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Post by steamer on Dec 22, 2022 11:53:06 GMT -6
Watching -- or suffering through -- Hawks' games, the lack of high end hockey skill is just overwhelming (or underwhelming, I guess). Hopefully, with three first-rounders in 22, and two in 23, that skill is going to show up. It almost doesn't matter whether the Hawks the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. They can only improve. They do have a plethora of 4th liners on their roster now. Did you mean 5th or 6th liners? Yes this group’s days are numbered for playing in the NHL. Each has flashed an occasional spark and they all work hard IMO but the months and years tick by and they don’t really provide much. I think they all have had a chance at decent minutes but they really don’t have the talent to produce much other than a 4th line body out there and those guys are pretty much available every year for the minimum salary. |
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Post by 2old4this on Dec 22, 2022 12:58:53 GMT -6
Did you mean 5th or 6th liners? Yes this group’s days are numbered for playing in the NHL. Each has flashed an occasional spark and they all work hard IMO but the months and years tick by and they don’t really provide much. I think they all have had a chance at decent minutes but they really don’t have the talent to produce much other than a 4th line body out there and those guys are pretty much available every year for the minimum salary. I am wondering, if they trade 19, 88, and Seth JOnes, HTF are they going to reach the cap floor? |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Dec 22, 2022 13:46:47 GMT -6
Watching -- or suffering through -- Hawks' games, the lack of high end hockey skill is just overwhelming (or underwhelming, I guess). Hopefully, with three first-rounders in 22, and two in 23, that skill is going to show up. It almost doesn't matter whether the Hawks the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. They can only improve. They do have a plethora of 4th liners on their roster now. Did you mean 5th or 6th liners? To be fair, there's hope for some of them. |
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Post by steamer on Jan 31, 2023 13:02:59 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jan 31, 2023 15:43:36 GMT -6
I'll go on record again here to say that I am just fine with them taking Michkov if that is how it works out. keep building things up and then get a bonus building block in about 3 years. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jan 31, 2023 21:03:43 GMT -6
I'll go on record again here to say that I am just fine with them taking Michkov if that is how it works out. keep building things up and then get a bonus building block in about 3 years. If at alll. Russian politics may keep him from coming to America at all. One never knows when dealing with Putin. |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 31, 2023 23:05:09 GMT -6
I'll go on record again here to say that I am just fine with them taking Michkov if that is how it works out. keep building things up and then get a bonus building block in about 3 years. If at alll. Russian politics may keep him from coming to America at all. One never knows when dealing with Putin. players got out of that country to come play over here during worse political times. I feel like he will be ok. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 2, 2023 12:39:11 GMT -6
That Lucas Dragecevic kid looks very very intriguing. He’s ranked 27. That’s roughly where the the Hawks pick from Tampa will be. Can’t have enough 6’2” right shot scoring dmen. He has 56 points in 45 games for Tri Cities.
I think with the top pick, you take the most talented kid you can with the most upside. Doesn’t matter what position. But the next picks should be used to get dmen and centres. Centres can always be converted to wingers.
The Hawks could have in 2 drafts Korchinski, Dragecevic, Rinzel. Plus have Allan, EDM. That’s very impressive to have those kids to start a rebuild. Plus if you get Bedard and have Nascar, Savoie, Ludwinski etc. the rebuild is almost have over. Then you still got Reichel and maybe a couple others. That’s looking good!!!
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Post by vadarx on Feb 2, 2023 14:29:36 GMT -6
That Lucas Dragecevic kid looks very very intriguing. He’s ranked 27. That’s roughly where the the Hawks pick from Tampa will be. Can’t have enough 6’2” right shot scoring dmen. He has 56 points in 45 games for Tri Cities. I think with the top pick, you take the most talented kid you can with the most upside. Doesn’t matter what position. But the next picks should be used to get dmen and centres. Centres can always be converted to wingers. The Hawks could have in 2 drafts Korchinski, Dragecevic, Rinzel. Plus have Allan, EDM. That’s very impressive to have those kids to start a rebuild. Plus if you get Bedard and have Nascar, Savoie, Ludwinski etc. the rebuild is almost have over. Then you still got Reichel and maybe a couple others. That’s looking good!!! skating seems to be the main concern as far as Dragecevic goes. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 2, 2023 17:58:06 GMT -6
That Lucas Dragecevic kid looks very very intriguing. He’s ranked 27. That’s roughly where the the Hawks pick from Tampa will be. Can’t have enough 6’2” right shot scoring dmen. He has 56 points in 45 games for Tri Cities. I think with the top pick, you take the most talented kid you can with the most upside. Doesn’t matter what position. But the next picks should be used to get dmen and centres. Centres can always be converted to wingers. The Hawks could have in 2 drafts Korchinski, Dragecevic, Rinzel. Plus have Allan, EDM. That’s very impressive to have those kids to start a rebuild. Plus if you get Bedard and have Nascar, Savoie, Ludwinski etc. the rebuild is almost have over. Then you still got Reichel and maybe a couple others. That’s looking good!!! skating seems to be the main concern as far as Dragecevic goes. This scouting report suggests the opposite!!! www.mynhldraft.com/2023-nhl-draft/player-profiles/Lukas-Dragicevic |
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Post by 2old4this on Feb 2, 2023 18:22:36 GMT -6
Did you read lit??? He said that skating is debatable. Sounded like he was defending his minority view, if you ask me. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 2, 2023 19:20:41 GMT -6
Did you read lit??? He said that skating is debatable. Sounded like he was defending his minority view, if you ask me. From the highlights I've seen he's a smooth agile skater but maybe they're talking about his top speed, similar to Regula, great agility but he had to work on his top speed. But considering his hands and wicked shot plus size and a righty, Hawks should definitely take him if he's there with the Tampa pick or if they get another 1st. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 2, 2023 22:22:34 GMT -6
Did you read lit??? He said that skating is debatable. Sounded like he was defending his minority view, if you ask me. Of course I did. There’s 3 opinions on it. All 3 said his skating was above average and good for his age group. The first guy, Pronman said he heard from scouts that they were concerned. But Pronman said he didn’t see any reason for concern. The other two said he was an above average skater. He had very good offensive instincts. So I don’t think he’s an elite skater at this point. But he’s above average which can lead to many good things. If he was an elite skater, he’d be in the top 3, not the top 30. He probably wouldn’t be ready for 3 years. But that’s ok. Go back and read all 3 scouts reports on him!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 2, 2023 23:00:42 GMT -6
Did you read lit??? He said that skating is debatable. Sounded like he was defending his minority view, if you ask me. Of course I did. There’s 3 opinions on it. All 3 said his skating was above average and good for his age group. The first guy, Pronman said he heard from scouts that they were concerned. But Pronman said he didn’t see any reason for concern. The other two said he was an above average skater. He had very good offensive instincts. So I don’t think he’s an elite skater at this point. But he’s above average which can lead to many good things. If he was an elite skater, he’d be in the top 3, not the top 30. He probably wouldn’t be ready for 3 years. But that’s ok. Go back and read all 3 scouts reports on him!!! agree that he has a lot of other attributes that are positive and if his skating was better, he would be a higher pick. I was just mentioning what I've read as far as negatives. I'd say there is a fair chance he will be there when we pick at Tampa's spot. the fact that he is projected as a late first rounder speaks to (imo, anyway) the likelihood that his skating is indeed not elite. |
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Post by BigT on Feb 3, 2023 7:45:58 GMT -6
Of course I did. There’s 3 opinions on it. All 3 said his skating was above average and good for his age group. The first guy, Pronman said he heard from scouts that they were concerned. But Pronman said he didn’t see any reason for concern. The other two said he was an above average skater. He had very good offensive instincts. So I don’t think he’s an elite skater at this point. But he’s above average which can lead to many good things. If he was an elite skater, he’d be in the top 3, not the top 30. He probably wouldn’t be ready for 3 years. But that’s ok. Go back and read all 3 scouts reports on him!!! agree that he has a lot of other attributes that are positive and if his skating was better, he would be a higher pick. I was just mentioning what I've read as far as negatives. I'd say there is a fair chance he will be there when we pick at Tampa's spot. the fact that he is projected as a late first rounder speaks to (imo, anyway) the likelihood that his skating is indeed not elite. I agree his skating probably isn’t elite. But there’s very few that have that. Even Dahlin is an above average skater. Watch Power. He’s not elite either. Makar is elite, Q Hughes is elite, Karlsson before all his injuries was elite. Let’s say the kid is another version of S Jones. Isn’t that a good thing to have? Seth is definitely not an elite skater. But he has many other attributes that make up for it. If Dragicevic was an average skater, he’d be a 3rd or 4th round selection. Above average means to me that they can probably improve a bit. We also have to remember, he’s definitely not a polished product. He will more than likely take a few years if not more. The kid is 17 right now. 2 more years of Jrs. Look at EDM. Almost everyone said he was an average skater with no offensive upside. Now he’s proving all that wrong. And he’s a hell of a defensive dman too. The key here is to develop them. I’m not too sure that the last regime really had any direction on development. I’m not sure the lines of communication were the clearest to the GMs of jr teams, or college coaches etc!!! |
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Post by steamer on Feb 3, 2023 8:38:31 GMT -6
Fingers crossed that they have revamped the development because all of this excitement over young promising players will be wasted without patient and effective development. I realize this has been said numerous times by many but we can’t afford to piss away another couple of rounds of picks.
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Post by tincup on Feb 8, 2023 17:50:57 GMT -6
Nice write up on Leo Carlsson…seems anywhere in the top three and you can’t go wrong.
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Post by 2old4this on Feb 8, 2023 22:03:52 GMT -6
Tearing it up! Might challenge for the #2 pick.
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Post by 2old4this on Feb 8, 2023 22:05:51 GMT -6
Does anybody know anything about goalie Trey Augustine? It sounds like he might be worth taking in the second round, from what I have gleaned. We have 2 picks in the second round, and might get a couple more before the trade deadline.
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Post by acesandeights on Feb 9, 2023 13:05:17 GMT -6
I've been very curious if the Hawks will take a goalie in this draft. They haven't taken a goalie in the last two drafts; Commesso and Basse were taken in 2019 and 2020. They are the youngest goalies in the system but both will be 21 when next season starts, and both also finishing their third seasons in college. So this year or next, a decision will need to be made about them.
I just feel like the Hawks need to get one or two younger G's in the system; even if it's one this year and one next year. Ones where they can do the same thing they did with Basse and Commesso; leave them in college for a few seasons and watch them and see how they do.
This way they would have young guys in the system coming up in case older ones don't work out, and this can happen.
You don't want all your your goalie prospects to be around the same age; which is how it currently is in the system.
I have to say, I have no idea what the goalie crop is like for this draft.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Feb 9, 2023 13:34:20 GMT -6
Tearing it up! Might challenge for the #2 pick. I have difficulty comparing prospects in Euro leagues to prospects in N.A. because of the less scoring in the Euro leagues. Carlsson's 18 points in 34 games is pretty underwhelming when looking through the N.A. prism ... I mean, intellectually I know there is a difference and should apply some differential accordingly - still it's hard to get excited about 18 points in 34 games. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 9, 2023 13:56:37 GMT -6
Tearing it up! Might challenge for the #2 pick. I have difficulty comparing prospects in Euro leagues to prospects in N.A. because of the less scoring in the Euro leagues. Carlsson's 18 points in 34 games is pretty underwhelming when looking through the N.A. prism ... I mean, intellectually I know there is a difference and should apply some differential accordingly - still it's hard to get excited about 18 points in 34 games. I wonder if also the defensive players are that much better than the N.A. defenders play a part in that. |
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Post by acesandeights on Feb 10, 2023 12:48:12 GMT -6
Tearing it up! Might challenge for the #2 pick. I have difficulty comparing prospects in Euro leagues to prospects in N.A. because of the less scoring in the Euro leagues. Carlsson's 18 points in 34 games is pretty underwhelming when looking through the N.A. prism ... I mean, intellectually I know there is a difference and should apply some differential accordingly - still it's hard to get excited about 18 points in 34 games. I know what you mean. I've often wondered how teams decide where to rank the players for any particular draft when the players don't all even play on the same continent. For example, one prospect may be the #6 NA skater. When the draft approaches and teams have to rank these players, once you add in the Euro and Russian prospects where does the #8 NA skater actually end up in the combined rankings. Does he only fall to the #9 or 10 prospect overall, or does he end up further down as the #13 or 14, etc. overall. How do they decide when, as you mention, Euros don't put up big stats like NA players can? |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 10, 2023 12:59:04 GMT -6
Tearing it up! Might challenge for the #2 pick. I have difficulty comparing prospects in Euro leagues to prospects in N.A. because of the less scoring in the Euro leagues. Carlsson's 18 points in 34 games is pretty underwhelming when looking through the N.A. prism ... I mean, intellectually I know there is a difference and should apply some differential accordingly - still it's hard to get excited about 18 points in 34 games. One thing to consider is that Bedard and Fantilli are playing against kids around their age, Carlsson is playing in an elite men's league and most likely on the bottom 6. |
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Post by nighbor on Feb 10, 2023 15:22:39 GMT -6
I have difficulty comparing prospects in Euro leagues to prospects in N.A. because of the less scoring in the Euro leagues. Carlsson's 18 points in 34 games is pretty underwhelming when looking through the N.A. prism ... I mean, intellectually I know there is a difference and should apply some differential accordingly - still it's hard to get excited about 18 points in 34 games. One thing to consider is that Bedard and Fantilli are playing against kids around their age, Carlsson is playing in an elite men's league and most likely on the bottom 6. Fantilli is playing for one of the top US schools playing against young men in their early 20's. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 10, 2023 15:52:39 GMT -6
One thing to consider is that Bedard and Fantilli are playing against kids around their age, Carlsson is playing in an elite men's league and most likely on the bottom 6. Fantilli is playing for one of the top US schools playing against young men in their early 20's. True, and I'm not saying it's an easier league, but grown men with far more experience and strength would be harder to get points against, especially skating on the bottom 6. He is first in points for players 20 and under in that league. Carlsson would be the safer pick because he's better defensively and has the same size, plus he's also a center. Everyone knows Bedard will go #1, if the Hawks get the 2nd they can't go wrong with Fantilli or Carlsson. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Feb 10, 2023 15:57:50 GMT -6
I have difficulty comparing prospects in Euro leagues to prospects in N.A. because of the less scoring in the Euro leagues. Carlsson's 18 points in 34 games is pretty underwhelming when looking through the N.A. prism ... I mean, intellectually I know there is a difference and should apply some differential accordingly - still it's hard to get excited about 18 points in 34 games. One thing to consider is that Bedard and Fantilli are playing against kids around their age, Carlsson is playing in an elite men's league and most likely on the bottom 6. Yeah, it's part of the equation, including larger ice surface and a more defensive style of play. I'm not really doubting the experts - just that I'm ill equipped to compare the apples and oranges of Euro and N.A. prospects. |
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Post by tincup on Feb 11, 2023 18:07:06 GMT -6
What is wrong with this guy that he’s not been drafted?
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Post by 2old4this on Feb 11, 2023 20:09:22 GMT -6
Does anybody know anything about goalie Trey Augustine? It sounds like he might be worth taking in the second round, from what I have gleaned. We have 2 picks in the second round, and might get a couple more before the trade deadline. Well, i did find this.... |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 11, 2023 22:56:55 GMT -6
What is wrong with this guy that he’s not been drafted? That's baffling, especially considering those numbers, plus he's a right handed center. 6' 180lbs is ok and in his last 10gms he has 9g-10a. Hawks should try and sign him and James Hardy. That'll help the Hogs offense. |
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