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Post by bigbarn27 on Dec 1, 2023 22:13:53 GMT -6
We are to the game tomorrow in Loserpeg and my 10 month old granddaughter will be going to her first HAWKS game donning her Connor Bedard jersey.Hope it is a memorable first game in Manitoba for Connor.Also for the viewing pleasure of myself,my 2 daughters and son all HAWKS fans.GO HAWKS GO! if i'm not mistaken the last time a board member (phill9) went to see CB live he had a 4 point night. fingers crossed you get to experience something similar. edit: of course i've forgotten about bigbarn who has likely seen CB play live more than the rest of us here combined. Have not missed a game this year but I am not to be blamed for this team LOL |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 2, 2023 19:15:25 GMT -6
bedard's faceoff numbers dividing the season into 3 segments. on the season he's 41.1%.
first 7 games 85 draws, won 37.7%.
next 7 games 79 draws won 40.5%.
last 8 games 65 draws, won 46.2%.
i'm not at all surprised in his improvement.
edit: at the same time the team is 32nd on the season at 44.4%
first 7 games 39%.
next 7 fames 47.1%.
last 8 games 46.8%.
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 3, 2023 11:01:00 GMT -6
Perhaps, there are some good historians or statisticians out there who could answer this question:
Has any heralded rookie (Bedard) had to play his first year in the league on a worse team than the 2023/24 Hawks?
As an example, which I found on my first try, in Crosby's inaugural year (05-06), the Penguins finished 22/46/14 for 58 points. Surprisingly, Ovechkin debuted in the same season, but his Caps while finishing last in their division had 70 points.
Even more surprisingly, this comatose Chicago team is on track to be about as bad as the Pens, which means maybe we shouldn't feel so sorry for Bedard. Apparently, it may be that star rookies in the NHL have commonly found that their first year was played on a team that was dead meat, which is why they got the star rookies in the first place.
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Post by BigT on Dec 3, 2023 20:46:56 GMT -6
I’m not looking up stats. But I believe Mario Lemieux had a horrendous team his first year. He still managed 100 points. Yzerman and the Winged wheel weren’t much better in 83. Sundin in Quebec. Kovalchuk in Atlanta. There’s a bunch out there. Just have to look!!!
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Post by mvr on Dec 3, 2023 21:03:36 GMT -6
Perhaps, there are some good historians or statisticians out there who could answer this question: Has any heralded rookie (Bedard) had to play his first year in the league on a worse team than the 2023/24 Hawks? As an example, which I found on my first try, in Crosby's inaugural year (05-06), the Penguins finished 22/46/14 for 58 points. Surprisingly, Ovechkin debuted in the same season, but his Caps while finishing last in their division had 70 points. Even more surprisingly, this comatose Chicago team is on track to be about as bad as the Pens, which means maybe we shouldn't feel so sorry for Bedard. Apparently, it may be that star rookies in the NHL have commonly found that their first year was played on a team that was dead meat, which is why they got the star rookies in the first place. Alexandre Daigle arrived in the NHL as the most hyped prospect of his generation. Many teams tanked attempting to get him.... 1992-93 Victoriaville Tigres QMJHL 53 45 92 137 1993-94 Ottawa Senators NHL 84 20 31 51 40 The Senators at the time were abysmal - perhaps with even less talent than the current Hawks. Playing in that environment over an extended period ruined Daigle. Alexei Yashin scored 79 in his rookie year, which was the same year Daigle joined the league. He had a better career than Daigle but also was undoubtedly soured by his experience. Some will persevere in a losing lineup, and others will get frustrated and develop poor me attitudes. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 5, 2023 9:05:31 GMT -6
We are to the game tomorrow in Loserpeg and my 10 month old granddaughter will be going to her first HAWKS game donning her Connor Bedard jersey.Hope it is a memorable first game in Manitoba for Connor.Also for the viewing pleasure of myself,my 2 daughters and son all HAWKS fans.GO HAWKS GO! if i'm not mistaken the last time a board member (phill9) went to see CB live he had a 4 point night. fingers crossed you get to experience something similar. edit: of course i've forgotten about bigbarn who has likely seen CB play live more than the rest of us here combined. Hoping that for us as well since we'll see him on the 14th against the Kraken. |
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Post by steamer on Dec 5, 2023 9:21:58 GMT -6
As GT would term this - another meaningless statistic: Bedard and Eichel both have 11 goals. Eichel plays for a slightly better team than does Connor.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Dec 5, 2023 9:56:23 GMT -6
if i'm not mistaken the last time a board member (phill9) went to see CB live he had a 4 point night. fingers crossed you get to experience something similar. edit: of course i've forgotten about bigbarn who has likely seen CB play live more than the rest of us here combined. Hoping that for us as well since we'll see him on the 14th against the Kraken. Please share about rink and atmosphere! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 5, 2023 11:28:13 GMT -6
Perhaps, there are some good historians or statisticians out there who could answer this question: Has any heralded rookie (Bedard) had to play his first year in the league on a worse team than the 2023/24 Hawks? As an example, which I found on my first try, in Crosby's inaugural year (05-06), the Penguins finished 22/46/14 for 58 points. Surprisingly, Ovechkin debuted in the same season, but his Caps while finishing last in their division had 70 points. Even more surprisingly, this comatose Chicago team is on track to be about as bad as the Pens, which means maybe we shouldn't feel so sorry for Bedard. Apparently, it may be that star rookies in the NHL have commonly found that their first year was played on a team that was dead meat, which is why they got the star rookies in the first place. Alexandre Daigle arrived in the NHL as the most hyped prospect of his generation. Many teams tanked attempting to get him.... 1992-93 Victoriaville Tigres QMJHL 53 45 92 137 1993-94 Ottawa Senators NHL 84 20 31 51 40 The Senators at the time were abysmal - perhaps with even less talent than the current Hawks. Playing in that environment over an extended period ruined Daigle. Alexei Yashin scored 79 in his rookie year, which was the same year Daigle joined the league. He had a better career than Daigle but also was undoubtedly soured by his experience. Some will persevere in a losing lineup, and others will get frustrated and develop poor me attitudes. Thanks for that. I looked up the 93-94 Senators. What a miserable bunch!!!!!!!!!! They finished with 37 points that year. The 23-24 Hawks will certainly not end up that bad, so Bedard has got nothing to be upset about. On the other hand, I appreciate your point about the difficulty of perservering in a losing environment. At least Bedard got some taste of that on his Regina team. They weren't as bad as the Hawks, but they certainly weren't the cream of the WHL. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 5, 2023 19:37:17 GMT -6
Hoping that for us as well since we'll see him on the 14th against the Kraken. Please share about rink and atmosphere! Before the renovations, the arena was shit. It was like that Brooklyn arena with bad and obstructed views where they tried to cram hockey into a basketball only stadium. I heard that they completely gutted the place and redid it. So, I'm hoping for a good surprise. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 5, 2023 20:44:40 GMT -6
looking at bedard's shift length.
on november 8th his average shift length was 1:00 and it was discussed on the team that his shift lengths were too long.
since november 8th until now his shift length is actually now 1:01 so i guess luke just said "screw it, we need the offense" and let him be.
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Post by BigT on Dec 5, 2023 22:10:41 GMT -6
looking at bedard's shift length. on november 8th his average shift length was 1:00 and it was discussed on the team that his shift lengths were too long. since november 8th until now his shift length is actually now 1:01 so i guess luke just said "screw it, we need the offense" and let him be. Sometimes as a coach, when you’ve got nothing else, you let the kid loose. They said he had a 1:30 shift in OT. Good. Play the hell out of him!!! Edit: The coach has nothing else!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 5, 2023 23:50:27 GMT -6
looking at bedard's shift length. on november 8th his average shift length was 1:00 and it was discussed on the team that his shift lengths were too long. since november 8th until now his shift length is actually now 1:01 so i guess luke just said "screw it, we need the offense" and let him be. I don't understand why Bedards with 2 smaller wingers, Kurashev is the "big" guy at 6' 190lbs. Replace one of them with Dickinson, Katchouk, Raddysh, or Entwistle. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 6, 2023 15:53:57 GMT -6
looking at bedard's shift length. on november 8th his average shift length was 1:00 and it was discussed on the team that his shift lengths were too long. since november 8th until now his shift length is actually now 1:01 so i guess luke just said "screw it, we need the offense" and let him be. I don't understand why Bedards with 2 smaller wingers, Kurashev is the "big" guy at 6' 190lbs. Replace one of them with Dickinson, Katchouk, Raddysh, or Entwistle. Honestly, if I was LR I'd be doing something similar. Whoever plays the best gets to play with Bedard. If you're scoring or able to set guys up, you get to play with him. Dickenson most recently comes to mind as someone who should. As BigT said: they got nothing else so why not see who sticks. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 11, 2023 5:55:44 GMT -6
looking at bedard's shift length. on november 8th his average shift length was 1:00 and it was discussed on the team that his shift lengths were too long. since november 8th until now his shift length is actually now 1:01 so i guess luke just said "screw it, we need the offense" and let him be. I don't understand why Bedards with 2 smaller wingers, Kurashev is the "big" guy at 6' 190lbs. Replace one of them with Dickinson, Katchouk, Raddysh, or Entwistle. I've said it before and I'll say it again, put a bigger guy like Dickinson with Bedard. He's a former first rounder and he's in his prime and scoring. |
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Post by steamer on Dec 23, 2023 17:18:12 GMT -6
Just asking a question - do centers have pre-arranged assignments to fit their style of play? Toews used to dig for the puck in the offensive zone and then would come back fairly deep into the defensive zone - rather than hang out near the blue line. Bedard does hang near the blue line and of course he’s a huge threat if they can spring him. Kane is a winger and he too used to hang out near the blue line. Just curious.
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Post by BigT on Dec 24, 2023 1:35:13 GMT -6
Just asking a question - do centers have pre-arranged assignments to fit their style of play? Toews used to dig for the puck in the offensive zone and then would come back fairly deep into the defensive zone - rather than hang out near the blue line. Bedard does hang near the blue line and of course he’s a huge threat if they can spring him. Kane is a winger and he too used to hang out near the blue line. Just curious. So here is what I was taught. Not saying it’s what is done now. Toews played 3/4 of the ice. Didn’t play too deep in the offensive zone unless he had support. Fortunately for Toews he had Hossa. Which gave him the support and the ability to crush the opponent. With that being said Toews ( Quenneville) was playing “low and slow”. Which means he would circle down in his zone and curl in front of his tendy. And could either take off or make an outlet pass. Anyways. Hawks got something special in Bedard. That Michigan goal tonight just shows that. Good for him. He’s exactly what the league needs!!! |
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Post by steamer on Dec 24, 2023 14:14:39 GMT -6
Frankly I don’t care about “Michigan” goals. Spend less time on stuff like that and more learning defense. If he has the stamina for a 90 second shift, then play a 45 second shift and help out in the D zone. Don’t mean to sound negative on CB who is clearly very talented but he’s gotta learn a few things yet.
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Post by BigT on Dec 24, 2023 14:44:04 GMT -6
Frankly I don’t care about “Michigan” goals. Spend less time on stuff like that and more learning defense. If he has the stamina for a 90 second shift, then play a 45 second shift and help out in the D zone. Don’t mean to sound negative on CB who is clearly very talented but he’s gotta learn a few things yet. He’s probably not gonna be the best defensive forward. I’m sure he’ll take it serious. Fortunately, I think the game is gonna go high powered offense. It already is going that way. D men really don’t play much D anymore. They’re almost a 4th forward and don’t clear the front of the net!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 24, 2023 19:07:03 GMT -6
i'm still not the world's biggest fan of the michigan but i couldn't be happier it happened to be jordan binnington who experienced the wrath of connor bedard's "chin music".
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Dec 24, 2023 20:18:50 GMT -6
Frankly I don’t care about “Michigan” goals. Spend less time on stuff like that and more learning defense. If he has the stamina for a 90 second shift, then play a 45 second shift and help out in the D zone. Don’t mean to sound negative on CB who is clearly very talented but he’s gotta learn a few things yet. I wish that I would see Bedard score more clutch goals; when the Hawks are behind. I think though that he's quite young and, perhaps, his stamina is not there, which is why just about all of his goals were scored in the fist period. His ice time should probably be reduced a little. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 26, 2023 11:35:19 GMT -6
Frankly I don’t care about “Michigan” goals. Spend less time on stuff like that and more learning defense. If he has the stamina for a 90 second shift, then play a 45 second shift and help out in the D zone. Don’t mean to sound negative on CB who is clearly very talented but he’s gotta learn a few things yet. He’s probably not gonna be the best defensive forward. I’m sure he’ll take it serious. Fortunately, I think the game is gonna go high powered offense. It already is going that way. D men really don’t play much D anymore. They’re almost a 4th forward and don’t clear the front of the net!!! Phillips does, but he's the only one. We wish Vlassic would but as long as he continues to use the reach and wrest the puck away from the opposition, then good. With respect to Bedard, I think he needs to be thought of as more like a Kane on the ice, not Toews. He'll likely never win a Selke. We just hope he develops enough D awareness to not kill the team in the backend. His main power is as an O-driver. He's not a 2-way guy. A Hossa-type would complement him to hell and back, but I don't think we have one anywhere near ready, yet. The best we can hope for now is someone who can set up and finish, and someone else a bit more D-biased, but even that is a pipe dream. Very few players are good in every zone, especially at a very high level. I don't think we should expect that from Bedard. Defense 101, sure. But not Selke-level D. He should keep contributing on the O. |
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Post by Nikos on Dec 26, 2023 12:05:17 GMT -6
He’s probably not gonna be the best defensive forward. I’m sure he’ll take it serious. Fortunately, I think the game is gonna go high powered offense. It already is going that way. D men really don’t play much D anymore. They’re almost a 4th forward and don’t clear the front of the net!!! Phillips does, but he's the only one. We wish Vlassic would but as long as he continues to use the reach and wrest the puck away from the opposition, then good. With respect to Bedard, I think he needs to be thought of as more like a Kane on the ice, not Toews. He'll likely never win a Selke. We just hope he develops enough D awareness to not kill the team in the backend. His main power is as an O-driver. He's not a 2-way guy. A Hossa-type would complement him to hell and back, but I don't think we have one anywhere near ready, yet. The best we can hope for now is someone who can set up and finish, and someone else a bit more D-biased, but even that is a pipe dream. Very few players are good in every zone, especially at a very high level. I don't think we should expect that from Bedard. Defense 101, sure. But not Selke-level D. He should keep contributing on the O. Sidney Crosby has never won a Selke but over time has gotten better in the d zone and expect Bedard to improve as well. Once the team is able to upgrade the talent on his line they will have the puck more and control the possession so Bedard will spend less time in his own zone. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 26, 2023 12:33:48 GMT -6
Phillips does, but he's the only one. We wish Vlassic would but as long as he continues to use the reach and wrest the puck away from the opposition, then good. With respect to Bedard, I think he needs to be thought of as more like a Kane on the ice, not Toews. He'll likely never win a Selke. We just hope he develops enough D awareness to not kill the team in the backend. His main power is as an O-driver. He's not a 2-way guy. A Hossa-type would complement him to hell and back, but I don't think we have one anywhere near ready, yet. The best we can hope for now is someone who can set up and finish, and someone else a bit more D-biased, but even that is a pipe dream. Very few players are good in every zone, especially at a very high level. I don't think we should expect that from Bedard. Defense 101, sure. But not Selke-level D. He should keep contributing on the O. Sidney Crosby has never won a Selke but over time has gotten better in the d zone and expect Bedard to improve as well. Once the team is able to upgrade the talent on his line they will have the puck more and control the possession so Bedard will spend less time in his own zone. Kane got better in the D-zone as his career when on...except for 2018 when he and the rest of the skaters mailed it in that year. Kane was also with guys who were more-or-less defensively responsible so he could work the O-side of the puck more. I don't think of Crosby nor of Kane as 2-way forwards--no matter how much their D has imporved over the course of their careers. I do think Bedard will improve. The flipside is that he's only a teenager, and much like Kane was his rookie year we do have to expect that he will be nowhere near sound defensively--that's just not his game. We can't hold him to a Toews D-play standard. If he's not at Team D 101 level then yeah, ride him for it, but if the kid finds new and creative ways to drive the O then let him do it. There are 18 other guys out their who play questionable defense as well--some of whom are paid to play good D. |
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Post by 2old4this on Dec 26, 2023 14:31:15 GMT -6
He’s probably not gonna be the best defensive forward. I’m sure he’ll take it serious. Fortunately, I think the game is gonna go high powered offense. It already is going that way. D men really don’t play much D anymore. They’re almost a 4th forward and don’t clear the front of the net!!! Phillips does, but he's the only one. We wish Vlassic would but as long as he continues to use the reach and wrest the puck away from the opposition, then good. With respect to Bedard, I think he needs to be thought of as more like a Kane on the ice, not Toews. He'll likely never win a Selke. We just hope he develops enough D awareness to not kill the team in the backend. His main power is as an O-driver. He's not a 2-way guy. A Hossa-type would complement him to hell and back, but I don't think we have one anywhere near ready, yet. The best we can hope for now is someone who can set up and finish, and someone else a bit more D-biased, but even that is a pipe dream. Very few players are good in every zone, especially at a very high level. I don't think we should expect that from Bedard. Defense 101, sure. But not Selke-level D. He should keep contributing on the O. Pickle has faith in the coaching staff: whatever they ask of him, he will give it his best shot. I think the sky is the limit with him. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 26, 2023 23:13:03 GMT -6
Phillips does, but he's the only one. We wish Vlassic would but as long as he continues to use the reach and wrest the puck away from the opposition, then good. With respect to Bedard, I think he needs to be thought of as more like a Kane on the ice, not Toews. He'll likely never win a Selke. We just hope he develops enough D awareness to not kill the team in the backend. His main power is as an O-driver. He's not a 2-way guy. A Hossa-type would complement him to hell and back, but I don't think we have one anywhere near ready, yet. The best we can hope for now is someone who can set up and finish, and someone else a bit more D-biased, but even that is a pipe dream. Very few players are good in every zone, especially at a very high level. I don't think we should expect that from Bedard. Defense 101, sure. But not Selke-level D. He should keep contributing on the O. Pickle has faith in the coaching staff: whatever they ask of him, he will give it his best shot. I think the sky is the limit with him. I really like what I see from him. More physicality would be nice, but as long as he keeps dispossessing the opposition I think he'll fit in nicely. Then, to go to the point tincup makes, the O needs to get in the position to actually get a pass outletted to them rather than keep us hemmed in. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 31, 2023 7:52:34 GMT -6
Does Connor make the all-star game or are the Hawks sending Jones?
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Post by mikeveisor on Dec 31, 2023 9:44:28 GMT -6
Does Connor make the all-star game or are the Hawks sending Jones? He HAS to be a shoe-in for the game. He would be among the league scoring leaders if there was talent around him and the league knows that. Plus, how does the league NOT promote it's next "great one"? |
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Post by steamer on Dec 31, 2023 10:05:07 GMT -6
Looking at it from just level of play (which I admit is not how the league looks at it) I think Bedard and maybe Mrazek are the only two whose play is noteworthy from an overall league perspective. While I am not as negative on Seth as some are, I don’t think his play has been of “All-Star” caliber.
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Post by tincup on Dec 31, 2023 10:08:21 GMT -6
Does Connor make the all-star game or are the Hawks sending Jones? Has to be Bedard. Only makes sense from both a talent and marketing sense. Seth being hurt for some time is a nice fortuitous out. |
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