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Post by Nikos on Sept 7, 2023 15:38:16 GMT -6
When D-cat played there I took more of an interest in seeing them do well. Now not so much. They’ve locked in a solid core but not sure that’s enough and not sure they’ve nailed down the netminder situation? I like Sanderson, think he will be a #1 D here soon, and plenty of O power, but agree the goaltending still a question mark. Senators very high on Ridly Greig and might look to move Shane Pinto. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 8, 2023 17:48:29 GMT -6
When D-cat played there I took more of an interest in seeing them do well. Now not so much. They’ve locked in a solid core but not sure that’s enough and not sure they’ve nailed down the netminder situation? my interest in the senators is on the rise actually just seeing the way they've locked up their key pieces. like you i'm not sure their core is good enough but they're young and certainly have their best years ahead of them. speaking of d-cat, stützle had comments about him and also the team's mentality. the media is making a big deal of this but i don't really think he meant any malice towards him. about the goaltending, i think korpasalo is a step in the right direction. and it will be interesting to see if forsberg can bounce back after tearing MCLs in both knees in an on-ice pile up in the crease. talk about a freak accident. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 9, 2023 10:05:41 GMT -6
When D-cat played there I took more of an interest in seeing them do well. Now not so much. They’ve locked in a solid core but not sure that’s enough and not sure they’ve nailed down the netminder situation? I won't tune-in as religiously as I did last year either but they are a promising young team and should improve further..........Stutzle's one of the game's very best young players. Korp's and upgrade on the 36yro,often injured Talbot but five years is quite the gamble on a 29yro GT who's been a 1B at best so far in his career. It's still mind-numbing to think Dorian traded the 24yro Gustavsson to MN straight-up for Talbot last summer!!!!! They do have a few promising young GT's also. I feel bad for Forsberg,both knees at the same time? It had to be months before he could even take a dump by himself,let alone start conditioning. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 9, 2023 11:20:54 GMT -6
When D-cat played there I took more of an interest in seeing them do well. Now not so much. They’ve locked in a solid core but not sure that’s enough and not sure they’ve nailed down the netminder situation? I like Sanderson, think he will be a #1 D here soon, and plenty of O power, but agree the goaltending still a question mark. Senators very high on Ridly Greig and might look to move Shane Pinto. I really liked what I saw from the 20yro D-man in his first NHL season but Ottawa's gonna be real top-heavy now and even more so after a looming Chychrun re-do but they do lose almost 6M in dead $$$ next offseason and cap increases should be stellar going forward. 21yro center Shane Pinto potted 20 and won over 52% of his draws in 16 mins of TOI in his rookie year and that -21 had more to do with his line's D assignments than poor D-play on his part. The 'gangly' kid's still growin' into his 6'3" 200lb plus frame and figuring things out,he played all 82 and ended-up with only 18pims........he knows how to stay out of the 'box' too. Drafted players Stutzle(8.35M),Tkachuk(8.2M),Chabot(8M),Sanderson(8M),Norris(7.95M) and Batherson(4.975M) all got their long-term vs bridge deals after very limited sample sizes and now OTT barely has room to offer Pinto league minimum with only 11 forwards signed when it's his turn. Boston's rumored to be in on a Pinto trade and Ott's rumored to want a good prospect and a good pick back. There're teams in 'win-now' mode and more getting close who won't have roster or cap space for some decent-good,young RFA's and I'd like to see the Hawks in on this action soon. Fla's definitely a 'win-now' team who's almost devoid of cap-space(1.1M over) and draft picks(no 1st or 2nd next year and no 1st the year after),I'd inquire about Anton Lundell.........he's already a reliable shut-down 3LC @21 and due a contract next year. |
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Post by phill9 on Sept 9, 2023 16:30:25 GMT -6
I like Sanderson, think he will be a #1 D here soon, and plenty of O power, but agree the goaltending still a question mark. Senators very high on Ridly Greig and might look to move Shane Pinto. I really liked what I saw from the 20yro D-man in his first NHL season but Ottawa's gonna be real top-heavy now and even more so after a looming Chychrun re-do but they do lose almost 6M in dead $$$ next offseason and cap increases should be stellar going forward. 21yro center Shane Pinto potted 20 and won over 52% of his draws in 16 mins of TOI in his rookie year and that -21 had more to do with his line's D assignments than poor D-play on his part. The 'gangly' kid's still growin' into his 6'3" 200lb plus frame and figuring things out,he played all 82 and ended-up with only 18pims........he knows how to stay out of the 'box' too. Drafted players Stutzle(8.35M),Tkachuk(8.2M),Chabot(8M),Sanderson(8M),Norris(7.95M) and Batherson(4.975M) all got their long-term vs bridge deals after very limited sample sizes and now OTT barely has room to offer Pinto league minimum with only 11 forwards signed when it's his turn. Boston's rumored to be in on a Pinto trade and Ott's rumored to want a good prospect and a good pick back. There're teams in 'win-now' mode and more getting close who won't have roster or cap space for some decent-good,young RFA's and I'd like to see the Hawks in on this action soon. Fla's definitely a 'win-now' team who's almost devoid of cap-space(1.1M over) and draft picks(no 1st or 2nd next year and no 1st the year after),I'd inquire about Anton Lundell.........he's already a reliable shut-down 3LC @21 and due a contract next year. Haven't looked over Capfriendly but the Panthers are going to be starting the season with at least Montour and Ekblad on the IR so that will free up cap space until they return. That's why they signed several FA defensemen. Although I think it's becoming clearer to everyone Zito spending has been out of control since coming here. I really think he's going to regret trading Duclair with his game changing speed. I think the Panthers take another step back and will once again be in a fight to make the playoffs. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 10, 2023 7:55:04 GMT -6
Not following this that closely but between this and stutzle's (overblown?) comments, i get the feeling the press in ottawa may have it out for d-cat.
Of course i could be wrong but it's just the vibe i'm getting.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 10, 2023 9:15:09 GMT -6
I really liked what I saw from the 20yro D-man in his first NHL season but Ottawa's gonna be real top-heavy now and even more so after a looming Chychrun re-do but they do lose almost 6M in dead $$$ next offseason and cap increases should be stellar going forward. 21yro center Shane Pinto potted 20 and won over 52% of his draws in 16 mins of TOI in his rookie year and that -21 had more to do with his line's D assignments than poor D-play on his part. The 'gangly' kid's still growin' into his 6'3" 200lb plus frame and figuring things out,he played all 82 and ended-up with only 18pims........he knows how to stay out of the 'box' too. Drafted players Stutzle(8.35M),Tkachuk(8.2M),Chabot(8M),Sanderson(8M),Norris(7.95M) and Batherson(4.975M) all got their long-term vs bridge deals after very limited sample sizes and now OTT barely has room to offer Pinto league minimum with only 11 forwards signed when it's his turn. Boston's rumored to be in on a Pinto trade and Ott's rumored to want a good prospect and a good pick back. There're teams in 'win-now' mode and more getting close who won't have roster or cap space for some decent-good,young RFA's and I'd like to see the Hawks in on this action soon. Fla's definitely a 'win-now' team who's almost devoid of cap-space(1.1M over) and draft picks(no 1st or 2nd next year and no 1st the year after),I'd inquire about Anton Lundell.........he's already a reliable shut-down 3LC @21 and due a contract next year. Haven't looked over Capfriendly but the Panthers are going to be starting the season with at least Montour and Ekblad on the IR so that will free up cap space until they return. That's why they signed several FA defensemen. Although I think it's becoming clearer to everyone Zito spending has been out of control since coming here. I really think he's going to regret trading Duclair with his game changing speed. I think the Panthers take another step back and will once again be in a fight to make the playoffs. Zito's made some good value moves too Phill,Reinhart was a good trade with one year left @6.5M and so was Bennett and a good value @4.25M for two more,as is Verhaeghe @4.6M for two more. Forsling's been an incredible value for them and a great find too @2.66M but he's a UFA next year and he'll want a lot more than that after a 13/41 effort to go along with STELLAR play in his own end........he's +77 in three years in Fla against opponent's better offensive players! It seems Ekblad is injured every year now and he's only 27 but there's only two left on his deal now too. Their GT situation is interesting,did 'Bob' up his value enough in the PO's to be moved w/o much $$$ retained or do they even want to move him now? Spencer Knight is a wild-card at only 22 and the kid flashed some brilliance when he first came up. 'Bob' can also be bought-out after this year if need be and his NMC becomes a M-NTC then too..... www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/sergei-bobrovsky |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 10, 2023 9:59:19 GMT -6
Not following this that closely but between this and stutzle's (overblown?) comments, i get the feeling the press in ottawa may have it out for d-cat. Of course i could be wrong but it's just the vibe i'm getting. I don't think Stutzle really said anything wrong, "We want him to be part of this group and he's a great guy,great player" is complementary and "If you don't want to be there,then good luck on your way" is an honest response IMO. I read another article today with the 'DeBrincat unhappy being behind Tkachuk' tag-line and that's kind of 'click-bait' if you ask me. What he was unhappy about was watching the other three top Ott forwards have career years together(all three pretty much natural centers)while he skated with a 21yro center with 17 games under his belt coming in. Don't get me wrong,I like Shane Pinto and his 20 goal debut,but Ott will move him to 3LC where he'll excel with Norris' return. Norris' injury five games in really threw a 'monkey-wrench' into things for D-Cat and the team,Norris,Tkachuk and Batherson were real good together the year before and in PS Giroux,Stutzle and D-Cat looked good together in PS too. The Sens woulda had two killer lines if Norris doesn't get hurt. When I look at the Sens cap situation,I'm tryin' to figure-out how in the hell they afford D-Cat if he did want to stay for what Detroit signed him for anyway........which was reasonable IMO. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 1, 2023 11:05:09 GMT -6
The Sens could easily have a new HC,I look for a Roy announcement at some time and I'll also look for the new owner to bring his guy Steve Staios in as an advisor for now and the new GM eventually.......it's a bit late in the game to dump Dorion at this point. Do you sign a long-term,value deal in this scenario when you can become an UFA next summer with a cap rumored to be rising at quite the rate. Guess I was wrong on a 'Roy' announcement(this year) but DJ's tenure definitely hangs on making the PO's.....this year IMO. I thought the new owner would bring Staios in as an advisor and eventual GM but they had bigger plans for him...... www.nhl.com/senators/news/ottawa-senators-appoint-steve-staios-as-president-of-hockey-operations |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 2, 2023 18:55:07 GMT -6
40 save shutout for korpisalo against the pens tonight.
if they can get goaltending resembling that in the regular season i think the sens will be a playoff team.
on a sidenote i see matthew highmore was on their roster tonight. he may have been dressed because he was born in halifax and the game was played in halifax but hopefully he can stick.
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Post by hsbob on Oct 9, 2023 11:41:02 GMT -6
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Post by steamer on Oct 9, 2023 14:12:06 GMT -6
That’s a tough one for the team and also must be personally very frustrating. |
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Post by jaty84 on Oct 19, 2023 2:21:12 GMT -6
Norris back this soon and with 2 goals right away. Glad for the guy. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 19, 2023 9:06:52 GMT -6
Norris back this soon and with 2 goals right away. Glad for the guy. This puts Ottawa in a different and possibly better position as far as Shane Pinto goes. I read an article yesterday morning floating the Norris to LTIR scenario as the only way to re-do Pinto w/o losing a much needed roster piece and then he gets his first start later that same day and pots two as you mentioned........do some of these 'writers' even follow the team they're 'writing' about? The Sens situation is a bit troubling for the Pinto camp IMO,recently turned 21 Ridly Grieg has played well so far and is actually centering a 2nd line with Tarasenko and Joesph,who's also played well so far. This gives em a 3rd line of Norris(35 his last full season),Batherson(22/62 last year) and Kubalik(20 last year).......name a better 3rd line......on paper anyway. This keeps Stutzle,Tkachuk and Giroux together as a dominant 1st line and it showed last night. Fast,young defense and some goaltending too it seems,they'll be tough all year. Pinto's reportedly packed-up his gear and headed back to NY to train with no resolution in sight and since Ottawa has neither the cap-space to offer even a minimum deal at this point,or the roster spot and very possibly even the need for the big,tallented 22yro center,are they more or less motivated to move him? |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 20, 2023 12:35:29 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 20, 2023 13:25:59 GMT -6
Both teams are vastly improved this year be it from UFA's or previous drafts blooming together. Hopefully we will have the same success in a couple years. |
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Post by ukhawk on Oct 26, 2023 9:27:53 GMT -6
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Post by irmaks on Oct 26, 2023 10:00:18 GMT -6
Pinto banned for 41 games due to breaking NHL gambling rules Ottawa Senators forward Shane Pinto will be suspended by the NHL for 41 games for activities related to sports wagering, according to a league source. It’s the league’s first gambling-related suspension in the era of online betting. Pinto is currently an unsigned restricted free agent and hasn’t played a game for the Senators this season. The 22-year-old had been skating on his own in Ottawa earlier this month while awaiting a new contract. He has since returned home to Long Island, N.Y. Pinto was a second-round pick by the Senators in 2019. He became a regular in the NHL last season, scoring 20 goals and 35 points in 82 games. As an RFA, Pinto needs to be under contract by Dec. 1 to be eligible to play in the 2023-24 season. Exhibit 14.2 of the NHL’s collective-bargaining agreement states: “Gambling on any NHL Game is prohibited.” The league’s constitution allows gambling on other sports. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 26, 2023 10:37:40 GMT -6
Let me get this straight, Pinto suspended 41 games for gambling on sports, but not hockey.
All the while the NHL takes millions from on-line gambling like fan-dual and whatever other ones.
Bit hypocritical.
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Post by hsbob on Oct 26, 2023 11:08:23 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Oct 26, 2023 11:09:40 GMT -6
Let me get this straight, Pinto suspended 41 games for gambling on sports, but not hockey. All the while the NHL takes millions from on-line gambling like fan-dual and whatever other ones. Bit hypocritical. Great minds think alike,how ya feelin' T-man? |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 26, 2023 14:04:34 GMT -6
Let me get this straight, Pinto suspended 41 games for gambling on sports, but not hockey. All the while the NHL takes millions from on-line gambling like fan-dual and whatever other ones. Bit hypocritical. Great minds think a like, how ya feelin' T-man? Still above ground, can't ask for much more. Took me a long time to create this mess, will take some time fixing it. |
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Post by steamer on Oct 27, 2023 11:11:37 GMT -6
Let me get this straight, Pinto suspended 41 games for gambling on sports, but not hockey. All the while the NHL takes millions from on-line gambling like fan-dual and whatever other ones. Bit hypocritical. And (Bet)tman is the Commissioner. On a serious note though - Pinto would still be a compelling acquisition IF due diligence doesn’t reveal a more complex issue. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 1, 2023 12:55:02 GMT -6
The Sens could easily have a new HC,I look for a Roy announcement at some time and I'll also look for the new owner to bring his guy Steve Staios in as an advisor for now and the new GM eventually.......it's a bit late in the game to dump Dorion at this point. Do you sign a long-term,value deal in this scenario when you can become an UFA next summer with a cap rumored to be rising at quite the rate. Guess I was wrong on a 'Roy' announcement(this year) but DJ's tenure definitely hangs on making the PO's.....this year IMO. I thought the new owner would bring Staios in as an advisor and eventual GM but they had bigger plans for him...... www.nhl.com/senators/news/ottawa-senators-appoint-steve-staios-as-president-of-hockey-operationsI believe Staios has been 'measuring the drapes' in Dorin's office ever since the new guy bought the team and losing a 1st through 'dumbassery' didn't help his cause. Smart money has Patrick Roy behind the bench before long too,DJ won't make the holidays @.500! |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 1, 2023 13:22:15 GMT -6
agree. I'll be shocked if Roy isn't the coach by Thanksgiving. |
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Post by BigT on Dec 18, 2023 13:05:16 GMT -6
DJ is a good dude. But it’s just time. I feel awful for him. He’ll land on his feet.
As for the Sens. There’s a great lesson to be learned for the Hawks here. I feel that the Sens lack veteran presence. DJ is a coach that isn’t in your face and he wants to be more of a friend to the guys. I think they need 2-3 more vet guys. This is what happens when you just keep adding more and more kids. Sure Sanderson looks like the real deal. But ya got a solid 2 years of growing pains with him. Plus they’ve added in 2-3 rookies every year. This is why I feel bad for DJ. Hes literally doing all the dirty work for the next guy.
Any coach who leads a rebuild doesn’t last long out of it.
I hope KD and co are paying attention to this. Because you can’t keep filling the roster with all your draft picks. This was my worry before. If you keep adding kids in, it’s more growing pains and more growing pains. Maybe the odd rookie you add in. But if KD is gonna flood the team with rookies the next 2 years, you’ll get 3-4 years of growing pains. It usually takes 2 years to get rid of the growing pains. And if you add in 2-4 rookies for 2 straight years. The math ain’t that hard!!!
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Post by hsbob on Dec 18, 2023 14:32:16 GMT -6
DJ is a good dude. But it’s just time. I feel awful for him. He’ll land on his feet. As for the Sens. There’s a great lesson to be learned for the Hawks here. I feel that the Sens lack veteran presence. DJ is a coach that isn’t in your face and he wants to be more of a friend to the guys. I think they need 2-3 more vet guys. This is what happens when you just keep adding more and more kids. Sure Sanderson looks like the real deal. But ya got a solid 2 years of growing pains with him. Plus they’ve added in 2-3 rookies every year. This is why I feel bad for DJ. Hes literally doing all the dirty work for the next guy. Any coach who leads a rebuild doesn’t last long out of it. I hope KD and co are paying attention to this. Because you can’t keep filling the roster with all your draft picks. This was my worry before. If you keep adding kids in, it’s more growing pains and more growing pains. Maybe the odd rookie you add in. But if KD is gonna flood the team with rookies the next 2 years, you’ll get 3-4 years of growing pains. It usually takes 2 years to get rid of the growing pains. And if you add in 2-4 rookies for 2 straight years. The math ain’t that hard!!! We've also seen the GM's in Ott,Buff and StL give masive,max term deals to the players they drafted and in many cases,after only one good season.........seems these GM's are patting themselves on the back a bit with these signings. Sanderson and Owen Power both had good rookie debuts,but are both worth more than Devon Toews? They're paid more. Ott has five of their highly drafted players already signed long-term to the tune of 37M+,Buff will pay young,highly-drafted players Dahlin,Power,Cozens and Samuelsson 30.7M combined strating next year(all max term) and St Lou gave Kyrou and Thomas matching 8M+ max deals before they accomplished much at all too. Are any of these teams close? Ott IS interesting because Tkachuk,Stutzle,Chabot,Batherson and Sanderson are all either studs or at least very effective and the team shows little improvement.....with ZERO cap-space to do anything about it. They show 4.7M in current cap-space but Chabot(8M) is due to return at some point later this season and they'll still have nothing to offer Pinto at that point. . |
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Post by BigT on Dec 18, 2023 15:03:48 GMT -6
DJ is a good dude. But it’s just time. I feel awful for him. He’ll land on his feet. As for the Sens. There’s a great lesson to be learned for the Hawks here. I feel that the Sens lack veteran presence. DJ is a coach that isn’t in your face and he wants to be more of a friend to the guys. I think they need 2-3 more vet guys. This is what happens when you just keep adding more and more kids. Sure Sanderson looks like the real deal. But ya got a solid 2 years of growing pains with him. Plus they’ve added in 2-3 rookies every year. This is why I feel bad for DJ. Hes literally doing all the dirty work for the next guy. Any coach who leads a rebuild doesn’t last long out of it. I hope KD and co are paying attention to this. Because you can’t keep filling the roster with all your draft picks. This was my worry before. If you keep adding kids in, it’s more growing pains and more growing pains. Maybe the odd rookie you add in. But if KD is gonna flood the team with rookies the next 2 years, you’ll get 3-4 years of growing pains. It usually takes 2 years to get rid of the growing pains. And if you add in 2-4 rookies for 2 straight years. The math ain’t that hard!!! We've also seen the GM's in Ott,Buff and StL give masive,max term deals to the players they drafted and in many cases,after only one good season.........seems these GM's are patting themselves on the back a bit with these signings. Sanderson and Owen Power both had good rookie debuts,but are both worth more than Devon Toews? They're paid more. Ott has five of their highly drafted players already signed long-term to the tune of 37M+,Buff will pay young,highly-drafted players Dahlin,Power,Cozens and Samuelsson 30.7M combined strating next year(all max term) and St Lou gave Kyrou and Thomas matching 8M+ max deals before they accomplished much at all too. Are any of these teams close? Ott IS interesting because Tkachuk,Stutzle,Chabot,Batherson and Sanderson are all either studs or at least very effective and the team shows little improvement.....with ZERO cap-space to do anything about it. They show 4.7M in current cap-space but Chabot(8M) is due to return at some point later this season and they'll still have nothing to offer Pinto at that point. . I’ve been watching and listening. They said on the TSN broadcast last week that the Sens start players like Tkachuk, Stutzle, Norris etc are all terrible defensively. DJ has changed the system they said a few times over his tenure there. They just don’t get it. But they’re very good offensively. They really don’t have a real 200 foot player. So just like Buffalo, they both don’t like to play defense!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 19, 2023 12:59:10 GMT -6
We've also seen the GM's in Ott,Buff and StL give masive,max term deals to the players they drafted and in many cases,after only one good season.........seems these GM's are patting themselves on the back a bit with these signings. Sanderson and Owen Power both had good rookie debuts,but are both worth more than Devon Toews? They're paid more. Ott has five of their highly drafted players already signed long-term to the tune of 37M+,Buff will pay young,highly-drafted players Dahlin,Power,Cozens and Samuelsson 30.7M combined strating next year(all max term) and St Lou gave Kyrou and Thomas matching 8M+ max deals before they accomplished much at all too. Are any of these teams close? Ott IS interesting because Tkachuk,Stutzle,Chabot,Batherson and Sanderson are all either studs or at least very effective and the team shows little improvement.....with ZERO cap-space to do anything about it. They show 4.7M in current cap-space but Chabot(8M) is due to return at some point later this season and they'll still have nothing to offer Pinto at that point. . I’ve been watching and listening. They said on the TSN broadcast last week that the Sens start players like Tkachuk, Stutzle, Norris etc are all terrible defensively. DJ has changed the system they said a few times over his tenure there. They just don’t get it. But they’re very good offensively. They really don’t have a real 200 foot player. So just like Buffalo, they both don’t like to play defense!!! I saw a LOT of Stutzle last year and he was Ott's best 1st unit PK'er and some Sens fans were starting to compare his two-way game to 'Big Hoss' at the same age and Giroux has always been responsible but I guess it takes more than two guys. I feel bad for DJ and I wish him well........ www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators-fire-dj-smith-1.7062863 |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 18, 2024 22:16:59 GMT -6
Ottawa played their 40th game of the season tonight and if I'm not mistaken,Shane Pinto's suspension was for 41 games..... www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/01/senators-have-offered-several-contract-terms-to-rfa-shane-pinto.htmlOttawa gave all their other young players big money and now they want this kid to take dirt because dirt is all they have to offer after a 20gl rookie year. Rumors are of a very unhappy owner up there,he's pissed-off over losing their #1 pick this year and wants one back. He also wants out of Korpisalo's last four years @4m and wants to acquire a reliable GT. The Sens won a game and are trying to convince themselves they have a shot at spot and need space desperately. After watching Talbot put up studly numbers out in LA so far and looking like ASS in Ottawa last year,I gotta think Korpisalo is a better GT than we've seen this year by a good margin. Take Pinto and 'Korp' with some $$$ retained for Mrazak and TB's 1st? Include Reichel and maybe pluck something else from them? |
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