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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 29, 2023 12:30:55 GMT -6
nice as well that the hawks got the goalie they were targeting.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 29, 2023 12:39:26 GMT -6
nice as well that the hawks got the goalie they were targeting. He'll be glad Bedard won't be shooting on him, only in practice. |
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Post by tincup on Jun 29, 2023 14:21:14 GMT -6
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Post by tincup on Jun 29, 2023 14:28:31 GMT -6
Good to hear Foley’s voice again…
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Post by Nikos on Jun 29, 2023 15:29:37 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jun 29, 2023 16:16:47 GMT -6
well, I slept through the party here this morning, so...
I won't lie, I am not a fan of our 2nd round at all. taking a goalie @ 35 was too high with all the other prospects available there. taking another under sized winger (from Russia, no less) @ 44 seemed unnecessary, especially with some of the other prospects still available. Misiak sounds like a worker with size, so maybe he hits if he can find some scoring touch. he was likely a reach there, as well
what I disliked more than anything, in the second and overall, was taking one (1!) defenseman. Morin was there at 44 and could've (should've) been the choice, imo. I assume he wasn't because he has some questions about his skating. seems silly to me to just sit on the d prospects today. look at what detroit did: they took five (5!) dmen today with a system that already has Seider and Edvinsson, a pair of dmen that might be better than any we have at the moment...
liked the first round and the later rounds (Lardis in the third could be a steal), but I do not care for the second round picks. Gajan is fine with me, I just wish we would've taken him @ 44. I'm sure they were concerned he might be taken before 44 and that is the reason for him @ 35, but it seems like a reach with the other players that were available at that pick. of course, I say all this and then hope he becomes our next Crow (or even better!).
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Post by vadarx on Jun 29, 2023 16:19:58 GMT -6
common theme over the past 24 hours appears to be good skating and good shot.
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Post by Nikos on Jun 29, 2023 16:41:32 GMT -6
well, I slept through the party here this morning, so... I won't lie, I am not a fan of our 2nd round at all. taking a goalie @ 35 was too high with all the other prospects available there. taking another under sized winger (from Russia, no less) @ 44 seemed unnecessary, especially with some of the other prospects still available. Misiak sounds like a worker with size, so maybe he hits if he can find some scoring touch. he was likely a reach there, as well what I disliked more than anything, in the second and overall, was taking one (1!) defenseman. Morin was there at 44 and could've (should've) been the choice, imo. I assume he wasn't because he has some questions about his skating. seems silly to me to just sit on the d prospects today. look at what detroit did: they took five (5!) dmen today with a system that already has Seider and Edvinsson, a pair of dmen that might be better than any we have at the moment... liked the first round and the later rounds (Lardis in the third could be a steal), but I do not care for the second round picks. Gajan is fine with me, I just wish we would've taken him @ 44. I'm sure they were concerned he might be taken before 44 and that is the reason for him @ 35, but it seems like a reach with the other players that were available at that pick. of course, I say all this and then hope he becomes our next Crow (or even better!). Why defenseman Lucas Dragicevic (6' 1" 185 lbs.) was not considered drafted by Kraken at #57, read and heard a lot of good things about him. Instead, we send a second to Philly for another second next year. Some mocks had him in late first. Maybe the team and FO feels very good about the dmen on the team and system, but you can never have enough D and to your point Detroit loading up. With respects to goalies, a total of 5 were drafted in second round, so possibly this was their guy, but agree would have taken a D or forward with #35 and then get the goalie at #44. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 29, 2023 17:13:45 GMT -6
the brass and scouts have all said they really like the d pool, but I think completely neglecting it this draft was a poor choice, especially when those prospects take longer to develop. in regards to Dragicevic, I've been saying for a while I didn't think he was a take for the 'hawks due to his skating. as I said earlier, pretty common theme building here the past couple drafts. skating is number 1, with either high compete or a good shot being factor #2.
that being said, the next draft should have some stronger d prospects available, so perhaps that factored into the decisions today.
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Post by hawks27 on Jun 29, 2023 17:33:19 GMT -6
likely the last player i can imagine in a hawk's uni. need some time to process this. HATE THE JERK! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 29, 2023 20:11:42 GMT -6
I wasn't sure about the 2nd round picks but they're growing on me.
Gajan might've been there with their next pick but he's probably the best goalie in the draft and could be the future #1. He almost stole the game versus Canada at the World Juniors and it took Bedard beating 3 guys and pulling off a sweet move to beat them in OT.
The Russian, Kantserov, might've been a reach but he's very skilled and looks like an MMA fighter. He's a great skater who's strong on his feet and has a hard accurate shot, plus he's a great passer.
Lastly they got Misiak, a big winger who came over from Slovakia to the Youngstown Phantoms and had 10pts in 9gms in the playoffs and helped them win the Clarke Cup, great start in North America. Awesome hearing he's one of the hardest workers in the draft and I read a comment from a Phantoms fan who loved how he played from game 1 when he came over. He's listed as a winger but KD said he worked his way up and was the Phantoms 1C in the playoffs. He also lead the playoffs in assists, 8.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 29, 2023 20:31:53 GMT -6
Trying to match that Tohila pick from last year, close but no cigar. Tohila might be taller, not by much, but he's 198lbs, Oscarson is 216lbs. He didn't put up good numbers in the regular season, 1g-2a in 45gms, but he had 4g-2a in 13 playoff games and +8, and he played some time on Leo Carlssons line, there's a vid of Leo feeding him and Oscarson made a nice move on the D and sniped it far side top corner. Plus Oscarson can play center or wing. Other big guy they drafted that can play center or wing is 6'4" 240+lbs Marcel Marcel. I like that he played with Samuel Savoie last season in Gatineau, hopefully they're on the same line next season and build some chemistry. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 29, 2023 20:48:50 GMT -6
well, I slept through the party here this morning, so... I won't lie, I am not a fan of our 2nd round at all. taking a goalie @ 35 was too high with all the other prospects available there. taking another under sized winger (from Russia, no less) @ 44 seemed unnecessary, especially with some of the other prospects still available. Misiak sounds like a worker with size, so maybe he hits if he can find some scoring touch. he was likely a reach there, as well what I disliked more than anything, in the second and overall, was taking one (1!) defenseman. Morin was there at 44 and could've (should've) been the choice, imo. I assume he wasn't because he has some questions about his skating. seems silly to me to just sit on the d prospects today. look at what detroit did: they took five (5!) dmen today with a system that already has Seider and Edvinsson, a pair of dmen that might be better than any we have at the moment... liked the first round and the later rounds (Lardis in the third could be a steal), but I do not care for the second round picks. Gajan is fine with me, I just wish we would've taken him @ 44. I'm sure they were concerned he might be taken before 44 and that is the reason for him @ 35, but it seems like a reach with the other players that were available at that pick. of course, I say all this and then hope he becomes our next Crow (or even better!). Im with you on most of this Vad thought they reached on everyone in the second round. Then they went big with the hope just one of them hits. Agree with Lardis. I really like the Moore kid but I understand people wanting Stenberg but Stenberg isnt any bigger then Moore and Edstrom would have been a reach at 19. I would assume they load up on D next draft. Taking CB out of the equation I still give KD C+, B- on this draft. Now lets hope he hits on 1-2 of those second rounders. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 29, 2023 21:21:51 GMT -6
well, I slept through the party here this morning, so... I won't lie, I am not a fan of our 2nd round at all. taking a goalie @ 35 was too high with all the other prospects available there. taking another under sized winger (from Russia, no less) @ 44 seemed unnecessary, especially with some of the other prospects still available. Misiak sounds like a worker with size, so maybe he hits if he can find some scoring touch. he was likely a reach there, as well what I disliked more than anything, in the second and overall, was taking one (1!) defenseman. Morin was there at 44 and could've (should've) been the choice, imo. I assume he wasn't because he has some questions about his skating. seems silly to me to just sit on the d prospects today. look at what detroit did: they took five (5!) dmen today with a system that already has Seider and Edvinsson, a pair of dmen that might be better than any we have at the moment... liked the first round and the later rounds (Lardis in the third could be a steal), but I do not care for the second round picks. Gajan is fine with me, I just wish we would've taken him @ 44. I'm sure they were concerned he might be taken before 44 and that is the reason for him @ 35, but it seems like a reach with the other players that were available at that pick. of course, I say all this and then hope he becomes our next Crow (or even better!). Im with you on most of this Vad thought they reached on everyone in the second round. Then they went big with the hope just one of them hits. Agree with Lardis. I really like the Moore kid but I understand people wanting Stenberg but Stenberg isnt any bigger then Moore and Edstrom would have been a reach at 19. I would assume they load up on D next draft. Taking CB out of the equation I still give KD C+, B- on this draft. Now lets hope he hits on 1-2 of those second rounders. Stenberg and Moore are both 5'11" but Moores a little heavier and was projected to go around the top10, plus on Zawaski's podcast he mentioned a scout for EliteProspects said in all of his years scouting he hasn't seen anyone with Moores speed and agility. Plus he's a 200' player, so I'm sold on him over the German. And Lardis needs to add weight, he's only 165lbs, but he's 5'11" so he has the frame to add more. And being known as a sniper with a hard shot is impressive considering he's only 165lbs, 37g in the OHL is a great year for a young forward, even more so considering 25 came in the last 33gms. I've seen the Hawks with A and A+ grades, Bedard certainly helped with that, without him I'd give them a B+. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 29, 2023 22:05:32 GMT -6
Im with you on most of this Vad thought they reached on everyone in the second round. Then they went big with the hope just one of them hits. Agree with Lardis. I really like the Moore kid but I understand people wanting Stenberg but Stenberg isnt any bigger then Moore and Edstrom would have been a reach at 19. I would assume they load up on D next draft. Taking CB out of the equation I still give KD C+, B- on this draft. Now lets hope he hits on 1-2 of those second rounders. Stenberg and Moore are both 5'11" but Moores a little heavier and was projected to go around the top10, plus on Zawaski's podcast he mentioned a scout for EliteProspects said in all of his years scouting he hasn't seen anyone with Moores speed and agility. Plus he's a 200' player, so I'm sold on him over the German. And Lardis needs to add weight, he's only 165lbs, but he's 5'11" so he has the frame to add more. And being known as a sniper with a hard shot is impressive considering he's only 165lbs, 37g in the OHL is a great year for a young forward, even more so considering 25 came in the last 33gms. I've seen the Hawks with A and A+ grades, Bedard certainly helped with that, without him I'd give them a B+. Usually grading a team's draft would encompass all the picks - but probably, on average, only 2-3-4 of the players make a career in the NHL. Based on that - I'm pretty please with Bedard, Moore and Gajan and give the draft an "A". |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 29, 2023 22:28:15 GMT -6
Stenberg and Moore are both 5'11" but Moores a little heavier and was projected to go around the top10, plus on Zawaski's podcast he mentioned a scout for EliteProspects said in all of his years scouting he hasn't seen anyone with Moores speed and agility. Plus he's a 200' player, so I'm sold on him over the German. And Lardis needs to add weight, he's only 165lbs, but he's 5'11" so he has the frame to add more. And being known as a sniper with a hard shot is impressive considering he's only 165lbs, 37g in the OHL is a great year for a young forward, even more so considering 25 came in the last 33gms. I've seen the Hawks with A and A+ grades, Bedard certainly helped with that, without him I'd give them a B+. Usually grading a team's draft would encompass all the picks - but probably, on average, only 2-3-4 of the players make a career in the NHL. Based on that - I'm pretty please with Bedard, Moore and Gajan and give the draft an "A". BB said taking CB out of the equation, of course every player should be included, with Bedard I'd give them an A+. They have a potential #1 goalie plus some highly skilled players with the other 4 picks in the first 2 rounds. Plus they added some big versatile forwards in the later rounds and the 7th pick was the only dman but he's 6'3" and a good skater. Getting Marcel Marcel should get them another plus with his name and size, A++. Him and Savoie should be fun to follow next season. |
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Post by irmaks on Jun 30, 2023 7:02:37 GMT -6
Im with you on most of this Vad thought they reached on everyone in the second round. Then they went big with the hope just one of them hits. Agree with Lardis. I really like the Moore kid but I understand people wanting Stenberg but Stenberg isnt any bigger then Moore and Edstrom would have been a reach at 19. I would assume they load up on D next draft. Taking CB out of the equation I still give KD C+, B- on this draft. Now lets hope he hits on 1-2 of those second rounders. Stenberg and Moore are both 5'11" but Moores a little heavier and was projected to go around the top10, plus on Zawaski's podcast he mentioned a scout for EliteProspects said in all of his years scouting he hasn't seen anyone with Moores speed and agility. Plus he's a 200' player, so I'm sold on him over the German. And Lardis needs to add weight, he's only 165lbs, but he's 5'11" so he has the frame to add more. And being known as a sniper with a hard shot is impressive considering he's only 165lbs, 37g in the OHL is a great year for a young forward, even more so considering 25 came in the last 33gms. I've seen the Hawks with A and A+ grades, Bedard certainly helped with that, without him I'd give them a B+. Blackhawks is the only team that got A+ from Pronman on Athletics |
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Post by steamer on Jun 30, 2023 7:35:38 GMT -6
Ideally another D-man or two would have been nice but they can also be acquired as FAs down the road. Bolts had home grown Hedman and Sergachev but brought in veteran McDonagh. Cats with Ekblad and Gudas, etc. etc. KD surely isn’t saying things are done by any means - a long term rebuild.
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 30, 2023 9:50:16 GMT -6
Ideally another D-man or two would have been nice but they can also be acquired as FAs down the road. Bolts had home grown Hedman and Sergachev but brought in veteran McDonagh. Cats with Ekblad and Gudas, etc. etc. KD surely isn’t saying things are done by any means - a long term rebuild. That's how I'm seeing it. Another D-man would have been nice, but from the looks of it we got guys with good skating and a good shot, as well as Gajan who looks really good. I think if there are surplus they are easier to move than the big, slow guys even if the shot takes a tumble. I'm not one for guessing too much, but I think maybe KD looks more defensively next draft. Either way, I'm excited about who the future looks like for the 'hawks. Now we just need to develop the talent and get the right fill-ins. It's still not going to be easy to replicate what the previous core did. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 30, 2023 11:53:21 GMT -6
Ideally another D-man or two would have been nice but they can also be acquired as FAs down the road. Bolts had home grown Hedman and Sergachev but brought in veteran McDonagh. Cats with Ekblad and Gudas, etc. etc. KD surely isn’t saying things are done by any means - a long term rebuild. That's how I'm seeing it. Another D-man would have been nice, but from the looks of it we got guys with good skating and a good shot, as well as Gajan who looks really good. I think if there are surplus they are easier to move than the big, slow guys even if the shot takes a tumble. I'm not one for guessing too much, but I think maybe KD looks more defensively next draft. Either way, I'm excited about who the future looks like for the 'hawks. Now we just need to develop the talent and get the right fill-ins. It's still not going to be easy to replicate what the previous core did. If you look at the past 20 Cup champs. Most of the high end talent is home grown. But most teams fill in around the edges with cheaper UFA or trades. I have to think having 10 drafted players is awesome. If they get 12-14. Even better. They don’t need to draft an entire team to get somewhere. The leaves now have like 6 players they’ve drafted left on that team. What don’t think that works out to be honest!!! |
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Post by tincup on Jun 30, 2023 12:32:34 GMT -6
This is the future! They should treat them like the Royal Family, don’t all fly on the same flight.  Anyways, here’s hoping they are all on the ice together in 3 or 4 years. |
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Post by Nikos on Jun 30, 2023 14:30:35 GMT -6
 Wanted share this. This was on display at the Hawks draft party after the draft on the Skydeck across from Bridgestone arena. This is the actual lottery card with the #1 pick that Deputy Commissioner Daley flipped. The actual photo I saved is a much better quality, not sure if when you attach on this site it loses some resolution. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 30, 2023 16:55:36 GMT -6
View AttachmentWanted share this. This was on display at the Hawks draft party after the draft on the Skydeck across from Bridgestone arena. This is the actual lottery card with the #1 pick that Deputy Commissioner Daley flipped. The actual photo I saved is a much better quality, not sure if when you attach on this site it loses some resolution. I’m against stealing. And wasn’t raised that way. But I may have stolen that card!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 30, 2023 17:14:32 GMT -6
That's how I'm seeing it. Another D-man would have been nice, but from the looks of it we got guys with good skating and a good shot, as well as Gajan who looks really good. I think if there are surplus they are easier to move than the big, slow guys even if the shot takes a tumble. I'm not one for guessing too much, but I think maybe KD looks more defensively next draft. Either way, I'm excited about who the future looks like for the 'hawks. Now we just need to develop the talent and get the right fill-ins. It's still not going to be easy to replicate what the previous core did. If you look at the past 20 Cup champs. Most of the high end talent is home grown. But most teams fill in around the edges with cheaper UFA or trades. I have to think having 10 drafted players is awesome. If they get 12-14. Even better. They don’t need to draft an entire team to get somewhere. The leaves now have like 6 players they’ve drafted left on that team. What don’t think that works out to be honest!!! Bedard, Moore, Korchinski, Allan, Dach, Hayes, Commesso, Gajan, Del Maestro, Reichel. That's 10 right there. Not all will make it of course, but I don't think we should pretend that the cupboards haven't improved since the Legume-reckoner was tossed out on his ass (and yes, some of those I listed were his picks). I think we're in decent-enough shape as long as the course stays the same and any holes that come up are filled. I see KD's moves as a step in the right direction with a shit-tonne of work that still needs to be done, but I have no real qualms about the direction thus far. After all, Keith, Seabs, and Hjammer weren't taken in the same draft. We'll see how this goes but I feel like KD's doing a better job (thus far) than his predecessor and it seems like he's actually listening to the hockey minds surrounding him. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 30, 2023 17:15:21 GMT -6
This is the future! They should treat them like the Royal Family, don’t all fly on the same flight. Anyways, here’s hoping they are all on the ice together in 3 or 4 years. Here's hoping they didn't receive a United Airlines signature beatdown on the flight. |
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Post by Nikos on Jun 30, 2023 17:57:24 GMT -6
View AttachmentWanted share this. This was on display at the Hawks draft party after the draft on the Skydeck across from Bridgestone arena. This is the actual lottery card with the #1 pick that Deputy Commissioner Daley flipped. The actual photo I saved is a much better quality, not sure if when you attach on this site it loses some resolution. I’m against stealing. And wasn’t raised that way. But I may have stolen that card!!! They actually had someone to side standing there. I purposely did not include him in the photo. |
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Post by Tater on Jul 1, 2023 2:36:54 GMT -6
I’m against stealing. And wasn’t raised that way. But I may have stolen that card!!! They actually had someone to side standing there. I purposely did not include him in the photo.
I could see a disgruntled Preds fan try "Pronger" it.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 1, 2023 5:55:15 GMT -6
If you look at the past 20 Cup champs. Most of the high end talent is home grown. But most teams fill in around the edges with cheaper UFA or trades. I have to think having 10 drafted players is awesome. If they get 12-14. Even better. They don’t need to draft an entire team to get somewhere. The leaves now have like 6 players they’ve drafted left on that team. What don’t think that works out to be honest!!! Bedard, Moore, Korchinski, Allan, Dach, Hayes, Commesso, Gajan, Del Maestro, Reichel. That's 10 right there. Not all will make it of course, but I don't think we should pretend that the cupboards haven't improved since the Legume-reckoner was tossed out on his ass (and yes, some of those I listed were his picks). I think we're in decent-enough shape as long as the course stays the same and any holes that come up are filled. I see KD's moves as a step in the right direction with a shit-tonne of work that still needs to be done, but I have no real qualms about the direction thus far. After all, Keith, Seabs, and Hjammer weren't taken in the same draft. We'll see how this goes but I feel like KD's doing a better job (thus far) than his predecessor and it seems like he's actually listening to the hockey minds surrounding him. Nazar should definitely be on that list, Vlasic as well. 5 of the 10 you mentioned were from the last GM, and 1 of the 2 I mentioned. Since 2019 the Hawks have been doing a better job of drafting, well besides Dach but he got us Nazar and Hayes. I really like what KD has done in his first two drafts, 10 picks in the first two rounds is a lot and helps with the odds of landing some quality NHLers. And KD also got guys in later rounds that were projected to go higher, like Lardis in the 3rd this year, he should've went early in the 2nd, he's one of the best skaters in the draft and he's got a high IQ with a lethal shot. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jul 1, 2023 9:14:44 GMT -6
I don't normally watch these things but I've got a little that "hey, man, something might be happening here" feeling like I did in 2008-2009 - and Oscarson looks downright frightening to have to play against (his eyes and accent remind me of a 1980s movie villain, could almost be one of Hans Gruber's henchmen). Wow: youtu.be/9ogsXjxMDf8?t=1538. I am hoping this group all makes the right strides for themselves and for the team. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 1, 2023 9:32:58 GMT -6
I don't normally watch these things but I've got a little that "hey, man, something might be happening here" feeling like I did in 2008-2009 - and Oscarson looks downright frightening to have to play against (his eyes and accent remind me of a 1980s movie villain, could almost be one of Hans Gruber's henchmen). Wow: youtu.be/9ogsXjxMDf8?t=1538. I am hoping this group all makes the right strides for themselves and for the team. He's a big scary looking guy, same with Marcel Marcel, he looked really good at the last Word Juniors and scored a beautiful end to end short handed goal. Of course later picks are long shots but I like that KD drafts bigger guys with these picks. |
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Anyways, here’s hoping they are all on the ice together in 3 or 4 years.
