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Post by vadarx on Jun 23, 2023 16:37:31 GMT -6
I hope Jeff is wrong, I'll feel terrible for Adam if this happens... |
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Post by BigT on Jun 23, 2023 16:57:33 GMT -6
If the Hawks stand Pat and keep the 19th. There’s an outside shot that Moore could be there. It’s possible he could be there. Best skater in the draft. That’s what the Hawks are looking for. Maybe even move up.
As for moving up. There may be a team looking to trade back. I don’t have a clue as to who.
There may be a rebuilding team that the Hawks could also use next years firsts or the year after to move up.
If the Hawks had to trade away pick 19, pick 44 and next years 1st rounder from Tampa to move up. It could be possible to get into the top 10. And look at the top ten pick in this years draft as next years pick. Hawks could get a dynamic duo in this years draft. They’d be loaded with top end talent in just two years. I really could see Philly, Washington and or the Winged wheel pulling a trade like that. Maybe even Van is willing to wheel and deal!!!
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 23, 2023 17:18:31 GMT -6
If the Hawks stand Pat and keep the 19th. There’s an outside shot that Moore could be there. It’s possible he could be there. Best skater in the draft. That’s what the Hawks are looking for. Maybe even move up. As for moving up. There may be a team looking to trade back. I don’t have a clue as to who. There may be a rebuilding team that the Hawks could also use next years firsts or the year after to move up. If the Hawks had to trade away pick 19, pick 44 and next years 1st rounder from Tampa to move up. It could be possible to get into the top 10. And look at the top ten pick in this years draft as next years pick. Hawks could get a dynamic duo in this years draft. They’d be loaded with top end talent in just two years. I really could see Philly, Washington and or the Winged wheel pulling a trade like that. Maybe even Van is willing to wheel and deal!!! I would be up for that - #19 and #44 from this draft and TB's from 2024 (probably around #20) to move up - but how far up does that get us? |
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Post by Nikos on Jun 23, 2023 18:05:37 GMT -6
If the Hawks stand Pat and keep the 19th. There’s an outside shot that Moore could be there. It’s possible he could be there. Best skater in the draft. That’s what the Hawks are looking for. Maybe even move up. As for moving up. There may be a team looking to trade back. I don’t have a clue as to who. There may be a rebuilding team that the Hawks could also use next years firsts or the year after to move up. If the Hawks had to trade away pick 19, pick 44 and next years 1st rounder from Tampa to move up. It could be possible to get into the top 10. And look at the top ten pick in this years draft as next years pick. Hawks could get a dynamic duo in this years draft. They’d be loaded with top end talent in just two years. I really could see Philly, Washington and or the Winged wheel pulling a trade like that. Maybe even Van is willing to wheel and deal!!! Bedard and Moore with #1 & #19 I will be thrilled with that. Moore elite skater, I know based on what KD has said in the past he and organization covet skating when evaluating prospects. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 23, 2023 18:30:25 GMT -6
If the Hawks stand Pat and keep the 19th. There’s an outside shot that Moore could be there. It’s possible he could be there. Best skater in the draft. That’s what the Hawks are looking for. Maybe even move up. As for moving up. There may be a team looking to trade back. I don’t have a clue as to who. There may be a rebuilding team that the Hawks could also use next years firsts or the year after to move up. If the Hawks had to trade away pick 19, pick 44 and next years 1st rounder from Tampa to move up. It could be possible to get into the top 10. And look at the top ten pick in this years draft as next years pick. Hawks could get a dynamic duo in this years draft. They’d be loaded with top end talent in just two years. I really could see Philly, Washington and or the Winged wheel pulling a trade like that. Maybe even Van is willing to wheel and deal!!! I would be up for that - #19 and #44 from this draft and TB's from 2024 (probably around #20) to move up - but how far up does that get us? I think Philly would bite. They’re starting a rebuild and to get 3 solid assets for one solid asset would be worthwhile. Washington may do it too, or Detroit. Gotta think a team starting a rebuild like Philly may be more inclined to do that because they’re not getting a franchise player, and they can really help stock the cupboards. I would make that deal if I was Philly!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 23, 2023 19:05:32 GMT -6
I would be up for that - #19 and #44 from this draft and TB's from 2024 (probably around #20) to move up - but how far up does that get us? I think Philly would bite. They’re starting a rebuild and to get 3 solid assets for one solid asset would be worthwhile. Washington may do it too, or Detroit. Gotta think a team starting a rebuild like Philly may be more inclined to do that because they’re not getting a franchise player, and they can really help stock the cupboards. I would make that deal if I was Philly!!! I don't see the wangs moving down, at least not from 9 anyway. they already have a ton of picks, not sure they need more. Philly and Washington I could see, but I kinda doubt it. I don't know that there will much of an avenue to move up until pick 13-ish. I could see the Sabres or Pens swapping spots to add more picks. personally, I think we see the 'hawks pick @ 19 and then try and move up into the late first with someone like Toronto. I think that move up is much more likely now than a move up from 19... |
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Post by squishy24 on Jun 23, 2023 22:46:28 GMT -6
Reports are Philly will take Michkov if hes still there. (same with washington) They might trade down if Mich is gone.
I would guess the Pens at 14 might be a possible swap for the 19 if KD take on Granlund’s contract
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Post by 2old4this on Jun 24, 2023 0:33:10 GMT -6
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Post by phill9 on Jun 24, 2023 7:59:39 GMT -6
So is there any possibility the Hawks swap #1 with Anaheim for their #1, plus a package of picks and prospects?
Hawks get Fantilli, additional picks in this year's and future drafts (Anaheims 1st in both 2024 & 25), plus 1 or 2 of their top prospects.
Not saying I want this because Bedard is so much above the rest of the class. But if you're building for the future, Fantilli and a package may accelerate the rebuild faster then Bedard alone.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 24, 2023 8:07:33 GMT -6
So is there any possibility the Hawks swap #1 with Anaheim for their #1, plus a package of picks and prospects? Hawks get Fantilli, additional picks in this year's and future drafts (Anaheims 1st in both 2024 & 25), plus 1 or 2 of their top prospects. Not saying I want this because Bedard is so much above the rest of the class. But if you're building for the future, Fantilli and a package may accelerate the rebuild faster then Bedard alone. I like Fantilli but I'd rather have a generational player, quality over quantity. Plus the Hockey News reported that Anaheim is considered moving down to get more picks, so trading up and giving up picks doesn't seem likely. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 24, 2023 8:32:27 GMT -6
So is there any possibility the Hawks swap #1 with Anaheim for their #1, plus a package of picks and prospects? Hawks get Fantilli, additional picks in this year's and future drafts (Anaheims 1st in both 2024 & 25), plus 1 or 2 of their top prospects. Not saying I want this because Bedard is so much above the rest of the class. But if you're building for the future, Fantilli and a package may accelerate the rebuild faster then Bedard alone. I like Fantilli but I'd rather have a generational player, quality over quantity. Plus the Hockey News reported that Anaheim is considered moving down to get more picks, so trading up and giving up picks doesn't seem likely. Bedards the pick no doubt. I’d have to think really long if they offered this years 1st. Next years 1st and Mason McTavish. I think that would peak my interest. Getting both Center positions covered and another 1st would be hard to turn down. McTavish is already a good player. Fantilli looks incredible. Plus another first would really move the needle to completed rebuild very quickly. Looking at it from Anaheims point of view. I doubt they give up that much. Remember that stupid idiotic vile insane proposal that was out there about Nashville trading every pick in this years draft for Bedard? Who the hell wants a bag of rotting garbage for that? I cannot believe that actually circulated. Sure it’s quantity, but there’s absolutely No quality. I think at this point keeping the picks and not even listening to proposals is the way to go. Don’t even get tempted. The last thing Ike a player had the type of year Bedard had, was Wayne Gretzky. This kid is gonna be special!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 24, 2023 8:42:32 GMT -6
I like Fantilli but I'd rather have a generational player, quality over quantity. Plus the Hockey News reported that Anaheim is considered moving down to get more picks, so trading up and giving up picks doesn't seem likely. Bedards the pick no doubt. I’d have to think really long if they offered this years 1st. Next years 1st and Mason McTavish. I think that would peak my interest. Getting both Center positions covered and another 1st would be hard to turn down. McTavish is already a good player. Fantilli looks incredible. Plus another first would really move the needle to completed rebuild very quickly. Looking at it from Anaheims point of view. I doubt they give up that much. Remember that stupid idiotic vile insane proposal that was out there about Nashville trading every pick in this years draft for Bedard? Who the hell wants a bag of rotting garbage for that? I cannot believe that actually circulated. Sure it’s quantity, but there’s absolutely No quality. I think at this point keeping the picks and not even listening to proposals is the way to go. Don’t even get tempted. The last thing Ike a player had the type of year Bedard had, was Wayne Gretzky. This kid is gonna be special!!! They probably want McTavish and Bedard together, so I doubt he'd be coming back, but that would be tempting to have McTavish and Fantilli as the top centers, but not for Bedard. Yes he is that special, I've watched and read pretty much everything out there on him and I like him more and more. Great family and great kid. The Hockey News had an article on him when he was 12, the hype has grown exponentially since then, especially after breaking records at the World Juniors, having 71g-72a in the regular season and 10g-10a in 7 playoff games. Can't wait till Wed when he's officially a Blackhawk. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 24, 2023 8:59:19 GMT -6
If the Hawks stand Pat and keep the 19th. There’s an outside shot that Moore could be there. It’s possible he could be there. Best skater in the draft. That’s what the Hawks are looking for. Maybe even move up. As for moving up. There may be a team looking to trade back. I don’t have a clue as to who. There may be a rebuilding team that the Hawks could also use next years firsts or the year after to move up. If the Hawks had to trade away pick 19, pick 44 and next years 1st rounder from Tampa to move up. It could be possible to get into the top 10. And look at the top ten pick in this years draft as next years pick. Hawks could get a dynamic duo in this years draft. They’d be loaded with top end talent in just two years. I really could see Philly, Washington and or the Winged wheel pulling a trade like that. Maybe even Van is willing to wheel and deal!!! I will pass been up and down Mock drafts to the point that im done. But I truly believe you can get a darn good player at 19 and 44. Stick to the plan I believe the price to move up 9 or 10 spots is to steep. JMO |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 24, 2023 9:02:00 GMT -6
Cant wait this one should be fun. Gonna skip the Salt Shead and hang out with you guys. Thinking you guys might have an opinion on the picks LOL. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 24, 2023 10:02:23 GMT -6
If the Hawks stand Pat and keep the 19th. There’s an outside shot that Moore could be there. It’s possible he could be there. Best skater in the draft. That’s what the Hawks are looking for. Maybe even move up. As for moving up. There may be a team looking to trade back. I don’t have a clue as to who. There may be a rebuilding team that the Hawks could also use next years firsts or the year after to move up. If the Hawks had to trade away pick 19, pick 44 and next years 1st rounder from Tampa to move up. It could be possible to get into the top 10. And look at the top ten pick in this years draft as next years pick. Hawks could get a dynamic duo in this years draft. They’d be loaded with top end talent in just two years. I really could see Philly, Washington and or the Winged wheel pulling a trade like that. Maybe even Van is willing to wheel and deal!!! I will pass been up and down Mock drafts to the point that im done. But I truly believe you can get a darn good player at 19 and 44. Stick to the plan I believe the price to move up 9 or 10 spots is to steep. JMO Realistically the spot they can move up to without giving away a 1st and 2nd is #11, Vancouvers pick, they really need cap space so taking on a contract or 2 with no salary retained, plus #19 should do it, plus add in the rights to Mitchell and another rfa, Bjork, Caleb. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 24, 2023 16:17:12 GMT -6
I will pass been up and down Mock drafts to the point that im done. But I truly believe you can get a darn good player at 19 and 44. Stick to the plan I believe the price to move up 9 or 10 spots is to steep. JMO Realistically the spot they can move up to without giving away a 1st and 2nd is #11, Vancouvers pick, they really need cap space so taking on a contract or 2 with no salary retained, plus #19 should do it, plus add in the rights to Mitchell and another rfa, Bjork, Caleb. I just don't see Vancouver trading out of that spot, or at least not trading down. I think the highest we can move up is 14, personally. as I said before, I think we will see KD and Co try and add a third, late first rounder rather than moving up from 19. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 24, 2023 18:51:35 GMT -6
Realistically the spot they can move up to without giving away a 1st and 2nd is #11, Vancouvers pick, they really need cap space so taking on a contract or 2 with no salary retained, plus #19 should do it, plus add in the rights to Mitchell and another rfa, Bjork, Caleb. I just don't see Vancouver trading out of that spot, or at least not trading down. I think the highest we can move up is 14, personally. as I said before, I think we will see KD and Co try and add a third, late first rounder rather than moving up from 19. I believe there’s a deal in place now. Nothing concrete. But if the Hawks have a player they want and he’s there at 11. They pick up the phone and it’ll be done. If not, they’ll wait till 19!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jun 24, 2023 18:52:07 GMT -6
Realistically the spot they can move up to without giving away a 1st and 2nd is #11, Vancouvers pick, they really need cap space so taking on a contract or 2 with no salary retained, plus #19 should do it, plus add in the rights to Mitchell and another rfa, Bjork, Caleb. I just don't see Vancouver trading out of that spot, or at least not trading down. I think the highest we can move up is 14, personally. as I said before, I think we will see KD and Co try and add a third, late first rounder rather than moving up from 19. I believe there’s a deal in place now. Nothing concrete. But if the Hawks have a player they want and he’s there at 11. They pick up the phone and it’ll be done. If not, they’ll wait till 19!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 24, 2023 19:02:49 GMT -6
I just don't see Vancouver trading out of that spot, or at least not trading down. I think the highest we can move up is 14, personally. as I said before, I think we will see KD and Co try and add a third, late first rounder rather than moving up from 19. I believe there’s a deal in place now. Nothing concrete. But if the Hawks have a player they want and he’s there at 11. They pick up the phone and it’ll be done. If not, they’ll wait till 19!!! we'll find out in a few days. the excitement is killing me! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 24, 2023 21:08:15 GMT -6
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Post by shooter61 on Jun 25, 2023 8:07:15 GMT -6
I've also heard that Van wants to much for the 11th over all,
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Post by BigT on Jun 25, 2023 8:58:30 GMT -6
I've also heard that Van wants to much for the 11th over all, We always gotta think what would we take for pick #11? Leave out Vancouver. Let’s say the Hawks originally have pick 11. What would you trade for it in a historically deep draft? If I had to drop salary from my roster, but the players were decent, like Boeser and Garland. I’d trade one of them, most likely Garland. Along with the 11th for say pick #19, pick # 44 and Murphy 1/2 retained. I think I’d be happy parting with pick 11 for that haul. So if. Got pick 19, pick 44, Murphy at 2.2 million for 2 more years. And lose Garlands 5 million for 3 more. A net gain of almost 3 million in cap savings and a number 4 dman. I’d do it. 💯. I think that’s a trade that I would get carried around the city for. From the Hawks point of view. Do they really wanna move up that bad? That’s a lot to give up. But if there’s a player available that’s high on their list. Then it may happen!!! |
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Post by 2old4this on Jun 25, 2023 17:31:06 GMT -6
So is there any possibility the Hawks swap #1 with Anaheim for their #1, plus a package of picks and prospects? Hawks get Fantilli, additional picks in this year's and future drafts (Anaheims 1st in both 2024 & 25), plus 1 or 2 of their top prospects. Not saying I want this because Bedard is so much above the rest of the class. But if you're building for the future, Fantilli and a package may accelerate the rebuild faster then Bedard alone. Bite thy tongue, knave! Bedard is a Blackhawk. |
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Post by Nikos on Jun 25, 2023 20:01:42 GMT -6
I've also heard that Van wants to much for the 11th over all, We always gotta think what would we take for pick #11? Leave out Vancouver. Let’s say the Hawks originally have pick 11. What would you trade for it in a historically deep draft? If I had to drop salary from my roster, but the players were decent, like Boeser and Garland. I’d trade one of them, most likely Garland. Along with the 11th for say pick #19, pick # 44 and Murphy 1/2 retained. I think I’d be happy parting with pick 11 for that haul. So if. Got pick 19, pick 44, Murphy at 2.2 million for 2 more years. And lose Garlands 5 million for 3 more. A net gain of almost 3 million in cap savings and a number 4 dman. I’d do it. 💯. I think that’s a trade that I would get carried around the city for. From the Hawks point of view. Do they really wanna move up that bad? That’s a lot to give up. But if there’s a player available that’s high on their list. Then it may happen!!! If I can draft Moore or Danielson at #11 I do that trade. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 25, 2023 20:30:00 GMT -6
We always gotta think what would we take for pick #11? Leave out Vancouver. Let’s say the Hawks originally have pick 11. What would you trade for it in a historically deep draft? If I had to drop salary from my roster, but the players were decent, like Boeser and Garland. I’d trade one of them, most likely Garland. Along with the 11th for say pick #19, pick # 44 and Murphy 1/2 retained. I think I’d be happy parting with pick 11 for that haul. So if. Got pick 19, pick 44, Murphy at 2.2 million for 2 more years. And lose Garlands 5 million for 3 more. A net gain of almost 3 million in cap savings and a number 4 dman. I’d do it. 💯. I think that’s a trade that I would get carried around the city for. From the Hawks point of view. Do they really wanna move up that bad? That’s a lot to give up. But if there’s a player available that’s high on their list. Then it may happen!!! If I can draft Moore or Danielson at #11 I do that trade. same here, but only for Danielson. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jun 25, 2023 22:51:49 GMT -6
If the Hawks stand Pat and keep the 19th. There’s an outside shot that Moore could be there. It’s possible he could be there. Best skater in the draft. That’s what the Hawks are looking for. Maybe even move up. As for moving up. There may be a team looking to trade back. I don’t have a clue as to who. There may be a rebuilding team that the Hawks could also use next years firsts or the year after to move up. If the Hawks had to trade away pick 19, pick 44 and next years 1st rounder from Tampa to move up. It could be possible to get into the top 10. And look at the top ten pick in this years draft as next years pick. Hawks could get a dynamic duo in this years draft. They’d be loaded with top end talent in just two years. I really could see Philly, Washington and or the Winged wheel pulling a trade like that. Maybe even Van is willing to wheel and deal!!! My preference would be to see the Hawks trade some cap room to acquire draft pic(s). We gave up a lot to get our draft pics. I think it would be somewhat foolish to spend them chasing one or two players. Ultimately, clubs that have cap problems are under a good deal of pressure to deal with that, whereas trying to get our players or draft pics represents a choice. So lets deal from our strength and hold onto our pics. I believe Vancouver with the 11th pic has some serious cap problems. Lets make a deal.
Also, moving slower on the rebuild will let us stay closer to the top draft pics for another year.
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Post by BigT on Jun 26, 2023 6:16:00 GMT -6
If the Hawks stand Pat and keep the 19th. There’s an outside shot that Moore could be there. It’s possible he could be there. Best skater in the draft. That’s what the Hawks are looking for. Maybe even move up. As for moving up. There may be a team looking to trade back. I don’t have a clue as to who. There may be a rebuilding team that the Hawks could also use next years firsts or the year after to move up. If the Hawks had to trade away pick 19, pick 44 and next years 1st rounder from Tampa to move up. It could be possible to get into the top 10. And look at the top ten pick in this years draft as next years pick. Hawks could get a dynamic duo in this years draft. They’d be loaded with top end talent in just two years. I really could see Philly, Washington and or the Winged wheel pulling a trade like that. Maybe even Van is willing to wheel and deal!!! My preference would be to see the Hawks trade some cap room to acquire draft pic(s). We gave up a lot to get our draft pics. I think it would be somewhat foolish to spend them chasing one or two players. Ultimately, clubs that have cap problems are under a good deal of pressure to deal with that, whereas trying to get our players or draft pics represents a choice. So lets deal from our strength and hold onto our pics. I believe Vancouver with the 11th pic has some serious cap problems. Lets make a deal.
Also, moving slower on the rebuild will let us stay closer to the top draft pics for another year.
Vancouver is now cap compliant. They have no hurry to move anyone. I think they’ll wait on their players they’re looking to trade and see if there’s any or more value at the TDL. I don’t think they get stupid and give away that pick. I think they’re using it. And seeing what the Preds just got for Johansen, they retained half of his salary and got pending UFA Galchenyuk. So I don’t know if there’s many teams willing to give up much in this draft. Gonna have to give to get!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jun 26, 2023 6:36:59 GMT -6
If I can draft Moore or Danielson at #11 I do that trade. same here, but only for Danielson. My worry about Moore is that there’s too much emphasis on his skating and not enough on his hockey. He’s not an elite scorer and maybe he scores what he does now due to his skating. But in the NHL, skating is just an asset and not everything. Gotta have skill to boot. Danielson seems like more of an overall game. Plus size. There is a chance he’ll be there at 19. But I feel Pitt, Calgary etc will take him ahead of the Hawks!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jun 26, 2023 6:57:50 GMT -6
Another tidbit. Andrew Cristall will not be a Hawks pick. I heard 2 scouts say “If there’s a worse skater in this draft, I haven’t seen them”. And they said “he looks every bit of 5’9” out there, I don’t think his game translates to the pro game”. So it’s safe to say he has good hands and a good IQ, but no size and no skating.
It’s hard to tell who’ll go where. But I think if a trade is to happen, gotta wait till the draft. Why trade now if your target may not be there? You’ve come this far, might as well wait till the end now!!!
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Post by Nikos on Jun 26, 2023 8:38:26 GMT -6
My preference would be to see the Hawks trade some cap room to acquire draft pic(s). We gave up a lot to get our draft pics. I think it would be somewhat foolish to spend them chasing one or two players. Ultimately, clubs that have cap problems are under a good deal of pressure to deal with that, whereas trying to get our players or draft pics represents a choice. So lets deal from our strength and hold onto our pics. I believe Vancouver with the 11th pic has some serious cap problems. Lets make a deal.
Also, moving slower on the rebuild will let us stay closer to the top draft pics for another year.
Vancouver is now cap compliant. They have no hurry to move anyone. I think they’ll wait on their players they’re looking to trade and see if there’s any or more value at the TDL. I don’t think they get stupid and give away that pick. I think they’re using it. And seeing what the Preds just got for Johansen, they retained half of his salary and got pending UFA Galchenyuk. So I don’t know if there’s many teams willing to give up much in this draft. Gonna have to give to get!!! I agree I do not see many teams giving up their 1st & 2nd round picks this year to clear cap space. I believe what you might see is Hawks trading a couple of 2's to get back in the later part of 1st round. |
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