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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 2, 2024 11:40:54 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Oct 2, 2024 11:49:19 GMT -6
Just because they have guaranteed contracts. Can’t allow that shitty play. I hope they waive the both of them and leave them both in Rockford for the year!!!
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Post by hsbob on Oct 2, 2024 11:50:22 GMT -6
I thought KK played well enough last year @19 to at least earn the chance to play himself off the roster if he got sent down,but the young,rebuilding team once again finds itself with a veteran 'log-jam' on defense. Keep Jones and Murphy,add Brodie and Martenez and Vlasic's obvious......that leaves ONE spot to assess and develop a handful of young D-men who desperately need further assessment and development.
There are things a young D-man can only learn in the NHL and I looked forward to how KK would progress in his 2nd year but I can't watch the games so why bother I guess.
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Post by Nikos on Oct 2, 2024 12:38:40 GMT -6
The newest lead story on the Rockford website is "Crevier, Korchinski, and Nazar Assigned to Rockford." icehogs.com/Korchinskis two turnovers against Minnesota that resulted in goals against didn't help. It's nice though that management are doing what they say. No free rides and guys will have to earn a spot. I hope KK is used in all situations, including #1 PP. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 2, 2024 12:42:00 GMT -6
Korchinskis two turnovers against Minnesota that resulted in goals against didn't help. It's nice though that management are doing what they say. No free rides and guys will have to earn a spot. I hope KK is used in all situations, including #1 PP. I'm sure he'll be on the #1 PP and used in all situations. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 2, 2024 13:34:49 GMT -6
Just because they have guaranteed contracts. Can’t allow that shitty play. I hope they waive the both of them and leave them both in Rockford for the year!!! Big T what happened to this team is gonna fight for a wild card spot?! |
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Post by BigT on Oct 2, 2024 13:47:35 GMT -6
Just because they have guaranteed contracts. Can’t allow that shitty play. I hope they waive the both of them and leave them both in Rockford for the year!!! Big T what happened to this team is gonna fight for a wild card spot?! They should. And the more than likely will. I’m pretty disappointed in ALL the youth so far. However. I’m starting to think ALL the kids were going through the motions as there really weren’t any spots on this team for them to fight for. I think KD screwed up terribly. There’s nothing to fight for. And it’s probably depressing knowing you’re more than likely going down. I think it would have been much more open about his plans. Just tell the kids you’re all going to Rockford. Some of you for a bit, some of you for the year or even longer. Whatever it takes!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 2, 2024 14:26:59 GMT -6
I thought KK played well enough last year @19 to at least earn the chance to play himself off the roster if he got sent down,but the young,rebuilding team once again finds itself with a veteran 'log-jam' on defense. Keep Jones and Murphy,add Brodie and Martenez and Vlasic's obvious......that leaves ONE spot to assess and develop a handful of young D-men who desperately need further assessment and development. There are things a young D-man can only learn in the NHL and I looked forward to how KK would progress in his 2nd year but I can't watch the games so why bother I guess. I think the young dmen are better served spending time playing bigger minutes in Rockford right now, personally. after Vlasic looked so much better last season after a year in the Rock, it was a foregone conclusion that KK was destined to end up there for most of this season, imo. |
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Post by tincup on Oct 2, 2024 17:07:43 GMT -6
Not surprising who's on the outs... this is awful close to the final roster...
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Post by hsbob on Oct 2, 2024 17:16:19 GMT -6
I thought KK played well enough last year @19 to at least earn the chance to play himself off the roster if he got sent down,but the young,rebuilding team once again finds itself with a veteran 'log-jam' on defense. Keep Jones and Murphy,add Brodie and Martenez and Vlasic's obvious......that leaves ONE spot to assess and develop a handful of young D-men who desperately need further assessment and development. There are things a young D-man can only learn in the NHL and I looked forward to how KK would progress in his 2nd year but I can't watch the games so why bother I guess. I think the young dmen are better served spending time playing bigger minutes in Rockford right now, personally. after Vlasic looked so much better last season after a year in the Rock, it was a foregone conclusion that KK was destined to end up there for most of this season, imo. I thought he acquitted himself pretty well in 76 rookie games averaging 19:37 of TOI with less than stellar partners to not even get a chance this year. If he was a trainwreck last year or too small to handle the rigors of the league,I'd understand the demotion,but this isn't the case IMO.......and it IS a demotion after a full rookie season. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 2, 2024 18:05:08 GMT -6
I think the young dmen are better served spending time playing bigger minutes in Rockford right now, personally. after Vlasic looked so much better last season after a year in the Rock, it was a foregone conclusion that KK was destined to end up there for most of this season, imo. I thought he acquitted himself pretty well in 76 rookie games averaging 19:37 of TOI with less than stellar partners to not even get a chance this year. If he was a trainwreck last year or too small to handle the rigors of the league,I'd understand the demotion,but this isn't the case IMO.......and it IS a demotion after a full rookie season. he was just ok, and that is at best. he was fairly close to being a train wreck in his own end. I think playing top pair/pp1 for a good long while in Rockford (with the added bonus that he will be playing with, hopefully, a bunch of guys he will be on the ice with for the next decade or so in Chicago) will do him a lot of good. I didn't hate him at all last season, he played hard and is still learning, but a demotion with the understanding that it will make him better in the long run should be looked at as a positive, imo. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 2, 2024 18:32:09 GMT -6
i read the coach's quote but in my mind i think "blah blah blah".
same old quotes about reichel time and time again.
anyways...i know it doesn't sound like it but i'm still holding hope for him.
at least if the reichel experiment fails, no one can say the team didn't give him his fair share of opportunities.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 3, 2024 8:42:11 GMT -6
I will jump in the Kor discussion. Kor looked good bad and ugly last year. If we go off of what KD said I believe Allen right now is better than Kor so Allen has earned spot Kor has not as far as Issac think we can all agree if Issac is the #7 Dman we dont want Kor up as a #7 Dman.We are feed the line that look at the Pickle how helpful a year in Rockford was.
I dont buy that look at Lucas. Will it be rough on a kid who played in NHL all year now to play in Rockford I say yes it will. But this is the NHL not a developmental league.
Would things have worked out better if he just went back to Jrs maybe.If this team cant develop the 17th and 7th pick we are in trouble. I also think Pickle would have been fine had he played all year with the hawks instead of the Rock. There is something to be said to keeping away from this shit show but right now this is an old ass team except for 2 players.
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Post by hsbob on Oct 3, 2024 9:15:44 GMT -6
I thought he acquitted himself pretty well in 76 rookie games averaging 19:37 of TOI with less than stellar partners to not even get a chance this year. If he was a trainwreck last year or too small to handle the rigors of the league,I'd understand the demotion,but this isn't the case IMO.......and it IS a demotion after a full rookie season. he was just ok, and that is at best. he was fairly close to being a train wreck in his own end. I think playing top pair/pp1 for a good long while in Rockford (with the added bonus that he will be playing with, hopefully, a bunch of guys he will be on the ice with for the next decade or so in Chicago) will do him a lot of good. I didn't hate him at all last season, he played hard and is still learning, but a demotion with the understanding that it will make him better in the long run should be looked at as a positive, imo. I don't recall the kid being a healthy scratch once last year,he spent the entire season with the big club and his 19:37 of average ice-time doesn't suggest he ever got stappled to the bench either,if he was a trainwreck,why did he see so much playing time? Young D-men will make mistakes,this is how they learn and they need to make these mistakes at the big legue level. I was looking forward to seeing how the kid would progress against the same competition in his 2nd year........don't you think he would have improved with a year under his belt? I gotta believe replacing Smegma and Tinordi with Brodie and Martinez woulda offered KK a better D partner than he had most of last year and I also gotta believe the kid felt he deserved at least a chance to make the roster but as you said in another post......" it was a foregone conclusion that KK was destined to end up there for most of this season, imo". What was a 'foregone conclusion' was the fact that only one D-spot would be available to develop/assess KK,Allan,Kaiser,Phillips and Levshunov if he sticks. I think a 20yro who played an entire NHL season with big minutes without ever being sent back down or scratched figured he earned at least another shot and I bet being such an early camp-casualty was a shock to his system. I don't think a year in Rockford hurts the kid either but I'm not sure he'd agree,but another year in the 'bigs' might help him more too. Our young/rebuilding team will again be one of the oldest in the league and I'm not sure that's progress. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 3, 2024 10:35:36 GMT -6
he was just ok, and that is at best. he was fairly close to being a train wreck in his own end. I think playing top pair/pp1 for a good long while in Rockford (with the added bonus that he will be playing with, hopefully, a bunch of guys he will be on the ice with for the next decade or so in Chicago) will do him a lot of good. I didn't hate him at all last season, he played hard and is still learning, but a demotion with the understanding that it will make him better in the long run should be looked at as a positive, imo. I don't recall the kid being a healthy scratch once last year,he spent the entire season with the big club and his 19:37 of average ice-time doesn't suggest he ever got stappled to the bench either,if he was a trainwreck,why did he see so much playing time? Young D-men will make mistakes,this is how they learn and they need to make these mistakes at the big legue level. I was looking forward to seeing how the kid would progress against the same competition in his 2nd year........don't you think he would have improved with a year under his belt? I gotta believe replacing Smegma and Tinordi with Brodie and Martinez woulda offered KK a better D partner than he had most of last year and I also gotta believe the kid felt he deserved at least a chance to make the roster but as you said in another post......" it was a foregone conclusion that KK was destined to end up there for most of this season, imo". What was a 'foregone conclusion' was the fact that only one D-spot would be available to develop/assess KK,Allan,Kaiser,Phillips and Levshunov if he sticks. I think a 20yro who played an entire NHL season with big minutes without ever being sent back down or scratched figured he earned at least another shot and I bet being such an early camp-casualty was a shock to his system. I don't think a year in Rockford hurts the kid either but I'm not sure he'd agree,but another year in the 'bigs' might help him more too. Our young/rebuilding team will again be one of the oldest in the league and I'm not sure that's progress. I get what you are saying and I don't disagree with the premise (he played here a year and sending him down might not help as much as it hurts his confidence). I believe that is a possibility, but if it does, it will say more the failure of the brass, imo. this should absolutely be presented as an opportunity to further his dream of being a Guy in the NHL and not just a pro hockey player. if it isn't, than those in charge have failed him. this should presented as not a failure of the player, but as another step in his development and that, once he returns to the League, he will be ready to stay there for the rest of his career. I think they gave him a "chance", which just put that much more pressure on him to be beyond great this preseason, likely not the best idea either. I think (hope) they were honest with him: "look, we know you spent all of last season here in Chicago, but we would've preferred to let you play in Rockford (as you already know) but could not. you were too good to stay in juniors though and we thought you did well last season as a 19 year old playing in the top league in the world. that being said, you know and we know that there are a lot of things you need to improve to reach you potential and we think the best place to do that this season is Rockford. spend the year there and be The Man and by this time next year we will be talking about how we get you more pp1 time. go down, work hard, and you'll be ready to take the next step next fall." the brass have to make him believe this, make him enthusiastic about this. if they can do that, it could work well. if they don't, and he sulks, well then we might have a different situation going forward. if he can't do that, I would question a little how seriously he wants to be a star at the NHL level. I can understand disappointment, but he needs to use it, not dwell on it. |
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Post by tincup on Oct 3, 2024 10:38:31 GMT -6
Untapped potential?….
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Post by vadarx on Oct 3, 2024 10:46:06 GMT -6
lack of other options? lol I don't see pp2 seeing a ton of ice this year and having a guy that might help defensively on the backend on pp2 isn't an awful idea. plus, I believe he was third on the team in pp minutes last year anyway. good for his development, I reckon. might need him in that spot from time to time in the future... |
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Post by BigT on Oct 3, 2024 14:54:41 GMT -6
FWIW. Luke did say that with KK last year they didn’t even have to option of sending him back to Jrs due to all the injuries. They couldn’t even scratch him. So I think maybe they’re trying to make up for lost time with KK. I’m not against it. I just think he should only be down for a while. I think spending the whole year may do more harm. If he isn’t ready by the end of the year. There’s a lot more problems than we think. I just don’t believe a kid with a year of NHL under his belt won’t be ready in a couple months. Especially with his skating and skill set.
Like the Hawks brass fetish with skating. I hope they don’t have a fetish with making every kid play in Rockford. I’m ok with just about every kid going down there, except KK. I think they could a put him on the 3rd pair and made him earn everything. Just his body language the other night. He looked like he was doomed. I’m not say just give him a spot. But why do it last year? We’ll see how this pans out. I’m ok with him there. Just not the whole year!!!
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 3, 2024 18:28:33 GMT -6
lack of other options? lol I don't see pp2 seeing a ton of ice this year and having a guy that might help defensively on the backend on pp2 isn't an awful idea. plus, I believe he was third on the team in pp minutes last year anyway. good for his development, I reckon. might need him in that spot from time to time in the future... Having a D specialist on the PP might be a good thing in terms of SHGA, which was a real problem last year. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 3, 2024 18:37:58 GMT -6
FWIW. Luke did say that with KK last year they didn’t even have to option of sending him back to Jrs due to all the injuries. They couldn’t even scratch him. So I think maybe they’re trying to make up for lost time with KK. I’m not against it. I just think he should only be down for a while. I think spending the whole year may do more harm. If he isn’t ready by the end of the year. There’s a lot more problems than we think. I just don’t believe a kid with a year of NHL under his belt won’t be ready in a couple months. Especially with his skating and skill set. Like the Hawks brass fetish with skating. I hope they don’t have a fetish with making every kid play in Rockford. I’m ok with just about every kid going down there, except KK. I think they could a put him on the 3rd pair and made him earn everything. Just his body language the other night. He looked like he was doomed. I’m not say just give him a spot. But why do it last year? We’ll see how this pans out. I’m ok with him there. Just not the whole year!!! Does everyone understand how messed up this is to happen let alone say in the press!! |
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Post by BigT on Oct 3, 2024 18:41:06 GMT -6
FWIW. Luke did say that with KK last year they didn’t even have to option of sending him back to Jrs due to all the injuries. They couldn’t even scratch him. So I think maybe they’re trying to make up for lost time with KK. I’m not against it. I just think he should only be down for a while. I think spending the whole year may do more harm. If he isn’t ready by the end of the year. There’s a lot more problems than we think. I just don’t believe a kid with a year of NHL under his belt won’t be ready in a couple months. Especially with his skating and skill set. Like the Hawks brass fetish with skating. I hope they don’t have a fetish with making every kid play in Rockford. I’m ok with just about every kid going down there, except KK. I think they could a put him on the 3rd pair and made him earn everything. Just his body language the other night. He looked like he was doomed. I’m not say just give him a spot. But why do it last year? We’ll see how this pans out. I’m ok with him there. Just not the whole year!!! Does everyone understand how messed up this is to happen let alone say in the press!! If you listen to the first 5 mins. I believe Luke explains this. JayZ has clips from Luke’s presser!!! podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/chgo-chicago-blackhawks-podcast/id1080477414?i=1000671598004Edit: It’s around the 4:30 mark where he gets into the specifics of last year. But the first 5 mins is about Luke talking about Nazar and mostly Korch!!! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 3, 2024 18:53:06 GMT -6
Huge fail there is no need to say if we could have sent you to JRs we would have, but since the team was terribly put together we could not. This is a NHL team good grief. |
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Post by mvr on Oct 4, 2024 5:55:29 GMT -6
Of course there were other options - waivers, trades, etc.
Davidson and Richardson made a huge mistake keeping Korchinski with the big club. Many of us criticized the decision at the time.
Hopefully the kid perseveres and grows this year. This is not the way to develop prospects.
Similarly, Allan needs at least another full year in Rockford. There is no need for him to be in Chicago right now. If the Hawks need a depth defenceman, Davidon should add one in the next few days via the waiver wire.
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Post by hsbob on Oct 4, 2024 7:47:49 GMT -6
Huge fail there is no need to say if we could have sent you to JRs we would have, but since the team was terribly put together we could not. This is a NHL team good grief. If that was the case,why did KK see the 4th highest TOI on the team,3rd among D-men? He also had more starts than Bedard or Jones and as many as Vlasic. If this young player isn't ready after an entire NHL season,then why was he utilized so heavily last year instead of being sheltered? Couldn't this young player have improved with a year under his belt,better quality partners and less of a work-load? |
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Post by mvr on Oct 4, 2024 8:07:11 GMT -6
Likely part of what went into the decision to keep Korchinski with the big club last year was to help Bedard adjust to the NHL.
There is a big difference between an 18-year-old kid and veterans of 23 or older. Young adults mature a great deal both physically but also emotionally in those few short years. Bedard knew few players when he came here. He and Korchinski were basically on their own. You do not want your star player to feel socially isolated or lonely.
Now that Bedard has been in Chicago for a full year, this potentially destructive issue is less problematic. Bedard likely is okay; he has met some friends by now if not within the organization then outside.
Korchinski is best served learning the pro game in the AHL.
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Post by BigT on Oct 4, 2024 15:00:14 GMT -6
Likely part of what went into the decision to keep Korchinski with the big club last year was to help Bedard adjust to the NHL. There is a big difference between an 18-year-old kid and veterans of 23 or older. Young adults mature a great deal both physically but also emotionally in those few short years. Bedard knew few players when he came here. He and Korchinski were basically on their own. You do not want your star player to feel socially isolated or lonely. Now that Bedard has been in Chicago for a full year, this potentially destructive issue is less problematic. Bedard likely is okay; he has met some friends by now if not within the organization then outside. Korchinski is best served learning the pro game in the AHL. I do agree he’s better off in the AHL. But why not just send him back to Jrs after his father died? That would have been better for him to be closer to home. Ask his Jr team to not trade him as he’s been through the ringer. Let him finish out and let him start this year in the AHL. I think that would have been a much better plan. Now the kid probably feels like he failed. Like, how could he survive a year at 19 in the national and not at 20? It’s a good way to ruin kids. Hopefully he has a solid year in the jungle and rebounds nicely. Or gets called up halfway through and never looks back!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 4, 2024 17:43:06 GMT -6
not sure if anything has been said about kaiser recently but this helps lessen the mystery. i guess one could assume it was an illness all along?
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Post by BigT on Oct 5, 2024 8:22:31 GMT -6
not sure if anything has been said about kaiser recently but this helps lessen the mystery. i guess one could assume it was an illness all along? Luke said that Kaiser won’t be playing as he is gonna have a few days in the gym. I hope Kaiser comes out strong. Cuz he was basically given a spot. I’d rather EDM or Allan get a shot at this point!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 5, 2024 8:43:26 GMT -6
Likely part of what went into the decision to keep Korchinski with the big club last year was to help Bedard adjust to the NHL. There is a big difference between an 18-year-old kid and veterans of 23 or older. Young adults mature a great deal both physically but also emotionally in those few short years. Bedard knew few players when he came here. He and Korchinski were basically on their own. You do not want your star player to feel socially isolated or lonely. Now that Bedard has been in Chicago for a full year, this potentially destructive issue is less problematic. Bedard likely is okay; he has met some friends by now if not within the organization then outside. Korchinski is best served learning the pro game in the AHL. Your last sentence might be correct and I respect this opinion. Your point about a young teammate to help Bedard adjust might be a factor as was his AHL/Jr's vs NHL situation last year,but my questions still remain. If he was with the big club only because he had to be or to help another young player adjust,why did he see the 3rd most starts and the 4th highest TOI on the team? Thanks a lot kid but Connor doesn't need your companionship anymore so adios? You were only here last year because we had nowhere else to send ya? The kid'll probably accept his reassignment and try to make the most of it but not even having a legit chance to make the roster this year could linger too. To those who followed closer than me last year,would a 2nd consecutive NHL season have been a 'trainwreck' or 'potentially destructive' to the kid's development? Were his mistakes those of the average rookie D-man that become fewer with experience? Over-classed on a nightly basis? Too small to handle the league? If he was here for factors other than his play and if the answer to any of my other questions is yes..........then why in the hell was he utilized so heavily? |
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Post by BigT on Oct 5, 2024 8:59:32 GMT -6
Likely part of what went into the decision to keep Korchinski with the big club last year was to help Bedard adjust to the NHL. There is a big difference between an 18-year-old kid and veterans of 23 or older. Young adults mature a great deal both physically but also emotionally in those few short years. Bedard knew few players when he came here. He and Korchinski were basically on their own. You do not want your star player to feel socially isolated or lonely. Now that Bedard has been in Chicago for a full year, this potentially destructive issue is less problematic. Bedard likely is okay; he has met some friends by now if not within the organization then outside. Korchinski is best served learning the pro game in the AHL. Your last sentence might be correct and I respect this opinion. Your point about a young teammate to help Bedard adjust might be a factor as was his AHL/Jr's vs NHL situation last year,but my questions still remain. If he was with the big club only because he had to be or to help another young player adjust,why did he see the 3rd most starts and the 4th highest TOI on the team? Thanks a lot kid but Connor doesn't need your companionship anymore so adios? You were only here last year because we had nowhere else to send ya? The kid'll probably accept his reassignment and try to make the most of it but not even having a legit chance to make the roster this year could linger too. To those who followed closer than me last year,would a 2nd consecutive NHL season have been a 'trainwreck' or 'potentially destructive' to the kid's development? Were his mistakes those of the average rookie D-man that become fewer with experience? Over-classed on a nightly basis? Too small to handle the league? If he was here for factors other than his play and if the answer to any of my other questions is yes..........then why in the hell was he utilized so heavily? I thought he was ok last year. But I feel that with all the signings, there really wasn’t much competition for roster spots. The kid gripped his stick too tight and it looked like his dream died. I feel for him. Even though it probably is best for him to go to the AHL, I hope they worded it really well with him. He didn’t ask to be on the team. They placed him on the team. Said he earned it. And now it sounds like they’re trashing him. It’s like the game plan was to put him in the farm all along. If this kid doesn’t pan out. You can clearly see the turning point and where they fucked up. Even the Oilers sent Draisaitl back to Jrs and he played 37 games. He came back the next year and got 19 goals and over 50 points. They coulda done the same with KK last year. Send him back after his dad died. Management could a went to his dads funeral. Stayed there for a few days and pull him aside and tell him it’s best to go back to Jrs. Then there wouldn’t be an expectation of making the team this year. And tell him go to Rockford and wow us. I think it would have been easier on him!!! |
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