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Post by hsbob on May 4, 2024 9:10:24 GMT -6
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/the-ottawa-senators-need-so-much-more-from-their-two-8-million-centres/ar-AA1o6VVC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d9c3d39faf0047f3a91dacddc5339b6a&ei=74I just can't see Ottawa NOT staying committed to their 25 and 22yro,#1 & #2 centers. Stutzle saw a regression in offensive production after a 39/90 season @21,he was a bit dinged-up and possibly a bit frustrated too since his two-way game also regressed but his FO% improved nicely. Josh Norris is another story injury-wise but the team expects him to recover over the summer....again,and be ready at the start or soon after.....again. There's NO way they move-on from Stutzle IMO and moving-on from Norris now with 6X7.95M due would be selling low. 6'2" 200lb 25yros do heal and Norris' play when healthy has been impressive,the Sens pretty much have to stay the course and hope for sustained health with Norris. Ridly Greig had a nice rookie debut @3lc in Pinto's 1st half absence @21,he saw some PP and some PK time and he put-up a commendable +10 on a -26 team. Greig's 835K hit next year and his cost efficient RFA status afterward is exactly what a team paying their top two centers 16M needs. Big Brady and Giroux are still career centers too,regardless what Ott wants to call em and both still take tons of draws. This leaves Shane Pinto and I don't see how the Sens can offer a 3.5-5M re-do without moving-out an expensive center first.
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Post by vadarx on May 4, 2024 9:27:21 GMT -6
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/the-ottawa-senators-need-so-much-more-from-their-two-8-million-centres/ar-AA1o6VVC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d9c3d39faf0047f3a91dacddc5339b6a&ei=74I just can't see Ottawa NOT staying committed to their 25 and 22yro,#1 & #2 centers. Stutzle saw a regression in offensive production after a 39/90 season @21,he was a bit dinged-up and possibly a bit frustrated too since his two-way game also regressed but his FO% improved nicely. Josh Norris is another story injury-wise but the team expects him to recover over the summer....again,and be ready at the start or soon after.....again. There's NO way they move-on from Stutzle IMO and moving-on from Norris now with 6X7.95M due would be selling low. 6'2" 200lb 25yros do heal and Norris' play when healthy has been impressive,the Sens pretty much have to stay the course and hope for sustained health with Norris. Ridly Greig had a nice rookie debut @3lc in Pinto's 1st half absence @21,he saw some PP and some PK time and he put-up a commendable +10 on a -26 team. Greig's 835K hit next year and his cost efficient RFA status afterward is exactly what a team paying their top two centers 16M needs. Big Brady and Giroux are still career centers too,regardless what Ott wants to call em and both still take tons of draws. This leaves Shane Pinto and I don't see how the Sens can offer a 3.5-5M re-do without moving-out an expensive center first. I wonder what Ottawa would want for any of these guys (minus Stutzle, of course). I know Big T brought up trading down with them and adding Pinto to do so. they need RHD and there are a few that might pique their interest it seems to me. maybe they look to move up to get their man before someone else does? |
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Post by BigT on May 4, 2024 14:10:25 GMT -6
I’m not saying there wouldn’t be other moving parts involved. I’m saying this is the base of the trade. Hawks get 3rd overall we’ll say. So the Hawks trade 3rd overall to Ottawa for 7th overall and Shane Pinto. Hawks can offer him an 8 year 48-50 million deal. He gets 6+ million for a while. With the cap rising here to 87.5. Gotta think 6-6.25 for Pinto is a steal long term. You get his best years and he gets almost 50 million. It’s a win win!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 4, 2024 22:38:23 GMT -6
I’m not saying there wouldn’t be other moving parts involved. I’m saying this is the base of the trade. Hawks get 3rd overall we’ll say. So the Hawks trade 3rd overall to Ottawa for 7th overall and Shane Pinto. Hawks can offer him an 8 year 48-50 million deal. He gets 6+ million for a while. With the cap rising here to 87.5. Gotta think 6-6.25 for Pinto is a steal long term. You get his best years and he gets almost 50 million. It’s a win win!!! If the Sens want Levshunov or Parekh they'd have to give up Pinto to move up, with the 7th Chicago will still get a really good prospect, Lindstrom, Yakemchuk, Silayev, etc. And Pinto for 8yrs sounds good, he's exactly what Chicago needs on the top6. |
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Post by hsbob on May 5, 2024 10:26:04 GMT -6
I still don't think it'd take much at all to get 25yro Mark Kastelic included in any deal with the Sens. The big,rugged 4LC has won over 56% of his draws through 144 games and has 331 hits in those 144 games too,most with emphasis. If the 6'4" 226lb,certified badass only plays to the level of a 4LC for his 835K hit(with RFA rights afterward),so what,he'd then be cheap for even longer. It's not hard to get lost in Ott's number of big,young fowards,Kastelic's TOI dropped this year,he was scratched a bunch of times and has seen only 33% of his starts in the O-zone,big Nick Paul's utilization by Ott when he was there is eerily similar to Kastilc's so far.......Nick Paul has become a real power forward since getting a bigger opportunity with TB.
The physical fore-checker is at an age where he could still develop a bit,fit-in with younger players,be here a while and who knows how he responds if he feels he's found a home with an extension and a bigger role. Like I said,if this guy's ceiling turns-out to be nothing more than a bottom-six 'heavy'.....so what.
The guy skates pretty well for a big man,scored a LOT in the WHL,he's quick to defend teammates and will 'drop em' with absolutely anyone.....w/o playing the game like a D-bag.
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Post by BigT on May 5, 2024 11:14:46 GMT -6
I still don't think it'd take much at all to get 25yro Mark Kastelic included in any deal with the Sens. The big,rugged 4LC has won over 56% of his draws through 144 games and has 331 hits in those 144 games too,most with emphasis. If the 6'4" 226lb,certified badass only plays to the level of a 4LC for his 835K hit(with RFA rights afterward),so what,he'd then be cheap for even longer. It's not hard to get lost in Ott's number of big,young fowards,Kastelic's TOI dropped this year,he was scratched a bunch of times and has seen only 33% of his starts in the O-zone,big Nick Paul's utilization by Ott when he was there is eerily similar to Kastilc's so far.......Nick Paul has become a real power forward since getting a bigger opportunity with TB. The physical fore-checker is at an age where he could still develop a bit,fit-in with younger players,be here a while and who knows how he responds if he feels he's found a home with an extension and a bigger role. Like I said,if this guy's ceiling turns-out to be nothing more than a bottom-six 'heavy'.....so what. The guy skates pretty well for a big man,scored a LOT in the WHL,he's quick to defend teammates and will 'drop em' with absolutely anyone.....w/o playing the game like a D-bag. Another thing to consider is the Jason Dickinson paradox. At first no one thought he’d be much more than a warm body. But he’s proved very valuable. Maybe this Kastelic fella could have the same paradox? Maybe he needs an environment where it’s ok to make mistakes to learn? He may need a a totally different approach and team to allow him to grow. Just like Dicky!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 6, 2024 8:25:30 GMT -6
I still don't think it'd take much at all to get 25yro Mark Kastelic included in any deal with the Sens. The big,rugged 4LC has won over 56% of his draws through 144 games and has 331 hits in those 144 games too,most with emphasis. If the 6'4" 226lb,certified badass only plays to the level of a 4LC for his 835K hit(with RFA rights afterward),so what,he'd then be cheap for even longer. It's not hard to get lost in Ott's number of big,young fowards,Kastelic's TOI dropped this year,he was scratched a bunch of times and has seen only 33% of his starts in the O-zone,big Nick Paul's utilization by Ott when he was there is eerily similar to Kastilc's so far.......Nick Paul has become a real power forward since getting a bigger opportunity with TB. The physical fore-checker is at an age where he could still develop a bit,fit-in with younger players,be here a while and who knows how he responds if he feels he's found a home with an extension and a bigger role. Like I said,if this guy's ceiling turns-out to be nothing more than a bottom-six 'heavy'.....so what. The guy skates pretty well for a big man,scored a LOT in the WHL,he's quick to defend teammates and will 'drop em' with absolutely anyone.....w/o playing the game like a D-bag. Another thing to consider is the Jason Dickinson paradox. At first no one thought he’d be much more than a warm body. But he’s proved very valuable. Maybe this Kastelic fella could have the same paradox? Maybe he needs an environment where it’s ok to make mistakes to learn? He may need a a totally different approach and team to allow him to grow. Just like Dicky!!! I liked the Dickinson trade and I liked the re-do even more. We have to remember that the Nucks didn't really have a spot for the player,the player was yet to break-through @26 and his 2.65M cap-hit was vital enough to the Nucks to sweeten with a 2nd to move him. The list of large framed forwards finding their 'footing' in the league in their mid 20's grows every year now,I see 'SOME' chance of Kastelic growing into a bigger role but like I said,a big,tough 4LC who can win draws and defend young teammates as effectively as anyone in the league if not. Add cheap UFA and certified 26yro badass Brandon Duhaime to the bottom-six too for around 2M and you immediately give the team a tougher identity. Nick Foligno turns 37 shortly after the season starts and it'd be better if we had a few younger guys who could handle the 'messy' stuff. If one of the two mid 20's forwards flourish in a bigger role,you're way ahead of the game and if not,you got two guys who can knock the snot outta opposing D-bags.....young guys! |
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Post by BigT on May 6, 2024 13:02:27 GMT -6
Let’s say the Hawks give up their 1st rounder. 2/3/4 overall. Hawks receive Pinto, 7th overall and Kastelic. Does that not make the team instantly better? Ottawa has gotta move someone. And I doubt it’s Norris.
These are the moves I hope KD can pull off. They’d be very advantageous to pull this off!!!
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Post by Nikos on May 6, 2024 14:25:32 GMT -6
Let’s say the Hawks give up their 1st rounder. 2/3/4 overall. Hawks receive Pinto, 7th overall and Kastelic. Does that not make the team instantly better? Ottawa has gotta move someone. And I doubt it’s Norris. These are the moves I hope KD can pull off. They’d be very advantageous to pull this off!!! Let's take Kastelic out of equation for now. Is Pinto and whoever they draft at #7 better than any of the 2, 3 or 4th slots? I know after #1 whoever is drafting 2-7 might all have a different #2 right now pre-combine, Memorial Cup and other junior championships. |
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Post by Nikos on May 6, 2024 14:26:35 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on May 6, 2024 15:10:59 GMT -6
Let’s say the Hawks give up their 1st rounder. 2/3/4 overall. Hawks receive Pinto, 7th overall and Kastelic. Does that not make the team instantly better? Ottawa has gotta move someone. And I doubt it’s Norris. These are the moves I hope KD can pull off. They’d be very advantageous to pull this off!!! Let's take Kastelic out of equation for now. Is Pinto and whoever they draft at #7 better than any of the 2, 3 or 4th slots? I know after #1 whoever is drafting 2-7 might all have a different #2 right now pre-combine, Memorial Cup and other junior championships. That’s exactly it. Let’s say the Hawks do get pick #2. Do they keep it and take Demidov? Or trade down to 7 and take Lindstrom or even Parekh? Maybe Yakemchuk is still there? This is one of those drafts that have the feeling of the year Dach got picked. 2019? I forget now. But there’s too many guys in the mix after the proclaimed #1 overall. And looking back, Zegras should have been top 3. But that was a pretty shitty draft in the 1st round. So looking at that draft, does it really matter if you get pick #2/3/4/5/6/7? To me if the Hawks had traded the #3 a few years back. There was a solid chance Dach would still have been there. And guess who else was there? Cozens. Most of us here wanted either Byram or Couzens. And maybe if they picked a kid further back, they wouldn’t have rushed him. So this year has the same feel. Or maybe there’s a team that has a good young player and wants to part with them. Maybe even the Rags can’t afford Lafreniere longer term. So they trade him for the Hawks first rounder, 2/3/4 overall. They get another young cost controlled player for another 3-5 years and get to continue. The Hawks can sign Lafreniere to an 8 year deal worth 7 million per. He and Bedard would look great together!!! |
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Post by BigT on May 6, 2024 15:14:41 GMT -6
A lot of people like Green. But he just never gets results it seems. Another coach about to be available is Keefe. Maybe he becomes an assistant with Green? Hahahaha. Ya never know!!! |
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Post by vadarx on May 6, 2024 17:27:30 GMT -6
Let’s say the Hawks give up their 1st rounder. 2/3/4 overall. Hawks receive Pinto, 7th overall and Kastelic. Does that not make the team instantly better? Ottawa has gotta move someone. And I doubt it’s Norris. These are the moves I hope KD can pull off. They’d be very advantageous to pull this off!!! Let's take Kastelic out of equation for now. Is Pinto and whoever they draft at #7 better than any of the 2, 3 or 4th slots? I know after #1 whoever is drafting 2-7 might all have a different #2 right now pre-combine, Memorial Cup and other junior championships. to get Pinto for moving down possibly only 3 spots would be a gigantic win, imo. let's manifest this into existence. or Celebrini. |
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Post by Nikos on May 7, 2024 6:09:41 GMT -6
It would seem to me if Hawks really like and want Pinto they have other draft assets to get him beyond moving down from their 1st round pick. You just do not see many teams moving down early in the first round.
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