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Post by galaxytrash on May 23, 2023 21:56:50 GMT -6
Many here may have heard, in a recent zawaski podcast hawks' chief scout mike doneghey says if the guy can't skate he's off of their draft list. Didn't seem like any exceptions were going to be made.
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Post by vadarx on May 23, 2023 23:25:25 GMT -6
Many here may have heard. In a recent zawaski podcast hawks' chief scout mike doneghey says if the guy can't skate he's off of their draft list. Didn't seem like any exceptions were going to be made. yeah, I was going to mention that in regards to Dragicevic. I feel like he will he a pass due to his skating. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 24, 2023 0:20:53 GMT -6
One guy the Hawks should target in the later rounds is 6'4" 244lb winger, Marcel Marcel. He definitely has size.
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Post by jaty84 on May 24, 2023 0:49:21 GMT -6
One guy the Hawks should target in the later rounds is 6'4" 244lb winger, Marcel Marcel. He definitely has size. His parents must be funny people  |
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Post by Tater on May 24, 2023 2:08:00 GMT -6
One guy the Hawks should target in the later rounds is 6'4" 244lb winger, Marcel Marcel. He definitely has size. His parents must be funny people Ya beat me to that one sir! |
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Post by irmaks on May 24, 2023 5:26:54 GMT -6
One guy the Hawks should target in the later rounds is 6'4" 244lb winger, Marcel Marcel. He definitely has size. His parents must be funny people Does he have middle name:)? |
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2023 5:32:04 GMT -6
If But is there at 19. I’m taking the 6’5” 205 kid. I don’t believe he’s tied to Russia. Maybe for another year. Hawks will need size. And he seems to have that and skill. He seems to be closer to the NHL than most!!! Haven't seen him play other than a few clips which show him in a favorable light. I've read a couple things that raise a red flag for someone that would be taken at #19. The first is the catch phrase "for his size" - as in he skates well "for his size". That qualifier makes me think he isn't a great skater - only a great skater compared to most other big guys. The second thing I read was that he has a high center of gravity (long legs?) and is easily knocked off stride or knocked down, even by smaller guys. Are these concerns accurate? I don't know but I'd have to be convinced they're not true before I take him in the 1st round at #19. Later rounds? Yeah maybe. At this point his skating is not his strongest point. That part is true. But he moves well for someone who’s 6’5”. The point here is to develop him. They said the same things about Tage Thompson. However the Hawks have said “If you can’t skate, you can’t be a Blackhawk”. Direct quote from Mike Doneghey, Blackhawks head scout. So I doubt they take him. My concern is that there’s really no size in the system. Maybe on D. But the Hawks have a size issue on forward. If the Hawks do move up, it sounds like Van is one of the only choices. I do believe the Hawks will add another first by trading 2nd rounders. But we’ll see. Teams get desperate to move contracts, and Hawks could be the beneficiaries here. I wouldn’t doubt if the Hawks trade all the 2nd round picks to move up and in to the first round. I could see KD end up having 4 first rounders!!! |
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2023 5:38:17 GMT -6
One guy the Hawks should target in the later rounds is 6'4" 244lb winger, Marcel Marcel. He definitely has size. His parents must be funny people My buddy played over in Europe. He was on a team with Marek Ivan. And I guess he was a pretty funny dude. He’d always say “everyone calls me Ivan, I’ll just name my son that”. So he named him Ivan Ivan Ivan. All because people called him by his last name. And now we have Marcel Marcel. I’ll have to ask if Marcel and Ivan were buddies. Possibly the same night out drinking to make that decision!!! |
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Post by jaty84 on May 24, 2023 5:42:36 GMT -6
His parents must be funny people My buddy played over in Europe. He was on a team with Marek Ivan. And I guess he was a pretty funny dude. He’d always say “everyone calls me Ivan, I’ll just name my son that”. So he named him Ivan Ivan Ivan. All because people called him by his last name. And now we have Marcel Marcel. I’ll have to ask if Marcel and Ivan were buddies. Possibly the same night out drinking to make that decision!!! Some of the first names are usually used as surnames over here in Czechia and Slovakia. Is nothing extraordinary. Like Stefan (e.g. Patrik Stefan), Ivan, Laco, etc. But I've never met anyone like Marcel Marcel or Ivan Ivan. For sure won't have troubles with people confusing their first and second names... |
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2023 5:43:49 GMT -6
I’ve seen 3 mock drafts that have the Hawks taking Riley Heidt from Prince George Cougars. Very good skater. He had 97 points this year and was 5th in the WHL. Not bad for a draft eligible player!!!
Edit: hopefully this skating thing isn’t another version of Scambo’s smaller and faster outlook. Every kid that I’ve seen in mock drafts or linked to the Hawks is tiny. Even Heidt is 5’10” 178. Not sure that’s gonna cut it across the board!!!
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Post by mvr on May 24, 2023 5:58:37 GMT -6
The issue with focussing exclusively on good skaters --- the puck moves faster than any human.
A good player reacts quickly and moves the puck effectively to his teammates. He avoids skating with the puck when he can because he recognizes that passing it moves it faster up the ice.
Great skaters who lack vision are not that useful. Average skaters with good hands who see the ice well and understand the game can be very effective.
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Post by mvr on May 24, 2023 6:22:13 GMT -6
Ideally, you want a guy who can skate but also can think the game fast.
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2023 6:46:04 GMT -6
Ideally, you want a guy who can skate but also can think the game fast. We also need guys that can play between the dots, but can also thrive there. I doubt you’ll get a team of 5’10” or 5’11” guys or smaller survive 4 rounds of playoff hockey? Gonna need some size at some point. Hopefully there’s other plans for size. I’m sure they’re looking for the Points, Gourdes, T Johnson’s etc. trying to get those guys now and add in the size in later rounds. Also we all know bigger guys usually take a wee bit longer. So if they’re in the farm system for a bit, that’ll be ok!!! |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 24, 2023 8:12:01 GMT -6
My concern is that there’s really no size in the system. Maybe on D. But the Hawks have a size issue on forward. If the Hawks do move up, it sounds like Van is one of the only choices. I do believe the Hawks will add another first by trading 2nd rounders. But we’ll see. Teams get desperate to move contracts, and Hawks could be the beneficiaries here. I wouldn’t doubt if the Hawks trade all the 2nd round picks to move up and in to the first round. I could see KD end up having 4 first rounders!!!From your keyboard to KD's to-do list. I'd rather have (4) 1st rounders than (6) 1st/2nd rounders - even if it means taking on some cap dumps. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 24, 2023 10:13:42 GMT -6
My concern is that there’s really no size in the system. Maybe on D. But the Hawks have a size issue on forward. If the Hawks do move up, it sounds like Van is one of the only choices. I do believe the Hawks will add another first by trading 2nd rounders. But we’ll see. Teams get desperate to move contracts, and Hawks could be the beneficiaries here. I wouldn’t doubt if the Hawks trade all the 2nd round picks to move up and in to the first round. I could see KD end up having 4 first rounders!!!From your keyboard to KD's to-do list. I'd rather have (4) 1st rounders than (6) 1st/2nd rounders - even if it means taking on some cap dumps. He got a late 1st for taking on Mrazek, I can see him doing the same to take on a couple bad contracts and using a couple 2nd round picks. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 24, 2023 13:26:44 GMT -6
In a recent interview with Scott Powers he said the Blackhawks would like to move up and get Leonard, they'd have to get in the top10 to get him though cause I doubt he'd be there at 11 if they get Vancouvers pick. If they do get that pick and Leonard is gone, hopefully Barlow is still there.
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2023 14:23:57 GMT -6
In a recent interview with Scott Powers he said the Blackhawks would like to move up and get Leonard, they'd have to get in the top10 to get him though cause I doubt he'd be there at 11 if they get Vancouvers pick. If they do get that pick and Leonard is gone, hopefully Barlow is still there. To get in the top 10, I fear it’ll take #19, 35, 44, 51. I think for a team to move out, they’d need some serious assets. I still feel it’s possible. Does KD wanna move 4 assets for 1? To get a kid like Leonard I’d probably do it. They’d still have a 2nd and two 3rd rounders!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 24, 2023 14:47:02 GMT -6
In a recent interview with Scott Powers he said the Blackhawks would like to move up and get Leonard, they'd have to get in the top10 to get him though cause I doubt he'd be there at 11 if they get Vancouvers pick. If they do get that pick and Leonard is gone, hopefully Barlow is still there. To get in the top 10, I fear it’ll take #19, 35, 44, 51. I think for a team to move out, they’d need some serious assets. I still feel it’s possible. Does KD wanna move 4 assets for 1? To get a kid like Leonard I’d probably do it. They’d still have a 2nd and two 3rd rounders!!! It also depends on the contract KD takes back, maybe he takes on two and frees up 10+ million for a team. If he does he shouldn't have to give up #19 and 3 second round picks. There's lots of options, the draft will be fun to watch. |
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2023 16:01:31 GMT -6
To get in the top 10, I fear it’ll take #19, 35, 44, 51. I think for a team to move out, they’d need some serious assets. I still feel it’s possible. Does KD wanna move 4 assets for 1? To get a kid like Leonard I’d probably do it. They’d still have a 2nd and two 3rd rounders!!! It also depends on the contract KD takes back, maybe he takes on two and frees up 10+ million for a team. If he does he shouldn't have to give up #19 and 3 second round picks. There's lots of options, the draft will be fun to watch. I don’t think there’s any team in the top 10 that is trying to shed salary that bad. I think that’s 100% out of the question. If they’re trading up into the top 10, especially this year. Vancouver is the only team that I can see wanting to move salary. And I don’t believe that 11th overall is gonna be easy to get. I still believe the Hawks would have to give up some picks to go back. For example. Myers/Garland 11th overall for pick #35, 41. Then I could see St Louis trading their later 1st rounder for a couple 2nds. That’s how the Hawks get to 4 first rounders!!! |
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Post by vadarx on May 24, 2023 16:07:50 GMT -6
It also depends on the contract KD takes back, maybe he takes on two and frees up 10+ million for a team. If he does he shouldn't have to give up #19 and 3 second round picks. There's lots of options, the draft will be fun to watch. I don’t think there’s any team in the top 10 that is trying to shed salary that bad. I think that’s 100% out of the question. If they’re trading up into the top 10, especially this year. Vancouver is the only team that I can see wanting to move salary. And I don’t believe that 11th overall is gonna be easy to get. I still believe the Hawks would have to give up some picks to go back. For example. Myers/Garland 11th overall for pick #35, 41. Then I could see St Louis trading their later 1st rounder for a couple 2nds. That’s how the Hawks get to 4 first rounders!!! I'd take on a couple salaries from Van if it meant not having to give up 19. I hope that KD is already working them right now, cuz they need cap help in a big way... |
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2023 16:23:19 GMT -6
I don’t think there’s any team in the top 10 that is trying to shed salary that bad. I think that’s 100% out of the question. If they’re trading up into the top 10, especially this year. Vancouver is the only team that I can see wanting to move salary. And I don’t believe that 11th overall is gonna be easy to get. I still believe the Hawks would have to give up some picks to go back. For example. Myers/Garland 11th overall for pick #35, 41. Then I could see St Louis trading their later 1st rounder for a couple 2nds. That’s how the Hawks get to 4 first rounders!!! I'd take on a couple salaries from Van if it meant not having to give up 19. I hope that KD is already working them right now, cuz they need cap help in a big way... Hahaha. I fully realize that I said top 10, then talked about pick 11. Anyways. I’m thinking that’s what will happen. I think he’s gonna try and get rid of all of them 2nd rounders and move up as much as possible. I could also see Pitt moving their first rounder for some help. Maybe even Toronta has pick 27 or 28 from Boston/Washington. So I could see them willing to kk e that pick for some help. They need help now. And the Hawks could also move out someone like Regula, as he’s aging out here. There’s a shit ton of new dmen coming, so a few could be added into trades!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 24, 2023 18:44:12 GMT -6
I'd take on a couple salaries from Van if it meant not having to give up 19. I hope that KD is already working them right now, cuz they need cap help in a big way... Hahaha. I fully realize that I said top 10, then talked about pick 11. Anyways. I’m thinking that’s what will happen. I think he’s gonna try and get rid of all of them 2nd rounders and move up as much as possible. I could also see Pitt moving their first rounder for some help. Maybe even Toronta has pick 27 or 28 from Boston/Washington. So I could see them willing to kk e that pick for some help. They need help now. And the Hawks could also move out someone like Regula, as he’s aging out here. There’s a shit ton of new dmen coming, so a few could be added into trades!!! Regula and Mitchell are RFAs and with EDM, Allan, and possibly Korchinski turning pro, KD should add those 2 as a sweetener. It's nice to have leverage and lots of cap space, back to back years with 3 first round picks will really help the rebuild, 4 would be a nice bonus. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 24, 2023 18:47:08 GMT -6
Hahaha. I fully realize that I said top 10, then talked about pick 11. Anyways. I’m thinking that’s what will happen. I think he’s gonna try and get rid of all of them 2nd rounders and move up as much as possible. I could also see Pitt moving their first rounder for some help. Maybe even Toronta has pick 27 or 28 from Boston/Washington. So I could see them willing to kk e that pick for some help. They need help now. And the Hawks could also move out someone like Regula, as he’s aging out here. There’s a shit ton of new dmen coming, so a few could be added into trades!!! Regula and Mitchell are RFAs and with EDM, Allan, and possibly Korchinski turning pro, KD should add those 2 as a sweetener. a bit off topic here but this is why i wasn't crazy about drafting so many defensemen lately. i guess you can never have too many good defensemen, but some of these sweeteners might turn out to be pretty good nhlers. |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 24, 2023 18:49:09 GMT -6
Regula and Mitchell are RFAs and with EDM, Allan, and possibly Korchinski turning pro, KD should add those 2 as a sweetener. a bit off topic here but this is why i wasn't crazy about drafting so many defensemen lately. i guess you can never have too many good defensemen, but some of these sweeteners might turn out to be pretty good nhlers. That's when you hope you kept the better of the "pretty good NHL's". |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 24, 2023 18:49:58 GMT -6
Or at least just as good.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 24, 2023 19:00:12 GMT -6
Or at least just as good. my thinking is when the other team sees you're knee deep in defenseman prospects, you set yourself up for being lowballed because they know you can't keep them all forever. jmo. |
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Post by 2old4this on May 24, 2023 19:19:17 GMT -6
In a recent interview with Scott Powers he said the Blackhawks would like to move up and get Leonard, they'd have to get in the top10 to get him though cause I doubt he'd be there at 11 if they get Vancouvers pick. If they do get that pick and Leonard is gone, hopefully Barlow is still there. Getting Leonard would be a real coup. Gonna be tough to do. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 24, 2023 19:51:08 GMT -6
In a recent interview with Scott Powers he said the Blackhawks would like to move up and get Leonard, they'd have to get in the top10 to get him though cause I doubt he'd be there at 11 if they get Vancouvers pick. If they do get that pick and Leonard is gone, hopefully Barlow is still there. Getting Leonard would be a real coup. Gonna be tough to do. I've gone back and forth on who I prefer the Hawks to target and right now it is Leonard - even though he is probably going to be gone before the Hawks can swing a deal to move up and get him. He's pretty much the profile the Hawks would want with skating and compete and high paced IQ. He has decent size too at 6'0" / 190lbs which is something the Hawks need with smallish top-6 players. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 24, 2023 22:04:10 GMT -6
Getting Leonard would be a real coup. Gonna be tough to do. I've gone back and forth on who I prefer the Hawks to target and right now it is Leonard - even though he is probably going to be gone before the Hawks can swing a deal to move up and get him. He's pretty much the profile the Hawks would want with skating and compete and high paced IQ. He has decent size too at 6'0" / 190lbs which is something the Hawks need with smallish top-6 players. If Leonard is there at 7 I'm sure the Flyers will take him, I doubt the Hawks will get a pick that high so they should try a move up and get 6'1" 194lb Barlow, another CB, Bedard and Barlow would be a great 1-2. In one mock draft they had Barlow at #18, so even if KD can move up between 11-15 he might be there, if not, there's 2 other big skilled forwards, Wood and Honzek. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 24, 2023 22:07:38 GMT -6
Regula and Mitchell are RFAs and with EDM, Allan, and possibly Korchinski turning pro, KD should add those 2 as a sweetener. a bit off topic here but this is why i wasn't crazy about drafting so many defensemen lately. i guess you can never have too many good defensemen, but some of these sweeteners might turn out to be pretty good nhlers. Too many D prospects is a good problem to have, and if Regula or Mitchell turn out to be good NHLers, I'm sure the player they draft might be better. I'm just glad there's a good mix of skill and size on D, not just small one dimensional players. |
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