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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 3, 2019 16:37:10 GMT -6
I have to admit, I honestly can’t believe that the owner of this organization who spent millions and millions of dollars to get this team back from total darkness for many many years is sitting on his pardon the pun, his fat ass doing fuck all about the state of this team. As a fan I have enough of this bullshit. I will always be a die hard fan, but what I am witnessing is total nonsense from the heads of this organization. In the mid eighties when the team was on a total decline, I had high hopes, things can only get better, but the reality is, the current situation is way worse, things will only get worse before we see the light at the end of the tunnel. I will not spend another moment watching this amateur coach and clown as GM run this to the ground, until Stan and JC are gone I will be taking a break from this total shit show. After 11yrs of watching almost every game I had enough halfway through the 2nd Avs game. To watch them get 3 Cups then have this childish bs going on is ridiculous and Wirtz needs to clean house, get the Hunters. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 4, 2019 9:35:03 GMT -6
Hawks called up Gilbert, doesn't matter cause this team's a mess.
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 4, 2019 10:15:20 GMT -6
What a train wreck this team is becoming. Very sad to witness this and just think we won a Cup a few years ago... Yeah, it's sad to watch it all fall apart. I'll still watch every game as I have since the 80's but... damn. It was going to happen. We all knew since the day we drafted all the players that they would decline. I don't think we could have imagined the failure being this epic, though. Green coach so far out of his depth he needs water wings, assistant under investigation, the bulk of the team shooting so badly they couldn't hit the ground with their own urine stream, the team D a cluster****, the team O being carried by 1-2 players, the goalies needing to save over 35 shots/night on average, and a GM hell-bent to get out of daddy's shadow so he tried to be the smartest guy in the room. Trainwreck fascination...but on the other hand, unless we get into another Pulford/$Bill situation, rock bottom is close by, then the team can at least try to start rebuilding. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 4, 2019 12:11:44 GMT -6
Hawks called up Gilbert, doesn't matter cause this team's a mess. With Gilbert recalled, then that means Keith will not be going on this road trip. Also if Shaw and Strome are not ready, pre-flight decision according to JC, then why not suit up 7 Dmen and have Gus play a wing position? Then we don't have to watch his miserable defensive play. EDIT: I didn't see till now that Maatta is out with the flu. But I still like my idea. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Dec 4, 2019 12:53:52 GMT -6
Hawks called up Gilbert, doesn't matter cause this team's a mess. That's good. I think Gilbert is part of the future. |
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Post by squishy24 on Dec 4, 2019 13:27:51 GMT -6
Hawks called up Gilbert, doesn't matter cause this team's a mess. With Gilbert recalled, then that means Keith will not be going on this road trip.Also if Shaw and Strome are not ready, pre-flight decision according to JC, then why not suit up 7 Dmen and have Gus play a wing position? Then we don't have to watch his miserable defensive play. EDIT: I didn't see till now that Maatta is out with the flu. But I still like my idea. ^ yup
Shaw is out with concussion protocol. Strome and Caggiula will most likely be ready for tomorrow's game. Lehner back, Lankinen back to Rock. And if my memory serves me right, I thought I read somewhere that Nylander is back in L1 with Saad-Toews
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Post by Tater on Dec 4, 2019 13:31:27 GMT -6
^ yup
Shaw is out with concussion protocol. Strome and Caggiula will most likely be ready for tomorrow's game. Lehner back, Lankinen back to Rock. And if my memory serves me right, I thought I read somewhere that Nylander is back in L1 with Saad-Toews
Not happy to hear this.
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Post by squishy24 on Dec 4, 2019 13:39:40 GMT -6
^ yup
Shaw is out with concussion protocol. Strome and Caggiula will most likely be ready for tomorrow's game. Lehner back, Lankinen back to Rock. And if my memory serves me right, I thought I read somewhere that Nylander is back in L1 with Saad-Toews
Not happy to hear this.
at this moment, im ok with letting the kids play. give more icetime for everyone under 23. The Hawks need to get 4 pts every 3 games from here on out to end up at 99 pts in the standings. I doubt they'll make it. I think it would be more fun to watch to see the kids play more than the vets. With that said, I think its also time to check the market for the core and if they are willing to be moved. |
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Post by doogiew on Dec 4, 2019 17:42:37 GMT -6
at this moment, im ok with letting the kids play. give more icetime for everyone under 23. The Hawks need to get 4 pts every 3 games from here on out to end up at 99 pts in the standings. I doubt they'll make it. I think it would be more fun to watch to see the kids play more than the vets. With that said, I think its also time to check the market for the core and if they are willing to be moved. I agree with moving the core if they keep losing. The issue is WHO the hell can afford any of them other than Montreal and SB has never won a trade with Montreal. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 4, 2019 18:12:23 GMT -6
at this moment, im ok with letting the kids play. give more icetime for everyone under 23. The Hawks need to get 4 pts every 3 games from here on out to end up at 99 pts in the standings. I doubt they'll make it. I think it would be more fun to watch to see the kids play more than the vets. With that said, I think its also time to check the market for the core and if they are willing to be moved. I agree with moving the core if they keep losing. The issue is WHO the hell can afford any of them other than Montreal and SB has never won a trade with Montreal. D-Cat.  |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 5, 2019 11:05:23 GMT -6
at this moment, im ok with letting the kids play. give more icetime for everyone under 23. The Hawks need to get 4 pts every 3 games from here on out to end up at 99 pts in the standings. I doubt they'll make it. I think it would be more fun to watch to see the kids play more than the vets. With that said, I think its also time to check the market for the core and if they are willing to be moved. I agree with moving the core if they keep losing. The issue is WHO the hell can afford any of them other than Montreal and SB has never won a trade with Montreal. The other question is *can* they move any of them? Between NMC's and Recapture were somewhat stuck. Aside from the raw cost of some of the guys if, say, Seabrook (since his name is bandied around a lot) doesn't want to waive, he doesn't have to--and he's either played or pressboxed and he gets paid either way. Bowman dug his own grave, now he has to lie in it. |
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Post by doogiew on Dec 5, 2019 15:41:04 GMT -6
I agree with moving the core if they keep losing. The issue is WHO the hell can afford any of them other than Montreal and SB has never won a trade with Montreal. D-Cat. One thing I believe in reference to the Cat is that his value will ever be higher I don't think he is a consistent 40-50 goal player and his price is right. However Bowman would only **** that up to. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 5, 2019 16:38:21 GMT -6
D-Cat. One thing I believe in reference to the Cat is that his value will ever be higher I don't think he is a consistent 40-50 goal player and his price is right. However Bowman would only **** that up to. El Gato was shooting above 14% last year...right now he's at about 6.5%. If he shoots ~10-12% (Toews on the career is ~14%--and his % is really low, as well) high 30's with peaks into 40's is not unheard of. Some were saying El Gato's conversion rate last year was untenable. This year I think it's the same in the opposite direction. Unless the kid needs prescription eyewear his % should increase--you don't stumble into a 40 goal year. |
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Post by squishy24 on Dec 6, 2019 12:26:46 GMT -6
One thing I believe in reference to the Cat is that his value will ever be higher I don't think he is a consistent 40-50 goal player and his price is right. However Bowman would only **** that up to. El Gato was shooting above 14% last year...right now he's at about 6.5%. If he shoots ~10-12% (Toews on the career is ~14%--and his % is really low, as well) high 30's with peaks into 40's is not unheard of. Some were saying El Gato's conversion rate last year was untenable. This year I think it's the same in the opposite direction. Unless the kid needs prescription eyewear his % should increase-- you don't stumble into a 40 goal year.^ sometimes you do, remember Cheechoo? (hey that rhymes)
but yea, Cat will be fine
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Post by squishy24 on Dec 6, 2019 12:29:44 GMT -6
I agree with moving the core if they keep losing. The issue is WHO the hell can afford any of them other than Montreal and SB has never won a trade with Montreal. Between NMC's and Recapture were somewhat stuck. Aside from the raw cost of some of the guys if, say, Seabrook (since his name is bandied around a lot) doesn't want to waive, he doesn't have to--and he's either played or pressboxed and he gets paid either way. Bowman dug his own grave, now he has to lie in it. ^ to follow up on your question, lets say they do waive their NMCs and are willing to be moved, what kind of return would you be willing to accept? Kane will get the best return, but to me, they shouldn't move him even if the team IS rebuilding. (but of course, he might want to be out if that happens) |
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Post by LordKOTL on Dec 6, 2019 13:15:06 GMT -6
The other question is *can* they move any of them?Between NMC's and Recapture were somewhat stuck. Aside from the raw cost of some of the guys if, say, Seabrook (since his name is bandied around a lot) doesn't want to waive, he doesn't have to--and he's either played or pressboxed and he gets paid either way. Bowman dug his own grave, now he has to lie in it. ^ to follow up on your question, lets say they do waive their NMCs and are willing to be moved, what kind of return would you be willing to accept? Kane will get the best return, but to me, they shouldn't move him even if the team IS rebuilding. (but of course, he might want to be out if that happens) Depends on the player and what they actually bring onto the ice. On the high-side Kane could and would demand a King's ransom. He's been the de facto franchise player since 2016 and the O-driver. On the low side is Seabrook.He's a tweener making top pairing money until 2024. I think the best we could hope for is an equivanent cap dump coming back. The other skaters in-between would be at or less than their current cap hit. Unfortunatley that means that the quality coming back would be less than what they gave. i.e. Keith has been playing well this year and may be able to fetch a 5M D-man coming back, but a 5M d-man is someone like aged Hjalmarsson, not a Norris-calibre D-man. And as much as this truth might hurt some, there's no way Toews would command 10.5M worth of assets back--he just hasn't brought it irrespective of the reason. We'll be taking a hit in quality of player or some dead cap coming back. Crawford is, like most goalies, an interesting case. Her has pedigree but injury history that has caused concerns about consistancy (for one of the most consistant goalies since 2015). Plus, goalie moves tend to not bring back much because there's only like 62-64 positions in the league total. Couple that with his deal expiring this year, and the best we could hope for is a TDL move for prospects/pciks IMHO...but then again, why would a team go after Crawford when they can try to blag Lehner--who might command a better return? Honestly though, I think Keith and Toews are here until the deal's up--and that's okay. I don't know if we could get a break-even move on them considering what I suspect their play will be like for the duration. We can manage them until/unless the bottom falls out. Kane--you don't move--IMHO he's is the wily vet you bring in to get the next gen going. The only one I would say cut our losses on is Seabrook, and in that case the only criteria I have is that the cap situation works out in our favor in all time-wise terms--i.e no ditching him for a 2-year dead cap contract for 8M, and no ditching him for a contract beyond Seabrook's current deal. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 6, 2019 13:57:06 GMT -6
Keith and Shaw were placed on the IR, retroactive Nov 29th and 30th.
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 6, 2019 14:21:34 GMT -6
Keith and Shaw were placed on the IR, retroactive Nov 29th and 30th. Now they can bring up the savior, Dylan Sikura.............  |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Dec 6, 2019 15:07:00 GMT -6
Keith and Shaw were placed on the IR, retroactive Nov 29th and 30th. Now they can bring up the savior, Dylan Sikura............. While the masses yearn for Dylan Sikura to save this team, I think that it's going to be Hagel getting the call. |
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Post by tincup on Dec 6, 2019 15:30:38 GMT -6
Keith and Shaw were placed on the IR, retroactive Nov 29th and 30th. Now they can bring up the savior, Dylan Sikura............. Do they need anybody with Wedin up and Strome back? I like Wedin's game, he seemed effective in his few minutes. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Dec 6, 2019 16:28:17 GMT -6
Now they can bring up the savior, Dylan Sikura............. Do they need anybody with Wedin up and Strome back? I like Wedin's game, he seemed effective in his few minutes. They are down to 12 forwards without Shaw. I'd be curious to see Hagel on Toews line. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 6, 2019 17:13:07 GMT -6
Do they need anybody with Wedin up and Strome back? I like Wedin's game, he seemed effective in his few minutes. They are down to 12 forwards without Shaw. I'd be curious to see Hagel on Toews line. Or Quenneville, they looked good together in the preseason. I really like Hagel though, I started a Hagel thread on the old Hawks boards and he looks like a solid 2way forward with great instincts and hands around the net. |
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Post by tincup on Dec 6, 2019 20:55:37 GMT -6
They are down to 12 forwards without Shaw. I'd be curious to see Hagel on Toews line. Or Quenneville, they looked good together in the preseason. I really like Hagel though, I started a Hagel thread on the old Hawks boards and he looks like a solid 2way forward with great instincts and hands around the net. Quenneville is intriguing. I’d like to see him up and with Kampf and then give Kubalik an entire game on Toews right side. Hagel is getting a handle on the pro game it seems. If he continues to grow he’d make for a nice call up later. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 8, 2019 9:21:02 GMT -6
Dylan Sikura recalled from Rocford…...onward and upward my friends! HEY...….JT could get a new linemate!LOFL!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 8, 2019 9:33:45 GMT -6
Or Quenneville, they looked good together in the preseason. I really like Hagel though, I started a Hagel thread on the old Hawks boards and he looks like a solid 2way forward with great instincts and hands around the net. Quenneville is intriguing. I’d like to see him up and with Kampf and then give Kubalik an entire game on Toews right side. Hagel is getting a handle on the pro game it seems. If he continues to grow he’d make for a nice call up later. Exactly, this is Hagels first year pro, let him get some experience. Q has proved he can score and he's healthy, he should be one of the first call ups, not this time though. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 8, 2019 9:34:30 GMT -6
Dylan Sikura recalled from Rocford…...onward and upward my friends! HEY...….JT could get a new linemate!LOFL!!! I threw up a little when I read Wedin is sent down and Sikura is up. He hasn't proved he can play in the NHL so he better not get a top6 spot. Stick him with Smith and Carpenter. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 8, 2019 9:49:29 GMT -6
Dylan Sikura recalled from Rocford…...onward and upward my friends! HEY...….JT could get a new linemate!LOFL!!! I threw up a little when I read Wedin is sent down and Sikura is up. He hasn't proved he can play in the NHL so he better not get a top6 spot. Stick him with Smith and Carpenter. You've been wanting to see Dach with JT and Saad since the year started and I agree but don't be surprised if we see more of the 'Sikura experiment'! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 8, 2019 10:02:55 GMT -6
Maybe Tyler will show up instead.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 8, 2019 10:05:34 GMT -6
I threw up a little when I read Wedin is sent down and Sikura is up. He hasn't proved he can play in the NHL so he better not get a top6 spot. Stick him with Smith and Carpenter. You've been wanting to see Dach with JT and Saad since the year started and I agree but don't be surprised if we see more of the 'Sikura experiment'! If he's put with JT I guess they want to tank for a high pick, I know BigT would like that but I hate seeing Toews and Kanes careers have another wasted year. I hope Sikura is on the bottom 6 and he's only called up because Montreal wants him in a package for Gus 🤞 |
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Post by BigT on Dec 8, 2019 10:20:07 GMT -6
You've been wanting to see Dach with JT and Saad since the year started and I agree but don't be surprised if we see more of the 'Sikura experiment'! If he's put with JT I guess they want to tank for a high pick, I know BigT would like that but I hate seeing Toews and Kanes careers have another wasted year. I hope Sikura is on the bottom 6 and he's only called up because Montreal wants him in a package for Gus 🤞 I’ve said this before. It’s either Stan really is this dumb, or he has the reigns to tank this team and build it up his way. I really don’t think he’s tanking, why spend to the cap limit if you’re tanking? I feel he truly believes that guys like Sikura are good and playing with Toews and Kane they look better. This team will never get better with decisions like this one. I also hate wasting their careers, but we have to think that their careers are over here. Unfortunately, we’ll see more of the same moves which will end in the same results. The coaching is awful, the roster moves are awful and the core 4 have to carry a bag of sht again. Anyone who “recalls” Sikura should seriously be out of a job. This is NOT funny anymore!!! |
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