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Post by bigbarn27 on May 9, 2023 20:00:39 GMT -6
Bedard can't play in the AHL - it's either back to JRs or with the Hawks. Why can't he play in the AHL? Is that a temporary or permanent inability to play in the AHL? Awhile back, there was all this talk in this forum about not rushing the young guys past the development stage. So, is Bedard that good that he needs no development and will simply play in the NHL from day one? He has to go back to Juniors just and agreement with the kids playing up in juniors just like Kor cant go to Rockford either its either back to juniors or NHL |
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Post by Nikos on May 9, 2023 20:01:59 GMT -6
Remember last year if the Hawks first pick was in the top 2 we would keep it and Columbus would own our 2023 first unprotected I believe. At that time the top 3 projected players in the 2023 NHL Draft — Connor Bedard, Adam Fantilli and Matvei Michkov — would likely go No. 1 overall if they were in the 2022 draft. Good thing we did not win the lottery last year. Just goes to show luck and fate all play some role in this process.
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Post by BigT on May 9, 2023 20:08:38 GMT -6
Another plus with landing Bedard is now it does not rush or put pressure on Nazar to be the #1 or #2 center of the future. He can now be slotted even as a #3 if we can get that bigger center. Boy, how quickly can one player make you team so much better depth wise and overall balance in the lineup. I know KD said he is only one piece, but man he is a big one piece. C.Dach could be that big center, he was just over 50% at faceoffs this season and plays a smart 2way game, and he has good hands. Canada trusted him in a shutdown role and he had a two points in 4gms. Maybe move Nazar and Bedard to the wing, Bedard played the wing for Canada and did ok lol Bring back AA as the 2C, that'll be 6'4" and 6'2" centers for the top6. Or maybe Bedard thrives at C, we'll see in training camp. I think Bedard will definitely be Center. He needs to roam. But he definitely will not be F1. Maybe F2 for support. But I see him utilizing his offensive skills. I’m not saying he’ll be absolved from defensive coverages. Just he’ll have more freedom to roam as he has the ability to bring everyone out of their seats. Basically they’ll sell you the whole seat, all you’ll need is the edge! I don’t believe Dach would ever play with Bedard. I’m not sure Reichel is a good fit. I’m sure they’ll try Reichel there. But I believe they’ll get a couple vets on one or two year deals to help him through. Dach could be a solid 3rd liner that could play in the top 6 if needed. I do not believe he’s anywhere near a top centerman. Maybe he plays wing? That may work out better. But I’m sure Dach will be in the AHL next year. So we’ll see how that goes. Actually. I think Rockford may be fun to watch next year. I’m sure Allan, EDM and Dach will all be there. And probably a few more. But the future looks an actual future for a change. Been almost 10 years since we’ve said that!!! |
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Post by Nikos on May 9, 2023 20:11:04 GMT -6
Bedard can't play in the AHL - it's either back to JRs or with the Hawks. Why can't he play in the AHL? Is that a temporary or permanent inability to play in the AHL? Awhile back, there was all this talk in this forum about not rushing the young guys past the development stage. So, is Bedard that good that he needs no development and will simply play in the NHL from day one? McDavid played for the Oilers from day one after he recovered from his fractured clavicle and played 45 games that year with 48 points. Yes he is that good and will play in NHL from day one. When you are mentioned with the names of Crosby, Mario and McDavid that is high praise and all three never saw the AHL. |
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Post by BigT on May 9, 2023 20:13:39 GMT -6
Bedard can't play in the AHL - it's either back to JRs or with the Hawks. Why can't he play in the AHL? Is that a temporary or permanent inability to play in the AHL? Awhile back, there was all this talk in this forum about not rushing the young guys past the development stage. So, is Bedard that good that he needs no development and will simply play in the NHL from day one? McDavid played for the Oilers from day one after he recovered from his fractured clavicle and played 45 games that year with 48 points. Theres a rule called the Jason Spezza rule (unofficial name). The CHL signed with the NHL. Unless a player has 4 years of CHL service, or is 20 years old, they cannot play in the AHL. They have to be returned to Jrs. So it’s either Bedard plays in the NHL or goes back to Jrs in the CHL. It’s a deal where it helps keep the CHL competitive. Sometimes the rule sucks. But for the most part, it’s a good rule and keeps Jr hockey going good and keeps kids out of the professional ranks when they don’t belong mentally or physically!!! |
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Post by BigT on May 9, 2023 20:19:02 GMT -6
Remember last year if the Hawks first pick was in the top 2 we would keep it and Columbus would own our 2023 first unprotected I believe. At that time the top 3 projected players in the 2023 NHL Draft — Connor Bedard, Adam Fantilli and Matvei Michkov — would likely go No. 1 overall if they were in the 2022 draft. Good thing we did not win the lottery last year. Just goes to show luck and fate all play some role in this process. I believe the Hawks could still have given it to them. But who really does that? So it’d be a tough sell to Hawks fans if they gave it away. On a side note. I could really see Tampa missing the playoffs next year. I think they’ll get as it ton of people injuries and missing out. So the Hawks could in fact get a good pick from them. And if it’s in the top ten, it gets pushed to the next year. And if Tampa falls that much, they’ll probably give the Hawks a top 10 pick in 2025!!! |
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Post by Nikos on May 9, 2023 20:33:54 GMT -6
Remember last year if the Hawks first pick was in the top 2 we would keep it and Columbus would own our 2023 first unprotected I believe. At that time the top 3 projected players in the 2023 NHL Draft — Connor Bedard, Adam Fantilli and Matvei Michkov — would likely go No. 1 overall if they were in the 2022 draft. Good thing we did not win the lottery last year. Just goes to show luck and fate all play some role in this process. I believe the Hawks could still have given it to them. But who really does that? So it’d be a tough sell to Hawks fans if they gave it away. On a side note. I could really see Tampa missing the playoffs next year. I think they’ll get as it ton of people injuries and missing out. So the Hawks could in fact get a good pick from them. And if it’s in the top ten, it gets pushed to the next year. And if Tampa falls that much, they’ll probably give the Hawks a top 10 pick in 2025!!! With Sabres and Senators arrows pointing up and you figure the Wings will be better, right there three teams not in playoffs this year could push the Bolts out. The Bruins, Rangers and Leafs all with veteran line ups do not figure to go into any type of tear down rebuild, although I am not sure what the Leafs will do once they are eliminated this year. The Devils will be even better, the Canes are always good and Tkachuk has changed the Panthers image figure to be in the playoff next year, so yes Bolts could have a tough time earning spot. They will have to pay Hagel in 2024-2025 as his cap friendly deal has only one more year and core is another year older. |
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Post by vadarx on May 9, 2023 21:43:46 GMT -6
Bedard can't play in the AHL - it's either back to JRs or with the Hawks. Why can't he play in the AHL? Is that a temporary or permanent inability to play in the AHL? Awhile back, there was all this talk in this forum about not rushing the young guys past the development stage. So, is Bedard that good that he needs no development and will simply play in the NHL from day one? yes. going back to juniors would be a waste. he sounds like a worker, maybe it takes him a season or two like Jack Hughes, he just has to get used to the league. I'm guessing he's ready to roll by the first puck drop, season 2. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 9, 2023 22:04:25 GMT -6
Bedard can't play in the AHL - it's either back to JRs or with the Hawks. Why can't he play in the AHL? Is that a temporary or permanent inability to play in the AHL? Awhile back, there was all this talk in this forum about not rushing the young guys past the development stage. So, is Bedard that good that he needs no development and will simply play in the NHL from day one? McDavid played for the Oilers from day one after he recovered from his fractured clavicle and played 45 games that year with 48 points. There's an agreement between the NHL and CHL (OHL/QMJHL/WHL) that JR players can't play in the AHL until they are no longer eligible to play in the CHL due to age, which is 20. They can play in the NHL after they're drafted at 18, but if they don't make the NHL team they must be returned to their JR team. Euro and college players aren't part of that agreement so they can play play in the NHL before the age of 20. I think the reason was so NHL teams wouldn't rob the CHL for players that wouldn't be playing on their NHL teams. I think the only exception is if a 18/19 year old player is a conditioning stint. |
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Post by Tater on May 10, 2023 3:18:40 GMT -6
Actually. I think Rockford may be fun to watch next year. I’m sure Allan, EDM and Dach will all be there. And probably a few more. But the future looks an actual future for a change. Been almost 10 years since we’ve said that!!!
Hopefully Rockford's record of grooming players into one's that should be called up improves. It's definitely a concern.
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Post by jacksalmon on May 10, 2023 8:10:48 GMT -6
Thanks guys for the explanation of why Bedard could not play in the AHL.
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Post by Nikos on May 10, 2023 9:21:26 GMT -6
Why can't he play in the AHL? Is that a temporary or permanent inability to play in the AHL? Awhile back, there was all this talk in this forum about not rushing the young guys past the development stage. So, is Bedard that good that he needs no development and will simply play in the NHL from day one? yes. going back to juniors would be a waste. he sounds like a worker, maybe it takes him a season or two like Jack Hughes, he just has to get used to the league. I'm guessing he's ready to roll by the first puck drop, season 2. I think the Jack Hughes comp is a good one, although his shot and release are elite and much better than Hughes IMO. He will play right away and to your point will adjust to the league and will even better in the second half of the first season and then most likely take off in season 2. This kid by his own words is very competitive, lives and breathes hockey 24/7. Let's remember Patrick Kane struggled in the first part of his initial season scoring goals, yet you say glimpses of the type of player he eventually became and finished strong and won the Calder. |
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Post by hsbob on May 10, 2023 9:22:56 GMT -6
Actually. I think Rockford may be fun to watch next year. I’m sure Allan, EDM and Dach will all be there. And probably a few more. But the future looks an actual future for a change. Been almost 10 years since we’ve said that!!!
Hopefully Rockford's record of grooming players into one's that should be called up improves. It's definitely a concern.
This is a good conversation to have due to the amount of prospects in the same age-range that'll be in the system at the same time soon. It could be a challenge for any system and I'll try to approach it fairly and without the rhetoric....LOL! I think we'd agree the young GM has never been tasked with putting together an NHL/top-down development system before,but whether I like him or not,he is a smart guy and he has years of familiarity with the current system. Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't most if not all of the current FO and development staff already been replaced by the new GM? This is still where I believe a director or president of hockey opps would benefit everyone,especially the young GM,it would allow the GM to fully concentrate on drafts,trades,FA's,RFA's and his roster in general. How much experienced,quality hockey insight can the young GM rely on from his superiors Danny and Jaime? One associate GM,Norm Maciver is an exprienced,quality hockey guy IMO and a good hire,or should I say re-hire. The other associate GM can show em how to hit behind the runner I guess!LOL! Gotta have a little rhetoric. As it is,it looks like the new development staff IS in place.... ontapsportsnet.com/blackhawks/chicago-blackhawks-mark-eaton-meghan-hunter-assistant-general-managers-front-officeAssoc GM's Maciver and 'Hammerin' Hank' Greenberg were hired after that article. It sounds like they'll be an awful lot on Asst General Manager,Player Development Mark Eaton's shoulders but he's the last guy's hire so who knows. |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 10, 2023 10:14:50 GMT -6
Hopefully Rockford's record of grooming players into one's that should be called up improves. It's definitely a concern.
This is a good conversation to have due to the amount of prospects in the same age-range that'll be in the system at the same time soon. It could be a challenge for any system and I'll try to approach it fairly and without the rhetoric....LOL! I think we'd agree the young GM has never been tasked with putting together an NHL/top-down development system before,but whether I like him or not,he is a smart guy and he has years of familiarity with the current system. Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't most if not all of the current FO and development staff already been replaced by the new GM? This is still where I believe a director or president of hockey opps would benefit everyone,especially the young GM,it would allow the GM to fully concentrate on drafts,trades,FA's,RFA's and his roster in general. How much experienced,quality hockey insight can the young GM rely on from his superiors Danny and Jaime?One associate GM,Norm Maciver is an exprienced,quality hockey guy IMO and a good hire,or should I say re-hire. The other associate GM can show em how to hit behind the runner I guess!LOL! Gotta have a little rhetoric. As it is,it looks like the new development staff IS in place.... ontapsportsnet.com/blackhawks/chicago-blackhawks-mark-eaton-meghan-hunter-assistant-general-managers-front-officeAssoc GM's Maciver and 'Hammerin' Hank' Greenberg were hired after that article. It sounds like they'll be an awful lot on Asst General Manager,Player Development Mark Eaton's shoulders but he's the last guy's hire so who knows. That was my original argument from the beginning when the FO shakeup occured. Jaime replaced Jay Blunk in the business aspect. But no one has replaced McDonuts as Hockey President. I would have offered Eddie O the moon for that hire. But I don't think he would take it. He has too many irons in the fire with other interests, Horses, announcing, etc.... Danny is CEO, replacing rocky, Hence why KD has 2 associates and 2 assistant GM's. GM'ing by committee. |
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Post by hsbob on May 10, 2023 11:28:56 GMT -6
This is a good conversation to have due to the amount of prospects in the same age-range that'll be in the system at the same time soon. It could be a challenge for any system and I'll try to approach it fairly and without the rhetoric....LOL! I think we'd agree the young GM has never been tasked with putting together an NHL/top-down development system before,but whether I like him or not,he is a smart guy and he has years of familiarity with the current system. Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't most if not all of the current FO and development staff already been replaced by the new GM? This is still where I believe a director or president of hockey opps would benefit everyone,especially the young GM,it would allow the GM to fully concentrate on drafts,trades,FA's,RFA's and his roster in general. How much experienced,quality hockey insight can the young GM rely on from his superiors Danny and Jaime?One associate GM,Norm Maciver is an exprienced,quality hockey guy IMO and a good hire,or should I say re-hire. The other associate GM can show em how to hit behind the runner I guess!LOL! Gotta have a little rhetoric. As it is,it looks like the new development staff IS in place.... ontapsportsnet.com/blackhawks/chicago-blackhawks-mark-eaton-meghan-hunter-assistant-general-managers-front-officeAssoc GM's Maciver and 'Hammerin' Hank' Greenberg were hired after that article. It sounds like they'll be an awful lot on Asst General Manager,Player Development Mark Eaton's shoulders but he's the last guy's hire so who knows. That was my original argument from the beginning when the FO shakeup occured. Jaime replaced Jay Blunk in the business aspect. But no one has replaced McDonuts as Hockey President. I would have offered Eddie O the moon for that hire. But I don't think he would take it. He has too many irons in the fire with other interests, Horses, announcing, etc.... Danny is CEO, replacing rocky, Hence why KD has 2 associates and 2 assistant GM's. GM'ing by committee. What's with the 'associate' GM title anyway? Seems like a 'new-age' position......doesn't the 'Mob' have 'associates' too or does 'The Family' just have 'buffers'?LOL!...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EWcPlq2YIk&t=5sThis reminds me of a question you might know the answer to T-man. Wasn't Rocky chairman and I believe McD held the CEO title and Blunk held the VP of business opps title as you mentioned but was there ever a director or president of hockey opps until Danny promoted DUMBASS to the position shortly before the scandal broke? OOPSIE-DAISY!!! I know I don't have to tell you as well as you know this Org BUT DUMBASS is still the President of Hockey opps/GM w/o the scandal and we all know it,Danny loved the F'n guy. Let THAT sink-in because THAT's the level of hockey insight possessed by the young GM's superiors.....period! I don't know what Edzo does if he's offered total control of the team but there's no way in HELL Danny's giving that to anybody IMO. |
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2023 11:49:01 GMT -6
Here’s what I believe is happening with the development side. I’m not suggesting that they’re giving up on the last regimes guys, as I’m sure EDM, Allan and Dach will all be in Rockford soon enough. I think that they’re obviously making room for a lot of these guys to come in. It’s not that they don’t care about a lot of the guys, but they’ve seen enough and heard enough to know if they’re replaceable.
Everyone has to remember maybe 20% make the NHL of drafted players. The same rule applies to the Hawks. That’s why getting Bedard is amazing because we’re positive he’ll play in the NHL and more than likely excel. I would bet everything I own that on the defensive side not many make it to the NHL. EDM, Allan, Korchinski, Vlasic, Regula, Kaiser, Rinzel, Phillips, Galvas, Harding, Crevier. I think 3 maybe 4 will make it to the NHL. And of those 3-4 some may be with other teams. As trades will happen as the depth grows.
As long as the coach knows his role isn’t to just win, but to develop and pump these kids up. The Hawks will be ok!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on May 10, 2023 11:53:13 GMT -6
That was my original argument from the beginning when the FO shakeup occured. Jaime replaced Jay Blunk in the business aspect. But no one has replaced McDonuts as Hockey President. I would have offered Eddie O the moon for that hire. But I don't think he would take it. He has too many irons in the fire with other interests, Horses, announcing, etc.... Danny is CEO, replacing rocky, Hence why KD has 2 associates and 2 assistant GM's. GM'ing by committee. What's with the 'associate' GM title anyway? Seems like a 'new-age' position......doesn't the 'Mob' have 'associates' too or does 'The Family' just have 'buffers'?LOL!...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EWcPlq2YIk&t=5sThis reminds me of a question you might know the answer to T-man. Wasn't Rocky chairman and I believe McD held the CEO title and Blunk held the VP of business opps title as you mentioned but was there ever a director or president of hockey opps until Danny promoted DUMBASS to the position shortly before the scandal broke? OOPSIE-DAISY!!! I know I don't have to tell you as well as you know this Org BUT DUMBASS is still the President of Hockey opps/GM w/o the scandal and we all know it,Danny loved the F'n guy. Let THAT sink-in because THAT's the level of hockey insight possessed by the young GM's superiors.....period! I don't know what Edzo does if he's offered total control of the team but there's no way in HELL Danny's giving that to anybody IMO. Associates has always been used in business. ALA law firms like Dewey, Cheatum, Howe and ASS. Like where I worked the company was the owners name and ASS., I was an ASSociate. I should have screen shot back then the FO position titles. Memory sux now. |
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Post by steamer on May 10, 2023 16:54:54 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2023 17:35:55 GMT -6
Funny thing. I seen an interview with Craig Button yesterday (if I can find it I’ll post it). Button said he seen Kane down in Mexico in Cabo. I believe it was last summer when they did the remake of the WJC in Edmonton. Anyways Kane was asking Button if the kid was any good. Button told Kane “well, he reminds me of you”. I feel Bedard has a higher offensive ceiling than Kane. But Kane just had the “it” factor. He always was there when you needed him. That’s so hard to find. Look at the Leaves. Kane will be one of the best all time. I won’t predict a 17 year old child. But once he’s 18 and drafted. It’s on!!! |
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2023 18:38:11 GMT -6
couple thoughts/queries...
how likely is it that the 'hawks are sans a captain for a couple seasons now with them having an eye on Bedard for the C at some point down the road?
how many pages will this thread reach by the time his career is over?
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Post by galaxytrash on May 10, 2023 18:50:55 GMT -6
couple thoughts/queries... how likely is it that the 'hawks are sans a captain for a couple seasons now with them having an eye on Bedard for the C at some point down the road? how many pages will this thread reach by the time his career is over? i think it was already mentioned here that it wouldn't be a surprise if (out of respect to jonny) that the team go with just assistants for a period of time. makes even more sense to do this with the possible heir apparent waiting in the wings. perhaps he gets the captaincy when he signs his first big contract? or perhaps i'm getting a bit ahead of myself... |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 10, 2023 19:09:10 GMT -6
The Patrick Kane thread is at 5 pages after 2yrs, Bedard's at 3 and he hasn't been drafted yet.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 10, 2023 19:16:08 GMT -6
The Patrick Kane thread is at 5 pages after 2yrs, Bedard's at 3 and he hasn't been drafted yet. kane likely has a big lead among hawk players in mentions on these boards, but for some reason his own thread never caught fire. hell, he never even got his own thread until about 17 months after these boards were created. |
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2023 19:18:41 GMT -6
I’ve got a bunch of pissed off leaves fans messaging me about Bedard pulling a Lindros. But every article they send says the opposite. There has been no inclination of anything of the sort.
I think there’s a lot of sore anus’s out there because the Hawks got it!!!
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Post by shooter61 on May 10, 2023 20:26:25 GMT -6
we better not screw around too long, or in 3 years he might say the hell with it, and move on, I still think we should build from the draft, or pick up a few prospects for taking on salary, But I hope management has dropped the tank mode, and honestly tries to make this team better
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Post by steamer on May 10, 2023 20:45:09 GMT -6
I’ve got a bunch of pissed off leaves fans messaging me about Bedard pulling a Lindros. But every article they send says the opposite. There has been no inclination of anything of the sort. I think there’s a lot of sore anus’s out there because the Hawks got it!!! I hope there’s no inclination - don’t even want to go there! |
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2023 20:59:05 GMT -6
we better not screw around too long, or in 3 years he might say the hell with it, and move on, I still think we should build from the draft, or pick up a few prospects for taking on salary, But I hope management has dropped the tank mode, and honestly tries to make this team better he won't be able to, he'll be a rfa then... |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 11, 2023 0:52:49 GMT -6
on zawaski's podcast, they had the regina pats play by play guy on their show and were asking him all about connor bedard.
i was really...i mean really happy to hear this guy go on and on (and on) what a humble, sincere and overall nice and good person connor bedard was. nothing but good things said.
it starts at 35:30 in and ends about 54 minutes, although you don't need to hear it all to get the gist of it.
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Post by Tater on May 11, 2023 1:18:49 GMT -6
Really great to hear stuff like that ^^^^.
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Post by vadarx on May 11, 2023 1:22:01 GMT -6
I’ve got a bunch of pissed off leaves fans messaging me about Bedard pulling a Lindros. But every article they send says the opposite. There has been no inclination of anything of the sort. I think there’s a lot of sore anus’s out there because the Hawks got it!!! they're fucking joking, right? cuz the loafs didn't TOTALLY tank to get Matthews... |
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