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Post by hsbob on Nov 27, 2023 10:08:05 GMT -6
I think it goes without saying that any Org. would get a lot of 'cover' from the media and fans by simply saying 'personal issue' and so would the player. We don't know what's going-on yet but the Org. still refuses to use the term 'personal issue' like the player's agent did,insisting to stay with the 'organizational decision' and following-up with nothing further.
The young GM HAS to know just saying 'personal issue(s)' would have kept the media,fans AND questions at bay as it should,and the player's camp obviously would have gone along but the Org. still refuse to use the term for some reason.
I'm sorry but "organizational decision" begs the questions being asked and not adding 'anything further' is hard on the HC and the players IMO. Corey Perry was brought-in to mentor the kids and he seemed to have bonded with Bedard and the rest of the 'room' as well......he was also playing well and he was paid well for it. Acquiring the player and then extending him for as much as he made in his last four years combined was also an 'organizational decision' I wasn't crazy about but the guy was doing everything expected of him up until last Tuesday,when he was seen staying after practice to work with Bedard.
It was also an 'organizational decision' that deemed Taylor Hall and Corey Perry better mentors for the young players than Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews would have been.......Taylor Hall and Corey Perry didn't make Thanksgiving for 10M bucks. Injuries happen to every team and they happen more frequently to 32yro players.
If Corey Perry is facing a health or family type of 'personal issue'......I digress. That's all the Org. has to say.
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Post by Nikos on Nov 27, 2023 11:44:19 GMT -6
I think it goes without saying that any Org. would get a lot of 'cover' from the media and fans by simply saying 'personal issue' and so would the player. We don't know what's going-on yet but the Org. still refuses to use the term 'personal issue' like the player's agent did,insisting to stay with the 'organizational decision' and following-up with nothing further. The young GM HAS to know just saying 'personal issue(s)' would have kept the media,fans AND questions at bay as it should,and the player's camp obviously would have gone along but the Org. still refuse to use the term for some reason. I'm sorry but "organizational decision" begs the questions being asked and not adding 'anything further' is hard on the HC and the players IMO. Corey Perry was brought-in to mentor the kids and he seemed to have bonded with Bedard and the rest of the 'room' as well......he was also playing well and he was paid well for it. Acquiring the player and then extending him for as much as he made in his last four years combined was also an 'organizational decision' I wasn't crazy about but the guy was doing everything expected of him up until last Tuesday,when he was seen staying after practice to work with Bedard. It was also an 'organizational decision' that deemed Taylor Hall and Corey Perry better mentors for the young players than Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews would have been.......Taylor Hall and Corey Perry didn't make Thanksgiving for 10M bucks. Injuries happen to every team and they happen more frequently to 32yro players. If Corey Perry is facing a health or family type of 'personal issue'......I digress. That's all the Org. has to say. Well said, just say personal issue, why the organization decision? |
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Post by shooter61 on Nov 27, 2023 12:32:36 GMT -6
Is this all still speculation , or do we actually know what happened, if not, this fighting over what words were said, how they should have said, to me is pointless, till we know what the reason is. Myself, until I know the reason, won't worry about what words were used and words people think, should have been used, maybe I'm a guy with a half full glass of water, before we chastise the front office , or the player, lets wait and find out the truth ,
GO CONOR LOL
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 27, 2023 12:43:19 GMT -6
I think it goes without saying that any Org. would get a lot of 'cover' from the media and fans by simply saying 'personal issue' and so would the player. We don't know what's going-on yet but the Org. still refuses to use the term 'personal issue' like the player's agent did,insisting to stay with the 'organizational decision' and following-up with nothing further. The young GM HAS to know just saying 'personal issue(s)' would have kept the media,fans AND questions at bay as it should,and the player's camp obviously would have gone along but the Org. still refuse to use the term for some reason. I'm sorry but "organizational decision" begs the questions being asked and not adding 'anything further' is hard on the HC and the players IMO. Corey Perry was brought-in to mentor the kids and he seemed to have bonded with Bedard and the rest of the 'room' as well......he was also playing well and he was paid well for it. Acquiring the player and then extending him for as much as he made in his last four years combined was also an 'organizational decision' I wasn't crazy about but the guy was doing everything expected of him up until last Tuesday,when he was seen staying after practice to work with Bedard. It was also an 'organizational decision' that deemed Taylor Hall and Corey Perry better mentors for the young players than Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews would have been.......Taylor Hall and Corey Perry didn't make Thanksgiving for 10M bucks. Injuries happen to every team and they happen more frequently to 32yro players. If Corey Perry is facing a health or family type of 'personal issue'......I digress. That's all the Org. has to say. Toews and Kane made it clear they didn't want to be part of a full rebuild, not sure why you brought them up. And Perry must've known he would've been traded considering he only signed for a year and Chicago isn't a playoff team, yet. Sure it's a lot sooner than expected, if that's the case, but it's part of the business. But I agree, they should've said it's for personal reasons and left it at that. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 27, 2023 16:23:10 GMT -6
Now there's rumors going around that Perry slept with someone's mom on the mothers trip, some are saying it's Bedards mom.
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Post by Nikos on Nov 27, 2023 17:05:57 GMT -6
Now there's rumors going around that Perry slept with someone's mom on the mothers trip, some are saying it's Bedards mom. This is what happens (rumors) when there is lack of transparency, either fair or unfair criticism towards the team. Once you insert the organization decision rumors like this just start to fly all over the place. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 27, 2023 17:24:51 GMT -6
In all fairness, sleeping with someone’s mom on the team could easily be a “Organizational Decision” and a “Personal Issue” all in one fell swoop.
I hope this isn’t the case. I would have to think it isn’t. But when a leader is away from the team due to an organizational decision. It does leave way too many questions!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 27, 2023 19:17:23 GMT -6
In all fairness, sleeping with someone’s mom on the team could easily be a “Organizational Decision” and a “Personal Issue” all in one fell swoop. I hope this isn’t the case. I would have to think it isn’t. But when a leader is away from the team due to an organizational decision. It does leave way too many questions!!! When the agent said that the family requests privacy, to me that's a personal issue they might be going through. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Nov 27, 2023 19:37:24 GMT -6
To Quote Fells, management tripped over there own dick on this one. 2 weeks ago they came out and said Zaitsev left for personal reasons no questions about it how do you not do the same?? Now I got people asking about the beacon of hopes mom. FAIL!!!!!!!
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Post by BigT on Nov 27, 2023 19:44:54 GMT -6
In all fairness, sleeping with someone’s mom on the team could easily be a “Organizational Decision” and a “Personal Issue” all in one fell swoop. I hope this isn’t the case. I would have to think it isn’t. But when a leader is away from the team due to an organizational decision. It does leave way too many questions!!! When the agent said that the family requests privacy, to me that's a personal issue they might be going through. You’re probably right. I was more or less joking. I hope everything is alright and hopefully the rumours to go crazy. But they always do!!! |
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Post by phill9 on Nov 27, 2023 19:47:00 GMT -6
Corey Perry's mom was on the moms trip too......I just find it hard to believe Perry sleeping with Bedards mom is true.
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 27, 2023 20:14:47 GMT -6
Now there's rumors going around that Perry slept with someone's mom on the mothers trip, some are saying it's Bedards mom. That's hilarious. I wonder if the Bedard household took any disciplinary action against her, if the rumor is true. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 27, 2023 20:16:09 GMT -6
To Quote Fells, management tripped over there own dick on this one. 2 weeks ago they came out and said Zaitsev left for personal reasons no questions about it how do you not do the same?? Now I got people asking about the beacon of hopes mom. FAIL!!!!!!! That's too many dicks for me to keep track of on this story. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Nov 27, 2023 20:23:41 GMT -6
To Quote Fells, management tripped over there own dick on this one. 2 weeks ago they came out and said Zaitsev left for personal reasons no questions about it how do you not do the same?? Now I got people asking about the beacon of hopes mom. FAIL!!!!!!! If neither the team nor CP address this rumor, it's going to metastasize (sp?) in the next 24-36 hours. Paging a crisis manager...stat. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 27, 2023 20:40:13 GMT -6
i reckon this topic needs it's own thread based on the amount of chatter, so i'll try and round up all the perry posts and plunk them here.
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Post by BigT on Nov 27, 2023 20:53:23 GMT -6
Well, if Perry’s wife files for divorce anytime soon, we have our answer!!!
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Post by tincup on Nov 27, 2023 21:38:30 GMT -6
Corey Perry took his “father figure “ role too literally? I don’t believe a word of that crap. Too many keyboard idiots out there playing havoc with lives for likes.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Nov 27, 2023 22:16:58 GMT -6
Corey Perry took his “father figure “ role too literally? I don’t believe a word of that crap. Too many keyboard idiots out there playing havoc with lives for likes. Could not agree more tin but it should not have come to this. Glad they are not on national TV tomorrow. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 27, 2023 22:54:47 GMT -6
Now there's rumors going around that Perry slept with someone's mom on the mothers trip, some are saying it's Bedards mom. This is what happens (rumors) when there is lack of transparency, either fair or unfair criticism towards the team. Once you insert the organization decision rumors like this just start to fly all over the place. Perhaps management was far too transparent. If Davidson and the coach had just said that Perry needed to step away for awhile to handle a personal private issue, all conversation would have ended. Nobody would have questioned anything... How many times have sports organizations spoonfed the press with a similar message? Instead, Hawk management either deliberately or irresponsibly set this snowball in motion. I think this situation might get ugly. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 27, 2023 23:31:43 GMT -6
Corey Perry took his “father figure “ role too literally? I don’t believe a word of that crap. Too many keyboard idiots out there playing havoc with lives for likes. I can't stand rumors, unless it's about trades or signings, but these rumors can disrupt families. Not sure what site reported it but they said they heard it from a former player, again, it's all just speculation. Hopefully it's resolved soon. |
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Post by Hockey is great on Nov 27, 2023 23:42:42 GMT -6
Twitter rumors is just crap
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Post by BigT on Nov 28, 2023 6:19:15 GMT -6
This is what happens (rumors) when there is lack of transparency, either fair or unfair criticism towards the team. Once you insert the organization decision rumors like this just start to fly all over the place. Perhaps management was far too transparent. If Davidson and the coach had just said that Perry needed to step away for awhile to handle a personal private issue, all conversation would have ended. Nobody would have questioned anything... How many times have sports organizations spoonfed the press with a similar message? Instead, Hawk management either deliberately or irresponsibly set this snowball in motion. I think this situation might get ugly. Maybe I’m looking way too far into this? But it almost seemed like the org wanted it to seem bad? They left many questions out there when it could have been as simple as “Corey Perry has a personal issue to attend to”. It seems stupid to take the approach they did, it’s like they’re pissed with him. They also used the term “healthy scratch” many years times and that he was being held out of practice. So it almost seems like a punishment from the organization. And I think most are looking at it that way until they clarify this!!! |
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Post by mikeveisor on Nov 28, 2023 6:48:03 GMT -6
If one follows Roumeliotis on X and scrolls the responses to his “tweet,” and assuming there is no truth to this thing, seems that CP’s agent, and CP himself, need to step in to end this. Man up. If there is truth, I really hope that CB has some thick skin to weather all the scumbag bile that’s going to be coming his way especially when the team is on the road. My STL Blows pal has been messaging me up on this since 10p last night. Foligno’s and the organization’s jobs will have just gotten so much more challenging.
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Post by mvr on Nov 28, 2023 7:03:37 GMT -6
Perhaps management was far too transparent. If Davidson and the coach had just said that Perry needed to step away for awhile to handle a personal private issue, all conversation would have ended. Nobody would have questioned anything... How many times have sports organizations spoonfed the press with a similar message? Instead, Hawk management either deliberately or irresponsibly set this snowball in motion. I think this situation might get ugly. Maybe I’m looking way too far into this? But it almost seemed like the org wanted it to seem bad? They left many questions out there when it could have been as simple as “Corey Perry has a personal issue to attend to”. It seems stupid to take the approach they did, it’s like they’re pissed with him. They also used the term “healthy scratch” many years times and that he was being held out of practice. So it almost seems like a punishment from the organization. And I think most are looking at it that way until they clarify this!!! Hawks management did not follow the traditional script. They made it clear that Perry is not with the team because management decided to send him home. Davidson is not just airing out the team's dirty laundry. He is fanning its fumes directly towards the pressbox, setting up Perry to endure the snowballing gossip. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 28, 2023 9:28:34 GMT -6
I think it goes without saying that any Org. would get a lot of 'cover' from the media and fans by simply saying 'personal issue' and so would the player. We don't know what's going-on yet but the Org. still refuses to use the term 'personal issue' like the player's agent did,insisting to stay with the 'organizational decision' and following-up with nothing further. The young GM HAS to know just saying 'personal issue(s)' would have kept the media,fans AND questions at bay as it should,and the player's camp obviously would have gone along but the Org. still refuse to use the term for some reason. I'm sorry but "organizational decision" begs the questions being asked and not adding 'anything further' is hard on the HC and the players IMO. Corey Perry was brought-in to mentor the kids and he seemed to have bonded with Bedard and the rest of the 'room' as well......he was also playing well and he was paid well for it. Acquiring the player and then extending him for as much as he made in his last four years combined was also an 'organizational decision' I wasn't crazy about but the guy was doing everything expected of him up until last Tuesday,when he was seen staying after practice to work with Bedard. It was also an 'organizational decision' that deemed Taylor Hall and Corey Perry better mentors for the young players than Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews would have been.......Taylor Hall and Corey Perry didn't make Thanksgiving for 10M bucks. Injuries happen to every team and they happen more frequently to 32yro players. If Corey Perry is facing a health or family type of 'personal issue'......I digress. That's all the Org. has to say. Toews and Kane made it clear they didn't want to be part of a full rebuild, not sure why you brought them up. And Perry must've known he would've been traded considering he only signed for a year and Chicago isn't a playoff team, yet. Sure it's a lot sooner than expected, if that's the case, but it's part of the business. But I agree, they should've said it's for personal reasons and left it at that. That was some time back when they answered a question put to them by a reporter and they answered it honestly,neither ever demanded a trade at any point. I brought 'them' up because it's a Blackhawk's message board and they're two of the greatest Blackhawks ever.........I'll probably bring em up again for those reasons. Other veterans were brought in that were deemed to be better suited as mentors. Do we know if it was a reaction to a possible trade yet? Maybe a trade was offered that was too good to pass-up but bringing in a mentor that bonds with the kids,plays well and is well respected in the room as planned and then trading him before Thanksgiving is unusual to say the least. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 28, 2023 10:09:34 GMT -6
Re Kane and Toews.
Detroit was not competitive last season. They are not contenders this year either. Kane's options obviously were very limited.
If instead of deliberately continuing the tank, Davidson had switched gears, I believe both Kane and Toews would have returned.
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Post by nighbor on Nov 28, 2023 10:36:42 GMT -6
Ease off Davidson. It appears to me that the bash Stan crowd has resurfaced and turned their sights on Kyle from Chicago. It is up to Corey Perry to set the record straight. It must be great to have a boss give you paid leave to deal with family issues.
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Post by BigT on Nov 28, 2023 11:07:44 GMT -6
Ease off Davidson. It appears to me that the bash Stan crowd has resurfaced and turned their sights on Kyle from Chicago. It is up to Corey Perry to set the record straight. It must be great to have a boss give you paid leave to deal with family issues. KD has his share of love from the Hawks fans. But that doesn’t mean he’s immune to criticism on things. I’m not sure if this was handled properly. Maybe they didn’t know how to handle this? I don’t think anyone is ripping him to shreds. KD said one thing and the org said another. That’s all!!! |
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Post by mvr on Nov 28, 2023 12:33:12 GMT -6
Ease off Davidson. It appears to me that the bash Stan crowd has resurfaced and turned their sights on Kyle from Chicago. It is up to Corey Perry to set the record straight. It must be great to have a boss give you paid leave to deal with family issues. KD has his share of love from the Hawks fans. But that doesn’t mean he’s immune to criticism on things. I’m not sure if this was handled properly. Maybe they didn’t know how to handle this? I don’t think anyone is ripping him to shreds. KD said one thing and the org said another. That’s all!!! It is time, Big T: "Davidson as GM". It might never get to the epic Bowman thread you started. But I will do my best to feed it when I can. I like some of the young GMs moves. I hate some others. Overall, I have lukewarm feelings about his work so far. Why is there such pressure to take an absolutist stand on all things? I'm not "with" Davidson. But I am not "against him" either. I sure hope he succeeds. This board is where we analyze all his moves - the good and the bad. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 28, 2023 13:11:00 GMT -6
Re Kane and Toews. Detroit was not competitive last season. They are not contenders this year either. Kane's options obviously were very limited. If instead of deliberately continuing the tank, Davidson had switched gears, I believe both Kane and Toews would have returned. I don't about those two sentences. The Wings are 3rd in the Atlantic after Yanksgiving,they're now only 6pts behind Boston after beating them in regulation at home last week and once in Detroit already and they're playing a very stingy,defensive game lately too with the 3rd best goal differential in the East. They also lost to Boston,which means they only see em one more time but they have four left with Buffalo,three with the Habs and two each with the Ducks,Sharks,Hawks and Preds. Other than three more with Fla,their schedule isn't bad. Lotta hockey left and it gets tougher from here on out. The Panthers were rumored to be the leading contender but they have little space,Buffalo has a ton of it and a need for scoring but I think Detroit works for Kane for a few reasons and I think one is competitiveness.........we'll see. I think both would have returned regardless of how uncompetitive the team is,especially after winning the lotto but that door was closed.....publically. |
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