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Post by BigT on Sept 1, 2022 18:32:01 GMT -6
Also, teams must realize that trading legends is never easy. KD would have to get a boat load back. And I’m sure he’s expressed this to teams. The fans will eat him up if Toews was moved for a 2nd rounder and a prospect!!! i still have a hunch that out of d-cat, kane and toews, the greatest return in a trade comes from hagel. Gotta say that was a good return. You may be right on that. I’m holding out if they do get moved. It’s for pieces that will speed up the rebuild. There’s a very good chance that only one of the recent first round triads make it. On the luck side we see 2. On the absolutely insane side all three make it. Let’s hope it’s the absolute insane side!!! |
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Post by 2old4this on Sept 1, 2022 18:45:57 GMT -6
The rental scenario whereby Kane and Toews leave in February and Hawks get picks and/or prospects and then they return to Chicago and re-sign for 3-5 years sounds wonderful - almost Hallmarkish. But I would love to see that happen. teams won't give up a heck of a lot for a player unless they can sign him to a multiyear contract, And of course, once they come back, they will have to have a decent salary. I'm not sure I'd trust Kyle to be more than stingy in this regard. |
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Post by BigT on Sept 2, 2022 7:05:13 GMT -6
The rental scenario whereby Kane and Toews leave in February and Hawks get picks and/or prospects and then they return to Chicago and re-sign for 3-5 years sounds wonderful - almost Hallmarkish. But I would love to see that happen. teams won't give up a heck of a lot for a player unless they can sign him to a multiyear contract, And of course, once they come back, they will have to have a decent salary. I'm not sure I'd trust Kyle to be more than stingy in this regard. Think of what the Hawks gave up for Vermette. They’ll get a boat load for 19 or 88 at the deadline!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 2, 2022 7:40:44 GMT -6
I am sure that has not stopped GM's from asking or inquiring. All of these rumors cannot be just made up. I do believe as some have alluded to that come the TDL it will heat up with more teams involved which should drive the return up plus any money or cap owed will be drastically reduced. The ONLY thing that statement means,is neither player has asked to be traded at this point and might never ask themselves,I think a great follow-up question by Mr Pope woulda been "do you intend to ask the players to waive their NMC's in order to trade them in-season?" I doubt we see public trade requests for their legacy/image alone in Chicago,even JT's recent comments didn't go over well with everybody but if the team asks and they comply for good to very good returns......I believe that would go over well with everyone....JMO. |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 2, 2022 9:39:21 GMT -6
I am sure that has not stopped GM's from asking or inquiring. All of these rumors cannot be just made up. I do believe as some have alluded to that come the TDL it will heat up with more teams involved which should drive the return up plus any money or cap owed will be drastically reduced. The ONLY thing that statement means,is neither player has asked to be traded at this point and might never ask themselves,I think a great follow-up question by Mr Pope woulda been "do you intend to ask the players to waive their NMC's in order to trade them in-season?" I doubt we see public trade requests for their legacy/image alone in Chicago,even JT's recent comments didn't go over well with everybody but if the team asks and they comply for good to very good returns......I believe that would go over well with everyone....JMO. I'm not sure, but I feel like KD has already answered that question and stated they did not intend to do so, it would be up to the players to request a trade. someone fact check that for me. |
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Post by 2old4this on Sept 2, 2022 9:49:20 GMT -6
I'm not sure, but I feel like KD has already answered that question and stated they did not intend to do so, it would be up to the players to request a trade. someone fact check that for me. That is the way I remember it. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 3, 2022 8:43:51 GMT -6
The ONLY thing that statement means,is neither player has asked to be traded at this point and might never ask themselves,I think a great follow-up question by Mr Pope woulda been "do you intend to ask the players to waive their NMC's in order to trade them in-season?" I doubt we see public trade requests for their legacy/image alone in Chicago,even JT's recent comments didn't go over well with everybody but if the team asks and they comply for good to very good returns......I believe that would go over well with everyone....JMO. I'm not sure, but I feel like KD has already answered that question and stated they did not intend to do so, it would be up to the players to request a trade. someone fact check that for me. Let's assume both are true and there's been no trade/waive requests by either side,the qualifier here is.....at this point. If it didn't happen this summer,we pretty much knew it wouldn't happen till closer to TDL time so why not put on a happy face,sell another year's worth of 19&88 merch and the two gotta be good for what?......5K a game in attendance? More? A lot can happen between now and then but if the team want's a return,I believe they'll have to ask the players to waive. Waiving their clauses and complying with the FO's request for the good of the team is always a good optic for all involved,requesting a trade isn't always a good look for the player though. Do you think the FO doesn't make an effort to move one or both this year? |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 13, 2022 8:49:55 GMT -6
WBBM just reported Jake McCabe to have spinal surgery and miss three months.
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 13, 2022 10:39:09 GMT -6
WBBM just reported Jake McCabe to have spinal surgery and miss three months. Probably a good time to do so. I do wish him a good recovery |
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Post by tincup on Sept 13, 2022 10:39:13 GMT -6
WBBM just reported Jake McCabe to have spinal surgery and miss three months. Just caught this...why wait until now? Does open a spot. Had one of those myself, hoping for a good recovery. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 13, 2022 13:27:53 GMT -6
WBBM just reported Jake McCabe to have spinal surgery and miss three months. Probably why they signed Jack Johnson. |
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Post by BigT on Sept 13, 2022 18:29:12 GMT -6
I wonder if this is the end of McCabe? He had major knee surgery, now spinal surgery. He seems like a great guy. But I’m not sure he comes back in the form of a top 4 NHL dman. I just don’t know if he has a long future left in the NHL. Spinal surgery can be quite serious!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 13, 2022 18:44:56 GMT -6
WBBM just reported Jake McCabe to have spinal surgery and miss three months. Just caught this...why wait until now? Does open a spot. Had one of those myself, hoping for a good recovery. with luypen, i read they tried to rehabilitate his shoulder hoping to avoid surgery but unfortunately they ended up having to operate. maybe something similar with mccabe? who knows. you do often hear of athletes having surgery well into their off seasons. i always wondered about that. |
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Post by tincup on Sept 13, 2022 19:09:23 GMT -6
WBBM just reported Jake McCabe to have spinal surgery and miss three months. Probably why they signed Jack Johnson. Makes a tad more sense now. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 15, 2022 19:16:33 GMT -6
fwiw, jujhar khaira was skating with the team today.
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Post by mvr on Sept 15, 2022 19:35:58 GMT -6
fwiw, jujhar khaira was skating with the team today. They was a brief period during the midpoint of the season when I thought the team was establishing a real identity. They played a heavy, physical game with a strong forecheck. Khaira was a part of that lineup. So was Mike Hardman and Reese Johnson. Each was averaging five plus hits a game minimum around that time. I hope this approach returns next year. For the season, Khaira managed 88 hits in 27 games. Hardman had 60 in 21. Reese Johnson had 141 in 37 games. |
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Post by mvr on Sept 15, 2022 19:53:07 GMT -6
Entwistle, Lafferty, Raddysh and Katchouk all were over one hundred hits each.
This team lacks physicality from its defence, especially with Dehaan gone, and McCabe and Murphy both questionable physically.
But there is plenty of potential at forward to make up for it next year.
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Post by steamer on Sept 16, 2022 9:13:15 GMT -6
I like a more physical team too. Just hope the hitting was part of each guy’s normal game - rather than merely trying to impress the coaches and win more playing time. Several of these guys missed a lot of time due to injury. Was it just bad luck or were they trying to be more physical than they are capable of sustaining?
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Post by BigT on Sept 17, 2022 10:48:59 GMT -6
I’m not worried a bit about this season. Not one forward is signed past this season. The team will be absolutely different. So the make up of this years team is to tank and probably the year after too. Lotta good players in the 2024 UFA market. Mathews, Aho, Teravainen etc. Aho would be a nice prize. He’ll be 27 I believe by then. So even a 7 year deal takes him to 34. That’s not bad. Hawks will have cap space and roster spots to really ramp things up in 2-3 years time!!!
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Post by steamer on Sept 17, 2022 12:14:04 GMT -6
What about a Dcat return once the Kane and Toews contracts are off the books? Aho is a good player but Dcat is right there too.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 17, 2022 12:31:59 GMT -6
What about a Dcat return once the Kane and Toews contracts are off the books? Aho is a good player but Dcat is right there too. 🤞 that'd be ideal. Move Toews and Kane at the trade deadline, get Bedard then sign Toews, Kane, and Debrincat. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 19, 2022 10:38:02 GMT -6
Just a couple things i take from this otherwise boring tweet.
One...we're definitely getting close to the new season and two...playing game 1 on the road isn't such a bad thing.
2 days of practice in denver and the 3rd day we play them. Normally a road team doesn't have that luxury.
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Post by tincup on Sept 22, 2022 10:41:42 GMT -6
Outside of the recent picks, does it seem that the further you go to the right the less chance you have of being part of the future?
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 22, 2022 16:33:05 GMT -6
Outside of the recent picks, does it seem that the further you go to the right the less chance you have of being part of the future? interesting mccabe was on the ice participating in full gear (but non-contact) even though the timeline for his return from cervical spine surgery hasn't changed. (10-12 weeks) |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 22, 2022 19:42:37 GMT -6
i think what little i know about analytics i learned from a baseball movie. (moneyball)
i would be interested to see how big this league-wide list was even 5 years ago.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 22, 2022 20:28:56 GMT -6
i think what little i know about analytics i learned from a baseball movie. (moneyball) i would be interested to see how big this league-wide list was even 5 years ago. Bob mentioned Moneyball after they signed Greenberg, I watched it for the first time not long before he was signed. It's cool he was part of the Cubs historic win not long after they took analytics seriously. Having guys like Maciver, Richardson, Campbell, and other ex players helps with the other side of the game. I'm liking this mix. |
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Post by Tater on Sept 23, 2022 1:28:41 GMT -6
Sorry the pic is so huge.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 23, 2022 12:18:56 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Sept 23, 2022 12:48:55 GMT -6
i think what little i know about analytics i learned from a baseball movie. (moneyball) i would be interested to see how big this league-wide list was even 5 years ago. Bob mentioned Moneyball after they signed Greenberg, I watched it for the first time not long before he was signed. It's cool he was part of the Cubs historic win not long after they took analytics seriously. Having guys like Maciver, Richardson, Campbell, and other ex players helps with the other side of the game. I'm liking this mix. Oakland finds itself FORTY games under .500 this morning and the Cubs are 20 under .500,they both better start taking something more seriously........just sayin'. Maybe we can hire Brad Pitt too.......he WAS dreamy in the movie!LOL! Dam shame we missed out on the basketball lady though. Chicago baseball fans have ONE man to thank for ending what was over a century of embarrassment to our great city,the same man who ended Boston's 85 year nightmare......and 'he gone'. The Red sox 85 year drought was only 'bested' by the Cubs' 107 years/6 and counting and the White sox' 87 years/17 and counting. Toss-in the Hawks 49 years/7 and counting,the Bears' being 36 years removed from their single SB victory and the Bulls ineptitude the last 24 years since the great Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson were shown the door and there ya go........RAH...RAH BABY! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 23, 2022 14:31:25 GMT -6
this explains why mccabe was back on the ice so soon.
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