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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 8, 2024 8:21:48 GMT -6
I'm not going to concern myself with wins/loses this year.
I want to see individual improvement from the kids which
should translate to slightly better team record.
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 8, 2024 21:10:12 GMT -6
As the eternal optimist, I'm thinking they will squeak into the playoffs this season. Assuming no major injuries to any of their key players. Last year I predicted the same thing and got em handed to me. lol.
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Post by ukhawk on Jul 9, 2024 4:52:47 GMT -6
28-44-10 for 66 points
Hopefully see some progression in the younger players coming through, like we saw with Vlasic last season. I would love to see some of them that start in Rockford give the front office a headache by starting really well. Then see what front office do with the 'plan'.
I want Reichel to take control of his game and get that starting slot.
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Post by Nikos on Jul 9, 2024 6:52:51 GMT -6
For 2024-2025 season
31-38-13=75 points
Significant improvement, but no playoffs. Murphy is hurt again, Bedard 90 points (37 goals & 53 assists)
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 9, 2024 7:10:03 GMT -6
wasn't sure we'd get here this quick but what do i know. : )
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Post by BigT on Jul 9, 2024 7:30:14 GMT -6
I will say the team starts out slow. A lot of turnover and new faces. Gonna take the coaches a bit to figure things out. I do believe they’ll put her together and go on a tear. I’m saying……
36-40-6
I think somewhere between 75-80 points. I think they’ve got enough staff on hand to overcome injuries. I feel playoffs won’t happen. And they’ll claw their way back in to the race as the season goes on.
The only issue? If this team can’t do it, how can a team full of rookies the year after do it? The team loaded with 5/6 rookies will most definitely take a step back. Sometimes it’s good to get that out of the way now. I would have sent Arty back to school, then the AHL.
I have no problem with Nazar doing time in the AHL or even Slaggert. But I feel Dach will be ready. 4 years in Jrs, a year in the AHL. He’s pretty much ready to go. If he’s back down there for another year, it won’t kill him. But a bottom 6 role could be good to start off. Can’t bring all the kids in at one time. So keep a couple this year. Lessen the blow!!!
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Post by hsbob on Jul 9, 2024 7:37:06 GMT -6
I'm not going to concern myself with wins/loses this year. I want to see individual improvement from the kids which should translate to slightly better team record. For the Hawks or the Hogs? |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 9, 2024 9:09:33 GMT -6
I'm not going to concern myself with wins/loses this year. I want to see individual improvement from the kids which should translate to slightly better team record. For the Hawks or the Hogs? Both actually. The Hogs were not to bad last year despite all the shuffling between Rockford and Chicago for a lot of the kids. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 9, 2024 9:55:07 GMT -6
Pain.
Not as much as last year.
I think we'll be somewhere close to 10th worst. Bedard and Classic continue their trajectory. Combined with better personnel.
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Post by squishy24 on Jul 9, 2024 11:22:55 GMT -6
I will say the team starts out slow. A lot of turnover and new faces. Gonna take the coaches a bit to figure things out. I do believe they’ll put her together and go on a tear. I’m saying…… 36-40-6 I think somewhere between 75-80 points. I think they’ve got enough staff on hand to overcome injuries. I feel playoffs won’t happen. And they’ll claw their way back in to the race as the season goes on. The only issue? If this team can’t do it, how can a team full of rookies the year after do it? The team loaded with 5/6 rookies will most definitely take a step back. Sometimes it’s good to get that out of the way now. I would have sent Arty back to school, then the AHL. I have no problem with Nazar doing time in the AHL or even Slaggert. But I feel Dach will be ready. 4 years in Jrs, a year in the AHL. He’s pretty much ready to go. If he’s back down there for another year, it won’t kill him. But a bottom 6 role could be good to start off. Can’t bring all the kids in at one time. So keep a couple this year. Lessen the blow!!! I think they might get around 35-37 wins |
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Post by puterwiz62 on Jul 9, 2024 12:40:37 GMT -6
I expect the team to get around 75 points and still finish with a top ten pick and maybe a top five pick. Big difference in the team for 2024/2025 than it was last year and the big plus is that now with some decent veterans, all the prospects and rookis will have to prove themselves to get a spot on the Hawks. We have seen over and over again in the past how devestating it is to prospects/rookies to play them on the Hwks before they are truly NHL ready. At least now, the prospects will not be rushed and will be playing where they need to be to develop their game. Korchinksi was rushed last year and had a horrible year. Not only was he rushed but also the disasters he had to play with. One year in Rockford will no doubt do wonders for him.
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Post by BigT on Jul 9, 2024 13:06:00 GMT -6
Pain. Not as much as last year. I think we'll be somewhere close to 10th worst. Bedard and Classic continue their trajectory. Combined with better personnel. 10th worst was NJ with 81. Buffalo was 11th worst at 84 points. So that’s right on pare with 35+ wins. However, they still gotta go out and do it. Coaches should be on notice too. I get it, they’re in the middle of a rebuild, but terrible results cannot be tolerated any more!!! |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jul 9, 2024 13:43:57 GMT -6
I'm onboard with the "they will be improved" train but my guess is a more modest improvement than many of you are predicting.
I think the goaltending should be better with the addition of Brossoit replacing Soderblom's 32 games and 0.880 save percentage but will we get another healthy season from Mrazek?
The addition by subtraction of Tinordi, Megna and Zaitsev should result in better defensive coverage but the specter of Murphy's ability and availability is ever looming.
The offensive output should improve with a better and deeper forward group but I doubt they will go from worst to top half of the league.
My prediction is a 14 point improvement going from 52 points up to 66 points.
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Post by vadarx on Jul 9, 2024 14:30:41 GMT -6
I'm gonna say 32-45-5. 69 points, but I'm gonna say we win more than we lose in OT games this season.
still probably land a top 5ish pick, but I think there will be a lot of close losses.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jul 9, 2024 15:45:05 GMT -6
I am going to say: 34-36-12 (80pts).
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 9, 2024 19:10:39 GMT -6
I'm gonna say 32-45-5. 69 points, but I'm gonna say we win more than we lose in OT games this season. still probably land a top 5ish pick, but I think there will be a lot of close losses. same as steamer? |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 9, 2024 19:49:54 GMT -6
I'm gonna say 32-45-5. 69 points, but I'm gonna say we win more than we lose in OT games this season. still probably land a top 5ish pick, but I think there will be a lot of close losses. same as steamer? I'll let him pick his own numbers for this season. 😉 |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 10, 2024 6:11:36 GMT -6
agree or not i'd say many here would say this generally sums it up nicely. Before we can confidently project the #Blackhawks record for the 2024-2025 season, let's go through the areas that the team will likely improve or regress this upcoming season:
LIKELY IMPROVEMENTS:
- They actually have other Top 6 role players, so Bedard will have real linemates. Speaking of which...
- Year 2 Bedard > Rookie Bedard
- PP1 will have Bertuzzi and/or Teuvo instead of Tyler Johnson
- Bottom 6 leadership and depth
- Martinez, Brodie > Megna, Tinordi
- Laurent Brossoit > Arvid Soderblom
- General health of the team
POSSIBLE IMPROVEMENTS:
- Will Lukas Reichel have a decent full season? Please?!
- Kaiser could show improvement and Del Mastro may make the NHL to solidify the bottom pairing
- Korchinski, Nazar, Slaggert progression (though they could play significant time in the AHL)
- Taylor Hall's health (although he only has one full 82 game season in his entire career, and has been extremely injury prone for two seasons now)
- Vlasic may develop some strength this offseason, adding an extra layer to his defensive game
LIKELY REGRESSION:
- Jason Dickinson's 2023 play, especially his offensive output, is a huge career outlier and is likely to regress
- Petr Mrazek (he saved 1.6 goals above expected across 56 appearances, which is way better than his career numbers, AND he stayed healthy all season)x.com/RinksideGM/status/1810917381746651620 |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 10, 2024 7:36:36 GMT -6
I'm gonna say 32-45-5. 69 points, but I'm gonna say we win more than we lose in OT games this season. still probably land a top 5ish pick, but I think there will be a lot of close losses. I see what you did there Shoreses Ill owe my woman 1 and go with 68. 31-45-6 Gonna still be a long year but there is no way they can be worse than last year is there. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 10, 2024 8:09:50 GMT -6
I'm gonna say 32-45-5. 69 points, but I'm gonna say we win more than we lose in OT games this season. still probably land a top 5ish pick, but I think there will be a lot of close losses. I see what you did there Shoreses Ill owe my woman 1 and go with 68. 31-45-6 Gonna still be a long year but there is no way they can be worse than last year is there. Wasn’t last year the worst they’ve ever had? So that is why I see a massive improvement. Not because I wanna sound like a homer. But it’s actually hard to be that bad. And the Hawks weren’t even the worst! There’s always surprises each year. I believe the Blues, Wild , Hawks, Yotes all miss the playoffs. Dallas, Colorado, Jets, Nashville all get in. But I feel the Jets could take a step back this year. But, the Hawks will be the only team with mass improvement!!! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 10, 2024 10:38:01 GMT -6
As some other posters indicated, the Hawk record is not that important, but seeing good years from the youngsters who stick around with the Hawks is very important. As for the Hogs, with all the supposed talent laden young guys the parent club will dump on Rockford, they better perform really well, or that bright future will get dimmer. It will be hard to come up with excuses for recent draft picks who don't shine in Rockford. After all, they will be playing in the AHL, not the NHL.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 10, 2024 10:39:24 GMT -6
I see what you did there Shoreses Ill owe my woman 1 and go with 68. 31-45-6 Gonna still be a long year but there is no way they can be worse than last year is there. Wasn’t last year the worst they’ve ever had? So that is why I see a massive improvement. Not because I wanna sound like a homer. But it’s actually hard to be that bad. And the Hawks weren’t even the worst! There’s always surprises each year. I believe the Blues, Wild , Hawks, Yotes all miss the playoffs. Dallas, Colorado, Jets, Nashville all get in. But I feel the Jets could take a step back this year. But, the Hawks will be the only team with mass improvement!!! Hawks finished 25 pts. less than the Yotes last year. Even if the Hawks improve 5-8 wins, they still be in the division cellar. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 10, 2024 11:24:23 GMT -6
Pain. Not as much as last year. I think we'll be somewhere close to 10th worst. Bedard and Classic continue their trajectory. Combined with better personnel. 10th worst was NJ with 81. Buffalo was 11th worst at 84 points. So that’s right on pare with 35+ wins. However, they still gotta go out and do it. Coaches should be on notice too. I get it, they’re in the middle of a rebuild, but terrible results cannot be tolerated any more!!! I agree on the coaches. If we can jettison Yawney and Savard, we should be able to jettison LR. I'll have to update some tabulations I worked on a few years ago to see if there are any trends happening that can skew the point aggregation. My general take is 2nd and 3rd worse will not be acceptable; we should be close to the top of the bottom 3rd or at the bottom of the middle 3rd in the league--in that area. I'd say 77-83 points should eb a good target UNLESS the Central is 2015 tough--like Avs at the bottom of the central with 90 points. That would skew the results. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 10, 2024 12:13:21 GMT -6
Wasn’t last year the worst they’ve ever had? So that is why I see a massive improvement. Not because I wanna sound like a homer. But it’s actually hard to be that bad. And the Hawks weren’t even the worst! There’s always surprises each year. I believe the Blues, Wild , Hawks, Yotes all miss the playoffs. Dallas, Colorado, Jets, Nashville all get in. But I feel the Jets could take a step back this year. But, the Hawks will be the only team with mass improvement!!! Hawks finished 25 pts. less than the Yotes last year. Even if the Hawks improve 5-8 wins, they still be in the division cellar. I don’t see this roster as anywhere near last years. It was dominantly an AHL team. We know all the suspects from last year. And it seemed Bedard kept the team competitive. So, Id have to think the team is somewhere in the 13-15 wins better category. Last year was by design. Then injuries took over. I don’t think that’ll be a problem this year!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 10, 2024 12:53:19 GMT -6
Wasn’t last year the worst they’ve ever had? So that is why I see a massive improvement. Not because I wanna sound like a homer. But it’s actually hard to be that bad. And the Hawks weren’t even the worst! There’s always surprises each year. I believe the Blues, Wild , Hawks, Yotes all miss the playoffs. Dallas, Colorado, Jets, Nashville all get in. But I feel the Jets could take a step back this year. But, the Hawks will be the only team with mass improvement!!! Hawks finished 25 pts. less than the Yotes last year. Even if the Hawks improve 5-8 wins, they still be in the division cellar. they had an article on the Athletic today about how much the 'hawks might improve. The Model shows a big improvement from last year, but still a likely bottom five finish (cuz last year was so bad)... edit: now a different article, using the same Dom model, has the Blackhawks as the most improved team so far this offseason. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jul 10, 2024 13:48:58 GMT -6
10th worst was NJ with 81. Buffalo was 11th worst at 84 points. So that’s right on pare with 35+ wins. However, they still gotta go out and do it. Coaches should be on notice too. I get it, they’re in the middle of a rebuild, but terrible results cannot be tolerated any more!!! I agree on the coaches. If we can jettison Yawney and Savard, we should be able to jettison LR. I'll have to update some tabulations I worked on a few years ago to see if there are any trends happening that can skew the point aggregation. My general take is 2nd and 3rd worse will not be acceptable; we should be close to the top of the bottom 3rd or at the bottom of the middle 3rd in the league--in that area. I'd say 77-83 points should eb a good target UNLESS the Central is 2015 tough--like Avs at the bottom of the central with 90 points. That would skew the results. I see that there are maybe four tier 1 teams in Western Conference, Dallas, Colorado, Vancouver, and Edmonton; and then there's more or less parity. With Nazar, Dach, Slaggert, and even Gutman in the minors, the Hawks should be able to withstand an injury or two. They won't end up with Blackwell and Anderson playing on the top line. |
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Post by Nikos on Jul 10, 2024 14:47:21 GMT -6
I agree on the coaches. If we can jettison Yawney and Savard, we should be able to jettison LR. I'll have to update some tabulations I worked on a few years ago to see if there are any trends happening that can skew the point aggregation. My general take is 2nd and 3rd worse will not be acceptable; we should be close to the top of the bottom 3rd or at the bottom of the middle 3rd in the league--in that area. I'd say 77-83 points should eb a good target UNLESS the Central is 2015 tough--like Avs at the bottom of the central with 90 points. That would skew the results. I see that there are maybe four tier 1 teams in Western Conference, Dallas, Colorado, Vancouver, and Edmonton; and then there's more or less parity. With Nazar, Dach, Slaggert, and even Gutman in the minors, the Hawks should be able to withstand an injury or two. They won't end up with Blackwell and Anderson playing on the top line. I believe Nashville might be in the top tier now or banging on the door, they played well versus Vancouver in playoffs and by most so-called experts had an excellent free agent signing class. I do agree the depth should be much better when an injury occurs. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Jul 10, 2024 14:49:43 GMT -6
I see that there are maybe four tier 1 teams in Western Conference, Dallas, Colorado, Vancouver, and Edmonton; and then there's more or less parity. With Nazar, Dach, Slaggert, and even Gutman in the minors, the Hawks should be able to withstand an injury or two. They won't end up with Blackwell and Anderson playing on the top line. I believe Nashville might be in the top tier now or banging on the door, they played well versus Vancouver in playoffs and by most so-called experts had an excellent free agent signing class. I do agree the depth should be much better when an injury occurs. Good point! They may, in fact, replace Dallas as on of the top tier teams. I have some doubts about Dallas. It may be just Vancouver, Edmonton, and Nashville -- then it all flattens out. |
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Post by Nikos on Jul 10, 2024 14:58:53 GMT -6
I believe Nashville might be in the top tier now or banging on the door, they played well versus Vancouver in playoffs and by most so-called experts had an excellent free agent signing class. I do agree the depth should be much better when an injury occurs. Good point! They may, in fact, replace Dallas as on of the top tier teams. I have some doubts about Dallas. It may be just Vancouver, Edmonton, and Nashville -- then it all flattens out. I think Utah will be better too, not saying playoffs but with the news owners there and the buzz with a new market could surprise. Hawks should finish better than the Ducks and Sharks, I know that is not saying much, still even with improvements made you still looking at 5-10 pick in 1st round with a chance be closer to 10 if all goes right. From a power ranking starting at bottom, I have the Sharks, Ducks, Columbus, Montreal and then the Hawks anywhere from 5-10. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 10, 2024 15:09:58 GMT -6
I have this feeling that Bedard will tear it up this year. He’s very good. And you just can’t go off of last years stats for him and think he’ll get maybe 10-15 more points. He was learning his way the first half. He started to catch stride then got better injured. Came back and averaged over a point a game in the last stretch. He was unreal.
Now he’s a year older and wiser to the league. He also had next to nothing to play with. I feel he’ll be in the 85-95 point range. He’s that good. And if he gets that. Gotta think someone else is riding shotgun in the points dept. Which makes the team deeper!!!
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