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Post by tincup on Jul 1, 2023 10:07:55 GMT -6
I apologize if this has been posted already but I just ran into it…knew Moore was good, but jeezus, can this kid skate. His edgework is amazing. Gonna need his own thread soon.
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Post by mikeveisor on Jul 1, 2023 10:16:02 GMT -6
I apologize if this has been posted already but I just ran into it…knew Moore was good, but jeezus, can this kid skate. His edgework is amazing. Gonna need his own thread soon. Wow. Hadn’t seen this. I can see why he was coveted by KD. Never really understood “edge work,” but now I do. Here’s hoping he continues his development as a college freshman. If so, 2024-2025 may become real interesting in Chicago. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 1, 2023 10:29:31 GMT -6
One thing I’ll say. I’m not a fan of re-inventing the perfectly round wheel. But sometimes you gotta fly. The wheel is much slower.
This new brand of Hawks may be unbelievably fast. The old adage, “Can’t eat what you can’t catch”. So far I see a lot of high end skill and speed. I’m finding it harder and harder not to like what’s going on. And let’s be honest here. It’s not like the Hawks are loading up on 5’9” guys. The D is gonna be huge, and the top 6 around 5’11”-6’. That’s not horrible. And I’m sure some size will be added!!!
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Post by Nikos on Jul 1, 2023 10:39:25 GMT -6
They actually had someone to side standing there. I purposely did not include him in the photo.
I could see a disgruntled Preds fan try "Pronger" it.
Actually there were 2 that showed in Preds jerseys and were walking around, seemed to be enjoying and mingling with everyone. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jul 1, 2023 10:48:43 GMT -6
I apologize if this has been posted already but I just ran into it…knew Moore was good, but jeezus, can this kid skate. His edgework is amazing. Gonna need his own thread soon. Wow. Hadn’t seen this. I can see why he was coveted by KD. Never really understood “edge work,” but now I do. Here’s hoping he continues his development as a college freshman. If so, 2024-2025 may become real interesting in Chicago. At some point today, I’m going to need to walk away from the computer but the kid’s compete level, beyond the speed, edgework, and pretty solid passing abilities, remind me of our most recent captain: www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&q=oliver+moore+highlights+nhl+draft+kings+hockey+prospect&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbxpG8-u3_AhUNAjQIHRglBiEQ0pQJegQIDBAB&biw=320&bih=527&dpr=3#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:669ffd98,vid:1gls_tCumqA. |
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Post by Nikos on Jul 1, 2023 10:49:23 GMT -6
I apologize if this has been posted already but I just ran into it…knew Moore was good, but jeezus, can this kid skate. His edgework is amazing. Gonna need his own thread soon. Has there been any report why he fell, was projected 10-15 range,. Not a big drop but just curious. Before the draft I said if Hawks got either Moore or Danielson along with Bedard, I did not care who they got the rest of draft. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 1, 2023 11:11:43 GMT -6
the brass and scouts have all said they really like the d pool, but I think completely neglecting it this draft was a poor choice, especially when those prospects take longer to develop. in regards to Dragicevic, I've been saying for a while I didn't think he was a take for the 'hawks due to his skating. as I said earlier, pretty common theme building here the past couple drafts. skating is number 1, with either high compete or a good shot being factor #2. that being said, nothing next draft should have some stronger d prospects available, so perhaps that factored into the decisions today.I don't think that's a far fetched idea. Now that they have two high level D prospects in Korchinski and Rinzel, along with several other young guys that could fill in on later pairings, it seems like the Hawks are now in a position to take another high level D prospect with one of their first round picks in the next draft. They're harder to find and don't last long. As you mentioned, maybe they were looking ahead at next years draft thinking they have a better chance of getting one. Rebuilding takes time. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2023 11:26:28 GMT -6
the brass and scouts have all said they really like the d pool, but I think completely neglecting it this draft was a poor choice, especially when those prospects take longer to develop. in regards to Dragicevic, I've been saying for a while I didn't think he was a take for the 'hawks due to his skating. as I said earlier, pretty common theme building here the past couple drafts. skating is number 1, with either high compete or a good shot being factor #2. that being said, nothing next draft should have some stronger d prospects available, so perhaps that factored into the decisions today.I don't think that's a far fetched idea. Now that they have two high level D prospects in Korchinski and Rinzel, along with several other young guys that could fill in on later pairings, it seems like the Hawks are now in a position to take another high level D prospect with one of their first round picks in the next draft. They're harder to find and don't last long. As you mentioned, maybe they were looking ahead at next years draft thinking they have a better chance of getting one. Rebuilding takes time. for sure a lot more work to be done. I don't know that I would consider Rinzel a high level prospect, though. he needs a bunch of work. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2023 11:28:27 GMT -6
I apologize if this has been posted already but I just ran into it…knew Moore was good, but jeezus, can this kid skate. His edgework is amazing. Gonna need his own thread soon. Has there been any report why he fell, was projected 10-15 range,. Not a bid drop but just curious. Before the draft I said if Hawks got either Moore or Danielson along with Bedard, I did not care who they got the rest of draft. I think there is a bit of concern regarding his upside offensively beyond his just being fast. should that not develop as hoped, he could be a great 3LC and PK1 guy if he put the work into it. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 1, 2023 12:03:02 GMT -6
I don't think that's a far fetched idea. Now that they have two high level D prospects in Korchinski and Rinzel, along with several other young guys that could fill in on later pairings, it seems like the Hawks are now in a position to take another high level D prospect with one of their first round picks in the next draft. They're harder to find and don't last long. As you mentioned, maybe they were looking ahead at next years draft thinking they have a better chance of getting one. Rebuilding takes time. for sure a lot more work to be done. I don't know that I would consider Rinzel a high level prospect, though. he needs a bunch of work. I was going by a couple of scouting sites that projected Rinzel as a possible top four dman. You are right that Rinzel needs a lot of work, so top four would be a long term projection. We'll find out more in the next couple of years when he joins the U of Minnesota. With Rinzel being a long term prospect, they really should get another top 4 type D prospect next draft, assuming things work out as the draft unfolds. Supposing Rinzel only becomes a pretty good dman but doesn't reach top four status, getting another high level type might prove to be a wise move down the road. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 1, 2023 12:22:37 GMT -6
Has there been any report why he fell, was projected 10-15 range,. Not a bid drop but just curious. Before the draft I said if Hawks got either Moore or Danielson along with Bedard, I did not care who they got the rest of draft. I think there is a bit of concern regarding his upside offensively beyond his just being fast. should that not develop as hoped, he could be a great 3LC and PK1 guy if he put the work into it. Everyone made a big deal about the top three, do you know who were Moore’s regular linemates? Here’s hoping for someone with more consistency than an Athanasiou. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 1, 2023 12:27:31 GMT -6
for sure a lot more work to be done. I don't know that I would consider Rinzel a high level prospect, though. he needs a bunch of work. I was going by a couple of scouting sites that projected Rinzel as a possible top four dman. You are right that Rinzel needs a lot of work, so top four would be a long term projection. We'll find out more in the next couple of years when he joins the U of Minnesota. With Rinzel being a long term prospect, they really should get another top 4 type D prospect next draft, assuming things work out as the draft unfolds. Supposing Rinzel only becomes a pretty good dman but doesn't reach top four status, getting another high level type might prove to be a wise move down the road. I believe it was someone who was on JayZs pod. A scout. He put up a bunch of plays by Rinzel over the course of a couple weeks worth of games. And it was the same story. Great skater, good on offence, but just atrocious in his own end. Over the 3 or 4 games, he was -5 or -6. And he was on the ice for like 4 goals for. So he was really bad vs kids his age in a weaker league. The same guy showed clips from games closer to the end of the year. And it was the same results. Next year we’ll see if he grows into a better player. If he struggles defensively again. Gotta really start wondering if he’s just a figure skater!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2023 14:55:34 GMT -6
for sure a lot more work to be done. I don't know that I would consider Rinzel a high level prospect, though. he needs a bunch of work. I was going by a couple of scouting sites that projected Rinzel as a possible top four dman. You are right that Rinzel needs a lot of work, so top four would be a long term projection. We'll find out more in the next couple of years when he joins the U of Minnesota. With Rinzel being a long term prospect, they really should get another top 4 type D prospect next draft, assuming things work out as the draft unfolds. Supposing Rinzel only becomes a pretty good dman but doesn't reach top four status, getting another high level type might prove to be a wise move down the road. he is huge and can skate like a mfer, so he has that going for him. I wonder how many years he will spend playing @ Mariucci. at least it will be NHL size, now. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2023 15:08:27 GMT -6
I think there is a bit of concern regarding his upside offensively beyond his just being fast. should that not develop as hoped, he could be a great 3LC and PK1 guy if he put the work into it. Everyone made a big deal about the top three, do you know who were Moore’s regular linemates? Here’s hoping for someone with more consistency than an Athanasiou. I swear I just read about one of them the other day... I think Danny Nelson? not nearly as good as the top line, to be sure. he produced well on a second line and is a worker. the hope is he becomes a solid 2LC, but I have visions of a faster Dave Bolland dancing in my head (if he doesn't look like a top 6 guy). |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 1, 2023 15:58:06 GMT -6
I think there is a bit of concern regarding his upside offensively beyond his just being fast. should that not develop as hoped, he could be a great 3LC and PK1 guy if he put the work into it. Everyone made a big deal about the top three, do you know who were Moore’s regular linemates? Here’s hoping for someone with more consistency than an Athanasiou. Yeah the top line had 3 great players and Moore was centering the 2nd line with much lower quality wingers and playing a shut down role, he still had 31g and 75pts. Then 25pts in 23gms in the USHL. Plus Arizona taking a dman kinda threw teams off. Very glad Moore fell to 19. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 1, 2023 18:11:37 GMT -6
Everyone made a big deal about the top three, do you know who were Moore’s regular linemates? Here’s hoping for someone with more consistency than an Athanasiou. Yeah the top line had 3 great players and Moore was centering the 2nd line with much lower quality wingers and playing a shut down role, he still had 31g and 75pts. Then 25pts in 23gms in the USHL. Plus Arizona taking a dman kinda threw teams off. Very glad Moore fell to 19. I'm very glad the loafs finally won a round and Florida bumped us up another spot. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 1, 2023 18:59:10 GMT -6
Watching some videos of Moore and his speed made me think of an old football expression about defensive backs trying to cover fast wide receivers.
"If you're even, he's leavin."
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jul 1, 2023 19:59:46 GMT -6
Watching some videos of Moore and his speed made me think of an old football expression about defensive backs trying to cover fast wide receivers. "If you're even, he's leavin." Yeah, and it's not just straight line speed - it's stop/start quickness and great edge work. I know watching highlight videos usually doesn't paint the complete picture but it looks like he can make plays using that speed - not just skate fast. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 1, 2023 21:18:48 GMT -6
Watching some videos of Moore and his speed made me think of an old football expression about defensive backs trying to cover fast wide receivers. "If you're even, he's leavin." Yeah, and it's not just straight line speed - it's stop/start quickness and great edge work. I know watching highlight videos usually doesn't paint the complete picture but it looks like he can make plays using that speed - not just skate fast. There's a vid of him with his skating coach, he said she really helped him and it showed him doing some drills and his feet are fast and nimble. He's not just a north south skater but equally as good east west. Bonus his hands can keep up. I'm sure his mom running 10 full marathons and him running since he was a kid helps with his speed and endurance. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 2, 2023 7:28:16 GMT -6
Watching some videos of Moore and his speed made me think of an old football expression about defensive backs trying to cover fast wide receivers. "If you're even, he's leavin." Yeah, and it's not just straight line speed - it's stop/start quickness and great edge work. I know watching highlight videos usually doesn't paint the complete picture but it looks like he can make plays using that speed - not just skate fast.That's a good point. I can imagine the pressure that puts on a defense trying to defend against a F that can do this. I can also imagine players that are considered great skaters with top level speed but if they have to handle the puck, it slows them down considerably. You see much the same in football. There are quite a few wide receivers that can run a great time in the 40, but while running their pass route they slow down when they try making a move. So they're slow when coming out of their breaks, which allows the coverage time to close in. Blackhawk fans have reason to pay attention to University of Minnesota this season; Moore and Rinzel will both be there this fall. Moore should be interesting to watch. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jul 2, 2023 10:35:46 GMT -6
Yeah, and it's not just straight line speed - it's stop/start quickness and great edge work. I know watching highlight videos usually doesn't paint the complete picture but it looks like he can make plays using that speed - not just skate fast.That's a good point. I can imagine the pressure that puts on a defense trying to defend against a F that can do this. I can also imagine players that are considered great skaters with top level speed but if they have to handle the puck, it slows them down considerably. You see much the same in football. There are quite a few wide receivers that can run a great time in the 40, but while running their pass route they slow down when they try making a move. So they're slow when coming out of their breaks, which allows the coverage time to close in. Blackhawk fans have reason to pay attention to University of Minnesota this season; Moore and Rinzel will both be there this fall. Moore should be interesting to watch. I saw an interview with the UMinn coach and he talked about Matt Knies turning pro means that top line from last season (Knies-Cooley-Snuggerud) has an opening and Moore may play with them - or he could center his own line. I hope he get time doing both because ultimately I'd like him to play center but it would be fun to see him on a super line similar to the Perreault-Smith-Leonard line he played behind last season at USNTDP. |
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Post by hawks27 on Jul 2, 2023 16:27:12 GMT -6
Yeah, and it's not just straight line speed - it's stop/start quickness and great edge work. I know watching highlight videos usually doesn't paint the complete picture but it looks like he can make plays using that speed - not just skate fast.That's a good point. I can imagine the pressure that puts on a defense trying to defend against a F that can do this. I can also imagine players that are considered great skaters with top level speed but if they have to handle the puck, it slows them down considerably. You see much the same in football. There are quite a few wide receivers that can run a great time in the 40, but while running their pass route they slow down when they try making a move. So they're slow when coming out of their breaks, which allows the coverage time to close in. Blackhawk fans have reason to pay attention to University of Minnesota this season; Moore and Rinzel will both be there this fall. Moore should be interesting to watch. As a life-long North Dakota hockey fan, I only hope he would be so impressive to the Blackhawks in the summer skating that they'd keep him in Chicago. He looks very good in those videos! |
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Post by acesandeights on Jul 3, 2023 8:14:54 GMT -6
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 3, 2023 10:39:04 GMT -6
One thing I’ll say. I’m not a fan of re-inventing the perfectly round wheel. But sometimes you gotta fly. The wheel is much slower. This new brand of Hawks may be unbelievably fast. The old adage, “Can’t eat what you can’t catch”. So far I see a lot of high end skill and speed. I’m finding it harder and harder not to like what’s going on. And let’s be honest here. It’s not like the Hawks are loading up on 5’9” guys. The D is gonna be huge, and the top 6 around 5’11”-6’. That’s not horrible. And I’m sure some size will be added!!! If I'm not mistaken, the teams we won the cup with were not massively huge, either. We has some big guys true enough, but the gameplan was all about puck possession--driven by guys like Kane and Keith. It's wasn't the crash 'n bang style that teams like Boston had. I do think that there is some backfilling with size, but I think it's less draft-based and more FA/Trade based. |
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Post by steamer on Jul 5, 2023 14:03:50 GMT -6
I was looking at the draft sorted by the prospect’s country. Interesting that Carolina took 5 Russians - admittedly most in later rounds - while no other team took more than 2. Does Carolina have a persuasive scout over there?
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 5, 2023 18:30:01 GMT -6
perhaps they have a committee of wishful thinkers?
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 5, 2023 18:41:54 GMT -6
I was looking at the draft sorted by the prospect’s country. Interesting that Carolina took 5 Russians - admittedly most in later rounds - while no other team took more than 2. Does Carolina have a persuasive scout over there? interesting. pretty ballsy if nothing else. kind of related and kind of unrelated, but i looked at how many russians were selected in the CHL import draft. Draft Picks by Country
Czechia – 28 (most since 34 were drafted in 2007)
Slovakia – 12
Finland – 8
Sweden – 5
Switzerland – 5
Latvia – 4
Norway – 4
Germany – 2
Slovenia – 2
Ukraine – 1
Japan – 1 (first since 2019, third all-time)
France – 1 (first since 2017, seventh all-time)
Poland – 1 (first since 2003, fifth all-time; highest selection for a Polish player at No. 15)
Russia – 1risky business these days it seems. chl.ca/article/75-players-selected-2023-chl-import-draft |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 5, 2023 22:40:46 GMT -6
I was looking at the draft sorted by the prospect’s country. Interesting that Carolina took 5 Russians - admittedly most in later rounds - while no other team took more than 2. Does Carolina have a persuasive scout over there? interesting. pretty ballsy if nothing else. kind of related and kind of unrelated, but i looked at how many russians were selected in the CHL import draft. Draft Picks by Country
Czechia – 28 (most since 34 were drafted in 2007)
Slovakia – 12
Finland – 8
Sweden – 5
Switzerland – 5
Latvia – 4
Norway – 4
Germany – 2
Slovenia – 2
Ukraine – 1
Japan – 1 (first since 2019, third all-time)
France – 1 (first since 2017, seventh all-time)
Poland – 1 (first since 2003, fifth all-time; highest selection for a Polish player at No. 15)
Russia – 1risky business these days it seems. chl.ca/article/75-players-selected-2023-chl-import-drafti think i must've messed up here. i can't find info stating the russians and belarusians were banned from the 2023 import draft but they were banned from it last year. i mean...there's no reason they wouldn't still be banned. and in 2021, the russians led all countries in the import draft with 16 players selected out of 85, and belarus had 11. so i may have been blowing smoke up your collective arses. apologies. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 6, 2023 2:46:08 GMT -6
Maybe they just banned them for the one draft?
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 6, 2023 2:55:30 GMT -6
Maybe they just banned them for the one draft? well, neither country has given any reason for them to lift the bans on them. it's still business as usual in ukraine, more or less the same as last year. anyhoo...i finally found an article confirming that both countries are still banned from this year's import draft. As was the case a year ago, Russian and Belarusian players will be ineligible for selection in the 2023 CHL Import Draft. For the 2023 CHL Import Draft, players who have been a resident in Russia or Belarus at any time over the past 24 months are ineligible to be drafted. The only exception is a Russian or Belarussian player who was previously drafted by a CHL club and subsequently deleted on or before the cut-down date in 2023.guelphstorm.com/article/2023-chl-import-draft |
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