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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 28, 2024 9:08:04 GMT -6
Question for our group to ponder over. When the front office was disbanded and they started a "search" for a GM and had Hossa, Sharp and Eddie O to "advise". To me that was a huge error. Priority should have been Hockey OPS President first, to me Eddie would have been a good choice. I think Eddie didn't want that position because he loves to travel and broadcast games nationally as well as home team. Then with a real front office type mind like Eddie the choice for GM would have been easier I feel. If they get a new President now, will he/she still want KD in the GM seat? Even though his assistants are capable. Norm Maciver Associate General Manager Mark Eaton Asst. General Manager, Player Development Meghan Hunter Asst. General Manager, Hockey Operations Brian Campbell Advisor, Hockey Operations In 2 more years KD will be your President. Right or wrong the wirts have always had one guy along for most of the ride that's gonna be KD I just dont know why.
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Post by nighbor on Jun 28, 2024 9:57:58 GMT -6
Question for our group to ponder over. When the front office was disbanded and they started a "search" for a GM and had Hossa, Sharp and Eddie O to "advise". To me that was a huge error. Priority should have been Hockey OPS President first, to me Eddie would have been a good choice. I think Eddie didn't want that position because he loves to travel and broadcast games nationally as well as home team. Then with a real front office type mind like Eddie the choice for GM would have been easier I feel. If they get a new President now, will he/she still want KD in the GM seat? Even though his assistants are capable. Norm Maciver Associate General Manager Mark Eaton Asst. General Manager, Player Development Meghan Hunter Asst. General Manager, Hockey Operations Brian Campbell Advisor, Hockey Operations Edzo left the team because blood is thicker than water. He got the opportunity to do what he loved with the added benefit of working with his brother. I for one am satisfied and appreciate the work Kyle is doing. He should be left alone. The time for a change is after the team decides to kick Kyle to the curb. We do not need a repeat of when Q was hired before management had the decency to fire Savard.
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Jun 28, 2024 13:59:11 GMT -6
KD has his thing with Bedards contract year. He doesn’t want any contract to go further. I’m not sure I fully understand that. It’s like basically saying the rebuild will last till Bedard is re-signed. I’m sure there’s a lot of people second guessing him. Hence the reason for all the speculation of Holland and a president coming in!!! I don’t get that philosophy, let’s speculate and say Bedard 7 years at 12.5, give or take, there is plenty of room to add quality and long term contracts.
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Post by BigT on Jun 28, 2024 14:15:11 GMT -6
KD has his thing with Bedards contract year. He doesn’t want any contract to go further. I’m not sure I fully understand that. It’s like basically saying the rebuild will last till Bedard is re-signed. I’m sure there’s a lot of people second guessing him. Hence the reason for all the speculation of Holland and a president coming in!!! I don’t get that philosophy, let’s speculate and say Bedard 7 years at 12.5, give or take, there is plenty of room to add quality and long term contracts. I totally see what you’re saying. It’s like he’s signing his flagship player before any other. The only other player who’s here longer term is Seth. I could be wrong here, and will admit if I am. But I’ve never ever seen things done like this. I believe that’s why we’re hearing all these rumours about other GMs coming to the Hawks. Picture if the scenario was reversed. Let’s say the Hawks are rather thin on D. Like very. A good young Dman is up for grabs but there’s a safe forward that could add to an already loaded forward group. A player like Jake Debrusk vs a Dman like Q Hughes. I personally swing for the fences. When you need a home run and your home run hitter is up, you ask him to bunt to get on base!!!
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Post by BigT on Jun 28, 2024 14:49:02 GMT -6
Just throwing this out there. Not sure what I think of it. But the Rags have asked Captain Trouba for a list of teams on his NTC. He’s a righty. A shut down guy. Could slot in nicely. Then the Hawks could take a forward in the draft and buy more time to develop defensemen. Again. I’m not saying I’d do it. It is something to think about. He only has two years left. So, it may be a decent thing to explore!!!
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Post by Nikos on Jun 28, 2024 14:55:40 GMT -6
Just throwing this out there. Not sure what I think of it. But the Rags have asked Captain Trouba for a list of teams on his NTC. He’s a righty. A shut down guy. Could slot in nicely. Then the Hawks could take a forward in the draft and buy more time to develop defensemen. Again. I’m not saying I’d do it. It is something to think about. He only has two years left. So, it may be a decent thing to explore!!! Rangers would have to pony up some draft assets and say Kakko or Brennan Othmann to even think about this.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 28, 2024 15:39:07 GMT -6
Just throwing this out there. Not sure what I think of it. But the Rags have asked Captain Trouba for a list of teams on his NTC. He’s a righty. A shut down guy. Could slot in nicely. Then the Hawks could take a forward in the draft and buy more time to develop defensemen. Again. I’m not saying I’d do it. It is something to think about. He only has two years left. So, it may be a decent thing to explore!!! Rangers would have to pony up some draft assets and say Kakko or Brennan Othmann to even think about this. Could be similar to the Bickell trade, hopefully Kakko finds his game here like Teravainen did in Carolina. But I doubt Chicago's on his list.
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Post by Hockey is great on Jun 28, 2024 15:52:20 GMT -6
Just throwing this out there. Not sure what I think of it. But the Rags have asked Captain Trouba for a list of teams on his NTC. He’s a righty. A shut down guy. Could slot in nicely. Then the Hawks could take a forward in the draft and buy more time to develop defensemen. Again. I’m not saying I’d do it. It is something to think about. He only has two years left. So, it may be a decent thing to explore!!! Trouba, Kakko, pick 30 for pick 50 and Connor Murphy
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Post by BigT on Jun 28, 2024 15:55:58 GMT -6
Just throwing this out there. Not sure what I think of it. But the Rags have asked Captain Trouba for a list of teams on his NTC. He’s a righty. A shut down guy. Could slot in nicely. Then the Hawks could take a forward in the draft and buy more time to develop defensemen. Again. I’m not saying I’d do it. It is something to think about. He only has two years left. So, it may be a decent thing to explore!!! Trouba, Kakko, pick 30 for pick 50 and Connor Murphy Look at it from the Rags point of view. They don’t make that trade. It’ll take more than that. They’re not giving those guys away. I think they want a different captain. Trouba was also there from the last GM. Drury is definitely clearing out some of the old guard!!!
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Post by BigT on Jun 28, 2024 15:57:51 GMT -6
Also, Stamkos to test the free agent market. I don’t think he eyes Chicago. But ya never know!!!
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jun 28, 2024 16:12:14 GMT -6
Also, Stamkos to test the free agent market. I don’t think he eyes Chicago. But ya never know!!! He would probably be eyeing any team that can pay him, which is probably not Tampa Bay or any of the top contenders. I think if Chicago were to offer him $9mil@3years, he might take it.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 28, 2024 16:17:35 GMT -6
Also, Stamkos to test the free agent market. I don’t think he eyes Chicago. But ya never know!!! He would probably be eyeing any team that can pay him, which is probably not Tampa Bay or any of the top contenders. I think if Chicago were to offer him $9mil@3years, he might take it. Unless KD keeps offering 2yrs but he'd have to make it 10+ per year.
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Post by BigT on Jun 28, 2024 16:22:52 GMT -6
He would probably be eyeing any team that can pay him, which is probably not Tampa Bay or any of the top contenders. I think if Chicago were to offer him $9mil@3years, he might take it. Unless KD keeps offering 2yrs but he'd have to make it 10+ per year. Ya, if he keeps offering 2 years. You’re literally scaling off the bottom of the barrel. I don’t see how the team will get much better. At least for now. Not sure the 2 year limit gets you much on the UFA market. It sounds like Lafferty would like a longer term. So that may be over before it started!!!
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jun 28, 2024 16:23:12 GMT -6
He would probably be eyeing any team that can pay him, which is probably not Tampa Bay or any of the top contenders. I think if Chicago were to offer him $9mil@3years, he might take it. Unless KD keeps offering 2yrs but he'd have to make it 10+ per year. You're more than likely correct, which they could. Of course, it's not my money, so easy for me to say. On the other hand, there are only two contracts that extend beyond 25-26 season: Jones and Vlassic. Seems like the Hawks have a bit of leeway here.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 28, 2024 16:30:09 GMT -6
Just throwing this out there. Not sure what I think of it. But the Rags have asked Captain Trouba for a list of teams on his NTC. He’s a righty. A shut down guy. Could slot in nicely. Then the Hawks could take a forward in the draft and buy more time to develop defensemen. Again. I’m not saying I’d do it. It is something to think about. He only has two years left. So, it may be a decent thing to explore!!! don't see it happening, but what does that trade look like? I don't see anyone lining up for him, so this is kind of a dump by the rags, which means they should be paying someone to take him.
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Jun 28, 2024 16:59:37 GMT -6
Also, Stamkos to test the free agent market. I don’t think he eyes Chicago. But ya never know!!! My exact feelings, why not try, Stamkos would be tremendous in Chicago, don’t know if you don’t try. That’s something I can’t understand, your a GM building a team to compete, take some chances.
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Post by BigT on Jun 29, 2024 8:24:12 GMT -6
My worry is this. He’s loaded the team with expiring contracts in 2 years time. To my knowledge, I see Seth and Vlasic as the only guys under contract last there. So the problem is this. 80-90% of those guys will have taken their money and leave. Sure a few will re-sign but there’s going to be massive turnover. And more than likely a team full of rookies and inexperienced guys. I see absolutely no high end talent coming to help out the offense. What I see is a bunch of guys drafted that will be middle 6 players. We almost have to hope that the Hawks tank again next year and get another top 3 pick. I don’t get what they’re doing. It’s really starting to remind me of the last guy, the smartest guy in the room bullshit.
Can’t have one guy that is doing everything. We’ll see if this guy has any trades coming or what free agents. But my guess is he’s sticking to his 2 year deals and will land no one but a couple drifters looking for a deal!!!
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Post by Hockey is great on Jun 29, 2024 8:28:19 GMT -6
My worry is this. He’s loaded the team with expiring contracts in 2 years time. To my knowledge, I see Seth and Vlasic as the only guys under contract last there. So the problem is this. 80-90% of those guys will have taken their money and leave. Sure a few will re-sign but there’s going to be massive turnover. And more than likely a team full of rookies and inexperienced guys. I see absolutely no high end talent coming to help out the offense. What I see is a bunch of guys drafted that will be middle 6 players. We almost have to hope that the Hawks tank again next year and get another top 3 pick. I don’t get what they’re doing. It’s really starting to remind me of the last guy, the smartest guy in the room bullshit. Can’t have one guy that is doing everything. We’ll see if this guy has any trades coming or what free agents. But my guess is he’s sticking to his 2 year deals and will land no one but a couple drifters looking for a deal!!! Rebuilding teams are going to have lots of roster turnover. Not a uncommon thing at all.
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Post by BigT on Jun 29, 2024 8:56:55 GMT -6
My worry is this. He’s loaded the team with expiring contracts in 2 years time. To my knowledge, I see Seth and Vlasic as the only guys under contract last there. So the problem is this. 80-90% of those guys will have taken their money and leave. Sure a few will re-sign but there’s going to be massive turnover. And more than likely a team full of rookies and inexperienced guys. I see absolutely no high end talent coming to help out the offense. What I see is a bunch of guys drafted that will be middle 6 players. We almost have to hope that the Hawks tank again next year and get another top 3 pick. I don’t get what they’re doing. It’s really starting to remind me of the last guy, the smartest guy in the room bullshit. Can’t have one guy that is doing everything. We’ll see if this guy has any trades coming or what free agents. But my guess is he’s sticking to his 2 year deals and will land no one but a couple drifters looking for a deal!!! Rebuilding teams are going to have lots of roster turnover. Not a uncommon thing at all. They are. But you cannot turn over a roster every 2 years. The vets on this have already spoken. They’ve said their displeasure with his short term deals. There was ALOT of chatter on the draft floor last night about KD overvaluing players and paying steep prices for guys they target. He’s young and inexperienced. I get it, no one wants to think of their team or the leadership screwing up constantly. The last GM had most people fooled for many years. Just off of blind loyalty. I hope this kid as GM makes it work. Even his presser last night didn’t sound like he was confident. Just because they take a forward in the first round, doesn’t mean they’re a star. I think his picks gotta start baring fruit real soon. Cuz right now, it’s mostly the last GMs picks doing all the heavy lifting. Just like the last GM taking two of the same player in the first round. Like Boqvist and Beaudin. He took Nazar and Moore. Smaller guys. Bedard smaller. When the Hawks won Cups, Toews 6’2, Hossa 6’2”, Saad 6’2”. I don’t see all the guys KD has drafted high as very big. Sure last night he took 2 guys that were bigger. But there’s no one saying they’re top line players. Starting to look like Nashville a lot here!!!
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Post by Hockey is great on Jun 29, 2024 9:01:11 GMT -6
Rebuilding teams are going to have lots of roster turnover. Not an uncommon thing at all. They are. But you cannot turn over a roster every 2 years. The vets on this have already spoken. They’ve said their displeasure with his short term deals. There was ALOT of chatter on the draft floor last night about KD overvaluing players and paying steep prices for guys they target. He’s young and inexperienced. I get it, no one wants to think of their team or the leadership screwing up constantly. The last GM had most people fooled for many years. Just off of blind loyalty. I hope this kid as GM makes it work. Even his presser last night didn’t sound like he was confident. Just because they take a forward in the first round, doesn’t mean they’re a star. I think his picks gotta start baring fruit real soon. Cuz right now, it’s mostly the last GMs picks doing all the heavy lifting. Just like the last GM taking two of the same player in the first round. Like Boqvist and Beaudin. He took Nazar and Moore. Smaller guys. Bedard smaller. When the Hawks won Cups, Toews 6’2, Hossa 6’2”, Saad 6’2”. I don’t see all the guys KD has drafted high as very big. Sure last night he took 2 guys that were bigger. But there’s no one saying they’re top line players. Starting to look like Nashville a lot here!!! yeah the vets are the ones that signed here for short term and bigger money then they would make elsewhere. In two years time 3 or 4 more guys will be ready to take over their overpaid spots in the lineup. I mean the rebuild is two years old. As hard as it is we have to let go of the dynasty comparisons this teams. Those days are done. No reason to rush the rebuild because Seth jones is unhappy. Sign some guys to mid term deals in free agency and lengthen the lineup but let’s not pretend they are competing for the playoffs this year. There was no chatter come on now.
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Post by BigT on Jun 29, 2024 9:28:31 GMT -6
They are. But you cannot turn over a roster every 2 years. The vets on this have already spoken. They’ve said their displeasure with his short term deals. There was ALOT of chatter on the draft floor last night about KD overvaluing players and paying steep prices for guys they target. He’s young and inexperienced. I get it, no one wants to think of their team or the leadership screwing up constantly. The last GM had most people fooled for many years. Just off of blind loyalty. I hope this kid as GM makes it work. Even his presser last night didn’t sound like he was confident. Just because they take a forward in the first round, doesn’t mean they’re a star. I think his picks gotta start baring fruit real soon. Cuz right now, it’s mostly the last GMs picks doing all the heavy lifting. Just like the last GM taking two of the same player in the first round. Like Boqvist and Beaudin. He took Nazar and Moore. Smaller guys. Bedard smaller. When the Hawks won Cups, Toews 6’2, Hossa 6’2”, Saad 6’2”. I don’t see all the guys KD has drafted high as very big. Sure last night he took 2 guys that were bigger. But there’s no one saying they’re top line players. Starting to look like Nashville a lot here!!! yeah the vets are the ones that signed here for short term and bigger money then they would make elsewhere. In two years time 3 or 4 more guys will be ready to take over their overpaid spots in the lineup. I mean the rebuild is two years old. As hard as it is we have to let go of the dynasty comparisons this teams. Those days are done. No reason to rush the rebuild because Seth jones is unhappy. Sign some guys to mid term deals in free agency and lengthen the lineup but let’s not pretend they are competing for the playoffs this year. There was no chatter come on now. Not only was there chatter. If you seen Kent Hughes interview. He basically said he offered a significant package to move up to get Demidov. Look at how quick the Ducks picked Sennecke. The BJs were taking Lindstrom. No one else was taking Levshunov at 3/4/5. He could have made the trade with the Habs. And still got Levshunov. He moved up to 18 and took Boisvert. Nice player. But he coulda got him at pick 24/25. So why the trade to lose another 2nd rounder with the Islanders? Then Vannicker was picked at 27. He is getting shoulder surgery and no one was picking him in the 1st round. No one. But he had to drop a lot of picks to move up to get guys that were more than likely going to fall. So yes, there was a lot of chatter on the floor about that. Reporters asked him about that!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 29, 2024 11:28:09 GMT -6
Rebuilding teams are going to have lots of roster turnover. Not a uncommon thing at all. They are. But you cannot turn over a roster every 2 years. The vets on this have already spoken. They’ve said their displeasure with his short term deals. There was ALOT of chatter on the draft floor last night about KD overvaluing players and paying steep prices for guys they target. He’s young and inexperienced. I get it, no one wants to think of their team or the leadership screwing up constantly. The last GM had most people fooled for many years. Just off of blind loyalty. I hope this kid as GM makes it work. Even his presser last night didn’t sound like he was confident. Just because they take a forward in the first round, doesn’t mean they’re a star. I think his picks gotta start baring fruit real soon. Cuz right now, it’s mostly the last GMs picks doing all the heavy lifting. Just like the last GM taking two of the same player in the first round. Like Boqvist and Beaudin. He took Nazar and Moore. Smaller guys. Bedard smaller. When the Hawks won Cups, Toews 6’2, Hossa 6’2”, Saad 6’2”. I don’t see all the guys KD has drafted high as very big. Sure last night he took 2 guys that were bigger. But there’s no one saying they’re top line players. Starting to look like Nashville a lot here!!! They spoke alright when they signed their 2 yr. overpaid contracts. They need to shut up and play hockey.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 29, 2024 11:43:31 GMT -6
Rebuilding teams are going to have lots of roster turnover. Not a uncommon thing at all. They are. But you cannot turn over a roster every 2 years. The vets on this have already spoken. They’ve said their displeasure with his short term deals. There was ALOT of chatter on the draft floor last night about KD overvaluing players and paying steep prices for guys they target. He’s young and inexperienced. I get it, no one wants to think of their team or the leadership screwing up constantly. The last GM had most people fooled for many years. Just off of blind loyalty. I hope this kid as GM makes it work. Even his presser last night didn’t sound like he was confident. Just because they take a forward in the first round, doesn’t mean they’re a star. I think his picks gotta start baring fruit real soon. Cuz right now, it’s mostly the last GMs picks doing all the heavy lifting. Just like the last GM taking two of the same player in the first round. Like Boqvist and Beaudin. He took Nazar and Moore. Smaller guys. Bedard smaller. When the Hawks won Cups, Toews 6’2, Hossa 6’2”, Saad 6’2”. I don’t see all the guys KD has drafted high as very big. Sure last night he took 2 guys that were bigger. But there’s no one saying they’re top line players. Starting to look like Nashville a lot here!!! T gotta ask who out of KDs picks has taken a step back? I believe either pick last night could play a top 6 role neither are line generators but could play top 6.
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Post by BigT on Jun 29, 2024 12:41:37 GMT -6
They are. But you cannot turn over a roster every 2 years. The vets on this have already spoken. They’ve said their displeasure with his short term deals. There was ALOT of chatter on the draft floor last night about KD overvaluing players and paying steep prices for guys they target. He’s young and inexperienced. I get it, no one wants to think of their team or the leadership screwing up constantly. The last GM had most people fooled for many years. Just off of blind loyalty. I hope this kid as GM makes it work. Even his presser last night didn’t sound like he was confident. Just because they take a forward in the first round, doesn’t mean they’re a star. I think his picks gotta start baring fruit real soon. Cuz right now, it’s mostly the last GMs picks doing all the heavy lifting. Just like the last GM taking two of the same player in the first round. Like Boqvist and Beaudin. He took Nazar and Moore. Smaller guys. Bedard smaller. When the Hawks won Cups, Toews 6’2, Hossa 6’2”, Saad 6’2”. I don’t see all the guys KD has drafted high as very big. Sure last night he took 2 guys that were bigger. But there’s no one saying they’re top line players. Starting to look like Nashville a lot here!!! T gotta ask who out of KDs picks has taken a step back? I believe either pick last night could play a top 6 role neither are line generators but could play top 6. Let’s say Bedard wasn’t here. Would you still be enthusiastic about this rebuild? I know I wouldn’t. I think they have some NHL players here, but I don’t see the overall talent up front. And I hate hearing people throwing out 3rd and 4th round picks with size. Are those the guys that are gonna lead this thing? Your top guys need size. So we’re looking at our top picks and prospects as Bedard, Nazar, Moore, Lardis, Boisvert, Vanacker. Is that the future top 6? Look at every teams top players. Barkov, Tkachuk etc. Big. Draisaitl -McDavid, Robertson- W Johnston, Mathews-Nylander, B Tkachuk-Stutzle, the list goes on and on. Gotta have size and skill almost all of those guys were drafted at the top of the board. I feel like Levshunov will be an Ekblad type. Probably a 3-4 dman. They could be had in free agency instead of a top draft pick. I hope I’m wrong. But it doesn’t look that great as of now. Way too many undersized guys. And to those who think it doesn’t matter, you e never played against a team of giants. There’s no room and they just physically push you around. This was the draft to signal the beginning of the end. I see more questions than answers. Too much uncertainty for having 8 gawd dam first round picks in 3 years!!!
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Post by ukhawk on Jun 29, 2024 12:55:04 GMT -6
T gotta ask who out of KDs picks has taken a step back? I believe either pick last night could play a top 6 role neither are line generators but could play top 6. Let’s say Bedard wasn’t here. Would you still be enthusiastic about this rebuild? I know I wouldn’t. I think they have some NHL players here, but I don’t see the overall talent up front. And I hate hearing people throwing out 3rd and 4th round picks with size. Are those the guys that are gonna lead this thing? Your top guys need size. So we’re looking at our top picks and prospects as Bedard, Nazar, Moore, Lardis, Boisvert, Vanacker. Is that the future top 6? Look at every teams top players. Barkov, Tkachuk etc. Big. Draisaitl -McDavid, Robertson- W Johnston, Mathews-Nylander, B Tkachuk-Stutzle, the list goes on and on. Gotta have size and skill almost all of those guys were drafted at the top of the board. I feel like Levshunov will be an Ekblad type. Probably a 3-4 dman. They could be had in free agency instead of a top draft pick. I hope I’m wrong. But it doesn’t look that great as of now. Way too many undersized guys. And to those who think it doesn’t matter, you e never played against a team of giants. There’s no room and they just physically push you around. This was the draft to signal the beginning of the end. I see more questions than answers. Too much uncertainty for having 8 gawd dam first round picks in 3 years!!! Hopefully KD makes some trades or free agency to get some size in. Nobody in the draft is a sure thing. Maybe KD is bringing in elite skating and skilled players via the draft and then will utilise cap space and trades to bring in size of already proven nhl players.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 29, 2024 13:03:35 GMT -6
Rebuilding teams are going to have lots of roster turnover. Not a uncommon thing at all. They are. But you cannot turn over a roster every 2 years. The vets on this have already spoken. They’ve said their displeasure with his short term deals. There was ALOT of chatter on the draft floor last night about KD overvaluing players and paying steep prices for guys they target. He’s young and inexperienced. I get it, no one wants to think of their team or the leadership screwing up constantly. The last GM had most people fooled for many years. Just off of blind loyalty. I hope this kid as GM makes it work. Even his presser last night didn’t sound like he was confident. Just because they take a forward in the first round, doesn’t mean they’re a star. I think his picks gotta start baring fruit real soon. Cuz right now, it’s mostly the last GMs picks doing all the heavy lifting. Just like the last GM taking two of the same player in the first round. Like Boqvist and Beaudin. He took Nazar and Moore. Smaller guys. Bedard smaller. When the Hawks won Cups, Toews 6’2, Hossa 6’2”, Saad 6’2”. I don’t see all the guys KD has drafted high as very big. Sure last night he took 2 guys that were bigger. But there’s no one saying they’re top line players. Starting to look like Nashville a lot here!!! KD drafted two dmen in the first round his first draft, yet you bring up two forwards drafted in different years, one of which was drafted between 6'3" and 6'4" dmen. And Moore was 196lbs when drafted, he'll be over 200lbs, below average height but above average weight. Not sure why you think he's small. And he has top line potential, just like Nazar. Boisvert has top6 potential and was projected to go between 19 and the mid 20s, so KD used his surplus of picks to move up and make sure he wasn't taken at 18 or 19. Bob McKenzie had Vanacker #28, central scouting had him #17 amongst NA players, might not have been there at 34. And he already had surgery and when he was going up to the stage they said he recently got his splint off. He has top6 potential as well. Not every player will have top line potential but as long as there's a couple and they're surrounded but top6 guys that's just as good, especially if some guys fall to the bottom 6. That'll make for a great 3rd line.
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 29, 2024 13:53:56 GMT -6
They are. But you cannot turn over a roster every 2 years. The vets on this have already spoken. They’ve said their displeasure with his short term deals. There was ALOT of chatter on the draft floor last night about KD overvaluing players and paying steep prices for guys they target. He’s young and inexperienced. I get it, no one wants to think of their team or the leadership screwing up constantly. The last GM had most people fooled for many years. Just off of blind loyalty. I hope this kid as GM makes it work. Even his presser last night didn’t sound like he was confident. Just because they take a forward in the first round, doesn’t mean they’re a star. I think his picks gotta start baring fruit real soon. Cuz right now, it’s mostly the last GMs picks doing all the heavy lifting. Just like the last GM taking two of the same player in the first round. Like Boqvist and Beaudin. He took Nazar and Moore. Smaller guys. Bedard smaller. When the Hawks won Cups, Toews 6’2, Hossa 6’2”, Saad 6’2”. I don’t see all the guys KD has drafted high as very big. Sure last night he took 2 guys that were bigger. But there’s no one saying they’re top line players. Starting to look like Nashville a lot here!!! KD drafted two dmen in the first round his first draft, yet you bring up two forwards drafted in different years, one of which was drafted between 6'3" and 6'4" dmen. And Moore was 196lbs when drafted, he'll be over 200lbs, below average height but above average weight. Not sure why you think he's small. And he has top line potential, just like Nazar. Boisvert has top6 potential and was projected to go between 19 and the mid 20s, so KD used his surplus of picks to move up and make sure he wasn't taken at 18 or 19. Bob McKenzie had Vanacker #28, central scouting had him #17 amongst NA players, might not have been there at 34. And he already had surgery and when he was going up to the stage they said he recently got his splint off. He has top6 potential as well. Not every player will have top line potential but as long as there's a couple and they're surrounded but top6 guys that's just as good, especially if some guys fall to the bottom 6. That'll make for a great 3rd line. The way I see it: Leshie, even as a 3/4 slots either with Vlassic or Korch. No problem there especially since he's projected as a 2-way guy, and we only got Vlassic as a D-man who can play back-end defense in the top 4. Leshie makes sense, especially since he might make the NHL faster than Demi. Your D isn't set until it is. Ditto with adding center depth with Boisvert. He hits, goes into the corners, should he able to play in the top-6 and by the sounds of his play already, he's an upgrade over Reichel. It's easier to move centers to wing than vice-versa. Might not have the O flair but a 2-way center sounds better than yet another 1 dimenional scoring wing. Vanacker looks like he could be another Hagel. Would I have been happy with Demi, etc? Sure. But I think the draft was solid enough addressing real needs we have as opposed to getting just scorers for Bedard and leaving goatse.cx sized holes in the back and down the middle - which were expoited with abandon this past season. That's a surefire way to become another Toronto or Edmonton.
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Post by Nikos on Jun 29, 2024 16:06:37 GMT -6
Let’s say Bedard wasn’t here. Would you still be enthusiastic about this rebuild? I know I wouldn’t. I think they have some NHL players here, but I don’t see the overall talent up front. And I hate hearing people throwing out 3rd and 4th round picks with size. Are those the guys that are gonna lead this thing? Your top guys need size. So we’re looking at our top picks and prospects as Bedard, Nazar, Moore, Lardis, Boisvert, Vanacker. Is that the future top 6? Look at every teams top players. Barkov, Tkachuk etc. Big. Draisaitl -McDavid, Robertson- W Johnston, Mathews-Nylander, B Tkachuk-Stutzle, the list goes on and on. Gotta have size and skill almost all of those guys were drafted at the top of the board. I feel like Levshunov will be an Ekblad type. Probably a 3-4 dman. They could be had in free agency instead of a top draft pick. I hope I’m wrong. But it doesn’t look that great as of now. Way too many undersized guys. And to those who think it doesn’t matter, you e never played against a team of giants. There’s no room and they just physically push you around. This was the draft to signal the beginning of the end. I see more questions than answers. Too much uncertainty for having 8 gawd dam first round picks in 3 years!!! Hopefully KD makes some trades or free agency to get some size in. Nobody in the draft is a sure thing. Maybe KD is bringing in elite skating and skilled players via the draft and then will utilise cap space and trades to bring in size of already proven nhl players. Doneghey in his post draft interview said they value certain traits (skating, hockey IQ) and will not deviate from that, but said size is something they can get through trades and FA.
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Post by mvr on Jun 29, 2024 20:34:19 GMT -6
When we talk about what options Davidson had with pick two, we must be careful not to build theories on rumours.
We have heard that Montreal offered a package to move up. We know the Canadiens general manager attempted to trade up in the draft because he said so.
But we don't know what he offered. We don't know if it was anything resembling what the bloggers suggested. We do know the bloggers were completely out to lunch about the order at the top of the draft.
In the end, Davidson kept the pick rather than trade back. It wasn't the outcome I hoped for, but it all worked out. He found a different way to add another high pick. I'm ok with the end result. I'm thrilled with all three first round picks.
There are going to be more picks added in the coming months. Murphy will be a likely trade chip within a year. So will AA and Hall. There is still plenty of cap room to take on bad contracts and add additional futures.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 29, 2024 23:15:26 GMT -6
T gotta ask who out of KDs picks has taken a step back? I believe either pick last night could play a top 6 role neither are line generators but could play top 6. Let’s say Bedard wasn’t here. Would you still be enthusiastic about this rebuild? I know I wouldn’t. I think they have some NHL players here, but I don’t see the overall talent up front. And I hate hearing people throwing out 3rd and 4th round picks with size. Are those the guys that are gonna lead this thing? Your top guys need size. So we’re looking at our top picks and prospects as Bedard, Nazar, Moore, Lardis, Boisvert, Vanacker. Is that the future top 6? Look at every teams top players. Barkov, Tkachuk etc. Big. Draisaitl -McDavid, Robertson- W Johnston, Mathews-Nylander, B Tkachuk-Stutzle, the list goes on and on. Gotta have size and skill almost all of those guys were drafted at the top of the board. I feel like Levshunov will be an Ekblad type. Probably a 3-4 dman. They could be had in free agency instead of a top draft pick. I hope I’m wrong. But it doesn’t look that great as of now. Way too many undersized guys. And to those who think it doesn’t matter, you e never played against a team of giants. There’s no room and they just physically push you around. This was the draft to signal the beginning of the end. I see more questions than answers. Too much uncertainty for having 8 gawd dam first round picks in 3 years!!! Of the group you put out there they in total have won 1 cup. The bolts have 2 and go look at there size when they won the cups. I was not enthusiastic about the rebuild to start with I was told to trust the process. Size can be added we are stuck with KD but if you would like I will start the Kyle leave Chicago chants.
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