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Post by hawkinmontreal on Jun 19, 2024 18:27:43 GMT -6
Perhaps, Necas has a higher ceiling. Maybe he's a 80+pts player at his peak, whereas Kurashev is likely a 70pts player at best. I would still keep Shevy. For one thing, there's a lot to be said for continuity and fostering some sort of a team identity, which is impossible to do with players going in and out. Let's just agree that Bedard, Jones, Vlasic, Korchinski, and Kurashev are here to stay. It's also worth noting that Shevy is on an upward trajectory. Let's not forget that he had to endure the reign of Coliton. Every player not named Bedard is expendable, if it means making this team better. The jury is still out on Kurashev, he has shown flashes, but this team needs more than flashes, they need consistency, that’s Necas. I have seen enough of the garbage thrown on the ice in the last few seasons. I want to see NHL calibre players working with the kids building together.
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Jun 19, 2024 18:32:48 GMT -6
I get some people are hesitate about Guentzel and trading for Necas, but let’s get real here, the Hawks currently are the worst team in the league, these 2 make the team better, take some pressure of Bedard can’t expect that from Taylor Hall, Kurashev, great kid, works hard, but I will will go with Necas, more upside, more diverse. There is not one player besides Bedard that is not tradable. The priority is to get better and build moving forward. I am not expecting the team to turn over in 1 year, but it’s time now for KD to get some NHL talent on this team. All I here is rumours, let’s get the ball rolling.NHL ready talent gives the kids time to develop, can’t keep throwing them into the fire every year. This is not a sink or swim philosophy, we watched to many players that currently play in the NHL the Hawks ruined there development because they were not ready, and if KD continues the same path it will be the same result, wasted talent. Necas to me, is a lesser Dave Bolland, can be used everywhere in many different situations, Guentzel, provides goal scoring similar to Patrick Sharp, yes he approaching 30, but this is reality now, teams aren’t parting ways with superstars, Guentzel provides a stop gap, and if KD has idea what he is doing, with all our so called talent, the team should be ready in 2-3 years. How is Necas more diverse than Kurashev? He can't play center and lost his spot on the top6 and #1 PP. Kurashev played center in juniors and the AHL and did a good job when he filled in at center in the NHL. Plus he's great defensively, so he can play the PK as well as the PP. Hopefully KD can get him without giving up Kurashev. Lost his spot on a top 6 NHL Stanley cup competitor, with a lineup infused with talent. Plenty of Hawks lost there spot in the lineup when the Hawks were loaded with talent, that’s the way it is.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 19, 2024 20:11:41 GMT -6
How is Necas more diverse than Kurashev? He can't play center and lost his spot on the top6 and #1 PP. Kurashev played center in juniors and the AHL and did a good job when he filled in at center in the NHL. Plus he's great defensively, so he can play the PK as well as the PP. Hopefully KD can get him without giving up Kurashev. Lost his spot on a top 6 NHL Stanley cup competitor, with a lineup infused with talent. Plenty of Hawks lost there spot in the lineup when the Hawks were loaded with talent, that’s the way it is. he's also rumored to have demanded pp1 and top line time and is now asking to be traded because that wasn't guaranteed. he has moved around their lineup for the last 3 seasons, especially this past one and the season before his breakout. consistency has been an issue.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jun 19, 2024 23:19:13 GMT -6
Perhaps, Necas has a higher ceiling. Maybe he's a 80+pts player at his peak, whereas Kurashev is likely a 70pts player at best. I would still keep Shevy. For one thing, there's a lot to be said for continuity and fostering some sort of a team identity, which is impossible to do with players going in and out. Let's just agree that Bedard, Jones, Vlasic, Korchinski, and Kurashev are here to stay. It's also worth noting that Shevy is on an upward trajectory. Let's not forget that he had to endure the reign of Coliton. Every player not named Bedard is expendable, if it means making this team better. The jury is still out on Kurashev, he has shown flashes, but this team needs more than flashes, they need consistency, that’s Necas. I have seen enough of the garbage thrown on the ice in the last few seasons. I want to see NHL calibre players working with the kids building together. I don't think that we can get to a quality line up by constantly shuffling and trading players that show a good deal of promise. In the case of trading Kurashev + whatever to get Necas, you're giving something very close to Necas in Kurashev. Perhaps, at some point it'll make sense to move on from Kurashev, but this is not it. Shevy and Bedard had good chemistry and I am sure bonded over that to some extent. It would be a mistake to ruin that chasing after someone marginally better -- assuming Necas is. I think that we'll see significant improvement next year because D will have matured and will help maintain possession in the O zone. I think both Vlassic and Korcinski will have improved quite a bit. Subtract Megna and Tinordi and things are already better.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 20, 2024 5:44:26 GMT -6
There are better teams than the Hawks looking at Necas.
I doubt he would want to come here if a better team comes calling.
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Post by squishy24 on Jun 20, 2024 6:36:55 GMT -6
There are better teams than the Hawks looking at Necas. I doubt he would want to come here if a better team comes calling. You can say this about every top F, top D or top G. We’ll probably see the same thing as last year, trading for players that are already under contract, or overpaying for established vets who are “good for the kids”
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 20, 2024 7:22:43 GMT -6
There are better teams than the Hawks looking at Necas. I doubt he would want to come here if a better team comes calling. You can say this about every top F, top D or top G. We’ll probably see the same thing as last year, trading for players that are already under contract, or overpaying for established vets who are “good for the kids” We'll see which team offers what the Canes would want for him.
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Post by ukhawk on Jun 20, 2024 9:05:19 GMT -6
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Post by Hockey is great on Jun 20, 2024 9:22:35 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 20, 2024 9:49:05 GMT -6
Waiver exempt, so he'll be going back and forth to rockford when needed.
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Post by BigT on Jun 21, 2024 13:42:12 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jun 21, 2024 14:59:22 GMT -6
interesting... I wonder how much he would want to extend? he is only @ 4.6 now and it isn't like he has set the world on fire. it would be dependent on how much he wants and what Ottawa wanted for him for me.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jun 21, 2024 15:39:54 GMT -6
I can see the D core comprising KK, Vlasic, Jones, Murphy, EDM....and Kaiser? Assuming the Hawks shed Tinordi, Megna, and Zaitsev, they will probably need another veteran. I would prefer Tanev.
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Post by BigT on Jun 21, 2024 15:44:15 GMT -6
interesting... I wonder how much he would want to extend? he is only @ 4.6 now and it isn't like he has set the world on fire. it would be dependent on how much he wants and what Ottawa wanted for him for me. I say no. We have far too many prospects on the left side to get to. Can’t have an expensive guy like him there. I’m 💯 that isn’t gonna happen. Unless KD has a trade in place to get ride of someone? Like EDM for a forward? Then it makes sense to shore up the D. I think getting Montour or more than likely Tanev for 2 years is best. He can overpay them and let them help out the kids. I could see EDM or Allan packaged for Necas. They need defense over there in Carolina. Baaaaad. So I could see them wanting EDM who’s basically ready for the NHL. But if he was the one leaving, I wouldn’t attach pick 18 with it. Maybe pick 34, EDM and Phillips for Necas!!!
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 21, 2024 16:08:37 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind acquiring Chychrun - IF - Murphy leaves the Hawks. I think Chychrun is an upgrade over Murphy and even though he's LD - he can and has played RD. The trick is getting rid of Murphy. Maybe do a 50% retain and swap him and Crychrun with some draft picks to even out the trade (not #2 or #18).
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jun 21, 2024 16:15:41 GMT -6
interesting... I wonder how much he would want to extend? he is only @ 4.6 now and it isn't like he has set the world on fire. it would be dependent on how much he wants and what Ottawa wanted for him for me. I say no. We have far too many prospects on the left side to get to. Can’t have an expensive guy like him there. I’m 💯 that isn’t gonna happen. Unless KD has a trade in place to get ride of someone? Like EDM for a forward? Then it makes sense to shore up the D. I think getting Montour or more than likely Tanev for 2 years is best. He can overpay them and let them help out the kids. I could see EDM or Allan packaged for Necas. They need defense over there in Carolina. Baaaaad. So I could see them wanting EDM who’s basically ready for the NHL. But if he was the one leaving, I wouldn’t attach pick 18 with it. Maybe pick 34, EDM and Phillips for Necas!!! ...and maybe consider Laine for a couple years? All that the Hawks need to do is to take on his contract for the next two years.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 21, 2024 16:25:37 GMT -6
interesting... I wonder how much he would want to extend? he is only @ 4.6 now and it isn't like he has set the world on fire. it would be dependent on how much he wants and what Ottawa wanted for him for me. I say no. We have far too many prospects on the left side to get to. Can’t have an expensive guy like him there. I’m 💯 that isn’t gonna happen. Unless KD has a trade in place to get ride of someone? Like EDM for a forward? Then it makes sense to shore up the D. I think getting Montour or more than likely Tanev for 2 years is best. He can overpay them and let them help out the kids. I could see EDM or Allan packaged for Necas. They need defense over there in Carolina. Baaaaad. So I could see them wanting EDM who’s basically ready for the NHL. But if he was the one leaving, I wouldn’t attach pick 18 with it. Maybe pick 34, EDM and Phillips for Necas!!! like I said, his monetary demands and Ottawa's trade demands would be the determining factors here. if he wants a big contract, then nah. if Ottawa wants much for him, then nah. I'm not touching Montour, but I am 100% down with Tanev. I doubt he will sign here, though. he has to be looking for another shot at a Cup...
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Post by Hockey is great on Jun 21, 2024 18:39:34 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jun 21, 2024 19:08:47 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind acquiring Chychrun - IF - Murphy leaves the Hawks. I think Chychrun is an upgrade over Murphy and even though he's LD - he can and has played RD. The trick is getting rid of Murphy. Maybe do a 50% retain and swap him and Crychrun with some draft picks to even out the trade (not #2 or #18). Chychrun is a leftie. So losing Murphy does absolutely nothing but ruin it for a kid. I say no. EDM will be better!!!
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Post by BigT on Jun 23, 2024 11:11:37 GMT -6
It sounds like if Josh Dakota hits the UFA market he’ll become a Hawk. Lotsa noise out there the Hawks will overpay for his services. I believe teams can start to talk to potential UFA’s I believe on Tuesday. So I’m sure the Hawks will be talking to a few fellas. That’s when rumours fly as agents like that shit to get out to boost their clients popularity.
Also, sounds like Flyers and Hawks have the best offers for Necas. But the asking price is far too high as of now. There’s even talk of an offer sheet. And if Carolina matches. They cannot trade him for one full year. Which would piss off Necas to no end.
If the Hawks take Levshunov. They better do something up front. I’d like to see Necas and Dakota at a minimum and try to pry out McGroarty. That would be an awesome offseason!!!
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 23, 2024 11:45:51 GMT -6
Dakota should be a slam dunk
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Post by BigT on Jun 23, 2024 12:13:43 GMT -6
Dakota should be a slam dunk I could see him signing a 5 year 15 million deal. I don’t know if he gets much more than 3 million per. So, we’ll see what happens. But this is the contract Dakota had to finally cash in on!!!
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Post by vadarx on Jun 23, 2024 15:02:26 GMT -6
It sounds like if Josh Dakota hits the UFA market he’ll become a Hawk. Lotsa noise out there the Hawks will overpay for his services. I believe teams can start to talk to potential UFA’s I believe on Tuesday. So I’m sure the Hawks will be talking to a few fellas. That’s when rumours fly as agents like that shit to get out to boost their clients popularity. Also, sounds like Flyers and Hawks have the best offers for Necas. But the asking price is far too high as of now. There’s even talk of an offer sheet. And if Carolina matches. They cannot trade him for one full year. Which would piss off Necas to no end. If the Hawks take Levshunov. They better do something up front. I’d like to see Necas and Dakota at a minimum and try to pry out McGroarty. That would be an awesome offseason!!! a Wolverine, spartan, and a buckeye walk into the Blackhawks locker room...
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Post by vadarx on Jun 23, 2024 15:04:29 GMT -6
Dakota should be a slam dunk I've stated my pissy little bit about bringing in a hairless nut, but you are right, he should absolutely be a priority. I wonder if we use free agency to add some beef thus summer and use the draft to add skill (ie, Demidov)...
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Post by Hockey is great on Jun 23, 2024 15:40:58 GMT -6
Yakov Trenin could be a option also
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 23, 2024 17:04:21 GMT -6
I just saw an internet rumor of a trade between the Hawks and Winnipeg:
To Chicago: Nicolas Ehlers and Rutger McGroarty
To Winnipeg: Lukas Reichel, Connor Murphy and the #18 pick.
First of all - I would do that trade without a 2nd thought ... but I find it hard to believe Winnipeg would - even if Murphy OK's the trade with his NMC.
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Post by Hockey is great on Jun 23, 2024 17:08:04 GMT -6
I just saw an internet rumor of a trade between the Hawks and Winnipeg: To Chicago: Nicolas Ehlers and Rutger McGroarty To Winnipeg: Lukas Reichel, Connor Murphy and the #18 pick. First of all - I would do that trade without a 2nd thought ... but I find it hard to believe Winnipeg would - even if Murphy OK's the trade with his NMC. think they could do a lot better then that for both
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Post by BigT on Jun 23, 2024 18:30:19 GMT -6
I just saw an internet rumor of a trade between the Hawks and Winnipeg: To Chicago: Nicolas Ehlers and Rutger McGroarty To Winnipeg: Lukas Reichel, Connor Murphy and the #18 pick. First of all - I would do that trade without a 2nd thought ... but I find it hard to believe Winnipeg would - even if Murphy OK's the trade with his NMC. I’d even add in Nolan Allan. There’s just too many left D. It’s not fair to all the left D here to have to wait and be good soldiers, when they can make it elsewhere. Getting Murphy and Allan would really secure the Jets D. That would guarantee the Hawks are taking Levy!!!
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 23, 2024 19:21:41 GMT -6
It sounds like if Josh Dakota hits the UFA market he’ll become a Hawk. Lotsa noise out there the Hawks will overpay for his services. I believe teams can start to talk to potential UFA’s I believe on Tuesday. So I’m sure the Hawks will be talking to a few fellas. That’s when rumours fly as agents like that shit to get out to boost their clients popularity. Also, sounds like Flyers and Hawks have the best offers for Necas. But the asking price is far too high as of now. There’s even talk of an offer sheet. And if Carolina matches. They cannot trade him for one full year. Which would piss off Necas to no end. If the Hawks take Levshunov. They better do something up front. I’d like to see Necas and Dakota at a minimum and try to pry out McGroarty. That would be an awesome offseason!!! a Wolverine, spartan, and a buckeye walk into the Blackhawks locker room... They all ask the Domer for advice(sorry could not resist)
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 23, 2024 19:50:22 GMT -6
I just saw an internet rumor of a trade between the Hawks and Winnipeg: To Chicago: Nicolas Ehlers and Rutger McGroarty To Winnipeg: Lukas Reichel, Connor Murphy and the #18 pick. First of all - I would do that trade without a 2nd thought ... but I find it hard to believe Winnipeg would - even if Murphy OK's the trade with his NMC. I’d even add in Nolan Allan. There’s just too many left D. It’s not fair to all the left D here to have to wait and be good soldiers, when they can make it elsewhere. Getting Murphy and Allan would really secure the Jets D. That would guarantee the Hawks are taking Levy!!! Allan is a stud on D and really well liked, I wouldn't trade him yet, especially to a team in the same division.
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