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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 31, 2023 10:13:27 GMT -6
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Post by 2old4this on Dec 31, 2023 12:10:47 GMT -6
Humorous.
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Post by vadarx on Dec 31, 2023 13:27:42 GMT -6
Does Connor make the all-star game or are the Hawks sending Jones? I'm pretty sure Jones has gotten enough mandatory all star selections playing for shitty teams already. players like him are the reason all-star game appearances don't mean a damn thing anymore. and that isn't an indictment of his play, just the "every team must participate" rule. 98 is a lead pipe lock for an all star trip. the league will mandate it, if only for the eyeballs. plus, who doesn't want see him do some of those skill competitions? |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jan 3, 2024 9:19:56 GMT -6
Does Connor make the all-star game or are the Hawks sending Jones? I'm pretty sure Jones has gotten enough mandatory all star selections playing for shitty teams already. players like him are the reason all-star game appearances don't mean a damn thing anymore. and that isn't an indictment of his play, just the "every team must participate" rule. 98 is a lead pipe lock for an all star trip. the league will mandate it, if only for the eyeballs. plus, who doesn't want see him do some of those skill competitions? I don't mind the "one from each team" purely from the marketing standpoint, and that's all the All-star game is. And really, have the all-star games ever meant anything other than being a spectacle mostly for the kids? You hit the nail on the head--skills competitions. Who wouldn't want to see Bedard go head-to-head with Crosby, Kane, and McDavid--among others? I think at some point every team had to send someone that might not have made it otherwise. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jan 4, 2024 19:56:03 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 4, 2024 22:50:34 GMT -6
Youngest player in NHL history to play in an Allstar game. |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 5, 2024 0:47:17 GMT -6
congrats to the newest NHL all-star!
also, said all-star is -9 in his last four games...
gonna need to work on that.
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Post by hsbob on Jan 5, 2024 9:27:13 GMT -6
congrats to the newest NHL all-star! also, said all-star is -9 in his last four games... gonna need to work on that. His offensive prowess,as far as abilities and instincts is as elite as it gets for any forward through his first half a season and at an age where they get even more elite and something that can't be taught. Defense and face-offs can be taught. I think it's only natural for some dejection to set-in at times with all the losing and it seems that leads to less than stellar defensive assignments and back-checking when it does IMO. I'm not sure if we can ask a lot more from an 18yro than figuring into 33 of the team's 88 goals so far,but better two-way play and FO performance will be required from an elite #1 center at some point. Less dejection would go a LONG way. This is the major reason I'd like to see the team become more competitive next year,nothing drastic,just a better linemate for the kid and hopefully an improved PP. Connor Bedard has 1 PP goal through 38 games........that's gotta be a bit dejecting too. Bedard's a student of the game with a level of dedication to match but low team expectations and sub-standard support can lead to even more dejection and should come to end fairly soon for that reason. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jan 5, 2024 9:27:49 GMT -6
congrats to the newest NHL all-star! also, said all-star is -9 in his last four games... gonna need to work on that. Given that +/- is a line/pairing stat, he's only partially responsible for it. He does have responsibility, don't get me wrong, but not 100% full responsibility. He needs to work on his defensive game but it's not like he's being sheltered. I don't think we can look at him as a Toews-type who is expected to carry the D's carcasses from time-to-time. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 5, 2024 10:14:56 GMT -6
congrats to the newest NHL all-star! also, said all-star is -9 in his last four games... gonna need to work on that. Given that +/- is a line/pairing stat, he's only partially responsible for it. He does have responsibility, don't get me wrong, but not 100% full responsibility. He needs to work on his defensive game but it's not like he's being sheltered. I don't think we can look at him as a Toews-type who is expected to carry the D's carcasses from time-to-time. He’s playing against the world’s best players at 18. Like you said. He’s not being sheltered away from the top players. He’s going head to head against them. The good news is he’s doing quite well with this task. I’d have to think it only gets easier for him as he ages. Well deserved All Star ⭐️ nod for him. It also helps the league market their new gold mine!!! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jan 5, 2024 12:06:48 GMT -6
congrats to the newest NHL all-star! also, said all-star is -9 in his last four games... gonna need to work on that. His offensive prowess,as far as abilities and instincts is as elite as it gets for any forward through his first half a season and at an age where they get even more elite and something that can't be taught. Defense and face-offs can be taught. I think it's only natural for some dejection to set-in at times with all the losing and it seems that leads to less than stellar defensive assignments and back-checking when it does IMO. I'm not sure if we can ask a lot more from an 18yro than figuring into 33 of the team's 88 goals so far,but better two-way play and FO performance will be required from an elite #1 center at some point. Less dejection would go a LONG way. This is the major reason I'd like to see the team become more competitive next year,nothing drastic,just a better linemate for the kid and hopefully an improved PP. Connor Bedard has 1 PP goal through 38 games........that's gotta be a bit dejecting too. Bedard's a student of the game with a level of dedication to match but low team expectations and sub-standard support can lead to even more dejection and should come to end fairly soon for that reason. I totally agree that it would be good to see a better linemate for the kid, as you say. However, I do see a problem ahead for the Hawks with their wealth of recent draftees. It might be somewhat difficult to get the best evaluations of these players before deciding to trade some of them for established players. They have so little experience at the AHL/NHL/college levels that it might be difficult to get a true read on how good they will be. They could easily trade away a future NHL star in an attempt to get a vet with some NHL experience for the immediate future. On the other hand, they might trade away a prospect, or two, who will be a bust in return for a vet that will provide some serious help immediately. In any case, it won't be an easy call for the GM to make when it comes to decide who to trade away in return for some Bedard/team help. |
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Post by steamer on Jan 5, 2024 13:27:20 GMT -6
His offensive prowess,as far as abilities and instincts is as elite as it gets for any forward through his first half a season and at an age where they get even more elite and something that can't be taught. Defense and face-offs can be taught. I think it's only natural for some dejection to set-in at times with all the losing and it seems that leads to less than stellar defensive assignments and back-checking when it does IMO. I'm not sure if we can ask a lot more from an 18yro than figuring into 33 of the team's 88 goals so far,but better two-way play and FO performance will be required from an elite #1 center at some point. Less dejection would go a LONG way. This is the major reason I'd like to see the team become more competitive next year,nothing drastic,just a better linemate for the kid and hopefully an improved PP. Connor Bedard has 1 PP goal through 38 games........that's gotta be a bit dejecting too. Bedard's a student of the game with a level of dedication to match but low team expectations and sub-standard support can lead to even more dejection and should come to end fairly soon for that reason. I totally agree that it would be good to see a better linemate for the kid, as you say. However, I do see a problem ahead for the Hawks with their wealth of recent draftees. It might be somewhat difficult to get the best evaluations of these players before deciding to trade some of them for established players. They have so little experience at the AHL/NHL/college levels that it might be difficult to get a true read on how good they will be. They could easily trade away a future NHL star in an attempt to get a vet with some NHL experience for the immediate future. On the other hand, they might trade away a prospect, or two, who will be a bust in return for a vet that will provide some serious help immediately. In any case, it won't be an easy call for the GM to make when it comes to decide who to trade away in return for some Bedard/team help. Agreed. I would love to see some help for Bedard but don’t want to overpay in prospects to do so. By the end of the season there will be a little more visibility but even then, as you say, there will be some difficult decisions on how much to “pay” for veterans. And they will likely have to pay a premium for some of them to come to a team that may be a couple of years away from being competitive. |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 5, 2024 14:50:56 GMT -6
for sure he needs better linemates and certainly he will improve over time. just saying, if he is going to be a center, he is going to have to be a little better in his own end. I expect he will get there, same as Crosby did.
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Post by LordKOTL on Jan 5, 2024 15:32:35 GMT -6
for sure he needs better linemates and certainly he will improve over time. just saying, if he is going to be a center, he is going to have to be a little better in his own end. I expect he will get there, same as Crosby did. I think he will. He's making a lot of good decisions, and some bad ones. A Hossa-type would be an ideal linemate, but that goes without saying. But, as mentioned, there are 17 other skaters on the ice who are just as culpable for the bad defensive play, and unless their name is Vlassic, a lot of them are in the "needs to be better at defense" boat that Bedard is in. The difference is that he's 18, and aside from him and Korch, the rest of the team can buy beer in the US. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jan 5, 2024 17:39:58 GMT -6
What I've noticed is that Bedard tends to overestimate his strength. For instance, in the game against the Rangers, he got pushed down pretty easily, which led to a breakout and goal. He needs to calibrate himself to playing against much stronger men than in the Juniors. He's attempting things that would have worked for him in the past -- and will work again in a couple of years -- but for now he needs to stay away from attempting things like that.
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Post by 2old4this on Jan 5, 2024 17:55:19 GMT -6
congrats to the newest NHL all-star! also, said all-star is -9 in his last four games... gonna need to work on that. How do you suggest he manage that....bludgeon his line mates? |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jan 5, 2024 18:09:06 GMT -6
What I've noticed is that Bedard tends to overestimate his strength. For instance, in the game against the Rangers, he got pushed down pretty easily, which led to a breakout and goal. He needs to calibrate himself to playing against much stronger men than in the Juniors. He's attempting things that would have worked for him in the past -- and will work again in a couple of years -- but for now he needs to stay away from attempting things like that. Great observation. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jan 5, 2024 18:09:50 GMT -6
congrats to the newest NHL all-star! also, said all-star is -9 in his last four games... gonna need to work on that. How do you suggest he manage that....bludgeon his line mates? "The team doesn't hate to lose enough." |
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Post by BigT on Jan 5, 2024 18:14:18 GMT -6
What I've noticed is that Bedard tends to overestimate his strength. For instance, in the game against the Rangers, he got pushed down pretty easily, which led to a breakout and goal. He needs to calibrate himself to playing against much stronger men than in the Juniors. He's attempting things that would have worked for him in the past -- and will work again in a couple of years -- but for now he needs to stay away from attempting things like that. While this is true. It’ll come with age and experience. He’ll be fine. He’s the youngest to ever reach the All Star game. Very impressive!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jan 5, 2024 19:12:13 GMT -6
His offensive prowess,as far as abilities and instincts is as elite as it gets for any forward through his first half a season and at an age where they get even more elite and something that can't be taught. Defense and face-offs can be taught. I think it's only natural for some dejection to set-in at times with all the losing and it seems that leads to less than stellar defensive assignments and back-checking when it does IMO. I'm not sure if we can ask a lot more from an 18yro than figuring into 33 of the team's 88 goals so far,but better two-way play and FO performance will be required from an elite #1 center at some point. Less dejection would go a LONG way. This is the major reason I'd like to see the team become more competitive next year,nothing drastic,just a better linemate for the kid and hopefully an improved PP. Connor Bedard has 1 PP goal through 38 games........that's gotta be a bit dejecting too. Bedard's a student of the game with a level of dedication to match but low team expectations and sub-standard support can lead to even more dejection and should come to end fairly soon for that reason. I totally agree that it would be good to see a better linemate for the kid, as you say. However, I do see a problem ahead for the Hawks with their wealth of recent draftees. It might be somewhat difficult to get the best evaluations of these players before deciding to trade some of them for established players. They have so little experience at the AHL/NHL/college levels that it might be difficult to get a true read on how good they will be. They could easily trade away a future NHL star in an attempt to get a vet with some NHL experience for the immediate future. On the other hand, they might trade away a prospect, or two, who will be a bust in return for a vet that will provide some serious help immediately. In any case, it won't be an easy call for the GM to make when it comes to decide who to trade away in return for some Bedard/team help. Developing and more importantly,assessing prospects is the true difference maker when it comes to succuss vs failure,and all teams are faced with the decisions you mentioned. The biggest advantage that the Hawks have,as I point-out daily,is the lack of need to trade almost any prospect at this point. There'll be no pressure to reach the PO's for another few years and even the less patient fan like myself only wants to see reasonable improvement over those years. That improvement can easily come from just reaching the cap-floor or God forbid a bit more and a few of the surplus picks due in 25&26 could snag a real good young player......no prospects required. |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 5, 2024 20:16:56 GMT -6
congrats to the newest NHL all-star! also, said all-star is -9 in his last four games... gonna need to work on that. How do you suggest he manage that....bludgeon his line mates? his linemates aren't the only ones who need to get better in their own end... |
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Post by 2old4this on Jan 6, 2024 0:44:01 GMT -6
How do you suggest he manage that....bludgeon his line mates? his linemates aren't the only ones who need to get better in their own end... True dat. Everyone on the team needs to improve their defense. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jan 6, 2024 1:46:42 GMT -6
I'll just put this here on this site because unlike most other Hawks' sites I post at - I respect this community and feel secure the nuance of the statement I'm making won't be lost in the shuffle of the words being read.
Brendan Smith is a predator and his brand of predatory hockey should have been outlawed years ago and the fact he still has a job in the NHL tells me all I need to know the league does not care about player safety and the players association is hypocritically duplicitous.
OKAY - so that was pretty much to the point - not very nuanced. And that point is Brendan Smith is one of many players who play over the line and hurt people. I realize many will give the boilerplate rebuttal of "has to learn to keep his head up and not put himself in vulnerable position" and that is very true and not something I'm debating because it's a physical game and players get hurt, especially when they put themselves in vulnerable positions. But the point I'm making and the point not being addressed by the league or by NHLPA is the predatory players who take advantage of situations to purposely inflict pain and hurt players. Intentionality is rendered irrelevant by repeated incidents and Brendan Smith has a long list of predatory incidents.
Do I think anything will be done to weed out the Brendan Smiths of the league - I doubt it.
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Post by mikeveisor on Jan 6, 2024 7:42:29 GMT -6
Youngest player in NHL history to play in an Allstar game. After last night, wonder if he is the youngest player in NHL history to have his chicklets rummaged with. Oh to have Bob Probert back in uniform last night...I'd settle for Ben Eager, TBH. Clean hit, though, but for the seeming targeting of the head. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 6, 2024 8:34:30 GMT -6
Youngest player in NHL history to play in an Allstar game. After last night, wonder if he is the youngest player in NHL history to have his chicklets rummaged with. Oh to have Bob Probert back in uniform last night...I'd settle for Ben Eager, TBH. Clean hit, though, but for the seeming targeting of the head. I'd say it was a legal hit at best but a guy like smith has been around long enough to know how rules get bent. |
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Post by steamer on Jan 6, 2024 9:40:35 GMT -6
Youngest player in NHL history to play in an Allstar game. After last night, wonder if he is the youngest player in NHL history to have his chicklets rummaged with. Oh to have Bob Probert back in uniform last night...I'd settle for Ben Eager, TBH. Clean hit, though, but for the seeming targeting of the head. I was thinking the same thing last night - would love to have had Probert beat the living shit out of him. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jan 6, 2024 10:05:44 GMT -6
After last night, wonder if he is the youngest player in NHL history to have his chicklets rummaged with. Oh to have Bob Probert back in uniform last night...I'd settle for Ben Eager, TBH. Clean hit, though, but for the seeming targeting of the head. I was thinking the same thing last night - would love to have had Probert beat the living shit out of him. ![]() sports.yahoo.com/blackhawks-phenom-connor-bedard-exits-game-after-taking-huge-hit-vs-devils-031842984.htmlLOOKS like the teeth are still where nature put them. If CB were a few inches taller, that skate blade across Smith's jaw would've seemed very karma-like. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 6, 2024 10:57:45 GMT -6
If he was a few inches taller he wouldn't have got the shoulder to the face. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jan 6, 2024 11:52:46 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 6, 2024 12:46:34 GMT -6
Probably miss a couple games then wear shield or grill. |
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