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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 22, 2023 21:06:57 GMT -6
Luke said post game corey perry was a healthy scratch.
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Post by mikeveisor on Nov 24, 2023 5:39:02 GMT -6
2 different authors online allude to an imminent trade as the basis of the “organizational” decision. Given the abruptness of pulling CP off the ice after the morning skate, and no reports of any carousing issues like Lucic, this seems more likely than I first considered it. If that is the case, let’s hope we convert that late-late round pick we traded for CP into additional assets, future and present.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 24, 2023 8:20:42 GMT -6
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Post by bigbarn27 on Nov 24, 2023 9:07:45 GMT -6
strange. the last practice before the jacket's game, he was seen signing autographs for a bunch of kids and now this. many out there speculating it was something said or done off ice. that makes sense because on ice he has his moments, but he's tied for 3rd in scoring on this squad and generally his play has been good. i caught luke's post game presser on the radio and when asked about it he gave the "organizational decision" comment and it seemed like he couldn't wait to get on to another topic. As I was told many times at the start of KDs rein. We will always be transparent. Wow |
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Post by ukhawk on Nov 24, 2023 10:36:44 GMT -6
strange. the last practice before the jacket's game, he was seen signing autographs for a bunch of kids and now this. many out there speculating it was something said or done off ice. that makes sense because on ice he has his moments, but he's tied for 3rd in scoring on this squad and generally his play has been good. i caught luke's post game presser on the radio and when asked about it he gave the "organizational decision" comment and it seemed like he couldn't wait to get on to another topic. As I was told many times at the start of KDs rein. We will always be transparent. Wow Possibly Perry has asked the org to stay quiet, if a personal issue. |
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Post by tincup on Nov 24, 2023 10:47:10 GMT -6
Plot thickens…
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Post by mikeveisor on Nov 24, 2023 11:11:50 GMT -6
When “Arnab Mondal” is on the NHL story byline as author, you know there’s nuggets of intelligence. Like AI authored stuff. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 24, 2023 14:55:06 GMT -6
If Perry's absence is a private family matter, the Hawks could not have handled the situation in a worse way.
Everyone is speculating about it - including the national reporters on TSN this afternoon There would be nothing for them to discuss if the team said Perry was taking a personal leave.
Management's secretive approach has set up these conversations.
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 24, 2023 21:07:01 GMT -6
If Perry's absence is a private family matter, the Hawks could not have handled the situation in a worse way. Everyone is speculating about it - including the national reporters on TSN this afternoon There would be nothing for them to discuss if the team said Perry was taking a personal leave. Management's secretive approach has set up these conversations. Handled poorly, yes, just about the same as the speculations. Here is another one “Darren Dreger was on TSN Radio 1050 and was asked about why he thinks Perry has been a healthy scratch. From his understanding, there is no player misconduct, the reports Dreger has is that Perry could have missed a practice or slept in and missed a team meeting.” |
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Post by phill9 on Nov 25, 2023 11:13:47 GMT -6
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Post by Hockey is great on Nov 25, 2023 11:26:19 GMT -6
Perry Attachments:
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Post by hsbob on Nov 25, 2023 12:25:51 GMT -6
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Post by mvr on Nov 25, 2023 13:27:03 GMT -6
From the Hawks: Davidson said the decision to hold out Perry is "coming from the organization's end" and "that's all I'm able to provide."
From the player's agent: "Corey Perry has stepped away from the Chicago Blackhawks to attend to personal matters," Pat Morris of Newport Sports Management told Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet. "Corey and his family appreciate privacy at this time."
These two statements do not align. One side is misrepresenting the situation.
Either the Hawks sent Perry home (an upcoming trade, a discipline issue), or Perry "stepped away" (a personal matter). It can't be both.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Nov 25, 2023 13:41:21 GMT -6
From the Hawks: Davidson said the decision to hold out Perry is "coming from the organization's end" and "that's all I'm able to provide." From the player's agent: "Corey Perry has stepped away from the Chicago Blackhawks to attend to personal matters," Pat Morris of Newport Sports Management told Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet. "Corey and his family appreciate privacy at this time." These two statements do not align. One side is misrepresenting the situation. Either the Hawks sent Perry home (an upcoming trade, a discipline issue), or Perry "stepped away" (a personal matter). It can't be both. Oh, I don't know. I don't think that the two statements are completely orthogonal. Personal issue could be a substance abuse issue, possibly within his family, and the organization decided that he couldn't keep his mind on hockey -- or something along these lines. That's too bad, because he was playing pretty well. |
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Post by squishy24 on Nov 25, 2023 15:13:25 GMT -6
From the Hawks: Davidson said the decision to hold out Perry is "coming from the organization's end" and "that's all I'm able to provide." From the player's agent: "Corey Perry has stepped away from the Chicago Blackhawks to attend to personal matters," Pat Morris of Newport Sports Management told Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet. "Corey and his family appreciate privacy at this time." These two statements do not align. One side is misrepresenting the situation. Either the Hawks sent Perry home (an upcoming trade, a discipline issue), or Perry "stepped away" (a personal matter). It can't be both. Oh, I don't know. I don't think that the two statements are completely orthogonal. Personal issue could be a substance abuse issue, possibly within his family, and the organization decided that he couldn't keep his mind on hockey -- or something along these lines. That's too bad, because he was playing pretty well. Maybe it is a personal matter and Perry requested it be quiet. But the org handled poorly by saying its an organizational decision to further direct the attention to them instead of Perry. But it backfired and now the agent made it worse Also, personal matter can also include he might have a problem with the team, (as much as im hoping its not) |
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Post by mvr on Nov 25, 2023 17:44:45 GMT -6
From the Hawks: Davidson said the decision to hold out Perry is "coming from the organization's end" and "that's all I'm able to provide." From the player's agent: "Corey Perry has stepped away from the Chicago Blackhawks to attend to personal matters," Pat Morris of Newport Sports Management told Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet. "Corey and his family appreciate privacy at this time." These two statements do not align. One side is misrepresenting the situation. Either the Hawks sent Perry home (an upcoming trade, a discipline issue), or Perry "stepped away" (a personal matter). It can't be both. Oh, I don't know. I don't think that the two statements are completely orthogonal. Personal issue could be a substance abuse issue, possibly within his family, and the organization decided that he couldn't keep his mind on hockey -- or something along these lines. That's too bad, because he was playing pretty well. I do get what you are saying here. This interpretation would suggest the Hawks commanded Perry to step away "to attend to personal matters." If so, the agent is deliberately playing pubic relations word games to muddy the storyline and suggest the player had agency in the decision. Either Perry made the decision (to play or sit), or the Hawks told him to stay away (the "organizational decision.") In any case, we are no closer to getting to the truth. It could be a trade, a disciplinary issue or a personal matter. To my mind, the Hawks have badly misplayed this one. If I am Perry, I would be enraged that my agent had to make a public statement to clear the air. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Nov 25, 2023 22:54:29 GMT -6
Oh, I don't know. I don't think that the two statements are completely orthogonal. Personal issue could be a substance abuse issue, possibly within his family, and the organization decided that he couldn't keep his mind on hockey -- or something along these lines. That's too bad, because he was playing pretty well. I do get what you are saying here. This interpretation would suggest the Hawks commanded Perry to step away "to attend to personal matters." If so, the agent is deliberately playing pubic relations word games to muddy the storyline and suggest the player had agency in the decision. Either Perry made the decision (to play or sit), or the Hawks told him to stay away (the "organizational decision.") In any case, we are no closer to getting to the truth. It could be a trade, a disciplinary issue or a personal matter. To my mind, the Hawks have badly misplayed this one. If I am Perry, I would be enraged that my agent had to make a public statement to clear the air. Yes, that's my take on it. I don't think that it was Perry's decision. I suppose that the Hawks could've been more transparent. However, if this involves some private information, outside the scope of an injury, the management had to be tight-lipped. It is a bit of a mystery. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 26, 2023 4:10:02 GMT -6
I don’t have any other info besides what we’ve all heard. However, it’s more than likely a personal issue that Perry was going to play through. The organization decided it was best for him to step away. And they made the decision for him. I don’t think there’s much more than that. I hope everything is alright and he returns back ready to rock. It would be a weird shitty way for his career to end!!!
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Post by mvr on Nov 26, 2023 6:37:47 GMT -6
I do get what you are saying here. This interpretation would suggest the Hawks commanded Perry to step away "to attend to personal matters." If so, the agent is deliberately playing pubic relations word games to muddy the storyline and suggest the player had agency in the decision. Either Perry made the decision (to play or sit), or the Hawks told him to stay away (the "organizational decision.") In any case, we are no closer to getting to the truth. It could be a trade, a disciplinary issue or a personal matter. To my mind, the Hawks have badly misplayed this one. If I am Perry, I would be enraged that my agent had to make a public statement to clear the air. Yes, that's my take on it. I don't think that it was Perry's decision. I suppose that the Hawks could've been more transparent. However, if this involves some private information, outside the scope of an injury, the management had to be tight-lipped. It is a bit of a mystery. If this is the situation, Hawks management should have simply said that Perry is stepping away from the team for an indefinite period to deal with a personal situation. There was no need for Davidson and the coach to add the detail that it was an "organizational" decision (even if it was). We all know what this added phrase implies. A "private" matter is a private matter. There is no need for Hawk management to imply anything. The agent - acting likely on the player's wishes - felt it necessary to speak out. We all know why. Clearly, damage has been done. If I am Perry, I feel badly betrayed, and I want out. The Hawks obviously won't be able to move the contract before the trade deadline. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 26, 2023 11:43:49 GMT -6
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Post by mikeveisor on Nov 26, 2023 12:58:45 GMT -6
The speculation of trade that CP may not want any part of, hence, "go home, cool down" - that sounds reasonable esp. given that there was probably some family upheaval in being traded at the draft vs. choosing where he/family wanted to go in free agency just days later. But why wouldn't someone want to go play in Edmonton if that's the issue...?  |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 26, 2023 15:43:25 GMT -6
The speculation of trade that CP may not want any part of, hence, "go home, cool down" - that sounds reasonable esp. given that there was probably some family upheaval in being traded at the draft vs. choosing where he/family wanted to go in free agency just days later. But why wouldn't someone want to go play in Edmonton if that's the issue...? He probably wants to play in Tampa, compared to Edmonton, I'd be upset as well. Sure there's Drai and McDavid but Edmonton isn't a good place to live. It's called Deadmonton for a reason, and it's not because of the employment rate. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 26, 2023 17:05:35 GMT -6
You don't sign a 38-year-old veteran and then attempt to trade him a month into the season. You certainly don't send him home if he resists your plan.
Perry has been in the league a long time. He deserves some respect given status in the game. This can't really be the reason here...can it?
Our suspicions are heightened somewhat now that Mrazek has sat for two consecutive games..... If the Oilers and Hawks are talking, it would make sense to protect the players involved in any trade.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Nov 26, 2023 18:53:50 GMT -6
So is it safe to say Perry will not be back with the hawks??? This is a win!
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Post by Hockey is great on Nov 26, 2023 19:35:47 GMT -6
Just a weird situation
Hopefully Corey is alright
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Post by nighbor on Nov 27, 2023 6:56:59 GMT -6
Oh, I don't know. I don't think that the two statements are completely orthogonal. Personal issue could be a substance abuse issue, possibly within his family, and the organization decided that he couldn't keep his mind on hockey -- or something along these lines. That's too bad, because he was playing pretty well. I do get what you are saying here. This interpretation would suggest the Hawks commanded Perry to step away "to attend to personal matters." If so, the agent is deliberately playing pubic relations word games to muddy the storyline and suggest the player had agency in the decision. Either Perry made the decision (to play or sit), or the Hawks told him to stay away (the "organizational decision.") In any case, we are no closer to getting to the truth. It could be a trade, a disciplinary issue or a personal matter. To my mind, the Hawks have badly misplayed this one. If I am Perry, I would be enraged that my agent had to make a public statement to clear the air. The organization was demonized for not caring about Beach and when they show empity towards Perry they are demonized again. The organization is doing what they feel is in his best interest and the best thing we can do is to let it play itself out. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 27, 2023 7:20:41 GMT -6
I do get what you are saying here. This interpretation would suggest the Hawks commanded Perry to step away "to attend to personal matters." If so, the agent is deliberately playing pubic relations word games to muddy the storyline and suggest the player had agency in the decision. Either Perry made the decision (to play or sit), or the Hawks told him to stay away (the "organizational decision.") In any case, we are no closer to getting to the truth. It could be a trade, a disciplinary issue or a personal matter. To my mind, the Hawks have badly misplayed this one. If I am Perry, I would be enraged that my agent had to make a public statement to clear the air. The organization was demonized for not caring about Beach and when they show empity towards Perry they are demonized again. The organization is doing what they feel is in his best interest and the best thing we can do is to let it play itself out. Hawks management did not show "empathy" to the player. They set him up. Davidson deliberately told the press that Perry was sent home because of an "organizational" decision. This is not acting in "the best interest" of the player. Perry's agent felt the need to send a text in response one hour after the press conference. |
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Post by nighbor on Nov 27, 2023 7:30:14 GMT -6
You don't sign a 38-year-old veteran and then attempt to trade him a month into the season. You certainly don't send him home if he resists your plan. Perry has been in the league a long time. He deserves some respect given status in the game. This can't really be the reason here...can it? Our suspicions are heightened somewhat now that Mrazek has sat for two consecutive games..... If the Oilers and Hawks are talking, it would make sense to protect the players involved in any trade. Mrazek sat out only one scheduled start (St. Louis). The backup after several substandard games finally came up with a good performance against Toronto so he was rewarded with another start. |
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Post by nighbor on Nov 27, 2023 9:04:40 GMT -6
The organization was demonized for not caring about Beach and when they show empity towards Perry they are demonized again. The organization is doing what they feel is in his best interest and the best thing we can do is to let it play itself out. Hawks management did not show "empathy" to the player. They set him up. Davidson deliberately told the press that Perry was sent home because of an "organizational" decision. This is not acting in "the best interest" of the player. Perry's agent felt the need to send a text in response one hour after the press conference. Davidson knew Perry was having family issues and knowing that being a consummate professional Perry would continue to play regardless. Davidson took it upon himself to intervine and that is empathy. Nowhere in the interview did Davidson blame Perry for the situation. I belive that is acting "in the best interest" of the player. Maybe his agent was embarassed that he didn't do anything sooner to diffuse the issue. Why didn't he hold his own press conferrence when the story first broke or better yet arrange a joint press conference with Davidson for total transparency. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Nov 27, 2023 9:52:32 GMT -6
Hawks management did not show "empathy" to the player. They set him up. Davidson deliberately told the press that Perry was sent home because of an "organizational" decision. This is not acting in "the best interest" of the player. Perry's agent felt the need to send a text in response one hour after the press conference. Davidson knew Perry was having family issues and knowing that being a consummate professional Perry would continue to play regardless. Davidson took it upon himself to intervine and that is empathy. Nowhere in the interview did Davidson blame Perry for the situation. I belive that is acting "in the best interest" of the player. Maybe his agent was embarassed that he didn't do anything sooner to diffuse the issue. Why didn't he hold his own press conferrence when the story first broke or better yet arrange a joint press conference with Davidson for total transparency. So Perry was having a family issue but did not want to leave the team he thought this team really needed him? So Davidson took it upon himself to parent him and told him to go home and let Luke clean up the fall out.... Got it |
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