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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 29, 2023 19:18:49 GMT -6
whoa! a billion for the sens? i never would have imagined. i wonder what the leafs/rangers/blackhawks would fetch? the highest price previously for an nhl franchise was 900 million (penguins in 2021). According to Forbes back in 2022: Rangers $2.2B Leafs $2.0B Montreal $1.85B Hawks $1.5B Bruins $1.4B they also had the sens valued at "just" $800 million. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 30, 2023 6:37:31 GMT -6
If the Melnik family has a wee bit of patience, they should wait it out to see where the team goes in the playoffs next year. If they make the playoffs and go to the 2nd round even. I’m sure with a young team mostly all locked up they’ll make that franchise worth another hundred million or so. That’s what I’d do!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 30, 2023 6:49:00 GMT -6
If the Melnik family has a wee bit of patience, they should wait it out to see where the team goes in the playoffs next year. If they make the playoffs and go to the 2nd round even. I’m sure with a young team mostly all locked up they’ll make that franchise worth another hundred million or so. That’s what I’d do!!! idk....eugene melnyk bought the team for 92 million in '03. if someone offered me a cool billion 20 years later i might be inclined to take the money and run. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 30, 2023 7:52:51 GMT -6
If the Melnik family has a wee bit of patience, they should wait it out to see where the team goes in the playoffs next year. If they make the playoffs and go to the 2nd round even. I’m sure with a young team mostly all locked up they’ll make that franchise worth another hundred million or so. That’s what I’d do!!! idk....eugene melnyk bought the team for 92 million in '03. if someone offered me a cool billion 20 years later i might be inclined to take the money and run. I wouldn’t blame ya. But that extra 10% will pay a good chunk of the capital gains taxes. So that works like this. Original investment-92 million. So you’d minus that from the amount you sold it for- 1 billion. So now you’d have to pay tax on 50% of the 948 million. So you’d have to pay tax on 474 million. The tax rate for that is 53%. Which is 251.22 million. Or 25% of your selling price. So getting an extra hundred million will save you probably 50-60 million in taxes. So if the team gets in the playoffs and has a solid run, you may even get 1.2 billion. And see more on your bottom line. Guvmint gonna guvern!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 30, 2023 12:11:40 GMT -6
idk....eugene melnyk bought the team for 92 million in '03. if someone offered me a cool billion 20 years later i might be inclined to take the money and run. I wouldn’t blame ya. But that extra 10% will pay a good chunk of the capital gains taxes. So that works like this. Original investment-92 million. So you’d minus that from the amount you sold it for- 1 billion. So now you’d have to pay tax on 50% of the 948 million. So you’d have to pay tax on 474 million. The tax rate for that is 53%. Which is 251.22 million. Or 25% of your selling price. So getting an extra hundred million will save you probably 50-60 million in taxes. So if the team gets in the playoffs and has a solid run, you may even get 1.2 billion. And see more on your bottom line. Guvmint gonna guvern!!! Is that how they spell extortion in Canada? |
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Post by hsbob on May 1, 2023 11:52:55 GMT -6
I wouldn’t blame ya. But that extra 10% will pay a good chunk of the capital gains taxes. So that works like this. Original investment-92 million. So you’d minus that from the amount you sold it for- 1 billion. So now you’d have to pay tax on 50% of the 948 million. So you’d have to pay tax on 474 million. The tax rate for that is 53%. Which is 251.22 million. Or 25% of your selling price. So getting an extra hundred million will save you probably 50-60 million in taxes. So if the team gets in the playoffs and has a solid run, you may even get 1.2 billion. And see more on your bottom line. Guvmint gonna guvern!!! Is that how they spell extortion in Canada? Maybe we can get up a collection for poor,old Melnyk's family! 900 million capital gain oner 30 years......they MUST feel violated!LOFL!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 4, 2023 11:45:32 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jun 5, 2023 7:08:31 GMT -6
Not sure what Dcat is looking for. Is it term? Money? Both? I think 8.25 per for 8 years is good for him. Like they said in that podcast. What contender could afford to pay him 9+ million? So his best shot at winning and get a fair contract is with Ottawa. If he wants 9 or more. I’m guessing he’ll be dealt. But with a 9 million price tag, what will they get for him?
Maybe a lateral trade is the only way? Like for example, if Keller does want out of Arizona. Maybe Dcat for Keller? Maybe Carolina comes sniffing around? We’ll find out soon enough. I’d like to see him stay in Ottawa and make them the team they should be!!!
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Post by Nikos on Jun 5, 2023 7:44:37 GMT -6
Not sure what Dcat is looking for. Is it term? Money? Both? I think 8.25 per for 8 years is good for him. Like they said in that podcast. What contender could afford to pay him 9+ million? So his best shot at winning and get a fair contract is with Ottawa. If he wants 9 or more. I’m guessing he’ll be dealt. But with a 9 million price tag, what will they get for him? Maybe a lateral trade is the only way? Like for example, if Keller does want out of Arizona. Maybe Dcat for Keller? Maybe Carolina comes sniffing around? We’ll find out soon enough. I’d like to see him stay in Ottawa and make them the team they should be!!! Caufield just got 8 years for $62.8M AAV $7.85M, another Canadian team, not sure if Montreal and Ottawa have same tax structure. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 5, 2023 8:26:33 GMT -6
Not sure what Dcat is looking for. Is it term? Money? Both? I think 8.25 per for 8 years is good for him. Like they said in that podcast. What contender could afford to pay him 9+ million? So his best shot at winning and get a fair contract is with Ottawa. If he wants 9 or more. I’m guessing he’ll be dealt. But with a 9 million price tag, what will they get for him? Maybe a lateral trade is the only way? Like for example, if Keller does want out of Arizona. Maybe Dcat for Keller? Maybe Carolina comes sniffing around? We’ll find out soon enough. I’d like to see him stay in Ottawa and make them the team they should be!!! Caufield just got 8 years for $62.8M AAV $7.85M, another Canadian team, not sure if Montreal and Ottawa have same tax structure. It’s all pretty much the same across the board here in Canada for taxes. But that’s what you gotta do. Sign these guys to long term deals and “gamble” on them. They get the big bucks sooner. But, they’ll be bargains for most of that contract. Dcat was kinda screwed over by the last GM of the Hawks. He should a had an 8 year 7.5 per back then. But someone was always the smartest guy in the room. The Hawks would have gotten a massive haul for. Dcat. Now he’s in limbo. I don’t see Dcat getting that much more than Caufield. I think he’ll get 8.25. How many teams have 9 million to pay a winger? Very good deal for the Habs. Caufield will get 30-40 goals a season and will be a bargain!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 5, 2023 11:29:27 GMT -6
Not sure what Dcat is looking for. Is it term? Money? Both? I think 8.25 per for 8 years is good for him. Like they said in that podcast. What contender could afford to pay him 9+ million? So his best shot at winning and get a fair contract is with Ottawa. If he wants 9 or more. I’m guessing he’ll be dealt. But with a 9 million price tag, what will they get for him? Maybe a lateral trade is the only way? Like for example, if Keller does want out of Arizona. Maybe Dcat for Keller? Maybe Carolina comes sniffing around? We’ll find out soon enough. I’d like to see him stay in Ottawa and make them the team they should be!!! I think the idea of not knowing if the GM you're negotiating with or the HC you worked hard to get accustomed to are even there post-sale is an issue. That process is dragging-out a bit and Reynolds' group backed-out w/o saying why. At this late point,Dorian probably stays for next year but rumors are the leading bidder wants Roy and they'll probably want him more now. I'll also agree with your $$$ amounts on a D-Cat deal,that's a young,talented team on the 'come! It might be in his interest to ink a three-year deal for that amount at this point though,he'd be a 28yro UFA with a potential of large cap increases. A healthy Norris return,continued improvement from young forwards already putting-up numbers and an ageless Giroux could benefit D-Cat's numbers big time over the next few years. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 5, 2023 16:14:59 GMT -6
I still say D-Cat ends up with the Wings.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 5, 2023 16:31:41 GMT -6
I still say D-Cat ends up with the Wings. yeah, me too. seems like he is just waiting to get to ufa status so he can go wherever he wants. the wangs need scorers right now, too. |
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Post by Nikos on Jun 5, 2023 17:10:53 GMT -6
I still say D-Cat ends up with the Wings. yeah, me too. seems like he is just waiting to get to ufa status so he can go wherever he wants. the wangs need scorers right now, too. Elliotte Friedmam reporting that the Sens have started exploring trade talks for the Cat. It seems DeBricant wants to wait until the sale of the team is finalized and the Sens will look at the arbitration process as well. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 5, 2023 17:21:38 GMT -6
yeah, me too. seems like he is just waiting to get to ufa status so he can go wherever he wants. the wangs need scorers right now, too. Elliotte Friedmam reporting that the Sens have started exploring trade talks for the Cat. It seems DeBricant wants to wait until the sale of the team is finalized and the Sens will look at the arbitration process as well. with no picks until the 4th round, I could see the Sens being very interested in moving him for a couple picks. the wangs have multiple picks in the first two rounds and LOTS of cap space. I wonder if Yzerman makes a deal here... |
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Post by mvr on Jun 5, 2023 17:36:52 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jun 5, 2023 17:40:49 GMT -6
I still say D-Cat ends up with the Wings. yeah, me too. seems like he is just waiting to get to ufa status so he can go wherever he wants. the wangs need scorers right now, too. You guys will be right if he doesn’t sign long term really soon. He doesn’t have to wait till July 1. With the ownership issues in Ottawa, maybe the Sens don’t have the authority to sign any bigger contracts? Detroit does have the money, and he’s a hometown boy. So maybe it works there for him!!! |
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Post by mvr on Jun 5, 2023 17:41:42 GMT -6
I would gladly take Debrincat back if he would sign for $6 M/year. Perhaps even $7 M.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 5, 2023 17:45:21 GMT -6
I wonder what player that writer thinks "rely" heavily on the PK to score? Writing is a dead art. |
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Post by mvr on Jun 5, 2023 17:46:30 GMT -6
The problem is that $9 M qualifying offer. It is the issue.
Nobody wants to pay this player that kind of money.
But why would Debrincat sign for less? He is one year away from UFA. If the Senators don't qualify him, he enters UFA in three weeks.
This scenario is the entire reason why I wanted him gone last year.
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Post by hsbob on Jun 6, 2023 10:04:39 GMT -6
www.youtube.com/watch?v=46oH-nDHBzw&t=1097sI'll always prefer the 'horse's mouth' to the reporter from the 'Shawarma Palace' or wherever TF he's from. Dorian is very open and forthcoming at the 12:00 mark,he still prefers a long-term(with the right $$$)deal and rumors contained offers north of 8M. He also said he's open to the QO or Arb to keep the guy and he'll trade him if he doesn't want to stay. He didn't say it,but I'm sure he'll trade him if the contract demand is too high as well and he'll still fetch a good return. Dorian mentioned the number of posts D-Cat hit and not playing with the other top forwards,he said 40 isn't out of the question with Norris' return next year. It sounds like they want to keep the talented,young player on their talented,young team after giving-up assets but the writing MIGHT already be on the wall as far as the player's wishes or demands. GM's rarely publicly pump the tires of players they're negotiating with but they often do with players they intend to move,but what do I know. Tkachuk,Stutzle and even Giroux all put-up very impressive,carer numbers playing together most of the year and D-Cat coulda done the same playing with one or two of the other top forwards but it wasn't to be.......Pinto and Batherson were 'to be'. What does a back-back 40gl season with 90pts do to his value VS 27/66? Both of D-Cat's younger linemates hit career highs(both had 20gls)and D-Cat hit his career high in assists helping both but their numbers paled compared to the other top three forwards. Maybe the player or his agent saw this as an attempt to keep his numbers and value down in a contract year and intentional or not.....it did. IMO,it's still in his best interest to take less to stay with such a young,talented team long-term. Ottawa loses over FIVE million in dead space after next year and it sounds like cap increases might be going in a very good direction too.
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Post by hsbob on Jun 6, 2023 11:26:32 GMT -6
He had to fatten-up on the PP last year.......it was the only time he found himself on the ice with the team's other top forwards. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 6, 2023 14:28:58 GMT -6
The problem is that $9 M qualifying offer. It is the issue. Nobody wants to pay this player that kind of money. But why would Debrincat sign for less? He is one year away from UFA. If the Senators don't qualify him, he enters UFA in three weeks. This scenario is the entire reason why I wanted him gone last year. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The last GM always had to be the smartest guy in the room. With this deal for Dcat, he’s absolutely F******* him over. If the qualifying offer was the 6.5 or whatever he’s getting, then there would be a ton of room to negotiate longer term. Can’t blame the kid for wanting to collect his 9 million. I have a feeling that if they don’t sign him, trading him is almost impossible at this point. So I see them possibly letting him walk. Especially with their ownership situation up in the air!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 7, 2023 21:20:56 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jun 8, 2023 10:39:06 GMT -6
It’s a classy move by Dcat. If he doesn’t sign there, give the team a chance to maximize their return. Especially with a sign and trade. Maybe a team gives them a solid haul. Maybe even Washington? They can afford to give up pick 8 and a prospect to get him and sign him long term!!!
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Post by hsbob on Jun 13, 2023 9:25:55 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Jun 15, 2023 9:55:58 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Jun 15, 2023 11:22:28 GMT -6
The Sens could easily have a new HC,I look for a Roy announcement at some time and I'll also look for the new owner to bring his guy Steve Staios in as an advisor for now and the new GM eventually.......it's a bit late in the game to dump Dorion at this point.
Do you sign a long-term,value deal in this scenario when you can become an UFA next summer with a cap rumored to be rising at quite the rate.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 6, 2023 20:03:54 GMT -6
haven't watched him much at all but at first glance it seems a bit ballsy to shell out that much for a defenseman with just 1 pro season under his belt...even with the cap going up. of course, he could turn out to be a steal. it will be interesting to watch this one play out. www.eliteprospects.com/player/413015/jake-sandersonedit: |
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Post by steamer on Sept 7, 2023 7:16:07 GMT -6
When D-cat played there I took more of an interest in seeing them do well. Now not so much. They’ve locked in a solid core but not sure that’s enough and not sure they’ve nailed down the netminder situation?
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