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Post by mvr on Feb 8, 2023 15:13:08 GMT -6
If I am right... For a trade to happen, five separate features need to be in alignment. 1) The player needs to want to play in the market chosen 2) The team acquiring the player needs to want to have him - likely not just this year but beyond. 3) The team acquiring him needs to have the cap space to make the situation work - likely not just this year, but beyond. 4) Davidson and the trading partner need to agree on a fair package in the exchange. 5) A third party likely has to be involved to swallow a portion of the outstanding contract for this year. I believe Davidson is well aware where the players would like to play. Brisson has held preliminary discussions with those teams which have shown interest. Before Davidson gets involved, Brisson will narrow down the list to two or three serious potential buyers. Then the trade discussions will begin in earnest. I also believe that Davidson and Brisson did hold preliminary contract discussions. Why wouldn't they have exchanged numbers? My feeling is that the Hawk general manager's contract offer was likely very low - far below market value. This is why we are where we are.I just have believe if this did happen it would have been leaked by the agent at a minimum. As always, I was not there and could be wrong, but have a hard time believing that any serious offer was made. I agree no "serious" offer was likely exchanged. A rebuilding team really does not need or want to spend big on older superstar players. |
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Post by mvr on Feb 8, 2023 15:15:25 GMT -6
Kane is nowhere near ready to retire. Chris Chelios was in his late thirties when the Hawks traded him to Detroit. The Wings gave him a new contract immediately after the trade announcement. Horvat just finalized his new contract with the NYI this week (though the negotiations were more than likely largely completed before the trade). These kinds of pre-negotiated deals happen every year. I believe Brisson is looking to secure a much shorter term deal now for both Kane and Toews. Each player likely has about five or six preferred destinations in mind. Until next year's contracts have been settled, the players will remain noncommittal about waiving their NMC deals They need to hold their cards close so their agent can use that leverage to best advantage. If a team wants either Kane or Toews, they will need to commit to at least one more year after this one. I believe several teams will be more than willing on Kane. Toews might be in a different situation (depending on salary expectations). I understand some look to the Giroux situation of last year as the example for Kane. The difference here is that Giroux intended to return closer to home, and his favoured destination (Ottawa) was not a playoff bound team. Giroux used his NMC leverage to control where he wanted to play as a rental. He picked Florida because he thought they had the best chance of winning. Kane likely is thinking more long term for his next move. My guess is that Toews is as well. We will see in three weeks what happens. And if Kane goes under the knife and it highly impacts his game? Like I said, if there's a report of the need of a possible medical procedure that Kane needs I'm sure it would give some GMs pause, especially if Kane is looking long term. It might not put a kybosh on the deal but the amount offered to the 'hawks would be less than if Kane was 100% healthy. Dickinson is now suddenly a scoring machine. I believe these rumours of Kane's supposed "decline" or "injury is likely overblown. All teams can use him. |
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Post by Nikos on Feb 8, 2023 16:24:25 GMT -6
And if Kane goes under the knife and it highly impacts his game? Like I said, if there's a report of the need of a possible medical procedure that Kane needs I'm sure it would give some GMs pause, especially if Kane is looking long term. It might not put a kybosh on the deal but the amount offered to the 'hawks would be less than if Kane was 100% healthy. Dickinson is now suddenly a scoring machine. I believe these rumours of Kane's supposed "decline" or "injury is likely overblown. All teams can use him. He was "flying" out there versus the Ducks, particularly last two periods. If he had any type of NHL finishers playing with him consistently his stats would be much better, obviously not withstanding our new scoring machine Mr. Dickinson. Kane even at 75% will help any contender in the playoffs. Just the threat alone teams will have to focus and game plan for him, and he certainly will help improve any power play. Even if teams neutralize him to some degree, surely other players will be freed up against less effective defensemen and checkers. He would look good on the Carolina Hurricanes, who always play well (well coached too) and just seem to come up a little short in a 7-game series, particularly scoring goals at critical times, enter showtime. Can you image him with Jack Hughes? The Devils have the assets and prospects to make it work. New Jersey certainly closer to his hometown of Buffalo. |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 8, 2023 20:24:40 GMT -6
Dickinson is now suddenly a scoring machine. I believe these rumours of Kane's supposed "decline" or "injury is likely overblown. All teams can use him. He was "flying" out there versus the Ducks, particularly last two periods. If he had any type of NHL finishers playing with him consistently his stats would be much better, obviously not withstanding our new scoring machine Mr. Dickinson. Kane even at 75% will help any contender in the playoffs. Just the threat alone teams will have to focus and game plan for him, and he certainly will help improve any power play. Even if teams neutralize him to some degree, surely other players will be freed up against less effective defensemen and checkers. He would look good on the Carolina Hurricanes, who always play well (well coached too) and just seem to come up a little short in a 7-game series, particularly scoring goals at critical times, enter showtime. Can you image him with Jack Hughes? The Devils have the assets and prospects to make it work. New Jersey certainly closer to his hometown of Buffalo. Not sure if this was mentioned before, but another thing that Kane will bring to the new team is fans going to the games to see him play. He will certainly boost attendance and revenue for the new team. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 8, 2023 20:32:34 GMT -6
jonny still not practicing.
it's been a couple weeks since he first was scratched due to illness....and they still think it's the flu?
i honestly hope it is (obviously) but this is taking way too long.
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Post by 2old4this on Feb 8, 2023 21:28:47 GMT -6
He was "flying" out there versus the Ducks, particularly last two periods. If he had any type of NHL finishers playing with him consistently his stats would be much better, obviously not withstanding our new scoring machine Mr. Dickinson. Kane even at 75% will help any contender in the playoffs. Just the threat alone teams will have to focus and game plan for him, and he certainly will help improve any power play. Even if teams neutralize him to some degree, surely other players will be freed up against less effective defensemen and checkers. He would look good on the Carolina Hurricanes, who always play well (well coached too) and just seem to come up a little short in a 7-game series, particularly scoring goals at critical times, enter showtime. Can you image him with Jack Hughes? The Devils have the assets and prospects to make it work. New Jersey certainly closer to his hometown of Buffalo. Not sure if this was mentioned before, but another thing that Kane will bring to the new team is fans going to the games to see him play. He will certainly boost attendance and revenue for the new team. New Jersey is a good choice. They say their top pick is still available, and they have one of the best groups of prospects out there. |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 9, 2023 11:58:51 GMT -6
Not sure if this was mentioned before, but another thing that Kane will bring to the new team is fans going to the games to see him play. He will certainly boost attendance and revenue for the new team. New Jersey is a good choice. They say their top pick is still available, and they have one of the best groups of prospects out there. LR said JT could return tomorrow,yesterday,which had to sound encouraging...... But didn't,so I don't know what to make of it.... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 9, 2023 16:28:48 GMT -6
i suppose the fact that he's in the gym is a good sign.
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Post by hsbob on Feb 10, 2023 9:26:00 GMT -6
i suppose the fact that he's in the gym is a good sign. I admit I never cared for all the speculation when the guy was out for the year a while back but 'Flu-like' symptoms for a player who hasn't player or practiced in 16 days and will be "unavailable" this weekend? I'm no JT but hittin' the gym was the last thing on my mind with 'Flu-like' symptoms,being able to workout but not practice sounds more like an injury issue...........but I could be talkin' out my ass too!LOL! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 10, 2023 13:01:07 GMT -6
i suppose the fact that he's in the gym is a good sign. I admit I never cared for all the speculation when the guy was out for the year a while back but 'Flu-like' symptoms for a player who hasn't player or practiced in 16 days and will be "unavailable" this weekend? I'm no JT but hittin' the gym was the last thing on my mind with 'Flu-like' symptoms,being able to workout but not practice sounds more like an injury issue...........but I could be talkin' out my ass too!LOL! Those 16oz curls are killer at times. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 10, 2023 17:49:28 GMT -6
i suppose the fact that he's in the gym is a good sign. I admit I never cared for all the speculation when the guy was out for the year a while back but 'Flu-like' symptoms for a player who hasn't player or practiced in 16 days and will be "unavailable" this weekend? I'm no JT but hittin' the gym was the last thing on my mind with 'Flu-like' symptoms,being able to workout but not practice sounds more like an injury issue...........but I could be talkin' out my ass too!LOL! i was thinking maybe he's "hitting the gym" and not practicing because the team is worried that he's contagious? i read a tweet today that he was "skating on his own" today. again...perhaps they're trying to keep him isolated. will admit i'm also quite possibly talking out of my ass. |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 10, 2023 17:50:54 GMT -6
I admit I never cared for all the speculation when the guy was out for the year a while back but 'Flu-like' symptoms for a player who hasn't player or practiced in 16 days and will be "unavailable" this weekend? I'm no JT but hittin' the gym was the last thing on my mind with 'Flu-like' symptoms,being able to workout but not practice sounds more like an injury issue...........but I could be talkin' out my ass too!LOL! i was thinking maybe he's "hitting the gym" and not practicing because the team is worried that he's contagious? i read a tweet today that he was "skating on his own" today. again...perhaps they're trying to keep him isolated. will admit i'm also quite possibly talking out of my ass. if he had the flu, that would make sense. not for 2 weeks, though. seems like either a flare up or an injury to me. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 10, 2023 17:57:15 GMT -6
i was thinking maybe he's "hitting the gym" and not practicing because the team is worried that he's contagious? i read a tweet today that he was "skating on his own" today. again...perhaps they're trying to keep him isolated. will admit i'm also quite possibly talking out of my ass. if he had the flu, that would make sense. not for 2 weeks, though. seems like either a flare up or an injury to me. oh, no doubt it seems strange. i was just clutching at a few straws there. either way, it's not helping jonny's trade value any, not that i thought he was going anywhere anyways. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 10, 2023 23:45:24 GMT -6
ok...zawaski's post game podcast, they said they saw toews and khaira together in the tunnel so it doesn't seem like he's being isolated for contagious reasons.
they did say he looked good FWIW.
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Post by BigT on Feb 11, 2023 11:15:31 GMT -6
ok...zawaski's post game podcast, they said they saw toews and khaira together in the tunnel so it doesn't seem like he's being isolated for contagious reasons. they did say he looked good FWIW. Take it for what it’s worth. Toews and Kane will be held out of the lineup as much as possible to try and facilitate a trade. Teams dont need to “scout” them. They’re who they are. They basically sitting out to find suitors of the players choice. There is no reason to worry about when or why they’re playing. Meetings have taken place with KD and are on going. That is what I heard. And from very reliable source. Not a scout. But someone who works in the NHL. There’s supposed to be 4-5 teams in on Kane and 5-6 on Toews. However it is thought that many of the same teams are in on both!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Feb 11, 2023 11:29:24 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 11, 2023 17:22:22 GMT -6
ok...zawaski's post game podcast, they said they saw toews and khaira together in the tunnel so it doesn't seem like he's being isolated for contagious reasons. they did say he looked good FWIW. Take it for what it’s worth. Toews and Kane will be held out of the lineup as much as possible to try and facilitate a trade. Teams dont need to “scout” them. They’re who they are. They basically sitting out to find suitors of the players choice. There is no reason to worry about when or why they’re playing. Meetings have taken place with KD and are on going. That is what I heard. And from very reliable source. Not a scout. But someone who works in the NHL. There’s supposed to be 4-5 teams in on Kane and 5-6 on Toews. However it is thought that many of the same teams are in on both!!! so toews hasn't played or practiced with the team the last couple of weeks to try and facilitate a trade? why isn't kane sitting out? |
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Post by nighbor on Feb 11, 2023 18:13:11 GMT -6
Take it for what it’s worth. Toews and Kane will be held out of the lineup as much as possible to try and facilitate a trade. Teams dont need to “scout” them. They’re who they are. They basically sitting out to find suitors of the players choice. There is no reason to worry about when or why they’re playing. Meetings have taken place with KD and are on going. That is what I heard. And from very reliable source. Not a scout. But someone who works in the NHL. There’s supposed to be 4-5 teams in on Kane and 5-6 on Toews. However it is thought that many of the same teams are in on both!!! so toews hasn't played or practiced with the team the last couple of weeks to try and facilitate a trade? why isn't kane sitting out? Last time Kane was out we went on a three game winning streak. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 11, 2023 20:31:02 GMT -6
Take it for what it’s worth. Toews and Kane will be held out of the lineup as much as possible to try and facilitate a trade. Teams dont need to “scout” them. They’re who they are. They basically sitting out to find suitors of the players choice. There is no reason to worry about when or why they’re playing. Meetings have taken place with KD and are on going. That is what I heard. And from very reliable source. Not a scout. But someone who works in the NHL. There’s supposed to be 4-5 teams in on Kane and 5-6 on Toews. However it is thought that many of the same teams are in on both!!! so toews hasn't played or practiced with the team the last couple of weeks to try and facilitate a trade? why isn't kane sitting out? They been sitting out practice so they can film their tribute videos. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 11, 2023 22:09:46 GMT -6
Take it for what it’s worth. Toews and Kane will be held out of the lineup as much as possible to try and facilitate a trade. Teams dont need to “scout” them. They’re who they are. They basically sitting out to find suitors of the players choice. There is no reason to worry about when or why they’re playing. Meetings have taken place with KD and are on going. That is what I heard. And from very reliable source. Not a scout. But someone who works in the NHL. There’s supposed to be 4-5 teams in on Kane and 5-6 on Toews. However it is thought that many of the same teams are in on both!!! so toews hasn't played or practiced with the team the last couple of weeks to try and facilitate a trade? why isn't kane sitting out? Kane hasn’t played that much either. I doubt he’s injured. Also, my best guess is Kane has way more to play for at this point than Toews. Kane is way less physical than Toews. Toews plays a physical 2 way game. He’s not playing due to possible scenarios. We can all figure this out. It’s not hard. I know you can see this. A team may have requested that Toews does not play till a certain point. Due to injury and salary restrictions. But he still may decide not to go!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 11, 2023 22:09:57 GMT -6
i couldn't find anything in that article where the islanders themselves have expressed interest in kane. plenty of speculation that the islanders could have an interest in kane, though. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 11, 2023 22:17:01 GMT -6
so toews hasn't played or practiced with the team the last couple of weeks to try and facilitate a trade? why isn't kane sitting out? Kane hasn’t played that much either. I doubt he’s injured. Also, my best guess is Kane has way more to play for at this point than Toews. Kane is way less physical than Toews. Toews plays a physical 2 way game. He’s not playing due to possible scenarios. We can all figure this out. It’s not hard. I know you can see this. A team may have requested that Toews does not play till a certain point. Due to injury and salary restrictions. But he still may decide not to go!!! and not practice for 2 weeks either? with all due respect i highly doubt that. and about kane's ice time. he's 19:54 this season which is on the low side, but he's had 6 seasons with less ice time than that. |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 12, 2023 2:11:40 GMT -6
bits n bobs...
per the Athletic, Kane has 4 teams interested currently: Dallas, Minnesota, Carolina, and Vegas. if I am him and I want to win, I think I'd either go with Dallas or Carolina. that being said...
the front office feels like Kane is about 50/50 to ask out. they believe Toews is even lower odds... (I hope they are right about 19 and they announce an extension for him about five minutes after the trade deadline passes).
AA picked a good game to play well on Friday with all the scouts in attendance and could draw interest at the deadline.
McCabe and Lafferty are two guys that aren't ufa's after the season that are drawing interest. the 'hawks are willing to eat half of McCabe's final two years if it means a good return.
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Post by BigT on Feb 12, 2023 3:58:29 GMT -6
Kane hasn’t played that much either. I doubt he’s injured. Also, my best guess is Kane has way more to play for at this point than Toews. Kane is way less physical than Toews. Toews plays a physical 2 way game. He’s not playing due to possible scenarios. We can all figure this out. It’s not hard. I know you can see this. A team may have requested that Toews does not play till a certain point. Due to injury and salary restrictions. But he still may decide not to go!!! and not practice for 2 weeks either? with all due respect i highly doubt that. and about kane's ice time. he's 19:54 this season which is on the low side, but he's had 6 seasons with less ice time than that. I’m sure he was under the weather. We had the stomach flu rip through our house. Wasn’t fun at all. Good news is lost about 9 lbs. or it could be a minor injury that he’d normally play through but the team said no due to the TDL looming. We’ll see soon enough. He seems fine!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 12, 2023 4:08:22 GMT -6
and not practice for 2 weeks either? with all due respect i highly doubt that. and about kane's ice time. he's 19:54 this season which is on the low side, but he's had 6 seasons with less ice time than that. I’m sure he was under the weather. We had the stomach flu rip through our house. Wasn’t fun at all. Good news is lost about 9 lbs. or it could be a minor injury that he’d normally play through but the team said no due to the TDL looming. We’ll see soon enough. He seems fine!!! i've seen "non-covid illness" about a dozen times across the last couple of weeks when referring to the captain's absence but who knows. |
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Post by 2old4this on Feb 12, 2023 13:08:50 GMT -6
ok...zawaski's post game podcast, they said they saw toews and khaira together in the tunnel so it doesn't seem like he's being isolated for contagious reasons. they did say he looked good FWIW. Take it for what it’s worth. Toews and Kane will be held out of the lineup as much as possible to try and facilitate a trade. Teams dont need to “scout” them. They’re who they are. They basically sitting out to find suitors of the players choice. There is no reason to worry about when or why they’re playing. Meetings have taken place with KD and are on going. That is what I heard. And from very reliable source. Not a scout. But someone who works in the NHL. There’s supposed to be 4-5 teams in on Kane and 5-6 on Toews. However it is thought that many of the same teams are in on both!!! That makes sense. If Kane'r signs with another team, then they might want to sign Toews instead. |
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Post by tincup on Feb 16, 2023 10:38:03 GMT -6
The next couple of years should tell the tale…
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 16, 2023 21:43:25 GMT -6
funny numbers with jonny this year compared to kane's.
kane's .70 points/game currently the worst of his career while jonny's .61 pts/game is his second worst, only his .52 last year was worse.
kane's shooting % is 5.5%, the worst of his career while jonny's 17.7% is a career best this year.
weird, wild stuff.
if you skate again in a hawks uni, jonny....shoot the puck more please.
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Post by steamer on Feb 17, 2023 8:59:10 GMT -6
PK’s shooting % has to reflect some sort of nagging injury. He’s definitely not as agile and deceptive in the O-zone as he typically has been. The high minutes and lack of scoring talent around him doesn’t help but it appears there is more going on than that.
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Post by BigT on Feb 17, 2023 9:34:25 GMT -6
PK’s shooting % has to reflect some sort of nagging injury. He’s definitely not as agile and deceptive in the O-zone as he typically has been. The high minutes and lack of scoring talent around him doesn’t help but it appears there is more going on than that. Couple other points of view here. Look how fast Seabs went the other way. It happens. Let an injury go unchecked and try to play through it and it ends a career. Now Seabs is an extreme case no doubt. But when in your 30s. It’s hard to keep up with all the 25 year olds. Another point is simply that it looks like Kane just doesn’t care out there. I seen a montage of Kane hi lights this year. You could see the frustration with him in many of the clips. So. I think he’s literally just going through the motions. Is he hurt? Maybe a little. But it’s still something he’s gotta take care of and should a did it last year. However, I have to take his word for it. He said it’s better than last year. So it’s gotta be him not enjoying playing on this team. Regardless of any of that stuff said. I think he and Toews just need a fresh start. And I hope they get to enjoy the game again, like they used to!!! |
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