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Post by hsbob on Nov 4, 2022 13:16:43 GMT -6
Do you think there was fan pressure do get the rebuild going quicker? I know the Toronto and Montreal markets are rabid "crazy" fans, not that familiar with Ottawa although that is the capital. I am glad we got Korchinski and hope the Hawks bring his development along at the right pace. I honestly think they wanted to the team to be worth more. But the reality is, they’re not there yet. Their best dman (Sanderson) won’t be a stud for a few more years. And he’ll be the main stud back there. Why rush? Take 2 more years of development and let them gel. Now there’s pressure to win. Why? The other night I seen Tkachuk come down on a breakaway with 6 seconds left. He panicked and shot a puck 4 feet over the net. He’s not ready to be the leader he will be. Toews had no pressure to be anything but himself. He would score those goals. Kane would too. Why? They’re great because someone let them be great. Ottawa is rushing the rebuild and not looking at the bigger prize. This is how to ruin a rebuild. I sure hope the Hawks doesn’t abandon their rebuild halfway through because it’s the sexy thing to do. Ottawa is 2 years away. Even DJ said so!!! Chabot turns 26 in January and he's CLEARLY Ottawa's #1 D-man by leaps and bounds and 27yro Artem Zub's clearly their #2,yes,guys like Tkachuk still need to learn how to win @23 but he's already a 30 goal scorer who'll get better every year,along with several other young Sens. Kane and Toews were "allowed to be great"? They led their team to the WCF in their 2nd year and won a cup in their 3rd. But the Hawks were the exception,teams like TB and the Avs had to be good for a long time before they were great. The time for Ottawa to stop being a door mat is now if they intend to be a serious cup competitor in 2 years and expecting at least a PO push is in no way "ruining" a rebuild.......adding a 24yro elite goal scorer isn't "ruining" a rebuild either! You of all people should know better than summing up a young team's progress for the season after 10 games. Lotta things to re-visit around here in a few months! Five of Ottawa's six losses came against real good teams so far and none by more than one goal with the exception of an EN goal or two and they already beat conference leaders Boston and Dallas,they've scored more than they've allowed so far also. They finished last year 7-2-1 with 33 wins after a brutal start.......they should absolutely be expected to improve. Is the Hawk's rebuild really halfway through after only last year's draft and possibly Reichel because I see mainly veterans who'll be gone in a year or two and very few young players........it appears to be barely started and very possibly problematic W/O one of next summer's draft studs. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 4, 2022 13:23:27 GMT -6
I’ve heard that DJ Smith may be out soon. I love the guy and hope he stays. But the reality is that they need some W’s soon. I still don’t think they’re there. I still believe they’re in rebuild mode and should’ve had Korchinski in their prospect pool. I still believe they’re 2-3 years off of being something special. Can’t rush these things!!! Do you think there was fan pressure do get the rebuild going quicker? I know the Toronto and Montreal markets are rabid "crazy" fans, not that familiar with Ottawa although that is the capital. I am glad we got Korchinski and hope the Hawks bring his development along at the right pace. Is there ANYTHING Alex DeBincat can do over the course of his career that'll make you rethink that statement.......anything,or are you already counting chickens that haven't yet hatched? |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 4, 2022 14:33:25 GMT -6
Do you think there was fan pressure do get the rebuild going quicker? I know the Toronto and Montreal markets are rabid "crazy" fans, not that familiar with Ottawa although that is the capital. I am glad we got Korchinski and hope the Hawks bring his development along at the right pace. Is there ANYTHING Alex DeBincat can do over the course of his career that'll make you rethink that statement.......anything,or are you already counting chickens that haven't yet hatched? I like you love the Cat, it became pretty clear that KD was going to go into full rebuild and he was going to try and get the best deal for him. Now we can argue if he did get the best deal and his pending RFA probably limited some of his trade value. What I seen and read so far about Korchinski is exciting and hopeful. I still root for the Cat and follow him on how he is doing, nothing but respect and admiration for #12. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 5, 2022 9:29:49 GMT -6
Is there ANYTHING Alex DeBincat can do over the course of his career that'll make you rethink that statement.......anything,or are you already counting chickens that haven't yet hatched? I like you love the Cat, it became pretty clear that KD was going to go into full rebuild and he was going to try and get the best deal for him. Now we can argue if he did did get the best deal and his pending RFA probably limited some of his trade value. What I seen and read so far about Korchinski is exciting and hopeful. I still root for the Cat and follow him on how he is doing, nothing but respect and admiration for #12. The team ended up with a very promising D prospect with the pick and God knows they needed one,the 'full rebuild' isn't exactly what I'm seeing on the ice at the moment though. This is the first 'rebuild' I've ever seen that included trading/moving a 21yro forward,a 23 forward,a 24yro elite forward,a 25yro starting center and a 1st round 23yro D-man while keeping EVERY single high paid veteran and adding many more veterans and while playing only a kid or two at a time. Kane and Toews would be a touchy situation for any GM with their popularity and their NMC's,not to mention their ticket and apparel selling ability. S Jones' NMC is also a hurdle but were the three asked to waive finding the prospect of playing on a young,losing team unappealing as many suggested or were the other veterans kept and even more brought in in to make the team more appealing and competitive? And why? LR intends to have an even better November......... The guy's nature is to try to win every game he coaches and of course we want that in a HC,KD seems like a smart guy who had to know his HC's intentions after one interview,why give him the tools to do so? What we have to hope for now,is some of those kept and added veterans bring a decent return at the TDL and a good HC doesn't do too much damage(winning) with em till then.......not a whole lot of game left to lose after the TDL. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 6, 2022 12:22:15 GMT -6
Hold Philly to 28 shots,get Talbot back to stop 26 of em and still lose another 1 goal game 2-1 while going 0 for 5 on the PP.......after scoring four against a better LV team in their previous 1 goal loss. Another Tuesday night at home to the Nucks could spell doom for Smith.
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 6, 2022 15:44:00 GMT -6
Hold Philly to 28 shots,get Talbot back to stop 26 of em and still lose another 1 goal game 2-1 while going 0 for 5 on the PP.......after scoring four against a better LV team in their previous 1 goal loss. Another Tuesday night at home to the Nucks could spell doom for Smith. Too bad they don't play the Hawks till Feb and March. That would end any drought they may be in. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 9, 2022 7:31:54 GMT -6
I think DJ holds on a wee bit longer. But if results don’t start coming, it’s probably curtains for him. 2 goals in 12 games for Dcat is troubling. They need him to snipe, DJs gotta find a way to get him going. Change up the lines.
But Dorion shouldn’t be innocent in all of this. I give them to game 20 to start to turn things around. I still believe Dorion jumped the gun and tried to expedite the rebuild. I understand. But Giroux is not the 2014 version of Giroux. Dcat needs someone to get him the puck. Maybe they need to set up Chabot a little differently on the pp and have him feed Dcat one timers? Or maybe the team just isn’t there yet? Maybe they need another year or two of mediocrity before the youth becomes 4-5 year vets and then they take off?
As it sits now, I won’t jump to too many conclusions. I’ll wait for I’ll the 20 game mark and see where they’re at. At the 1/4 season mark, or Yanksgiving, we usually see what a team is made of. The only exception to the rule? St. Louis when they won the Cup!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 9, 2022 8:07:12 GMT -6
I think DJ holds on a wee bit longer. But if results don’t start coming, it’s probably curtains for him. 2 goals in 12 games for Dcat is troubling. They need him to snipe, DJs gotta find a way to get him going. Change up the lines. d-cat leads the team in shots with 52 but is sporting a horrible 3.9 shooting %. that's an obvious sub par number for him but at least he's getting his shots away. and he's still got 11 points in 12 games. i don't watch them enough to speculate but judging by the numbers alone, maybe you leave him be. edit: on another topic, pretty clever how the sens broke the news here. |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 9, 2022 8:34:18 GMT -6
I think DJ holds on a wee bit longer. But if results don’t start coming, it’s probably curtains for him. 2 goals in 12 games for Dcat is troubling. They need him to snipe, DJs gotta find a way to get him going. Change up the lines. d-cat leads the team in shots with 52 but is sporting a horrible 3.9 shooting %. that's an obvious sub par number for him but at least he's getting his shots away. and he's still got 11 points in 12 games. i don't watch them enough to speculate but judging by the numbers alone, maybe you leave him be. edit: on another topic, pretty clever how the sens broke the news here. Thanks for sharing, very cool on how he found out his jersey is being retired. |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 9, 2022 8:54:48 GMT -6
I think DJ holds on a wee bit longer. But if results don’t start coming, it’s probably curtains for him. 2 goals in 12 games for Dcat is troubling. They need him to snipe, DJs gotta find a way to get him going. Change up the lines. d-cat leads the team in shots with 52 but is sporting a horrible 3.9 shooting %. that's an obvious sub par number for him but at least he's getting his shots away. and he's still got 11 points in 12 games. i don't watch them enough to speculate but judging by the numbers alone, maybe you leave him be. edit: on another topic, pretty clever how the sens broke the news here. that was fantastic. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 9, 2022 11:38:03 GMT -6
Giroux/D-Cat/Stutzel look good all PS long and Tkachuk/Batherson/Norris look as good as they did last year too but come opening night and we see neither line combo for some reason and little of either 5 on 5 since. Norris' injury complicated things but I still go Tkachuck/Batherson,due to their prior chemistry and familiarity and Giroux/D-Cat due to theirs' in the PS and maybe tinker with where you put Stutzle and Pinto after moving up. Pinto's moving up seems to have adversely affected the formerly effective 3rd line of him/Motte/Joesph more than it's helped his new line,he was on fire with 6 goals in his first 8 games.....none in his last 4 and Motte had 2/7 in his first 8 games.......nothing in his last four. Might want to put that line back together and move a young guy like Kastelic up for a top-six look.....or maybe Brassard if he gets his 35yro legs under him. Goals should come soon but D-Cat looks faster than ever to pucks,he's keeping pucks alive in the O-zone,his stick-handling,play making and especially his passing and on-ice vision all look improved. He's been very engaged in his 20+ minutes a night and the chances are there.....he's gotta get goin' on the PP like he always has. His first assist last night shows his speed and hustle to the puck and helped the team gain one of it's first TWO leads..... www.nhl.com/video/batherson-opens-the-scoring/t-335465504/c-13640887His 2nd was a nice chip-pass,showing improved on-ice vision reminiscent of Patrick Kane as are his stops and reversals along the half-boards now,he was paying attention..... www.nhl.com/video/t-335465504/c-13643866 22yro d-man Bernard-Docker got his 1st point of the season in his 1st game but sitting Holden(+2 9gms)so Zaitsev(-3 7gms) can see 11:47TOI makes little sense to me. Chabot hasn't looked good without Zub and he ain't makin' the upcoming two-game trip. No shit Sherlock..... All eight regulation losses were one goal losses with the execption of a few EN goals and the team had a lead in seven of em. Held the last two opponents to 28SOG's after giving up way too many,out-shot,out-hit and won more draws(56.5-43.5%) and had more TKA's(12-3) than the Nucks after coming out flying last night. The team had two 1st period leads,doubled em up in SOG's(35-16)through two,2 for 5 on the PP and killed three.....and again come away with zero points! |
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Post by steamer on Nov 9, 2022 14:42:27 GMT -6
I think DJ holds on a wee bit longer. But if results don’t start coming, it’s probably curtains for him. 2 goals in 12 games for Dcat is troubling. They need him to snipe, DJs gotta find a way to get him going. Change up the lines. But Dorion shouldn’t be innocent in all of this. I give them to game 20 to start to turn things around. I still believe Dorion jumped the gun and tried to expedite the rebuild. I understand. But Giroux is not the 2014 version of Giroux. Dcat needs someone to get him the puck. Maybe they need to set up Chabot a little differently on the pp and have him feed Dcat one timers? Or maybe the team just isn’t there yet? Maybe they need another year or two of mediocrity before the youth becomes 4-5 year vets and then they take off? As it sits now, I won’t jump to too many conclusions. I’ll wait for I’ll the 20 game mark and see where they’re at. At the 1/4 season mark, or Yanksgiving, we usually see what a team is made of. The only exception to the rule? St. Louis when they won the Cup!!! Yeah - we don't need to see that happen with the Blues again. But it is early still and the standings are going to change quite a bit from where they are now. They better!! |
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Post by BigT on Nov 9, 2022 20:58:19 GMT -6
Giroux/D-Cat/Stutzel look good all PS long and Tkachuk/Batherson/Norris look as good as they did last year too but come opening night and we see neither line combo for some reason and little of either 5 on 5 since. Norris' injury complicated things but I still go Tkachuck/Batherson,due to their prior chemistry and familiarity and Giroux/D-Cat due to theirs' in the PS and maybe tinker with where you put Stutzle and Pinto after moving up. Pinto's moving up seems to have adversely affected the formerly effective 3rd line of him/Motte/Joesph more than it's helped his new line,he was on fire with 6 goals in his first 8 games.....none in his last 4 and Motte had 2/7 in his first 8 games.......nothing in his last four. Might want to put that line back together and move a young guy like Kastelic up for a top-six look.....or maybe Brassard if he gets his 35yro legs under him. Goals should come soon but D-Cat looks faster than ever to pucks,he's keeping pucks alive in the O-zone,his stick-handling,play making and especially his passing and on-ice vision all look improved. He's been very engaged in his 20+ minutes a night and the chances are there.....he's gotta get goin' on the PP like he always has. His first assist last night shows his speed and hustle to the puck and helped the team gain one of it's first TWO leads..... www.nhl.com/video/batherson-opens-the-scoring/t-335465504/c-13640887His 2nd was a nice chip-pass,showing improved on-ice vision reminiscent of Patrick Kane as are his stops and reversals along the half-boards now,he was paying attention..... www.nhl.com/video/t-335465504/c-13643866 22yro d-man Bernard-Docker got his 1st point of the season in his 1st game but sitting Holden(+2 9gms)so Zaitsev(-3 7gms) can see 11:47TOI makes little sense to me. Chabot hasn't looked good without Zub and he ain't makin' the upcoming two-game trip. No shit Sherlock..... All eight regulation losses were one goal losses with the execption of a few EN goals and the team had a lead in seven of em. Held the last two opponents to 28SOG's after giving up way too many,out-shot,out-hit and won more draws(56.5-43.5%) and had more TKA's(12-3) than the Nucks after coming out flying last night. The team had two 1st period leads,doubled em up in SOG's(35-16)through two,2 for 5 on the PP and killed three.....and again come away with zero points! I don’t disagree with you. I know DJ personally. He’s a fantastic guy. Trust me. His son Colton plays for the Spitfires now. I’m rooting for the guy. But I think this team isn’t anywhere near a contender yet. And for some reason they’re putting the pressure on DJ to make this team a contender. Can’t make chicken salad outta chicken shit. I still believe they’re 2 years off of being a serious threat. I hope they don’t fire him. But the reality is he’s pretty much gone. Unless they make the playoffs, he’s done. I’d be surprised if he lasted till Yanksgiving. DJ is a players coach and he’s the guys best friend. But he can only do so much with this roster. Still shady tendys. Shady D, and only 2 and a half lines. It’s just not there yet. They’re not far off of the Hawks of last year. Pretty much the same thing!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 10, 2022 9:15:30 GMT -6
Giroux/D-Cat/Stutzel look good all PS long and Tkachuk/Batherson/Norris look as good as they did last year too but come opening night and we see neither line combo for some reason and little of either 5 on 5 since. Norris' injury complicated things but I still go Tkachuck/Batherson,due to their prior chemistry and familiarity and Giroux/D-Cat due to theirs' in the PS and maybe tinker with where you put Stutzle and Pinto after moving up. Pinto's moving up seems to have adversely affected the formerly effective 3rd line of him/Motte/Joesph more than it's helped his new line,he was on fire with 6 goals in his first 8 games.....none in his last 4 and Motte had 2/7 in his first 8 games.......nothing in his last four. Might want to put that line back together and move a young guy like Kastelic up for a top-six look.....or maybe Brassard if he gets his 35yro legs under him. Goals should come soon but D-Cat looks faster than ever to pucks,he's keeping pucks alive in the O-zone,his stick-handling,play making and especially his passing and on-ice vision all look improved. He's been very engaged in his 20+ minutes a night and the chances are there.....he's gotta get goin' on the PP like he always has. His first assist last night shows his speed and hustle to the puck and helped the team gain one of it's first TWO leads..... www.nhl.com/video/batherson-opens-the-scoring/t-335465504/c-13640887His 2nd was a nice chip-pass,showing improved on-ice vision reminiscent of Patrick Kane as are his stops and reversals along the half-boards now,he was paying attention..... www.nhl.com/video/t-335465504/c-13643866 22yro d-man Bernard-Docker got his 1st point of the season in his 1st game but sitting Holden(+2 9gms)so Zaitsev(-3 7gms) can see 11:47TOI makes little sense to me. Chabot hasn't looked good without Zub and he ain't makin' the upcoming two-game trip. No shit Sherlock..... All eight regulation losses were one goal losses with the execption of a few EN goals and the team had a lead in seven of em. Held the last two opponents to 28SOG's after giving up way too many,out-shot,out-hit and won more draws(56.5-43.5%) and had more TKA's(12-3) than the Nucks after coming out flying last night. The team had two 1st period leads,doubled em up in SOG's(35-16)through two,2 for 5 on the PP and killed three.....and again come away with zero points! I don’t disagree with you. I know DJ personally. He’s a fantastic guy. Trust me. His son Colton plays for the Spitfires now. I’m rooting for the guy. But I think this team isn’t anywhere near a contender yet. And for some reason they’re putting the pressure on DJ to make this team a contender. Can’t make chicken salad outta chicken shit. I still believe they’re 2 years off of being a serious threat. I hope they don’t fire him. But the reality is he’s pretty much gone. Unless they make the playoffs, he’s done. I’d be surprised if he lasted till Yanksgiving. DJ is a players coach and he’s the guys best friend. But he can only do so much with this roster. Still shady tendys. Shady D, and only 2 and a half lines. It’s just not there yet. They’re not far off of the Hawks of last year. Pretty much the same thing!!! I don't know the guy or his kid but if I did,it wouldn't affect my opinion of his coaching just because of it.....it's still too early to make a call on him anyway. Dorian said his job is safe for now. Nobody thought Buffalo,NJ,Det or Seattle were ready either and the Habs look better than expected,none of these teams have a better roster. 24yro DeBrincat 41/78 last year 23yro Tkachuk 30/67 23yro Norris 35/55 IRL 24yro Batherson 17/44....in 46 games Other than the one at the top of the list we traded.......what young,drafted forward from last year's Hawks' team compares to any of these? Add Giroux 7/11 54% through 12 games and an AS GT from last year and this is chicken shit? This team shouldn't improve? Not sure why the hard-on for the Sens,unless it's because D-Cat ended up there......didn't you say trading a 1st for the 24yro elite forward would set their rebuild back? The team has SIX 1st round picks and a 2nd in their lineup all 25 or under,two 1st's and two 2nd's close and all of their 1st's and 2nd's the next three years. The team traded aways some great players to acquire all of these picks and none have disappointed........it's shit or get off the pot at some point.....can't rebuild forever. I won't take this opportunity to dis DJ the way you dissed the talented,young roster but not all HC's work well with a team full of kids like the HC's we see in NJ,Buffalo,Det,Mtl and Seattle. The team won 10 more games last year than the year before,all their young players played well and improved,they added an elite goal scorer,an outstanding veteran center known for his leadership and a reliable GT and the Org shouldn't have expectations? Patrick Kane has 2/10 through 12 games and DeBrincat has 2/11 through 12 games,the two obviously miss each other........we'll see who misses who more as the year goes on. Is it "troubling" that Kane only has two goals at this point? Getting zero points outta eight 1 goal losses after leading in seven of em reflects on the staff w/o a doubt though......gotta dig SOME points out of eight 1 goal losses and a goal differential of only -2. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 10, 2022 15:23:33 GMT -6
I don’t disagree with you. I know DJ personally. He’s a fantastic guy. Trust me. His son Colton plays for the Spitfires now. I’m rooting for the guy. But I think this team isn’t anywhere near a contender yet. And for some reason they’re putting the pressure on DJ to make this team a contender. Can’t make chicken salad outta chicken shit. I still believe they’re 2 years off of being a serious threat. I hope they don’t fire him. But the reality is he’s pretty much gone. Unless they make the playoffs, he’s done. I’d be surprised if he lasted till Yanksgiving. DJ is a players coach and he’s the guys best friend. But he can only do so much with this roster. Still shady tendys. Shady D, and only 2 and a half lines. It’s just not there yet. They’re not far off of the Hawks of last year. Pretty much the same thing!!! I don't know the guy or his kid but if I did,it wouldn't affect my opinion of his coaching just because of it.....it's still too early to make a call on him anyway. Dorian said his job is safe for now. Nobody thought Buffalo,NJ,Det or Seattle were ready either and the Habs look better than expected,none of these teams have a better roster. 24yro DeBrincat 41/78 last year 23yro Tkachuk 30/67 23yro Norris 35/55 IRL 24yro Batherson 17/44....in 46 games Other than the one at the top of the list we traded.......what young,drafted forward from last year's Hawks' team compares to any of these? Add Giroux 7/11 54% through 12 games and an AS GT from last year and this is chicken shit? This team shouldn't improve? Not sure why the hard-on for the Sens,unless it's because D-Cat ended up there......didn't you say trading a 1st for the 24yro elite forward would set their rebuild back? The team has SIX 1st round picks and a 2nd in their lineup all 25 or under,two 1st's and two 2nd's close and all of their 1st's and 2nd's the next three years. The team traded aways some great players to acquire all of these picks and none have disappointed........it's shit or get off the pot at some point.....can't rebuild forever. I won't take this opportunity to dis DJ the way you dissed the talented,young roster but not all HC's work well with a team full of kids like the HC's we see in NJ,Buffalo,Det,Mtl and Seattle. The team won 10 more games last year than the year before,all their young players played well and improved,they added an elite goal scorer,an outstanding veteran center known for his leadership and a reliable GT and the Org shouldn't have expectations? Patrick Kane has 2/10 through 12 games and DeBrincat has 2/11 through 12 games,the two obviously miss each other........we'll see who misses who more as the year goes on. Is it "troubling" that Kane only has two goals at this point? Getting zero points outta eight 1 goal losses after leading in seven of em reflects on the staff w/o a doubt though......gotta dig SOME points out of eight 1 goal losses and a goal differential of only -2. It seems you’re trying to justify the Sens shitty performance. Trust me, they haven’t been over the moon with Dcats performance so far either. Maybe all the stats about Dcats past don’t mean anything this year? Or next? Let’s be honest. You only have this thread because Dcat went there. If he went to NJ, there’d be a NJ thread and not a Sens thread. The Sens were literally a bottom 7 team last year. They didn’t get much better. We’ll see if Dcat is the player you claim he is. I think he was more of a by product of Kane. Kevin Fiala was supposed to be a sniper too. But now he doesn’t have Kaprizov feeding him, so he has 3 goals in 15 games. I like Dcat, but I just don’t see him in the same light you do. It’s ok to disagree. I don’t wish harm on Dcat cuz he’s no longer a Hawk. I just don’t have an axe to grind cuz he’s gone. Good luck to the kid. I just don’t believe he’s an NHL 40 goal scorer with out Kane. And right now he’s proving it!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 11, 2022 9:35:15 GMT -6
I don't know the guy or his kid but if I did,it wouldn't affect my opinion of his coaching just because of it.....it's still too early to make a call on him anyway. Dorian said his job is safe for now. Nobody thought Buffalo,NJ,Det or Seattle were ready either and the Habs look better than expected,none of these teams have a better roster. 24yro DeBrincat 41/78 last year 23yro Tkachuk 30/67 23yro Norris 35/55 IRL 24yro Batherson 17/44....in 46 games Other than the one at the top of the list we traded.......what young,drafted forward from last year's Hawks' team compares to any of these? Add Giroux 7/11 54% through 12 games and an AS GT from last year and this is chicken shit? This team shouldn't improve? Not sure why the hard-on for the Sens,unless it's because D-Cat ended up there......didn't you say trading a 1st for the 24yro elite forward would set their rebuild back? The team has SIX 1st round picks and a 2nd in their lineup all 25 or under,two 1st's and two 2nd's close and all of their 1st's and 2nd's the next three years. The team traded aways some great players to acquire all of these picks and none have disappointed........it's shit or get off the pot at some point.....can't rebuild forever. I won't take this opportunity to dis DJ the way you dissed the talented,young roster but not all HC's work well with a team full of kids like the HC's we see in NJ,Buffalo,Det,Mtl and Seattle. The team won 10 more games last year than the year before,all their young players played well and improved,they added an elite goal scorer,an outstanding veteran center known for his leadership and a reliable GT and the Org shouldn't have expectations? Patrick Kane has 2/10 through 12 games and DeBrincat has 2/11 through 12 games,the two obviously miss each other........we'll see who misses who more as the year goes on. Is it "troubling" that Kane only has two goals at this point? Getting zero points outta eight 1 goal losses after leading in seven of em reflects on the staff w/o a doubt though......gotta dig SOME points out of eight 1 goal losses and a goal differential of only -2. It seems you’re trying to justify the Sens shitty performance. Trust me, they haven’t been over the moon with Dcats performance so far either. Maybe all the stats about Dcats past don’t mean anything this year? Or next? Let’s be honest. You only have this thread because Dcat went there. If he went to NJ, there’d be a NJ thread and not a Sens thread. The Sens were literally a bottom 7 team last year. They didn’t get much better. We’ll see if Dcat is the player you claim he is. I think he was more of a by product of Kane. Kevin Fiala was supposed to be a sniper too. But now he doesn’t have Kaprizov feeding him, so he has 3 goals in 15 games. I like Dcat, but I just don’t see him in the same light you do. It’s ok to disagree. I don’t wish harm on Dcat cuz he’s no longer a Hawk. I just don’t have an axe to grind cuz he’s gone. Good luck to the kid. I just don’t believe he’s an NHL 40 goal scorer with out Kane. And right now he’s proving it!!! I started this thread because I didn't want to clutter up the 'around the league' thread,just as someone else did when Q went to Fla and of course to follow the ex-Hawk player,it can be ignored.....that's okay. Nobody's more frustrated than the kid himself as far as goal scoring but I've listened to most games and the guys doin' em love the kid's effort and his coach must trust him since he sees big minutes.....I'll trust that for now. Saying a 24yro averaging 36 goals a year through his first five years stats don't mean anything isn't grinding an ax? A lotta guys played with Kane but few were the by products that Panarin and D-Cat were.....top six forwards play with other to six forwards. Fiala also has 15pts but he's NO snipper like DeBrincat! Fiala has a single 30 goal season @26 and a .294GpG avg,the real snipper averages 36 and has a .425GpG avg.....nice try though. Not sure what's proven after 13 games but if that's the measuring-stick,Kane only has 2 goals and 1 fewer assist at this all-important point of the season.......he'll miss D-Cat as much as D-Cat will miss him and isn't he proving it too. Huberdeau has 1,Kopitar has 2gls,Kuznetsov has 2gls,Kane and Cat have 2,Marner,McKinnon and Seguin all have 3 and TT's yet to pot one for the Canes in 14gms.......I doubt any are over-concerned about a month in. Back to the team Moving Pinto back to the 3rd line resulted in 2gls and a bunch of excited buddies of his from UND watching last night but it moved 35yro Brassard up w/D-Cat and Batherson,they really miss their 23yro 35 goal scorer from last year but it sounds like Norris won't need surgery on that shoulder......nice to finally get at least a point out of another 1 goal game they led though. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 11, 2022 21:50:05 GMT -6
We’ll just agree to disagree. I definitely do not see Dcat in the same light you do. It DOES NOT mean I don’t like the kid. I just. Don’t think he’s elite. Elite means you’re the best at what you do.
Dcat was 14th in goals last year. Very good. Just not not elite. 37th in points. Pretty good. Definitely not elite. When you’re not in the top 5 in any offensive category, probably not elite. When you’re not top 10. Definitely not elite.
I was listening to Zawaski the other day. He said exactly what I’ve echoed. Dcat doesn’t create offense on his own. He’s an accent piece. Now he doesn’t have an elite player with him. So he’s not getting the same results. Go figure!!!
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Post by hsbob on Nov 12, 2022 15:34:26 GMT -6
We’ll just agree to disagree. I definitely do not see Dcat in the same light you do. It DOES NOT mean I don’t like the kid. I just. Don’t think he’s elite. Elite means you’re the best at what you do. Dcat was 14th in goals last year. Very good. Just not not elite. 37th in points. Pretty good. Definitely not elite. When you’re not in the top 5 in any offensive category, probably not elite. When you’re not top 10. Definitely not elite. I was listening to Zawaski the other day. He said exactly what I’ve echoed. Dcat doesn’t create offense on his own. He’s an accent piece. Now he doesn’t have an elite player with him. So he’s not getting the same results. Go figure!!! It's okay to critically assess any player and the term 'elite' is an opinion,I didn't think I was off-base using it about a 24yro averaging 36gls his first five years and making the ASG last year. Tied for 13th last year w/41 in a wide open season but 3rd in 21 and tied for 6th in 19 if that's the criteria. Like I said,an opinion and it's hard to argue opinions......I consider 'eilte' as being ONE OF the best at what you do,not necessarily THE best.......there's many 'elite' players in hockey IMO......JMO. I didn't listen to Zawaski but I already knew every snipper needs to be set-up and his PpG pace the last two years says more than an accent piece,or at least it used to. Did he mention Kane's results so far w/o DeBrincat? |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 12, 2022 15:49:33 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 12, 2022 16:07:54 GMT -6
Maybe that gets the monkey off D-cats back.
Not to mention he scored me 6 points in the fantasy league.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 14, 2022 10:18:38 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Nov 17, 2022 13:05:16 GMT -6
Nice win after another tough loss on Monday and D-Cat got his 5th off a nice feed from Joeseph. The Sens are 6-9-1 with 5 EN's allowed with the same +1 goal differential as 9-6-1 TB,current wild card teams EDT and CGY are -1 and -3 respectively. Maybe 5 outta the last 8 points helps the young team win more close games. Chabot and Zub being out has resulted in big minutes for Sanderson who looks better very game,he was big in killing 7 of 8 Buffalo PP's.
Speaking of the Sabres.....WTF happened to then after a good start? They looked awful losing their 7th straight.
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 17, 2022 13:47:30 GMT -6
Nice win after another tough loss on Monday and D-Cat got his 5th off a nice feed from Joeseph. The Sens are 6-9-1 with 5 EN's allowed with the same +1 goal differential as 9-6-1 TB,current wild card teams EDT and CGY are -1 and -3 respectively. Maybe 5 outta the last 8 points helps the young team win more close games. Chabot and Zub being out has resulted in big minutes for Sanderson who looks better very game,he was big in killing 7 of 8 Buffalo PP's. Speaking of the Sabres.....WTF happened to then after a good start? They looked awful losing their 7th straight. Waiting for their rematch with the Hawks. Also wanting in the Bedard derby. They gotta replace Eichel somehow. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 17, 2022 20:24:38 GMT -6
I know it’s the Sens thread. But I do not believe the Sabres are able to get the 1st overall as they’ve had 2 in the last 5 years. That’s why we knew 100% Buffalo wasn’t getting it last year and neither was NJ.
But it is nice to see the Sens win a bit more. Also SJ, Anaheim, Vancouver and especially the Blues. Hawks should be fast tracked to the bottom of the pile real soon. Looking good. Keep it up Sens!!!
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Post by steamer on Nov 18, 2022 9:27:32 GMT -6
I know it’s the Sens thread. But I do not believe the Sabres are able to get the 1st overall as they’ve had 2 in the last 5 years. That’s why we knew 100% Buffalo wasn’t getting it last year and neither was NJ. But it is nice to see the Sens win a bit more. Also SJ, Anaheim, Vancouver and especially the Blues. Hawks should be fast tracked to the bottom of the pile real soon. Looking good. Keep it up Sens!!! Blues passed the Hawks and unlikely to look back so now 7 teams are below them in the standings including Buffalo. I thought before the season that Buffalo and Ottawa were better than the Hawks but not so far. It's early yet. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 18, 2022 9:47:52 GMT -6
I know it’s the Sens thread. But I do not believe the Sabres are able to get the 1st overall as they’ve had 2 in the last 5 years. That’s why we knew 100% Buffalo wasn’t getting it last year and neither was NJ. But it is nice to see the Sens win a bit more. Also SJ, Anaheim, Vancouver and especially the Blues. Hawks should be fast tracked to the bottom of the pile real soon. Looking good. Keep it up Sens!!! The guys on NHL radio RIPPED into the Sabres Wednesday over their 6th straight loss to Van the night before. I thought they over-did it a bit being a 1 goal loss I didn't see but they looked disinterested the next night in Ott too. Lose seven straight after a 7-3-0 start? Almost 22M in cap space with their 1st and three 2nd's next summer.....they coulda got that team some help and still have been 10M under.....and kept their 1st and probably a 2nd too......or all of em if they plucked a few decent players off the UFA market. I wasn't familiar with DJ coming into this year but he's had his young team in every game so far,with a chance to win every one. His young players,INCLUDING D-Cat have to give DJ more. He's scrambling w/o his #1 D-men but both should return within a week and he's brought Sanderson along nicely so far........Dorian gave him another vote of confidence this week. |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 18, 2022 10:58:42 GMT -6
I know it’s the Sens thread. But I do not believe the Sabres are able to get the 1st overall as they’ve had 2 in the last 5 years. That’s why we knew 100% Buffalo wasn’t getting it last year and neither was NJ. But it is nice to see the Sens win a bit more. Also SJ, Anaheim, Vancouver and especially the Blues. Hawks should be fast tracked to the bottom of the pile real soon. Looking good. Keep it up Sens!!! The guys on NHL radio RIPPED into the Sabres Wednesday over their 6th straight loss to Van the night before. I thought they over-did it a bit being a 1 goal loss I didn't see but they looked disinterested the next night in Ott too. Lose seven straight after a 7-3-0 start? Almost 22M in cap space with their 1st and three 2nd's next summer.....they coulda got that team some help and still have been 10M under.....and kept their 1st and probably a 2nd too......or all of em if they plucked a few decent players off the UFA market. I wasn't familiar with DJ coming into this year but he's had his young team in every game so far,with a chance to win every one. His young players,INCLUDING D-Cat have to give DJ more. He's scrambling w/o his #1 D-men but both should return within a week and he's brought Sanderson along nicely so far........Dorian gave him another vote of confidence this week. The Sanderson kid is going to be a star, future #1 dmen. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 18, 2022 11:14:05 GMT -6
I know it’s the Sens thread. But I do not believe the Sabres are able to get the 1st overall as they’ve had 2 in the last 5 years. That’s why we knew 100% Buffalo wasn’t getting it last year and neither was NJ. But it is nice to see the Sens win a bit more. Also SJ, Anaheim, Vancouver and especially the Blues. Hawks should be fast tracked to the bottom of the pile real soon. Looking good. Keep it up Sens!!! The guys on NHL radio RIPPED into the Sabres Wednesday over their 6th straight loss to Van the night before. I thought they over-did it a bit being a 1 goal loss I didn't see but they looked disinterested the next night in Ott too. Lose seven straight after a 7-3-0 start? Almost 22M in cap space with their 1st and three 2nd's next summer.....they coulda got that team some help and still have been 10M under.....and kept their 1st and probably a 2nd too......or all of em if they plucked a few decent players off the UFA market. I wasn't familiar with DJ coming into this year but he's had his young team in every game so far,with a chance to win every one. His young players,INCLUDING D-Cat have to give DJ more. He's scrambling w/o his #1 D-men but both should return within a week and he's brought Sanderson along nicely so far........ Dorian gave him another vote of confidence this week.That usually means you're about to get fired. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 19, 2022 9:49:22 GMT -6
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Post by steamer on Nov 19, 2022 10:46:10 GMT -6
This is a good opportunity for Sens to have a big game. They need it and it would help the Hawks to have Sens catch fire and elevate themselves in the standings. |
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