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Post by BigT on Jan 12, 2020 15:16:17 GMT -6
Too often, star goalies decline quickly after signing big contracts. We have been down this road before with both Huet and Khabibulin. Price and Quick are not what they were, but both carry enormous contracts. Would Tallon like to turn back the clock on the contract he gave out last summer? Perhaps. Instead of re-signing Lehner long term, the more prudent approach would be to offer Crawford a short (one or two year) deal at $2.5 M/year. Then sign a quality backup over the summer, or promote a Rockford goalie. Georgiev is on the market, according to Elliote Friedman. Would the Rangers take Sikura for him? I think it’s best to offer CC a one year deal at 3 million. Try out Lankinen with him. Trade everything around the edges and in three years we’ll have no huge contracts to contend with and start with a total blank canvas and a ton of prospects and good young players 25 and under. We need a couple more down years, we’ve already had 2. And now we can have 2 more for 4 years down total and watch it come back to life!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 14, 2020 11:56:38 GMT -6
Too often, star goalies decline quickly after signing big contracts. We have been down this road before with both Huet and Khabibulin. Price and Quick are not what they were, but both carry enormous contracts. Would Tallon like to turn back the clock on the contract he gave out last summer? Perhaps. Instead of re-signing Lehner long term, the more prudent approach would be to offer Crawford a short (one or two year) deal at $2.5 M/year. Then sign a quality backup over the summer, or promote a Rockford goalie. Georgiev is on the market, according to Elliote Friedman. Would the Rangers take Sikura for him? I think it’s best to offer CC a one year deal at 3 million. Try out Lankinen with him. Trade everything around the edges and in three years we’ll have no huge contracts to contend with and start with a total blank canvas and a ton of prospects and good young players 25 and under. We need a couple more down years, we’ve already had 2. And now we can have 2 more for 4 years down total and watch it come back to life!!! Hell no, I love Crow and what he's done for the Hawks but let him go to a contender and get some assets. Scott Powers reported that Lehner wants 7-8 million, exactly what I said would be a fair amount, offer him 3-4yrs and lock him up. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 14, 2020 17:39:56 GMT -6
I think it’s best to offer CC a one year deal at 3 million. Try out Lankinen with him. Trade everything around the edges and in three years we’ll have no huge contracts to contend with and start with a total blank canvas and a ton of prospects and good young players 25 and under. We need a couple more down years, we’ve already had 2. And now we can have 2 more for 4 years down total and watch it come back to life!!! Hell no, I love Crow and what he's done for the Hawks but let him go to a contender and get some assets. Scott Powers reported that Lehner wants 7-8 million, exactly what I said would be a fair amount, offer him 3-4yrs and lock him up. [br Lehner just keeps us mediocre. I’d rather tank. Get the picks we need to move on. It’s over, we have to admit it. Keep CC around to mentor a young guy like Lankinen, and start building from within...... the right way. No use getting guys in their prime right now. Whether we like it or not, we got 2-3 years of growing pains, so why get Lehner for 3-4 years? And if you were Lehner, would you take a 3-4 year deal? If he stays here, he wants 8 years. If he leaves he’ll want 7 years. This is his last time to cash in like this. I can’t see him taking a low term deal!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 14, 2020 18:46:42 GMT -6
Hell no, I love Crow and what he's done for the Hawks but let him go to a contender and get some assets. Scott Powers reported that Lehner wants 7-8 million, exactly what I said would be a fair amount, offer him 3-4yrs and lock him up. [br Lehner just keeps us mediocre. I’d rather tank. Get the picks we need to move on. It’s over, we have to admit it. Keep CC around to mentor a young guy like Lankinen, and start building from within...... the right way. No use getting guys in their prime right now. Whether we like it or not, we got 2-3 years of growing pains, so why get Lehner for 3-4 years? And if you were Lehner, would you take a 3-4 year deal? If he stays here, he wants 8 years. If he leaves he’ll want 7 years. This is his last time to cash in like this. I can’t see him taking a low term deal!!! Yeah you've been saying that for a couple years now, you wanna tank to get high picks, they're nice to have but I'd rather see Bowman gone and have a GM turn this back around and stop wasting more years from Toews and Kane. With a real GM and coach this team isn't years away. I guess we'll see what happens, if he does want 7-8yrs at 7-8mill, I'd pass, but he might take 4. |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 14, 2020 19:37:18 GMT -6
I feel pretty confident that he is gonna want money and term on his next contract. 4yrs at 7-8 seems fair. We'll see how it plays out. I don't think he takes a deal less than max length, but as you said, we shall see! |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 14, 2020 19:38:24 GMT -6
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 5, 2020 9:26:55 GMT -6
Too often, star goalies decline quickly after signing big contracts. We have been down this road before with both Huet and Khabibulin. Price and Quick are not what they were, but both carry enormous contracts. Would Tallon like to turn back the clock on the contract he gave out last summer? Perhaps. Instead of re-signing Lehner long term, the more prudent approach would be to offer Crawford a short (one or two year) deal at $2.5 M/year. Then sign a quality backup over the summer, or promote a Rockford goalie. Georgiev is on the market, according to Elliote Friedman. Would the Rangers take Sikura for him? I think it’s best to offer CC a one year deal at 3 million. Try out Lankinen with him. Trade everything around the edges and in three years we’ll have no huge contracts to contend with and start with a total blank canvas and a ton of prospects and good young players 25 and under. We need a couple more down years, we’ve already had 2. And now we can have 2 more for 4 years down total and watch it come back to life!!! I could deal with either keeping Lehner as the guy in net or keeping Crawford and giving guys like Lankinen a bonafied shot as taking over the reins. The problem I see is that Stan might screw everything else up. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 5, 2020 13:37:40 GMT -6
4yrs at 7-8 seems fair. We'll see how it plays out. I don't think he takes a deal less than max length, but as you said, we shall see! Lehner is different so who knows exactly what he wants, I just hope he's realistic and takes shorter deal, even a 5yr deal will pay him till he's 33. Crow's 35, yes he still looks good but I'd move him to a contender, go with the bigger younger guy with a good career save percentage. |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 5, 2020 14:40:41 GMT -6
Too often, star goalies decline quickly after signing big contracts. We have been down this road before with both Huet and Khabibulin. Price and Quick are not what they were, but both carry enormous contracts. Would Tallon like to turn back the clock on the contract he gave out last summer? Perhaps. Instead of re-signing Lehner long term, the more prudent approach would be to offer Crawford a short (one or two year) deal at $2.5 M/year. Then sign a quality backup over the summer, or promote a Rockford goalie. Georgiev is on the market, according to Elliote Friedman. Would the Rangers take Sikura for him?^ probably need to add at least a 2nd rounder. If the Rangers GM is competent, he'll pick the highest bidder. Lots of team wants a young promising goalie that doesn't have a high caphit. If SB is going that way, maybe ask to add Lias Andersson too |
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Post by BigT on Feb 7, 2020 10:24:12 GMT -6
I don't think he takes a deal less than max length, but as you said, we shall see! Lehner is different so who knows exactly what he wants, I just hope he's realistic and takes shorter deal, even a 5yr deal will pay him till he's 33. Crow's 35, yes he still looks good but I'd move him to a contender, go with the bigger younger guy with a good career save percentage. I know as Hawks fans we’d love to see a guy take less term and money. But chances are that he will take an 8 year deal here, and a 7 year deal elsewhere. We know this cuz he said it. So I don’t think there’s much room anymore for hopeful thinking on this front. I’d love for him to take a 3 year deal at 5.5. But that’s not gonna happen. That’s why it’s best to trade him and give Lankinen a shot!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Feb 7, 2020 11:30:37 GMT -6
Lehner is different so who knows exactly what he wants, I just hope he's realistic and takes shorter deal, even a 5yr deal will pay him till he's 33. Crow's 35, yes he still looks good but I'd move him to a contender, go with the bigger younger guy with a good career save percentage. I know as Hawks fans we’d love to see a guy take less term and money. But chances are that he will take an 8 year deal here, and a 7 year deal elsewhere. We know this cuz he said it. So I don’t think there’s much room anymore for hopeful thinking on this front. I’d love for him to take a 3 year deal at 5.5. But that’s not gonna happen. That’s why it’s best to trade him and give Lankinen a shot!!! 3yrs at 5.5 would be great but I was thinking 5yrs at 7.5-8, it might be enough, if not, then of course trade him and hope Stan doesn't screw it up. It's not everyday though you have a huge viking in net in his prime, it'll be hard to see him go but I hope he doesn't. If Lehner is gone I'm ok with signing Crow for 1yr and letting Lankinen, and whoever else is at camp next year, battle it out for the backup job and hopefully future #1 spot. |
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Post by squishy24 on Feb 7, 2020 12:00:48 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised if SB sign Lehner at 8x8. Hopefully SB can convince Lehner to sign at a lesser caphit or shorter term. Unfortunately, SB might think that he NEEDS to sign Lehner. His job is on the line (if he is not fired this offseason). He (and everyone) can see that goaltending is the reason why the current Hawks team are even thinking about play-offs. I doubt he risk next year's goaltending to an older CC and fresh Lankinen.
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Post by BigT on Feb 7, 2020 14:05:05 GMT -6
I’ve heard from a very reliable person that Seabs is probably done. The Hawks have the paper trail now, and if he retired, there could be absolutely no consequences due to it. First off he signed the deal before the age of 35. Secondly if anyone questioned it, they have the paper trail now of surgeries. So I think you’ll see Seabs in the front office soon or on the bench. This isn’t a Hossa situation, so it sounds like the Hawks will be out from that contract!!!
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Post by Tater on Feb 8, 2020 2:57:02 GMT -6
I’ve heard from a very reliable person that Seabs is probably done. The Hawks have the paper trail now, and if he retired, there could be absolutely no consequences due to it. First off he signed the deal before the age of 35. Secondly if anyone questioned it, they have the paper trail now of surgeries. So I think you’ll see Seabs in the front office soon or on the bench. This isn’t a Hossa situation, so it sounds like the Hawks will be out from that contract!!! It would be great to see him stay within the org in some role. Can that Swedish assistant coach and let Seabs jump in. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 8, 2020 7:47:31 GMT -6
I’ve heard from a very reliable person that Seabs is probably done. The Hawks have the paper trail now, and if he retired, there could be absolutely no consequences due to it. First off he signed the deal before the age of 35. Secondly if anyone questioned it, they have the paper trail now of surgeries. So I think you’ll see Seabs in the front office soon or on the bench. This isn’t a Hossa situation, so it sounds like the Hawks will be out from that contract!!! It would be great to see him stay within the org in some role. Can that Swedish assistant coach and let Seabs jump in. Then you'd have to fire Brookbank, the legend. He's the defensive coach. |
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Post by Tater on Feb 8, 2020 12:01:55 GMT -6
It would be great to see him stay within the org in some role. Can that Swedish assistant coach and let Seabs jump in. Then you'd have to fire Brookbank, the legend. He's the defensive coach. Good point.
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 8, 2020 13:22:07 GMT -6
I’ve heard from a very reliable person that Seabs is probably done. The Hawks have the paper trail now, and if he retired, there could be absolutely no consequences due to it. First off he signed the deal before the age of 35. Secondly if anyone questioned it, they have the paper trail now of surgeries. So I think you’ll see Seabs in the front office soon or on the bench. This isn’t a Hossa situation, so it sounds like the Hawks will be out from that contract!!! I would assume Pronger'ed at this point, and not straight retirement. I question whether he'd leave the money on the table unless there's a backroom deal or if his wife put her foot down and said his ass is staying in Chicago. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Feb 12, 2020 18:22:21 GMT -6
Last night's game against the Oilers was kind of meh on Lerner's part, and as the Hawk's chances of making playoffs are dwindling, it would make sense to shop Lerner. With any luck Corey can last another two years, and if the Hawks are competitive again, they can start thinking about their goalie prospects. They won their first cup with an average goalie performance.
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Post by vadarx on Feb 12, 2020 19:42:36 GMT -6
imo, Lehner hasn't been that good his last couple starts. the fact that Crow got 3 of the first 4 after the break makes me wonder if he is working through something.
regardless, a few more losses and he is gonna be someone we definitely move at the deadline.
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 12, 2020 19:58:36 GMT -6
maybe why crow's getting more starts lately?
and why lehner's game's been off a bit?
just speculating.
maybe one is a product of the other.
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Post by vadarx on Feb 12, 2020 20:46:24 GMT -6
maybe why crow's getting more starts lately? and why lehner's game's been off a bit? just speculating. maybe one is a product of the other. yeah, I figured he would wanna try out free agency again. he wants to get paid and I doubt we want to give him more than what Crow is making. kinda have been figuring on Crow being the guy again next season unless we made a big run behind Lehner. guess we will see. like I said, a few more losses in the next week and a half and he is gonna be very much in demand at the deadline. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Feb 12, 2020 21:07:18 GMT -6
yeah, I figured he would wanna try out free agency again. he wants to get paid and I doubt we want to give him more than what Crow is making. kinda have been figuring on Crow being the guy again next season unless we made a big run behind Lehner. guess we will see. like I said, a few more losses in the next week and a half and he is gonna be very much in demand at the deadline. still a very fluid situation but i'm starting to lean that way myself. |
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Post by shooter 61 on Feb 12, 2020 21:36:16 GMT -6
only thing that scares me, is good Goalies on't grow on trees ,and he looks like he could be a great one,
but looking at the rebuild , what happens if crow gets hurt, like last year, when we didn't have someone to replace him , that would give us a hell of a draft pick, I hope stan doesn't low ball him , and gives him what he's worth what ever that is, I think 7 mill for 6 years would be a starting point,
crow still has his NMC I think, so not as easy to trade
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Post by Tater on Feb 13, 2020 3:53:53 GMT -6
only thing that scares me, is good Goalies on't grow on trees ,and he looks like he could be a great one, but looking at the rebuild , what happens if crow gets hurt, like last year, when we didn't have someone to replace him , that would give us a hell of a draft pick, I hope stan doesn't low ball him , and gives him what he's worth what ever that is, I think 7 mill for 6 years would be a starting point, crow still has his NMC I think, so not as easy to trade
I believe his contract is up after this year. NMC wouldn't apply.
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 13, 2020 8:17:13 GMT -6
only thing that scares me, is good Goalies on't grow on trees ,and he looks like he could be a great one, but looking at the rebuild , what happens if crow gets hurt, like last year, when we didn't have someone to replace him , that would give us a hell of a draft pick, I hope stan doesn't low ball him , and gives him what he's worth what ever that is, I think 7 mill for 6 years would be a starting point, crow still has his NMC I think, so not as easy to trade This year it's a M-NTC-NMC |
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Post by shooter61 on Feb 13, 2020 9:09:22 GMT -6
so according to cap friendly he has 10 teams he can be traded too, think Stan should get on that, put the word out that we are sellers
I don't think we should trade Saad , looking at whats out there for 6 mil it does't look like a bad deal
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Post by T-man2010 on Feb 13, 2020 9:15:28 GMT -6
so according to cap friendly he has 10 teams he can be traded too, think Stan should get on that, put the word out that we are sellers I don't think we should trade Saad , looking at whats out there for 6 mil it does't look like a bad deal Here's the thing, if a team knows they are on that list and the Hawks need to trade him, those teams won't offer much. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 13, 2020 9:53:20 GMT -6
maybe why crow's getting more starts lately? and why lehner's game's been off a bit? just speculating. maybe one is a product of the other. yeah, I figured he would wanna try out free agency again. he wants to get paid and I doubt we want to give him more than what Crow is making. kinda have been figuring on Crow being the guy again next season unless we made a big run behind Lehner. guess we will see. like I said, a few more losses in the next week and a half and he is gonna be very much in demand at the deadline. One thing on this that doesn't make sense. Lehner reportedly doesn't want a sweetheart deal (for the team). Ergo--he'd want maximum cap and duration. Why would he let his game get off? Seriously: He's been doing all of the right things. He's basically held it together splendidly on a team that has virtually no team D and is relying on 2-3 guys for consistent O. His numbers are up there. The proof is all but in the pudding: Here's a guy who is tight as a drum in the net and can backstop and bail the team out when your Team D decides not to show up. Up until the ASG he was proving to be *the* hot UFA goalie commodity. If he would keep that up he's essentially holding all of the negotiating cards...because you know *someone* will pay him--and beyond that the better he plays the more he'll be in demand at the TDL if things are indeed going south between him and the 'hawks. |
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Post by vadarx on Feb 13, 2020 11:45:17 GMT -6
that is a fair question. I have kinda wondered if maybe he was working through something, myself. or maybe he is just having a run of lesser starts. happens to every goalie.
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Post by LordKOTL on Feb 13, 2020 11:54:48 GMT -6
that is a fair question. I have kinda wondered if maybe he was working through something, myself. or maybe he is just having a run of lesser starts. happens to every goalie. I think that's the actual scenario--either just a funky run or has something lingering. I don't think it's anything beyond that |
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