? fwiw, makar's agent has already came out and said that makar wasn't involved. hopefully one day raddysh's and katchouk's names are cleared of these charges. but yeah....the winner/loser of this trade won't be determined for a long time yet. jmo. |
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Post by steamer on Jun 2, 2022 18:08:49 GMT -6
I do not believe that was the major reason the Bolts traded for Hagel. They needed good players on a low cap hit as they will have some tough decisions coming up here shortly and will lose more players both at the NHL roster and AHL levels. The Hawks will really win this trade IF KD can cash in on those 2 first round picks. i'm sure many here have heard about the 8 players on the 2017/18 canadian world junior roster that were accused of sexually assaulting a woman in june of 2018. anyways, it was settled out of court just a few days back so we may never know which players were involved. www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada-chl-settle-lawsuit-over-alleged-sexual-assault-involving-world-junior-players-1.1804861anyways, both raddysh and katchouk were on that team. this is total speculation on my part but does tampa know something we don't? fwiw, makar's agent has already came out and said that makar wasn't involved. hopefully one day raddysh's and katchouk's names are cleared of this b.s. but yeah....the winner/loser of this trade won't be determined for a long time yet. jmo. I hope it remains total speculation. That’s the last thing we need! |
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Post by tincup on Jun 2, 2022 20:44:11 GMT -6
I do not believe that was the major reason the Bolts traded for Hagel. They needed good players on a low cap hit as they will have some tough decisions coming up here shortly and will lose more players both at the NHL roster and AHL levels. The Hawks will really win this trade IF KD can cash in on those 2 first round picks. i'm sure many here have heard about the 8 players on the 2017/18 canadian world junior roster that were accused of sexually assaulting a woman in june of 2018. anyways, it was settled out of court just a few days back so we may never know which players were involved. www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada-chl-settle-lawsuit-over-alleged-sexual-assault-involving-world-junior-players-1.1804861anyways, both raddysh and katchouk were on that team. this is total speculation on my part but does tampa know something we don't? fwiw, makar's agent has already came out and said that makar wasn't involved. hopefully one day raddysh's and katchouk's names are cleared of this b.s. but yeah....the winner/loser of this trade won't be determined for a long time yet. jmo. It won't end with the settlement. There's already calls for government to force the CHL to investigate further. Names will undoubtedly be outed, leaked or otherwise. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 2, 2022 20:52:52 GMT -6
i'm sure many here have heard about the 8 players on the 2017/18 canadian world junior roster that were accused of sexually assaulting a woman in june of 2018. anyways, it was settled out of court just a few days back so we may never know which players were involved. www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada-chl-settle-lawsuit-over-alleged-sexual-assault-involving-world-junior-players-1.1804861anyways, both raddysh and katchouk were on that team. this is total speculation on my part but does tampa know something we don't? fwiw, makar's agent has already came out and said that makar wasn't involved. hopefully one day raddysh's and katchouk's names are cleared of this b.s. but yeah....the winner/loser of this trade won't be determined for a long time yet. jmo. It won't end with the settlement. There's already calls for government to force the CHL to investigate further. Names will undoubtedly be outed, leaked or otherwise. i didn't know that. i wonder if it matters if the accuser signed an NDA? (i've never been able to pass that bloody bar exam.) |
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Post by tincup on Jun 2, 2022 20:55:45 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Jun 2, 2022 20:58:25 GMT -6
i'm sure many here have heard about the 8 players on the 2017/18 canadian world junior roster that were accused of sexually assaulting a woman in june of 2018. anyways, it was settled out of court just a few days back so we may never know which players were involved. www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada-chl-settle-lawsuit-over-alleged-sexual-assault-involving-world-junior-players-1.1804861anyways, both raddysh and katchouk were on that team. this is total speculation on my part but does tampa know something we don't? fwiw, makar's agent has already came out and said that makar wasn't involved. hopefully one day raddysh's and katchouk's names are cleared of this b.s. but yeah....the winner/loser of this trade won't be determined for a long time yet. jmo. It won't end with the settlement. There's already calls for government to force the CHL to investigate further. Names will undoubtedly be outed, leaked or otherwise. I agree one way or another names will be leaked or players who were on team will come forward and exonerate themselves. Plus you have to think media will push this as this fits a certain narrative in today's world. |
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Post by tincup on Jun 2, 2022 21:06:50 GMT -6
It won't end with the settlement. There's already calls for government to force the CHL to investigate further. Names will undoubtedly be outed, leaked or otherwise. I agree one way or another names will be leaked or players who were on team will come forward and exonerate themselves. Plus you have to think media will push this as this fits a certain narrative in today's world. Is it better to see these things go to court and be aired out? Then there's transparency and innocents can be separated from the alleged assailants and won't get thrown under the bus by association. Then the allegations can be tried and testet publicly. It's not always as cut and dried as it seems. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 2, 2022 21:40:46 GMT -6
It won't end with the settlement. There's already calls for government to force the CHL to investigate further. Names will undoubtedly be outed, leaked or otherwise. I agree one way or another names will be leaked or players who were on team will come forward and exonerate themselves. Plus you have to think media will push this as this fits a certain narrative in today's world. i would think it would be pretty hard to exonerate yourself in the public eye without some kind of a public hearing. i mean...makar's agent saying makar wasn't involved doesn't hold a lot of clout. on another note, there's lots of stupid comments (as one would expect) on twitter, but one i read was pretty good. of course i can't find it now but no matter...one guy posted that binnington's bottle toss at kadri was getting 100X more coverage than the hockey canada story. couldn't argue with that. and on a final note...i think i'm going to move this line of discussion from the hagel thread to a thread in the "NHL" sector of the boards. it's only been a few posts but the topic is so far removed from brandon hagel i think it's time, plus it's a lot easier to move just a few posts. : ) |
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Post by Nikos on Jun 3, 2022 6:37:23 GMT -6
I agree one way or another names will be leaked or players who were on team will come forward and exonerate themselves. Plus you have to think media will push this as this fits a certain narrative in today's world. i would think it would be pretty hard to exonerate yourself in the public eye without some kind of a public hearing. i mean...makar's agent saying makar wasn't involved doesn't hold a lot of clout. on another note, there's lots of stupid comments (as one would expect) on twitter, but one i read was pretty good. of course i can't find it now but no matter...one guy posted that binnington's bottle toss at kadri was getting 100X more coverage than the canada hockey story. couldn't argue with that. and on a final note...i think i'm going to move this line of discussion from the hagel thread to a thread in the "NHL" sector of the boards. it's only been a few posts but the topic is so far removed from brandon hagel i think it's time, plus it's a lot easier to move just a few posts. : ) GT-Good move on moving, no reason to drag Hagel through this type of story. I mean at least he is trying get out in front of this Maker's agent that is. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 14, 2022 14:03:12 GMT -6
It won't end with the settlement. There's already calls for government to force the CHL to investigate further. Names will undoubtedly be outed, leaked or otherwise. i didn't know that. i wonder if it matters if the accuser signed an NDA? (i've never been able to pass that bloody bar exam.) IANAL, but I believe nondisclosure agreements are unenforceable if they break a law or are meant to silence someone from disclosing facts or truth. As for this case, I'll wait for the facts to come out before judgement, but if ant party is guilty, they deserve a stint in PMITA prison. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 19, 2022 6:27:41 GMT -6
A lot of news coming out now. Text messages etc. Unfortunately there’s 2 current Hawks that we’re on the team. If 7 were involved, the odds are much greater one of them were involved. Here’s the list, and I’m starting to look at how many players were dropped or traded from this list recently. Makes you wonder!!! www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/team-canada/men/junior/2017-18/world-championship/stats/team-rosters?teamid=175Edit: I believe if found guilty, the NHL players will be banished. I’m not passing judgment on any of them. Just stating that if guilty of anything, I think the NHL won’t tolerate it!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jul 19, 2022 6:30:59 GMT -6
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Post by steamer on Jul 19, 2022 8:40:42 GMT -6
Can't imagine the league banishing Makar regardless of his involvement.
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Post by Nikos on Jul 19, 2022 9:15:05 GMT -6
Can't imagine the league banishing Makar regardless of his involvement. I believe he or his agent have come out publicly and said he was not involved from what I recall. Now what that means or did he know something happened and did not report still is in question. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 19, 2022 9:20:16 GMT -6
Can't imagine the league banishing Makar regardless of his involvement. I believe he or his agent have come out publicly and said he was not involved from what I recall. Now what that means or did he know something happened and did not report still is in question. Yes - probably lots of the guys "knew" even if they weren't involved. Just like with Beach and the Hawks. In today's world just knowing and not reporting can be a problem. |
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Post by Nikos on Jul 19, 2022 9:35:45 GMT -6
I believe he or his agent have come out publicly and said he was not involved from what I recall. Now what that means or did he know something happened and did not report still is in question. Yes - probably lots of the guys "knew" even if they weren't involved. Just like with Beach and the Hawks. In today's world just knowing and not reporting can be a problem. Steamer, agree on your premise that knowing and not reporting is just as bad. Based on the article they have phone numbers of player or players that texted, now how much of that will be released or leaked we shall see. I know Team Canada and the NHL probably want this to go away and now with the cup finals, draft and free agency pretty much over, this story can certainly gain new legs. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 19, 2022 12:16:16 GMT -6
I’d like it to go away too. I am less familiar with the whole Team Canada story so will not comment on it. Like everyone on this board I condemn sexual assault but I can understand why some who become aware of it don’t immediately blow it all wide open.
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Post by BigT on Jul 19, 2022 14:13:44 GMT -6
Makars agent did come out and say that. I’m more concerned about Katchouk and Raddysh. Not like they’re massive parts to the future. But the Hawks have enough trouble surrounding them. And there a reason why by Sam Steel didn’t get offered a contract. Maybe that’s the reason Tampa shipped out those 2 to the Hawks? This will get worse before better. The fact that hockey Canada paid her off and now have to revisit is not looking good. I’m embarrassed for them, and for the players. Trying to sneak in a gangbang is just stupid. She said in her texts that she was cool with going back to his room with him (whomever the original player is), but not the others and they got her drunk (er) and made fun of her and used her. That should not be the culture team Canada exemplifies. I think Hockey Canada should clean house and put new measures in place. This shit has gotta stop!!!
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 19, 2022 16:11:09 GMT -6
A lot of news coming out now. Text messages etc. Unfortunately there’s 2 current Hawks that we’re on the team. If 7 were involved, the odds are much greater one of them were involved. Here’s the list, and I’m starting to look at how many players were dropped or traded from this list recently. Makes you wonder!!! www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/team-canada/men/junior/2017-18/world-championship/stats/team-rosters?teamid=175Edit: I believe if found guilty, the NHL players will be banished. I’m not passing judgment on any of them. Just stating that if guilty of anything, I think the NHL won’t tolerate it!!! As well they should; like Voynov. The only problem is that you have a bunch of fans (yet horrible humans who should be banished themselves) who though that Voynov should have been let back in the NHL. Can't imagine the league banishing Makar regardless of his involvement. I can. The PR optics would kill the NHL if they found out that a high-profile player was involved in a scandal like this and the NHL did nothing. Voynov was deported for beating his wife, and recently Bobby Hull was stripped of his ambassadorship because of his past--which in my estimation he never should have gotten back. The Beach scandal is also still fresh in the minds of the NHL brass and if Makar has any guilt proven in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt, they will make a scapegoat out of him. I believe he or his agent have come out publicly and said he was not involved from what I recall. Now what that means or did he know something happened and did not report still is in question. Yes - probably lots of the guys "knew" even if they weren't involved. Just like with Beach and the Hawks. In today's world just knowing and not reporting can be a problem. Not quite. The Beach scenario stinks on a lot of levels, and part of the problem is that if a person is not a mandatory reporter, going to the authorities behind the back of a victim when the victim does not want to go to the authorities does more damage to the case than not. Then you risk having a victim who will not cooperate with the authorities and won't disclose, which effectively tanks the case and allows a sexual predator (like Aldrich) to go free. In the players' case, the best thing they could have done was have Beach' back and encourage him to go to the authorities (even offer to go with him for moral support) rather than report behind his back. The brass was a different case; in that there are those who were in the infamous meeting, like definitely Stan and McDonut, who could have kept Aldrich and Beach separate, but didn't--irrespective of whoever said they'd handle it. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 19, 2022 18:00:25 GMT -6
Does anyone find it funny that everything the hawks went through the second trade KD makes is for 2 players on the 2018 team.??
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 19, 2022 18:30:59 GMT -6
Does anyone find it funny that everything the hawks went through the second trade KD makes is for 2 players on the 2018 team.?? i don't think "funny" is the word i'd use tbh. : ) i said at the top of the page i wonder if brisbois knew something KD didn't. i hope first and foremost justice prevails but besides that i have this nagging bad feeling about the futures of one or both of raddysh and katchouk. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 19, 2022 19:51:11 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 19, 2022 21:01:17 GMT -6
just to echo what it already says here.
these names are 100% not written in stone yet. at most just strong possibilities.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 22, 2022 17:07:52 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jul 22, 2022 17:26:09 GMT -6
now there's allegations of another sexual assault against 6 players from the 2003 canadian WJC team and a police investigation is opening. video evidence apparently. what a mess hockey canada is in. This is horrifying. I cannot believe they would allow this shit to happen. They need to clean house immediately and start over with new people. This is an organization that needs women on board. I could go on. I’ve played and seen some bad shit. I’ve heard the most racist shit. Im not saying it’s right. But sexual assault is on a different level. If that’s the culture. Count me out!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 22, 2022 18:25:47 GMT -6
scrolling down the roster of the 2003 to check if there were any former blackhawks on it, the only 2 i saw were MAF and jordin tootoo. personally i doubted either one would be involved.
then i read this. obviously it doesn't mean tootoo is guilty but it sure shines a light on the "culture" in canadian hockey at the time.
disappointing to say the least. i wonder if any other allegations will come up?
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Post by BigT on Jul 22, 2022 19:44:34 GMT -6
I think this opens up a massive shit storm. It’s awful for the sport and awful for Canadians. Why do they all have to be around each other in gang bangs? Does no one want to fly their own flag?
I don’t really care what people do. But for fuks sake keep it legal!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 22, 2022 21:10:53 GMT -6
I think this opens up a massive shit storm. it already has. on two fronts. the sexual assault allegation's the big one but to a lesser extent (imo) canadians are going to be pissed about their tax dollars funding the shit show they call hockey canada. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 22, 2022 21:29:52 GMT -6
I think this opens up a massive shit storm. it already has. on two fronts. the sexual assault allegation's the big one but to a lesser extent (imo) canadians are going to be pissed about their tax dollars funding the shit show they call hockey canada. I know you haven’t lived here in some time. But I think Canadians have given up on where their tax dollars go. We’ve been desensitized to government spending. I personally do not agree with debt at all. But that’s me. I also don’t think the guvmint should be borrowing money to give to a very wealthy hockey organization. I’m pretty sure they can do without the 12-13 million they get from federal funding. I read that hockey Canada makes around 100 million per year. However. I believe Canadians will be pissed that they rooted for a bunch of rapists dressed in hockey gear. I think they’ll have to clean house at hockey Canada. That’s the only way to make people feel better!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 23, 2022 18:26:01 GMT -6
tootoo the third player to deny involvement.
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